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shdemidemi: Beautiful write up OP..

May Our Lord God give you the grace to continually stir up the gift of God within you.

@ bidam

I hope you read out of the OP and not into the OP.

I hope you will reposition yourself on the command of the Spirit of life in Christ by abandoning the law of Moses of sin and death in Jesus name.

JesusisLord85: hahahahahahhahaha
They can claim the god they formed in their minds. I serve YHWH, who never changes.

Goshen360: Glory be to God! The Lord reigns! Grace inspired article! Blessed brother. The beloved and I always love you.

JesusisLord85: Ah ok, he uses childrens bible..and misquotes. No wonder

JesusisLord85: They don't realise that it is this lawless attitude that gives 'christianity' a bad name.

They teach that once you are 'saved' (simply by saying some funky, pentecostal 'sinners prayer' that Jesus never sanctioned), anything that happens after that doesn't matter, you will go to heaven. However, one day, I was warned by one of these guys that my doctrine may lead me into the devils hands or something like that. Hilarious, because I thought I am eternally saved lol.

God is not the author of confusion. But when someone reads the bible back to front, how won't they be confused.

"My commandments"..."To observe for all time to come"..."This is an abomination unto me".
What don't they understand about these words from God himself?
And at the same time they accept God is unchanging. So should one not ask the question "have I understood this text", or even, "do I know God", when they read Paul's writings and begin to interpret things contrary to the ONLY scripture they had in his day, the old testament books.

Can you imagine a guy writing a letter to your church and telling you some things God told him. Will you not pick up the bible to make sure it lines up with scripture?

But these guys reckon that happened, and people accepted doctrine contrary to God's word, just because a student of Gamaliel says he met God on the road, in a rather brief encounter.

The Bereans checked scripture and saw Paul was sound. What does that mean? It means he kept the law. What he preached about the Messiah lines up with what the prophets spoke.

I must say though, anybody in the 'lawless' camp that does not follow shdemidemi's critical assumption of there being 2 gospels, really has no leg to stand on. It is only with this supposition that one may attempt to say the law is for Jews, and 'belief only' is what is require for gentile converts.
Now I know his 2 gospel theory is absurd, even his followers try to twist what he says on that so they don't sound like heretics, but I would love to understand the mind of those that simply believe there is one gospel AND Jews and gentile converts are no longer require to keep the commandments because it is some sort of "yoke".
I have even heard someone suggest that if you keep the commandments, you lose your salvation. Lol, can you see the madness of these people.
When Paul said this in Galatians, he meant those who thought they could be saved by keeping the law itself.

christemmbassey: my brother the church is marching on and family is blessed, i love it here o, but ppl like this boko haram guy is making this section boring , very unedifying, waste of time and bandwidth, thatsnotwithstanding, a very good thread this is. Keep it comoing bro more grace multiplied.

christemmbassey: una dey try o, for me, i stoped reading anything from this guy a long time, his cognition is terrible.

DrummaBoy: Thank you Demi

JesusisLord85: vs 20, the things he told them to observe. Where did James get that from? Torah of course.
In other words, they must obey these as a matter of urgency. They can learn the rest of the law as they attend the synagogue each sabbath.
Observing the law, NOT saved by the law. We don't observe it because we believe we are saved by it, we do it because those are God's instructions to his people, and we want to please him.

John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

What do you make of this?

Acts 21: When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. 21 They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. 22 What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, 23 so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. 24 Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law. 25 As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.”

Again, they kept the law.

Paul's letter requires a decent knwoledge of the Torah in order to understand it, along with context.

Shalom

Goshen360: ^ You, shdemidemi and pastorkun keep the good fight of faith. I still dey side line dey warm up and jogging. You know say my free kick and striking skills dey penalty kick.

DrummaBoy: East-ward

I have been resisting the temptation of referring him to Yaba left.

The guy is incoherent...

JesusisLord85: verse 11 shows you the context:

" No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."

They were saying you must observe the law FIRST in order to be saved. It takes a year or more to fully convert to Judaism. Thse guys wanted them to pass through the usual rights, but now, through Christ, you are saved by faith and are a convert {to the religion of the Jews if you will, NOT some new religion called Christianity}. Notice what else James says:

19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

In other words, let them come to the faith. They will learn the rest (the law) as they attend synagogue every sabbath day.

You see. Judaizers all the way. Stop reading bible back to front.

shdemidemi: I will give you a lil clue, please take time to check it through. The Kingdom of God is that area of God’s influence and control that are on the righteous side and not of the things that pertain to the unrighteous. Within the Kingdom of God we have the Kingdom of Heaven, which has been promised to Israel since especially the Abrahamic Covenant and involving all the other covenants after that – the Davidic Covenant, the Palestinian Covenant, and the New Covenant. They’re all associated with this Kingdom of Heaven.

But when Israel rejected all that at the stoning of Stephen, God did something totally different. It was kept secret from all the generations, and Paul calls it "the revelation of the mysteries." That is the opening up of the Church Age or the calling out of the Body of Christ.

You aware of all this and yet you chosse to call yourself a gentile!

Amazing

The bolded is all vain blabberings

Pastor Kun: Olodo why don't you then quote it properly if you think you know better.

Zikkyy: This part i can understand but...



....how do you balance the law (with the will of God)?

Tgirl4real: Brother, let's call a spade a spade. How do you live in a way that gives meaning to your salvation if you live in sin.

Brother, not to be rude, I believe you need to learn to present scriptures in the right context and with the proper balance.

Pastor Kun: ^^^
@Drummaboy
You sef suppose write book oh!

DrummaBoy: Answer to question 1:

DISPENSATIONS






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I will not be treating dispensations in an exhaustive manner (my readers may refer to Google or other authorities on dispensation for better understanding on that doctrine) but simply to answer your query of why folks like us who preach a gospel of grace always quote Paul. It is simple. Jesus the Son of God had a purpose in coming to the earth, this purpose was to save man from his sins (Matthew 1:21)

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To achieve this people he was brought to life through a woman and born to the lineage of David so as to fulfill the prophesy that he was to be called the Son of David. Born in the lineage of David made him a Jew in every aspect. This mission of saving man from his sin was to be fulfilled in two manners: 1. The one to save humanity must obey perfectly the good laws a righteous God had given His people. A law that the people never could keep. Jesus kept this law perfectly and fulfilled the righteous requirement of the law. That is why he could say he never came to destroy the law but to fulfill it. Jesus was born under the law and kept the law perfectly. 2. Those who will enjoy what Christ has done can only do so by be faith – an extension of God’s grace.

@ MOSTHIGH You are spot on here regarding the LIFE and WALK of the master, and I thank you for the reference to math 5 where he states the bolded in your response

Now to reveal the bolded in the true context one must read math 5:18-19 as well, and it reads

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, [b]till all be fulfilled.
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And we all know tha ALL has not been fullfilled from the world we live in today.


19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

Verse 19 reveals the full penalty for the actions of Goshen, Shidedemi and drummaboy for they teach men to speak against the LAW and PROPHETS


Bible teachers call the period Jesus lived on earth in the flesh the Christocentric dispensation. This is if we divide the whole of time to three dispensations: the theocentric, the Christocentric and the eschatological dispensations. Under the Theocentric dispensation we have the age of the gentiles (the time of Abraham and his calling out to follow God) and the age of Isreal (mainly the time of Moses and afterwards); the Christocentric dispensation has the Hypostatic Union (the time Jesus lived in the flesh) and the Church age (from the moment of Christ ascension until the catching away of the church); the eschatological dispensation will include the time of tribulation and the Millennium. We are in the church age presently.

@ MOSTHIGH Even if we are to agree with your dispensationalism it in no way negates the actions of the master who is our chief model our GLORY.

Under the Christocentric dispensation, we have Jesus’ coming and the purpose of his coming: this period is termed the Hypostatic Union and it has the unique characteristic of being the only time in all dispensations that law and grace came into union. This was necessary so that Jesus could fulfill the law perfectly in one hand and grant the benefit of this fulfillment to men (you and me) in the church age who will come to Him by faith. Thus the scripture concludes that the law was given through Moses but grace and truth came with Jesus Christ (John 1: 17). The grace of God through Jesus is then extended to those of us in the church age. So there is no need for us to follow and keep the law anymore since it has been fulfilled in Christ; we only appropriate this fulfillment by faith in Him.

@ MOSTHIGH Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: that is my respone to the bolded.

Now you know where you stand The master says to label you and your kind the LEAST.

We of the way are of the firm belif in the miaphystic union one person one character made up of two characters unmixed and undivided

Any other definition is plain magic and sorcery, hope you are aware this is the reason why the east and west are divided today, it is because of thier christology or simply put thier definition of the nature of christ



Because Jesus lived in the time of the law and was to bring grace to the church, he could not preach the gospel of grace as revealed to Paul or it will nullify his purpose of coming to earth: to fulfill the law. So Jesus words are scripture and Paul encourages us to allow Christ words to dwell in our hearts richly (Colosians 3:16) but Jesus words must be seen in the context of which they were stated and thus the need for sound bible teachers to rightly divide the word of God, keeping to the truth of Scripture. The Christian is not again held bound by the law Jesus operated under and which he came to fulfill.


@ MOSTHIGH Now you are being ignorant and blasphemous. You are also expressing you VAIN opinions regarding the master and GRACE..

Who in scripture is more graciouse than yashua Ibn Joseph?

The sermon on the mount is liberating.

I say liberating because here we have God in flesh schooling all who read the book about the coming kingdom and its constitution. Throughout the sermon one can see that the master openly reveals to all true desciples that the offence has been tramnsferd from the OVERT ACT to the INTENTION

POINT TO NOTE IS THAT THERE IS STILL AN OFFENCE BUT now it is the intention that is important

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Your conviction that the Christian is not again held bound by the law Jesus operated under and which he came to fulfill is very wrong and misleading, his very words were carry your cross and follow me.

Now how do you expect to achieve that drummaboy? seeing you rage against math 5:18-19?


Paul the apostle was chosen by God to be the harbinger of this unique gospel of grace. He made it clear in Galatians that this gospel was his gospel revealed to him by God and there was to be no other. This gospel is the message the church in the church age was to be built upon and it is no mere accident that Paul’s writing constitutes two-third of the New Testament: God providentially orchestrated this.

@ MOSTHIGH The bolded is a complete fantasy and a product of projection and classic mind controll techniques

Paul has no GOSPEL OF HIMSELF you make him sound narcissistic when you say such things.

THE GOSPEL IS OF YASHUA

You are talking about what the church is being built upon

So what about the kingdom what is the constitution of the kingdom of heave?



So any sound Bible scholar must understand Paul; must preach Paul; all under the auspices of the Holy Spirit and ofcourse subject to the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Paul in 1 Corinthinas 12 said that no man can say Jesus is Lord but by the Spirit of God; he was not just talking about mouthing such talk - anyone can do that. He was saying no one can preach Jesus the way he is doing it except the Spirit of God gives such a man utterance. That is the reason why I cannot be quoting Paul and be accused of fighting against Christ. The two are not congruent because there is no single passage in all of Paul’s epistle were he disparaged Christ. He exalted Jesus to the end and so do we.

@ MOSTHIGH In other words Christ time don pass now na paul get the full revelation



The reason why we quote Paul is because Paul had the message for the church age. Paul was the apostle to the gentiles like us and whatever he had to say was relevant to us. It makes sense to us state succinctly that if we preach and quote Paul, then we also do what Paul did. Thus leading me to answer the next question: Paul did not live subject to the law; Paul was not a Judaizer.

DrummaBoy: @MostHigh
You raised two questions and I will endeavor to answer them accordingly. :
1. Can you tell me why you are quoting Paul’s words and only Paul’s words to fight against Yashua and NOT DOING AS PAUL DID?
2. And even after you have seen Paul as a JUDAIZER, as you put it, why are you still raging and imagining vain things?
I will answer your question under two topics: Dispensation and Paul was not a Judaizer. I have learnt on nairaland.com that rather than answer questions piecemeal, it would do one’s readers great good to do a thorough job at answering questions so as to silence any gainsayer that may arise and to make one’s position to be as clear as the noon day. So please endure the essay below in answering MostHigh prodding:

ifeness: Nothing like "the end of the world" but it is the end of age. Genesis was never the beginning of the world but the recreation of the planet. Gods did not create made but modified man to be more like them. The word replenish was used in the bible in Genesis. The last time i checked the meaning in the dictionary it mean remake. Christians need to stop interpreting the bible literarily . The most important thing that ever happened to humans is the Sun,cos without it we are all dead. That is why we worship the Son( SUN). When it dies at night,it always promised to come back in the morning otherwise we are all dead. It comes in the clouds and goes back in the same cloud . That is why christian go to church on SUNDAY!

FOLYKAZE: Lol.....how do you smoke your garri? Ya dry Cassava leaf makes person go most high. You can boil some and add alcohol (not those fake chemical o, get confirm alcohol from Igbokoda), it fvcking good. Lol.

Sodom and gomorah come again......come save prophet Obadiah,,,,,,,I give you 2016, if we meet, you going to jail or I got dropped by nuke

obadiah777: ahhh but you err. there is no such thing as an imaginary heaven. heaven is here on earth. everything happens right here on earth. however there are too many destructive forces that need to be eradicated first before it becomes heaven. hence WW3 ARMAGEDDON. and as a black man you should be looking forward to having your oppressors in subjection. but of course that is assuming you are one of the black men who would make it through the fire

obadiah777: very poignant and apt post sire especially the daniel 7 vs 25 reference. i believe i can add one more reference verse >>>>>

revelation 20 v 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth,

shdemidemi: I agree with most of your response to the question but the above. Could you please explain the highlighted statement more clearly.