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Goshen360: That's why Christ came young man. To set you free from the POWER OF SIN - The law. So you can be free to serve God in Spirit and in truth. The Law was in place UNTIL CHRIST SHOULD COME...AFTER Christ had come and given us the SPirit, WE NO LONGER NEED THE LAW TO GUIDE US - THE HOLY SPIRIT NOW GUIDES US.

ok that's why he came

what about his purpose?

what about that.

Goshen360: You don't have to accept my doctrine sir. We are REASONING SCRIPTURES TOGHETHER and everyone is reading. I don't teach to win argument. It means nothing to me. You teach and I test. I teach,others and you test what I teach by searching and comparing scriptures.

Now, I just taught a message that we are NOT made rightous by obeying the law of Moses and you just agreed to the and on the other hand, you turned your back and say I'm teaching wrong things. What is wrong in it when you just agreed?

Are you truly confused

Or is this all a front for something else?

Did Christ not obey the LAW?

Goshen360: Yes bro. The Law keeps in bondage and grace sets free. The law is the POWER that sin operates on\with. Take the power of sin away, then sin shall not have dominion or power over you\us or the church. Glory to God!

In other words Yashau and the apostles were in bondage

Only paul the judaIZER IS FREE

See your reasoning.

Lawlessness.

JesusisLord85: It is really worrying. Shdemidemi I think we have spoken long enough that I know what he is all about. But at least he knows what the bible says, and his contradictions are easy to spot only for those of us that know the law. But Goshen? My oh my, this guy is an entirely different animal. I once suspected they were the same person, but his ignorance of basic things quickly evaporated that

Spot on

Goshen is constantly propelled by demons on this site

Each one appealing and polishing to his vanity

Lawlessness is their Bread

flourishG: my answer is a vow is a vow n debt.if he had made a vow before coming to Christ,he bound to fulfill it. Does keeping a vow makes a man righteous before God? Remember our righteous is like a filthy rag before God.does keeping a vow makes one righteous?

Presumptuous fellow

See how you put Pauls good works aside and then the next second you are quoting him elsewhere to achieve your Lawless appetites

Who ever said the vow was before

Is act 18:18 not after his conversion

Just to give you a heads up the same Paul took the vow again within the gospels much later on A JUADIZER AS YOU PUT IT TO THE CORE.

JesusisLord85: The more you type the more worried I become:
How can anybody, given knowledge of the whole bible, conclude that Paul is trying win them from the law?
Is this not the same Paul that was "reasoning with them {the Jews} in the synagogue", trying to convince them about Christ. Not every Jew was a believer.

Lol, you think rabbi Paul would enter the synagogue, teach false doctrine and they would not have stoned him on the spot?
The reason they could not stone Jesus was because he kept the law perfectly, they tried and tried to catch him out.

Chei, the people perish for lack of knowledge.

Brother mutually exclusive just made my week I tell you

More strength brother.

JesusisLord85: The more you type the more worried I become:
How can anybody, given knowledge of the whole bible, conclude that Paul is trying win them from the law?
Is this not the same Paul that was "reasoning with them {the Jews} in the synagogue", trying to convince them about Christ. Not every Jew was a believer.

Lol, you think rabbi Paul would enter the synagogue, teach false doctrine and they would not have stoned him on the spot?
The reason they could not stone Jesus was because he kept the law perfectly, they tried and tried to catch him out.

Chei, the people perish for lack of knowledge.

Brother they prefer death.

Lawlessness is death.

flourishG: so u ignorant of dispensations of God n u trynna argue d truth? Look here,I hv read all what u talking but u saying NOTHING.Can u answer da questions on dispensations asked by shdemidemi or I show u d way out of dis topic cos dont see NOTHING u saying than insult.others trynna discuss scriptures as mature but u busy insulting.

Look at this one making demands and then you go hide in a corner and watch

Lawless that's what you are

And you shall get your reward

Pure lake of fire

I tell ya.

flourishG: i like you systematic approach with them dis folks.waiting for him to answer if he doesn't run away.

Look at this one encouraging lawlessness

flourishG: if y'all not saying keeping da law makes one righteous,what does the titke of da tread says and where does the teaching wrong that u turned it into distraction n battleground?da title says righteousness of da law n righteousness of Christ by faith in grace.do you then receive God's righteousness by keeping da law or by faith in christ as da goshen teach?

please note God is HOLY.

Righteousness is only an extension of his Holiness.

For Moses writes that the law's way of making a person right with God requires obedience to all of its commands. rom 10:5

Yashua obeyed all the commands to the end so you would be brave enough to do so yourself (carry ur cross)

That is why the pharasees could not ever accuse him of sinning john 8:34

shdemidemi: The bible says the risen Christ picked Paul up to take His message to the Gentiles, I happen to be one. If you believe Christ rose, don't you think we should follow the instructions he gives us?

If I remember correctly math 19:28 they are all equal before him none higher than the other

Being sent to preach to the gentiles does not imply conversion to the gentile way of life

I wouldn't know about that, I am no gentile unbeliever

I is a JEW.

Period.

shdemidemi: The bible says the risen Christ picked Paul up to take His message to the Gentiles, I happen to be one. If you believe Christ rose, don't you think we should follow the instructions he gives us?

What I Know is that between Yashau and paul a lot can be lost in translation.

For all purpose of daily living why not focus on the magnetism of yashua Ibn Joseph.

After all Paul himself gloried in the lord

There is no more mystery

The sermon on the mount has revealed all to the children of the kingdom

The gentiles not being able to comprehend the words as he speaks always to rally to Paul.

flourishG: da main point here is being right with God.da acts 18:18, does it say Paul doing da Jewish festival makes him righteous before God?did da verse say by keeping da festival, he was righteous with God?

Question you should be asking yourself then is...

Why would Paul keep the festival and tell others not to judaize as you put it derogatorily?

Why would Paul fulfil the highest JEWISH VOW the vow of the nazarite and tell others not to judaize as you put it derogatorily?

Why?

shdemidemi: 20 and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law,[c] that I might win those who are under the law; 21 to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God,[d] but under law toward Christ[e]), that I might win those who are without law;




The man said he wants to win those under the law. I expect you to ask yourself what he was trying to present to those under the law, could it be the trying to win them from the law to the law?

I think he wants to present a gospel aside the law to them, what do you think?

Re re wind

Who is Yashua trying to win?

What is this obsession with PAUL

Could it be the LIE?

The Lawlessness Itch?

flourishG: mosthigh,can u answer d above question ?

You ARE STILL TO COMMENT ON ACTS 18:18

Let us know if there is a handicap so we can move on

I have been answering your questions patiently.

shdemidemi: Did you read through , what do you think it's saying.

Be true to God

It is the only way to be true to yourself

And hence true to all others no matter their calling or persuations

Paul was true to the one true God and faithfull to the end.

You still have not commented on acts 18:18

I have been patient with you.

Be true to Yourself

flourishG: tell us what acts 18:18 means.

Just to add to what the brother has said

In acts 18:18 paul takes upon himself a Jewish vow

It is the vow of all vows for the jews

It is the vow of the nazaraite.

Numbers chapter 6.

shdemidemi: 19 For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more; 20 and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law,[c] that I might win those who are under the law; 21 to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God,[d] but under law toward Christ[e]), that I might win those who are without law; 22 to the weak I became as[f] weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some

Please read through what he had to say about some of the things you assume we should adhere to.

Please expansiate.

Are you saying paul was lawless like yourself

Or like one of your brothers intimated paul was a pretender probably suffering from sczhizophrenia

Yeah something like that a pretender to win souls

like the Jesuits....

you do know about the Jesuits don't you?

shdemidemi: My question is still pending @jesusislord

The roach Qodesh is dynamic

Try another approach

Try another perspective

JesusisLord85: ]

You havent read of the voluntary nazarite vow of Numbers 6?

Interestingly in Acts 18, Paul said:
" When they desired him to tarry longer time with them, he consented not; 21 but bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus. 22 And when he had landed at Cæsarea, and gone up, and saluted the church, he went down to Antioch. "

Wonder what he is doing "Judaizing", keeping the feasts of Leviticus..
You say they are "shadows", simply quoting without understanding. Well, let me tell you this. The Jews kept the day of Pentecost, it was a shadow of what was to be fulfilled a few thousand years later, 50 days after the feast of First Fruits (resurrection).

Funny how many pentecostal churches celebrate the day of Pentecost, yet one is a "Judaizer" (whatever that means) by observing all 7 feasts. Hypocrites!

Paul didnt fight Judaism, he was a Jew, don't be ridiculous. Or you think Jesus came to start a new religion? He fulfilled the Jewish prophecies. Paul was fighting those who were teaching the traditions of the elders, which were a set of laws they added onto the Law of Yahweh.

see an example:

Matthew 15: "2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. 3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6 and honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, 8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men"

Is the Torah a commandment of men, or of God? Paul fought the guys teaching the traditions of the elders. If he fought the law, would that not have made him the biggest false teacher of his time?

Lawlessness! I pray you repent of your blasphemy

The peace of the Lord be with you Brother.

Truly another Pentecost moment.

shdemidemi: Bro why don't you address that sure word of prophesy before we move to other questions.

I have been doing that all the way through this post and my song is still the same

I say thier way of life should answer your questions no matter what you quote or what paul has said

paul was a judaizer you have not addressed that yet but you keep on quoting him why?

You should address thier way of life critically and see if it matches yours

Stop quoting scipture out of context and address the real issues

Please.

shdemidemi: 3 For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles— 2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, 3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, 4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: 6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel,

Can you read the above word of God to the Gentiles. It clearly disagree with what you are saying, do you not think so?

Although God remains the same, He works in dispensations and times. If you had said what you are saying under the dispensation of the law of Moses, you would have been perfectly right bro.

So mr man what dispensation did yashua and the apostles live under if I may ask?

flourishG: Paul a judaizer? As Saul of Tartus or as an Apostle of Christ?

Act 18:18

Go and read and come back.

thank you

shdemidemi: Have you ever heard about dispensations and rightly dividing the word of God?

Wetin concern dispensation with the character of the son of God?

The red print is there for all to read

His lifestyle is detailed so all true belivers can follow

Dispensation or not nothing has changed

You gentiles will be ruled with a rod of iron

Scripture confirms this.

flourishG: Drummboy,shdemidemi n goshen, good job guys.the same way da them judaizers tried frustrate Pauline teachings,so it is till now.

Paul is now your God Abi?

See you.. even the paul you are talking about is a juadizer as you put it derogatorily Act 18:18

What about yashua? well he was a juadizer also

Lawless children of the lawless one

Exalting themselves over Eloheem.

Go figure

shdemidemi: What issues bro, you have refused to answer questions. How do we then communicate as adults, if you can prove your points with facts.

Do you believe the entire bible is the word of God?

Most certainly. But unlike you and your brethren I accept it as a whole and complete work

Being an antimonian is easy i know most especially beacause you have the majority on your side

But scripture does confirm that the majority will be destroyed.

Yashua feels the pains when people like you and goshen take the word of God apart and make a mess of it choosing some part of the WORD and Denying other parts

Just so you know Yashua taught/quoted from the book of deutronomy more than any other work of the torah

Deutronomy = Reminder of the LAW

Why are you not copying your master

Even paul whom you worship quoted the torah continuously

which one come be una own?

shdemidemi: Lets say I agree with you, Paul went on to verse 2

2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband.

What law is he talking about in the bolded?

Why are you knocking your head like this against a mountain?

If yashua obeyed the law to the letter is that not enough for you?

What more do you want.

Always quoting paul to discredit the words and works of the master

You already have your reward.

shdemidemi: May I know what role you are playing in the dynamics of things.

You speak too much like the greek

Why all the big words?

Too much turenchi.

Adress issues as they are placed befor you and stop being a runaway soilder.

shdemidemi: By who?

How many time shall I say it?

By the blaspemouse words of your mouth you are judged.

Simply put.

JesusisLord85: I even wonder why Paul is quoting Torah here, since, according to our friend, it is no longer in effect.
Law of freedom they say lol

Its a madnesss I tell you

They are fighting the holy spirit and then talking of life everlasting

Sounds like proper mind controll to me

Question is who could be controlling thier minds?

LWKM OOO

JesusisLord85: Galatians 3:15-18
15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man’s covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise."

What Paul is saying here is that no on[/b]e can take away the covenant. You cannot set aside God’s covenant and add and take away from it. The covenant of faith requires you to trust and obey God’s commandments. But the Pharisees [b]added all these commandments which changed the covenant to one which was not from God. Hence it was a different gospel to the one Paul preached.

Only one law, the commands of Yahweh. Period

Only one law brother.

shdemidemi: I asked a simple question bro... What law was Paul talking about in Romans 7:1?

You and paul ma sef na wa.

Where is yashua in you life.