₦airaland Forum

RSA:
Yes we did,and we are continuing building and maintaining our cities

Honestly speaking now I've realised that South Africans are the only Africans who do what they preach,we work and yet we are called lazy by people who can't make any difference in their own country.
All our cities,roads,rails,airport and every thing beautiful in my country was and is build by us,blacks no labour forces where imported.Did you know that even in aapartheid blacks where paying even more taxes than whites?which means we did not only physically build our country's infrustructures but we paid for it.

Bro, Please accept reality. Every capitalist society needs a labour/slave class to sustain itslef. Which is why the first settlers in the cape (Van reibeck) started importing slaves into the cape from malay,mozambique,india and as far as Malawi. They started the construction of buildings, roads, farm labour and so on till it was swarped for labour from local surrounding ethnic groups.

Yes you built it but You did not control it. There is a difference. I don't want to scartch up old apartheid wounds cause I understand it sensitive nature but lets call a spade a spade. We can keep going on about whose cities are better Nigeria of SA but the reality is it is all relative.

Angelheart:
Come to SA, we have Durban, PE, Cape Town, Pretoria, Rustenburg (Sun City), Entertainment galore!!

Na ya peopel build am. Even look at all the names of the places!

Angelheart:
Malaika and RSA, leave these haters a beg. Most of these Naijas in the forum are plain stupid. They don't know how to argue or praise. Everytime SA is mentioned, they will counter-act by talking about AIDS and crime. Ba tlohele. Rena re ja JOY to the core. Just by seeing these Durbs pics, they become jealous and envious. Monna, kere I went to Lagos and man was I SHOKED!!! Roads have potholes all over, hills in the middle of the road, the buildings are dirty and mouldy. You can even count the number of traffic lights they have. The beach is downright dirty! Ashewo don finnish! Their only pride ke VI and Lekki. Moreover ABUJA!! Yet they have the liver to call themselves thh 'GIANT of AFRICA). They will talk about Ikeja, Festac town, etc but shit, that place is ugly.

Come to SA, we have Durban, PE, Cape Town, Pretoria, Rustenburg (Sun City), Entertainment galore!!

I keep suspecting this girl is married to a Naija

RSA:
Richest Countries in Africa

Rank Country GDP - per capita
1 Equatorial Guinea $ 50,200
2 Mauritius $ 13,500
3 South Africa $ 13,000
4 Libya $ 12,700
5 Botswana $ 11,400
6 Tunisia $ 8,600
7 Seychelles $ 7,800
8 Algeria $ 7,700
9 Namibia $ 7,400
10 Gabon $ 7,200

Source: http://www.aneki.com/africa_richest.html

I don't see Nigeria in the top ten,where is Naija?Please help!

My guy that is information that is verifiable plus you have to factor in population size. Botswana has only about 2million people. You can't compare porportionately. You understand.

RSA:
Then it means Egypt was the Giant of Africa pre 1994.Or Egypt is not African enough?

Bros no vex. Iam only telling it as it is.

Egypt considers itself African when it is convenient for them

DEPENDS ON YOUR DEFINITION OF "GIANT"

NIGERIA WAS THE THE GIANT OF AFRICA PRE 1994

TECHNICALLY SA JUST BECAME AN AFRICAN STATE IN THAT YEAR.

Gamine:
Well i was surprised Jozi won

but its all good,

So now that you know their Families

anything for us?

next time they enter Naija to perform, let me know. I'll hook u up

BIG UP To JOZI !!!

For picking up best live performers even though there were some haters out there.

By the way Bongani and Leslie are my guys. I know their family here in the US and SA

lucabrasi:
@poster
i agree with you,though I'm not too sure myself, must say I'm intrigued as that assertion sounds really plausible another example is burst blood vesel in the brain and its corellation with the belief that he/she was called from the dream cause of the symptons of sudden death

I'll keep you posted. I should e posting something quite shortly

DavidDylan:
your "question" made no sense. Evolution CANNOT account for variance in animal and human populations, adaptation however can. the question is - is adaptation and evolution the same? Flat out NO.

Is evolution a mechanism? Well you have to give concrete proof that evolution even occurs before you take that leap. Evolution remains an unproven THEORY, no one builds a house on shaky foundations.

I agree with you . . . you are a slowpoke.

At least you can read and answer questions. Now answer mazaje' s questions.

For your edification on adaptations vs evolution read the part titiled "theories" and epigenesis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptation

Horus:
The person who started this thread want to portray the Black man as inferior or want to imply that melanin is a curse.There is a lot of scientifics informations about melanin,and I don't understand why talking about melanin is considered as Afrocentrist Propaganda by some persons on this forum.Melanin is a natural chemical in the body.Black people were created Black,with melanin it is as simple as that.The Black man is Black since the begining.Melanin is Millions of years old.Some people have more Melanin than others. The amount of Melanin in a persons body determines the rate of damage the Ultra Violet Rays of the sun can cause. The higher percentage of Melanin in a person's body the less they will be affected by the Ultra Violet Rays. Melanin produces Brown to Black eyes,Skin tone and wooly kingly hair that looks like the tops of trees when flying over them. Hummm! The people who are Melanin recessive beings have a deficiency which produces Lighter skin, Lighter eyes, and blonde hair. Melanin acts as a filter to prevent damage of the delicate deeper layers of skin, by the penetration of Ultra Violet light.
That dosen't sound like a curse to be dark skinned, DO IT? Actually it sounds more like a protective gift from Mother Nature to protect you against the deadly Ultra Violet Rays of the sun.

Horus. I am the one who started this thread and reason I was inquiring was to actually aprak a debet on the question far from what you are thinking as far as inferior or superior races are concerned. I don't have that hang up and infact never did. Was just curious for tangilble knowledge to explain variatons in skin colors. If you read the beginning post you will see how I try to debunk suggestions of a bibilical curse theory.

I don't understand when you say "Black people were created black". The word created would suggest there were no prototype humans that existed before the emergence of black skin.The only way that would be possible is if Adam and eve were black.

Melanin is reponsible of the things you mention above and lack of there of also consitutes the reasons for variations in skin tone. Thats all.

DavidDylan:
you're basically repeating my questions.

1. First highlight was why i asked Mazaje a simple question . . . how do you account for the large variability in phenotype between an asian and a Kenyan even though they share 99% of their DNA?

2. I asked okija to please explain the phenomenon of evolution.

Is adaptation the same as evolution? Pay attention in biology class next time.

I agree with mazaje you are a slowpoke! Read my question again.

DavidDylan:
We've seen fossils of dinosaurs . . . what did they evolve to?

We've seen well preserved fossils of cockroaches that are millions of years old. They are identical to modern day cockroaches. So everyone else evolved and cockroaches didnt?

What about adaptations? how do you account for the variance in animal and human populations. Were they all created at the same time?

Is evolution a mechanism or no?

tpia:
the question here is how did black people become black.

can we try to stay on track if possible.

Most people are aware of the hypothesis making the rounds among Afrocentric circles, that white people originated from African albinos. That's highly questionable and controversial, although if its a response to racist conjecture about blacks being next to monkeys on the evolutionary ladder, then both extremist sides should fight it out.

I think the gene mutation that causes albinoism is also responsible for the mutation that encouraged the lack of melanin production in varying levels of skin. The issue of White people being inbred albinos is not taking into account the intermediaries inbetween black and white.

DavidDylan:
Sorry, i know you folks are too used to feeling like the smart ones . . . too bad. I will always repeat . . . with the exception of Nferyn, the rest of you are not intelligent people.

you've been reading science, why is a kangaroo diff from you? Go ahead smart mouth . . .

I still can't understand why you are waiting for him to answer your question before you answer his. Any intelligent person will simply say he doesn't have the answers or are you playing the i'll answer yours if you answer mine game.

DavidDylan:
that is English language and is of no use to us here. When next you want to join the hyperventilating throng of bible bashers, ensure you have gone to read the bible ON YOUR OWN and perfectly understand what you are about to criticize.

Here how about this one. Might be useful to you

Definition of a Smart alec:

A "smart alec" or "smart aleck" is a person regarded as obnoxiously self-assertive and an impudent person.[

DavidDylan:
which is why you shldnt appear here if you havent got all your ducks in a row.

Definition of fact:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact


Definition of Question

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Question


I hope you can tell the difference.

Bastage:
You never heard of SCUBA? Start repenting Okija_juju.

By the way, the Bible says it was a fish. Not a whale.

I think we can all assume it was a whale or do you know of any other gianormous fishes that can contain a man for that amount of time.

DavidDylan:
The worst you can do is use google to verify your claims before mentioning them as facts.

Which is the why the initial statment was phrased as question and not as fact.

Smart alick!

ow11:
OP,

Your hypothesis is plausible but I wonder where you would get 'samples' from.Africans are known to attribute anything they can't readily explain as 'supernatural'. Any proof to show that 'ogbanje' children were sufferers of sickle cell anaemia would at best be circumstantial.

I would be pleased if anyone can bring some scientific evidence to buttress your point because it is something I think biology can explain.


To the others, why do you think the OP's idea is laughable? Could you explain why you think this idea is insanely dumb or should we just continue in our usual attitude of not questioning what we do not understand? ehn . . . . graduates?

You are quite right the initial evidence will be circumstantial. however I am trying to gather further info from possible sources to corraborate. I am in the beginnigg stages of studying the subject matters concerned. My best sources at this point are books and references. I am also looking at SC symptoms and the percentages of cases between male and females to match against reports of typical characteristics of so called Ogbanjes.

I have been looking at ongoing cases of child witch cases in Akwa Ibom to correlate for possible similarities with mind sets of ehtnic groups andhow cerain situations are explaiend using superstitious beliefs and religion.

I am looking for like minded people who have thought about such possibilities to stare me in the right direction.

Thanks

morpheus24:
Isn't that the Nebuchadenezzar/ Turn into lion story?

I could a sworn I heard that story somewhere. Must hve been My sunday school Teacher when I was young.

[quote author=~Lady~ link=topic=198177.msg3114183#msg3114183 date=1227206448]Ok this one caught my attention, where do you get it that they survived only on plants?[/quote]Isn't that the Nebuchadenezzar/ Turn into lion story?

ernal:
U should pass for the Diamond award for best Comedian of the Year! _{ogbanje ko sickle cellar ni olodo}

I can see I am dealing with some really unintellectual morons who are replying my post.

maybe I should ask some of you what Sickle cell anameia is?

bolyjoe:
LOL, you must be a comedian,

And you must be a dummy not to understand the relevance unexplained diseases have had with African spiritual and religious practices.

Need I mention Albino sacrifices in east Africa for your block head!

tkb417:
Nope, since science n Biology explains everything, let him/her use his/her science to tell us how he/she has no control over his sleep and the air he breathes

Huh?

I have been doing some research on sickle cell anaemia and its dominace in West African cultures and are now going to see if there is any correlation to this disease with the so called myths of Ogbanjes in Igbo culture.

It seems to be the most plausible explanation for the occurence of Ogbanje stories in the Igbo and most likely the Yoruba culture. I will begin research with the Igbos as there is more reference to this in books such as "Things fall apart" and so on.

What I noticed was that these so called Ogbanje's were said to be mischievious beings who would be born into families and would give theris hosts a hell of time by falling sick all the time and eventually dying prematurely only to come back again in another family to do the same thing.

What do you think?

mazaje:
giving your knowledge of science and biology can you explain to us how jonah survived in the belly of a whale for 3 days?

mazaje

You are going to be waiting a long time for that one.

blackspade:
Africa is a CONTINENT, not a COUNTRY. All Americans have that habit of calling Africa a country, and not realizing that this is the most diverse continent on Earth. West, South, North, and East Africans hardly have common traits, and our cultures are so different, with Bantus having the most in common, but still we are still very different.

I don't agree with the notion that Africans don't have commont traits? Are you talking Physical, cultural or what?

girl22:
@ morpheus

black people have to call themselves african american because they do not know what part of africa they are from.
they call africa the mother country because that is the country our ancestors come from.
we could not hold on to africa tradition because the new born black babies were often separated from their africn parents so that the tradition could not be passed down. they were not allowed to play the drum or do anything pertainting to africa or they could be tortured or killed. so africans cannot practice african traditions.

Maybe they should start with understanding the history of slavery pre your ancestors getting on those ships. "If they really care to." There's inexpensive DNA testing that can pretty much track your geneaolgy to specific ethnic groups in Africa. Predominantly located in West Africa."if they really care to"

There's dozens of books out there that can help you understand more about these ethnic groups, which would in turn help to explain some of the inherent traits AA's display both phenotypical and genotypical." if you care to"

There's planes which you could get on to experience some of these cultures first hand and truly understand your origins as a people." if you care to"

I understand all the reasons for the problems AA's face as far as identity is concerned, however in this day and age there is no excuse left to use as a reason not to understand the similarities btw AA's and indigenous Africans or to begin to make your future generations have a stronger identification with their TRUE HISTORY.