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Mpele:Hehehehehehehe!!!!! last hope. Men ya'll haven't even started |
Don't worry Mpele they will release your bros back to SA fully intact with arms and legs Just Pay the DOLLARS$$$$$$$$ Sorry I mean RANDZZZZZZZZZZ!!! |
This boy keeps baiting you guys into these useless discussions that have no bearing. Stop replying the boy he is a TROLL!!!! Today he is black, tomorrow he is white, next he is colored, then brazilian, then russian. Can't you see the poor boy needs help. He doesn't know where he fits in. Give him a break. His legs that is. |
ladi02:so does Mugabe judging from what he is doing to his people, he could be the anti christ too you know |
Imagination is a scary thing. I hope when this Anti Christ comes you guys will tell me so I can send Frodo Baggins and the fellowship of the ring to Mordo to assasinate him so we can all live in peace on earth and men will rule again. Madness!!! |
If Obama is the Anti Christ, I guess the world is about to come to an end. Damn it iahd so much already I hadn't done yet, like sleep tieh Rihanna Oh Obama can't you delay your rise to powe until at least 2012 PRETTY PLEASE!!!!!!!! |
Bastage:I was refering to Davidylan in my response |
coolruler:I say hebrews were a distinct religous, ethnic and liguistic group |
Bastage:If anyone reads through my posts you will certainly notice that no where did I make a claim that hebrews or jews where black. Davidlyn simply assumed that . What I rebutted was the statement that Jews are and where always white. I used many comparisons as well as evidence of Traces of Middle eastern DNA affiliations that would argue the point that they did not originate from Europe to warrant the designation "White" as we define it in this world today. I stand by my statement that Jews did not become White until recent. |
merge:This woman you are finding my trouble oh! You will not like it oh! You want us to put a vote to it. All those who think my statment doesn't make sense vote Hillary all those who say it does. Vote Obama. Shikena. |
merge:so sorry , I will try to write in Pidgin english next time. please if someone other than Merge did not get what I was saying then let me know too. Hello anyone? |
merge:To you it doesn't but someone else will get it. |
toluxa1:Winning is not everything in my book. Its how you conduct yourself at the aftermath. It shows your true character. I believe if Obama had lost the election he wuold have bowed out graciously but for a Clinton no way. its do or Die. i am not saying it ain't admirable to fight tothe finish but when it becomes an obsession, you loose your soul in the process and to me thats a huge judge of character. |
merge:You are sulking. I seriously disagree with you. if Obama picked Clinton.it would be a loose loose situation for him cause he would be seen as succumbing to the pressures of the Clintons and not necessarily the will of the people. How can one person hold captive the fundamental american right to cast your vote for the best Candidate besides waht is the differene between Biden and Clinton in terms of experience or you want Bill to be a third wheel in the White house. The democrats have spoken. Win or loose I will forever respect Obama for not succumbing. It already shows good leadership skills. I have respected the Clintons for yeard but its time to turn the page. If she does run in 2012. i wil nto vote for her, She has lost my respect in the way she conducted herself this election. |
merge:I will not be casting my vote for Obama because of Joe Biden, What Biden offers is not a safeguard to Obama's so called inexperience but someone who will challenge his decision making process in an effort to create an atmosphere where the commander in chief will make effective decisions. Now what does Palin offer Mcain? |
If Cinton supporters (I.e obviously women) vote for Palin because she is a woman then obvious they are thinking with what is under their skirts as a matter of fact. How in the hell would you throw away your vote liek that with all the cirtical issue at hand and what direction the country should be moving. To hell with them . How much concession are they asking for. if they do vote Mcain and he wins by that particular margin then ti only confirms the fact that women are really not ready to lead this country since they are too tied to their emotions than their intellect. I would have voted for Clinton regardless of the gender because she has goo qualities of leader in experience and drive. Its better they stay home and cast no vote than vote for the opposition in spite. Thats not using your brain. |
davidylan:Yep actually compared them side by side and the results still the same. Anwar Sadat is a poor example of a typical coptic egyptian seeing that his mother was a sudanese lady. This phenomemon did not only occur with the jewish race. I gave coloreds that live in SA that one doesn't make sense to you, I gave you brazil but you ignored that one too obviously cause genetics plays no part in your equation. how a people look 1000 years ago is exactly how they will look like today even when you factor in volutanry or involuntary migration and obvious gene flow thorugh these populations yet a very high percentage of black brazilians cannot be matched eyebrow for eyebrow with a congolese African in just 400 years. For you no change. variation is random in this instance. It is not intelligent to think that you could take hank azaria,Roseane bar, Donald trump, Seinfeld and stick them in ancient egypt match for match with your coptic egyptians and think that how they looked like today was how they looked like back then and don't tell me i am using today's racial construct to figure that out. It doesn't make sense to me if it does to you. |
davidylan:your Like you said arguing with you is of no use because your definitions are not consistent with mine in regards to race. When you say middle eastern people are white or caucasian then of course my arguement with you won't make any sense. You challenged my assertion that Jews became"white" just recently by ascertaining they were always white and nothing other than that. I define white as being of European ancestry excluding the middle east and most parts of North Africa. You define white as caucasian people including arabs, semitic peoples and so in in your classification of race. I use genetic markers to prove to you that jews do not have the same genetic make up as they once did 1000- 3000 years ago which illudes to their variations but you see that as nonsensical and having no bearing on variations in their outward appearance . how do people change their genetic make up by migration. you dumb ass thats how theirgenetic makeup changes. Stick to your definition of caucasian and White. IF you don't know what I am talking about its okay because by your very acceptance of the contemporary definition of white, ancient egyptians would fall into that category as well. Read a little more on race and anthropology as well. I guess genetics are an arab propaganda as well. We can continue this thing forever if you so please. |
davidylan:I didn't ask for a history lesson. You simply offered the information assuming I ever said euroasian was a race. Didn't say that neither did I say ashkenazi's were the only group of jews in the world but made reference to them to prove your point of jews always being white, neither did I tell mention anything about arab invasions in African that spread into iberia. Please don't assume this is the first time I am hearing all this. |
davidylan:Thats how stupid you are when it comes to this subject matter,not knowing it is actually possible to do that. |
davidylan:Source' Wikipedia: Topic Israelites. you are a dummy explaining genetics to you is useless when you keep defining white in terms of skin tone. A haplogroup or clade preceeds a subclade in alpa numeric tems. The clade and subclades carry codes that detemine who our closet relatives and give us a clue to our outer appreances. Thats why when a white person has a child with a black person the child is intermediary because he inherits codes from each parent.Thats why people collect data so they can make accurate or as as accurate as possible decisions.you just don't get it. African American subclades are slightly different from West African subclades which accounts for the noticeable difference in some of them. Though they still remain predominantly black due to dominant nature of the gene as it evolved first. If not for deliberate segregation you would have seen the faces of a different set of people much like brazilians today addding to the fact it has only been less than 400years since they moved out of Africa. Maybe you want me to show it to you in pictorial form for you to get it. And please stop telling me about Kmt and black. The congolese black does not look like the Egyptian black yet you define both of them as negro/black. A sephardic jew is not white/European. An ashkenazi, russian, baltic., polish jew is. your clalim that I don't know the diffence is stupid. Again it bokd down to yoru definition of black. Thats the premise. |
davidylan:My point is to show how the so called jews you claimed are and were always white is a false statment as well by asking you to define what you mean by White. the jews do not look like how they did in ancient times by simple genetics. They didn't evolve in the sense of the word as it is used in mutation of genes. my statement is still not incorrect in saying it is concieivable to deduce that the Jews were phenotypicaly similar to the Egyptians. i provided you with genetic evidence that traces gene flow in around the levant tofurther strengthen the fact that even the definition of Egyptians as black can apply to the jews without restriction depending on your strict defintion of what that word means. Negro is not a race. black is skin color. hebrews were not white as you define jews today. If its confusing for you thats not my fault. The definitions are quite complex in this day and age. |
davidylan:[edit] Genetic evidence of common descent Main articles: Haplogroup J1 (Y-DNA) and Y-chromosomal Aaron Map showing the diversion of Y-chromosome Haplogroup IJ and its descendants. Aaron, Waterlooplein, Amsterdam.Patrilineal descent can be documented by analysis of the Y-chromosome, passed from father to son. Of the many variants, or haplogroups, of the Y-chromosome, haplogroups J1 and J2, both originating from the Middle East, are the most common among Jewish men. J2 is found in 23% of Ashkenazi Jews and 29% of Sephardi Jews. It is equally common among Muslim Kurds, Northern Iraqis, Modern Turks, Greeks, Italians, and Lebanese. J2 is thought to have originated in the Northern Levant. J1 is found in 19.0% of Ashkenazim and 11.9% of Sephardim. It is more common among Arab populations, especially Arab Bedouins. A variant of J1 and J2, called the Cohen Modal Haplotype, is found in a high proportion (about 65%) of Jewish males with the surname Kohen or its variants, less frequently among other Jews (25%) and other Middle-Eastern people (22% or less)[6]. Kohanim claim descent from Aaron, brother of Moses and the first priest of the temple. Aaron was from the house of Levi, the third son of Jacob. The Cohen Modal Haplotype is more frequent in haplogroup J1, suggesting that this variant of the Y-chromosome is the one carried by Aaron and hence Abraham and all his descendants, including Jacob and the Israelites. J1 is believed to originate from the Southern Levant (modern day Israel, Palestinian territories and Jordan; biblical Canaan) or Egypt approximately 10,000 - 15,000 years ago. [7] Biblical tradition holds that Abraham and his ancestors, the Semitic tribes, originated from Southern Arabia or East Africa (Genesis 10). The high frequency of J1 among Arabs can be seen as confirming their descent from Ishmael, son of Abraham. [8] [9] Thus, genetic evidences support a common patrilineal descent for a small portion of Jews, which probably represents descent from one of the Israelite tribe. The discovery of the Cohen Modal Haplotype confirms the Biblical and priestly claim of descent from a unique ancestor, namely Aaron, and also provides an objective test of claims of Israelite origin, as for example with the Lemba people. Note however that several Kohen families carry other Y-chromosome variants.[10] Note also that, given enough time, new mutations will blur the origin of a specific chromosome and decrease the usefulness of genetic information. Like I said you have not knowledge of genetics which is why you claim I said Jews were black people rather that "recenty became white" cause yout probably think an Arab is a caucasian. |
davidylan:Eh what whites did they intermarry with, from what era, before or after the ptolemic dynasty, during what dynasty,of course there were small incursions across the sinai but that wouldn't count for the acceptance of a would be hebrew whom everyone could identify with as such living as a prince in egypt. I never said the jews were black in your definition of the world negro. what I said is they did not become white until recently. White meaning european phenotypical traits which included lighter skin. Stop telling me about what or how negro was derived I am quite versed on that and stop trying to give me history lessons I am quite shrpon that too. I am talking about genetics and phenotypical traits when populations move out of certain regions. |
davidylan:I just did but you are too square headed to see any of it by using an allegorical bible verse to prove that because pharoah's daughter exclaimed Moses was a hebrew therefore everyone else knew he was one. If it makes sense to you. Good for you. You defeat your own arguement by mentioning copts as the last remnants of Ancient Egyptians by strenghting the point that they were indeed two distinct polulations in terms of phenotypical features between ancient egyptians and ancient hebrews and yet still support the arguement that jews were white when no white people were around those territories in thoses days. unless of course you will contend that ancient libyans wer white people in your definition of caucasian. Again it boils down to your definitiion of White which your eurocentric masters have so confused you with that you can't tell the difference between a greek and a swede. I hope you know caucasian also defines morphology and anthropology as well before you think its only skin color and therefore crosses between your lines of Race. |
davidylan:So Moses was the only White guy among black people and they made him a prince. sssssshh!!!. They were obviously color blind or too stupid to notice which is why they let a white jew sit along side pharoah and didn't notice he was hebrew, same goes for Joseph too but of course. The Jews of today look absolutely the same way they looked like during pharoahs time. Makes sense to me. You win. I concede. Genotype does not affect Phenotype in any way. I agree with that too. cause I am too stupid to know how human populations evolve. Every person with black skin is negroid. Hear yourself talk. Its cause you think Caucasians= White and you work in a lab where they mess with the human genome. Quit volunteering you ain't learning anything. |
davidylan:Which black people from Egypt are you talking about. The ones who lived there lond ago or the ones who liver there no. Come get your timelines straight here. I don't think the people there are still considered black. You just don't understand do you. Not worth arguing. |
davidylan:You don't get it. Please read up on Ashkenazi's before you make that statement of intermarriage. I am not going to start lecturing you on Y chorosome and Mithchrocondial DNA in Ashkenazi. You can wikipeida it or I'll be here all day explaining it to you. i don't know if you are aksing about acinet hebrews or modern day Jews as far as "White people" are concerned Just the statement from your professor lets me know you can't have a concrete understanding of how what DNA works. How can he make such a statment when the intepretation of the Data is what helps any sensible person make sound judgments that are factual and true. Caucasion does not denote a race either. Neither does negro. pseudo science. Therefore Black does not describe a race cause Africans are not the only people with black skin in this world. If the Jews were and have always been white and Egyptians have always been black. How in the hell did Moses pass for and Egyptian in pharoah's house without being detected. There's the concrete proof you are looking for. |
davidylan:Good point. Please somebody brush this one down if you can. |
davidylan:They didn't evolve, they simply inter-marriaged, migrated and at the same time retained their religious and cultural practices. the proof is in DNA. I'll give you an example, the colored people that live in South African today are a seperate ethnic group consists of admixtures of khosian peoples, europeans and malays. The have distinctive features that seperate them from the other african tribes that surround them. slowy but surely as they lean towards the Black side becuase of majority rule and power. There is a probability that over generations they will become more akin in phenotype to the black south africans though retaining certain distinguishable features over generations. Like wise if you swing the pendulum to the left and they stay islolated or lean to the whites,slowly but surely they would be akin to Whites though carrying distinguishable features that would no doubt seperate them from their White neighbours. It all depends. American regards euroasians as caucasians cause they are dumbassess. They also define some tribes in Ethiopia and ancient Egyptians as caucasians or caucasoid. Nothing more that misnomers. |
I think it happens when you start hearing voices and hallucinating. |
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The same morpheus who thinks euroasian = race, is it the same one who didnt know that Egypt wasnt initially arab? The same morpheus who doesnt know who the copts are and can't tell what ashkenazi jews are? The same morpheus who perhaps thinks kurds and persians are semitic?