₦airaland Forum

RSA:
Morpheus,I must commend you on you're knowledge on South Africa,you are right about what you called " downright retarded lazy, entitlement driven coloreds, waiting for free housing, xenophobic inkatha Freedom party Zulu youths, Manenburg gang related crack addicted drugees".And you also right in pointing out that you find this type almost in every society around the world.The difference is we keep our own while you export yours.Yes criminals in south africa are having a nice time since the laws of this country are very soft on them,whereas in your country they wont even have the right for a lawyer or court,the station captain might decide to send them to death instead of arresting them,yes it is cruel and unjust but it is working for you,that is why when your criminals comes here they excel because our laws cater for everyone.

Let me tell you that we are Africans,wether its only us or there are other africans somewhere else,we are proud of our africanese,we don't have to appreciate you to be africans,it is who we believe we are,not what you or anyone think we are.

I don't need any commendation on knowledge of SA. I simply do my investigations and get my facts right before coming on any forum to disguss issues.

My biggest issue with SA's is that of my many experiencies with other Africans Ya'll have the strangest attitude towards other Africans especially Nigerians.

Even though other Africans might despise the criminal elements of Nigerian society and the aggressive nature of its people, they do have a sense of comradory and recognise the elements that create these sorts of people because we as a continent understand our history and how this has affected the continents people as a whole. tell your country people to reducate themselves

You guys attitude's towards the rest of Africa is very similar to that of caribbeans and African Americans in diaspora in the sense that you do not recognise any similarities or connections to anyone outside of your country . This I believe has been caused by deliberate isolation and miseducation of your peoples.

While I recognise that is unfortunate that the element of Nigerinas you have encountered are not of the best brand and therefore has shaped your overall view of Nigerians as a whole, it is not an excuse on your part or part of your country men to advocate murder and violence against any human beings.

There are far more poorer countries than yours that have received an influx of refugees and migrants thru out the continent and have not resorted to  butchering, exploitation or xenophobic attacks.

@ RSA

most of us have red memoirs and autobiographies of Mr. mandela and other great leadersin Africa se we don't need excerps posted to understand any point you are trying to make by pasting all that long story.

It seems most of you SA's think the only Africans that exist are you. You need to stop using that word "Africa' cause Like I said you don't know what it means to be one any longer.

LONG LIVE THE TRUE AFRICANS

RSA:
You mean this generation that is claiming what is rightfully theirs in the right way?
meaning claiming our economy by going to school and getting the best possible qualifications and expertisees that will enable one to have their share of the pie?,
where we send our young farmers to agricultural schools and be mentored by experienced white farmenrs to be equiped with the best possible knowledge to be able to feed our society and the world,so that when our goverment claim back the land by bying it from this white farmers we give it to competend black ones.
You mean allowing whites who have skills,knowledge and most importantly who have contacts with their brothers in europe and america to control our economy?
My friends all this had been well planned not for this generation but for my kids,who will grow in the enviroment where they'll have a platform to excel,Mandela's was about a bigger picture,meaning he stood for commonsence,we needed whites to continue growing our economy,for skills transfer,for investment from international community.We are not a blacks only country,we've never been one and will never be one,we are the rainbow nation,a succesful african nation.
We fought for equal right,not black domination.

Mandela when sentence to life imprisonment he said"During my lifetime I have dedicated myself to this struggle of the African people. I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die"

There must be two classes of SA citizens you are speaking of,The ones I recognise are the downright retarded lazy, entitlement driven coloreds, waiting for free housing, xenophobic inkatha Freedom party Zulu youths, Manenburg gang related crack addicted drugees and then there are the ones you mention above.

Common sense would also make you realize that if such classes of citizens exist in your "Rainbow" nation then likewise a similar phenomenon would be present in most societies, including Nigeria and to condemn most Nigerians for the acts of some of them is a non sensical endeavor.

princekevo:
For this reasons shall the Black nations(African Nations) remains backward, Jst glancing through this thread gives me the insight on why we are still backward and would remain backward, We are being rejected by other races, but still among us we dont love ourselves, I wonder how some fools will jst come up and put up loads of rubbish on here and people are debating on it, Is it the right time for africans to debate on who is the best while we all suffer the same symdrome Corruptions, Our people are dying of hunger,starvation and aids, Families cant afford to send their children to school, no good medical health care, Is it not amazing that people who witness all these around them still come up to celebrate their foolishness on here, Its time for us to wake up from all these madness and be wise,

As much as your post makes sense, it also makes sense to ward off imbeciles whose only intentions are to come to this forums spewing nonsensical facts and assumptions

If you won't do it I will and you will thank me for it later.

cre8tivity:
you do not have to deliver an ignorant message just because a ghanaian barber has delivered one. two wrongs don't make a right.
i will ask you this question one more time:
when are you going to start leading?

As soon as  SA's realize that illegal immigrants are not their problem and hatred for "presumed" Nigerian traits are misunderstood, I will be the first one to lead your course of "two wrongs don't make a right."

However until then, which I don't think is any time soon, The "battle" continues.

By the way, to be fair in your world, you should ask the "Bantu RSA" to lead the course as well , how different is he from me as far as common sense is concerned.

cre8tivity:
ok, mr messenger. for you to be relating such a stupid and ignorant message, it means you must have agreed with it to a certain point.
don't you know that it takes a clever man to be able to clearly identify good messages among other stupid messages? when are you going to start leading?

I advise you also read the stupid message by the Ghanaian barber to the South African "RSA" and ask the same question of the stupid and ignorant message as well, it means the SA who agreed with that message is as stupid as the one who gave it and if thats the case then I reply a stupid message to a stupid individual  that would make me much less ignorant than the stupid individual who accepted the stupid message he recieved from the stupid barber.

Catch my drift or is the message too stupid for you to comprehend

cre8tivity:
@ honey morpheus24: you should try this book for a start: to be conscious that you are ignorant is a great step to knowledge by benjamin disraeli, Sybil, 1845.

I can see that "akata" issue touched a nerve. Mmmmmm . I wonder

cre8tivity:
i hate to tell you that those kenyans might be talking about you. if you have mirror at home, please make use of it more.
you're criticizing others for bashing your people, but at the same time you freely took out time to also bash other people.
and it's too sad that you can not see it.
i think you're one of the reasons why south africans hate nigerians. big hypocrate.
you can not disrespect and then expect to be respected, it just doesn't what well that way.

I really think that upper elevation air you are breathing in Jos is giving you nausea

If you read that post again, you will see that it is the Kenyan who said those things and I am simply relaying the message back to RSA so if you have a gripe I can give you their phone numbers and you can call them up and let them know how you feel.

cre8tivity:
my dear morpheus24, you need to return and further explain this statement of yours: i will be waiting.

Eh! wetin consine you for that matter?

RSA:
I just had a hair cut an hour ago at this Ghananian hair salon,I asked Kwame what does he think about nigerians,he just laugh and said those people are hustlers,they will do anything to get money even crime and most of them don't even go to school.
He told me that Nigerians in Nigeria even have their own currency not naira,like they created their own money they use among themself.

Morpheus to be honest with you,I wsh Nigeria was succesfull,I wish Nigerians had ghana's heart and humility,I wish Nigerians could for a second start listen to other,I wish they could stop being arrogant since there is nothing to boast about.Wish they could all grow up.

I was just chatting with a couple of kenyan friends of mine and we were talking about SA's in general. They said you guys are one of the most hostile individuals they have ever met, ignorant of things around you, ignorant of other Africans and living your lives like "akata's" without any morals, having illicit sex and having babies all around the places.

I honestly pray for ya'll to wake up and see what is going on around you. Nigerians are not your enemies and will never be, we don't have the time. You are living behind enemy lines and don't even know it. Feel very sorry for you and your stadiums. You contrlo nothing, simple illusions manifested to control you asses.

As for your barber, tell him the story of the three Africans stranded on an island in my earlier post and watch his reaction.
You will get all your answers from there.

MandingoII:
Then you LOVE African Americans.


Let me hear you say it.

say it Morpheus, "I love African Americans", SAY IT!

If you take a closer look you will observe that SA blacks and AA's are suffering from the same ailment. [b]POST TRAUMATIC SLAVE DISORDER [/b]and have truly lost what it means to be African or connected to that continent. All they can point to is the color of their skin as their identity.


Respect for Malcolm X and Nelson mandela

Sorry no Respect for  AA"s  and SA's of this Generation who have obviously lost their way.

LONG LIVE THE TRUE AFRICANS!

RSA:
No one is trying to divide anyone,you can't divide what has never been united.
Did you read what the poster said,people died because of inhumane way they where treated.
So you think Africa and Africans forgot what you did?

Ghana people are the most hardworking and gentle people in our continent,in my books they are the real giants of africa,I have ghananian friends in south africa and they don't hate nigerians but hate their attitude as much as south africans.

I keep telling you those Ghana boys are mumu'ing you. They know where their loyalties lie. That gentleness you see is so you will not know what they are really up too. Ghana has known Nigeria since the beginning of the independence struggle in West Africa and to think they will side your whitewashed brains on any issue is a mistake.

As for xenophobia, well obviously South Africans are the champions of that, no doubt

If you like don't take my word for it.

"The Ghana must go Saga is still being used today as some sort of excuse by Ghanaians.

FACT: The generation that did that to you is long gone and anyone below the age of 35 talking about that did not experience any of that so should have not prejudice.

Fact: SA try to use Ghana as an example of another country that hate Nigerians. "Mumu", when will you learn.

Put a South African, A Nigerian and A Ghanaian on a deserted island and tell them the only way off the island was going East or West. The Nigerian man insists on West and the SA goes East. The Ghanaian is left to choose either of  the the two directions

A million rand I can Guess which one he would pick?

RSA:
@morpheus24,at least you can blame our ills on being brainwashed,Nigerians according to you are not ,but their country is not going forward.What do you blame that on,being pure african?
The reason we are better than you is because we are not selfish,we work together as a team,there is no bigman.if you develop that,like Mbeki we take you out.It is pointless to us to build a palace next to a mudhut and you still don't have the road to go to your house.
If you went to Soweto in 1993,you don't need to be an expect to see the development of that area,which was neglected by apaartheid goverment.The is a shopping mall bigger than any mall in your whole country,the roads are all tared,the biggest and busiest public hospital in Africa is being renovated to meet world class standard.
The biggest stadium in Africa is being renovated(with a seat capacity of 97000),all this in Soweto.Sowetans are building their township into a city,highway and byways are being contracted.Im mentioning soweto as an example,we have lot going on in our country including crime and aids to say we have inferior complex because we don't respect criminals and fraudsters is far from the truth.
There are good Nigerians in South Africa but they are minority,majority are in Hillbrow,Sunnihill in Pretoria and other places around the country doing shaby businesses.
One of the fact is we don't have influx of your professionals in busineses or even in goverment sectors.There might be one or two but not at the rate that your dreaming of.

Again the yard stick you use to measure sensibility and civilized societies is the building of stadiums and roads, shopping malls and skyscrapers, which is why I say you are brainwashed.

Fact: There are about 150 millions Nigerians within and outside of Nigeria. 95% of them grind it out everyday going to school, feeding their families, flourishing and prospering in the most hostile of enviroments without resorting to stealing, fraud or any sort of dubious act, to allow you to codemn those people because you see a mere lower class 3% behaving irresponsibly in your Hillbrow's and Sunnyhills is insulting and demeaning and I will have none of that from any ignorant buffon!

In my book the resiliance and prosperitiy of a people in the face of hatred, marginilization, deception and killings  is the "yardstick" I use to judge their progress. In my view SA have lost that history and are now "Model C" citizens of your new Rainbow nation which a majority of the people are waiting for the spoils of war as compensation for Apatheid

LONG LIVE THE TRUE AFRICANS!

MandingoII:
SO WHAT!!!!

South africa got issues!!!!!

and NIGERIA IS A BIG OLE SLUM!!

If they don't want you in their country and its their country policy to BANISH you. THEN LEAVE!!!

Stop acting like Nigeria is better than South Africa, IT IS NOT!

If Nigeria was ALL THAT then why are pissed off with South Africa?

You just MAD because they don't want YOU in their country.

Stop being TRIBAL!!!!! South Africa is NOT your issue, YOUR CORRUPT GOVERNMENT IS YOUR ISSUE!

To all SA as well as MandingoII who is obviously a "mumu" African in disguise.

NIGERIANS ARE NOT YOUR ISSUE, YOUR LACK OF EDUCATION , AIDS, LAZINESS AND LACK OF CIVILIZED BEHAVIOR IS YOUR ISSUE, FACE IT!

You are just realizing this today?

Lagosboy:
If you read my comments well you would see i stated that of course one can disagree with the US of Africa but it was his reasons i commented on.

Back to you.

Arab Nationalist - Black Christians I cant see any opposing words in here.

Let me tell you i am not a fan of Ghaddaffi neither am i in support of the US of Africa like he wants it. My problem with you guys is must you see every single issue from a religious bias?

Cant a simple foreign affairs thread be debated and analysed without your religious toxic. Since when has arab nationalism has anything to do wth religion that Ghaddaffi would never like black christians. Are there not Arab christians?

This thread should not be derailed with religious sentiments and lets analyse ad discuss with intellect please!!!

My guy stop burying your head in the sand and wake up.If Ghaddafi had any senses at all he would understand the conmplexity and fairly young democratic age of several African countries.

To advocate for a United states of Africa at this early stage of African democracy goes to show how detached Ghadaffi is from African affairs and how ludacris the idea is. If simpletons like myself can make such clear cut observations then it should be easy for one to be able to sniff out an alterior motive by tracking this man's past political agendas.

I don't think "Arabization" is a far fetched concept in this case.

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Kill! Kill ! Kill the Infidel

RichyBlacK:
I've always found "the Colonel" to be a charismatic fellow, and on this idea of a United States of Africa, I support him 100%.

Africa's disunity, a recursive reality down into her innermost enclaves, is the biggest impediment to her growth and success.

So he can Arabize our peoples. Please don't you think english and French are already hard enough to be speaking left and right.

Can't take that arabic gibberish too!

Let the Africans concentrate on national and regional blocks first before talking about United states of Africa. We are not there yet.

RSA:
You are talking crap you don't know shit about south africa,education is by far the most important thing for this goverment and it is free,it is in our constitution that every child have a right to education,so the illitiracy shit is a myth,even the adult have special educational programmes they attend after work.All students pass their final school exams with university entrance marks are guranteed a goverment bursary to study at home or abroad.

Yes HIV is a problem,yes crime is a problem,and we are working on finding the solution,and I know we will.
White will never leave south africa it is thier home and they are our brothers,we made peace with them and are moving forward.They are better and closer brothers than Nigerians,I will rather die for a white south african than Nigerian.
Whatever you guys did for Mbeki and his friend don't concern us,during aapartheid days I for one never recieved a food parcel from Nigeria(beside why would you send food to us while your people where starving?it beat me.)

We all know that Nigerians feels like Jamaicans,ghananians,african americans,kenyans are jealous of them so south africa with all her continuing successes is not exempt.
Come to South Africa if you want to see how organised we are as a nation.Stop coming up with stories that will make you feel better about being in that banana federation.Get a freaking life.

Brainwahsed slowpoke. You would die for them but in a nisntant they would offer you as a lamb to the slaughter.


Long live the true Africans

Down with the Afrikaaners and their "House negro" compatriots