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Goshen360: Now, I know the argument the law keepers are going to bring in this teaching - the argument of James, the Apostle. The argument of faith plus works.

14What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?

15Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food.

16If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it?

17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

18But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds.

19You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

20You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is uselessd ?

21Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?

22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.

23And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”e and he was called God’s friend.

24You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

25In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?

26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

James 2

What is James the Apostle saying? Faith + Works? Certainly NOT else he would be contradicting himself and scriptures he was quoting because he said in verse 23, "Abraham believed (had faith in God) and it COUNTED TO HIM FOR\AS RIGHTEOUSNESS". So what is he saying? He is NOT saying works makes a man righteous before God rather he is testifying to the truth that faith\believing in what God had already done (through Christ) and when you believe in this way of God, you are made righteous unto God and in Christ you become the righteousness of God and the reign in life. That's the gift of God.

He is NOT also saying FAITH + WORKS saves or makes a man righteous. RATHER he is saying, you believe (have faith) that God had already blessed you, then you give out of what God had already blessed you with (show\do works as evidence of your believe\faith) NOT giving (doing works) because you want to be blessed. That's an example! So what do we have here, from the example of Abraham as quoted by James?

New Living Translation (©2007)
In the same way, "Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith." Galatians 3:6; Romans 4:3

It is faith and faith alone that made Abraham counted righteous. A foreshadow of how God will raise Christ from the dead and the bring back of Isaac to life again. That's what Abraham believe God for and he was declared righteous BEFORE he offer Isaac (do a work, showing the evidence of his believe). It is not the work that justified him nor made him righteous. So James is saying, if you say you believe God had already blessed you in wealth, then show that believe or faith by also blessing others NOT blessing others BECAUSE you want God to bless you. If you say (have faith or believes) that you are already made righteous in Christ, then live it out from inside, let people see that righteousness of Christ in you. If you have faith or believe you have already being forgiven, then forgive other NOT forgive other because you want God to forgive you etc. James is saying, works is the evidence that you already believe or have faith. That is, something had already taken place on your inside, then the proof is seen of men on the outside.

New Living Translation (©2007)
So it is clear that no one can be made right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say, "It is through faith that a righteous (THOSE WHO ARE MADE RIGHTEOUS THROUGH THE OBEDIENCE AND FINISHED WORKS OF CHRIST) person has life." This way of faith is very different from the way of law, which says, "It is through obeying the law that a person has life." Galatians 3:11-12

Candour: I'm surely not alone bro, he has promised not to leave me nor forsake me and i surely take comfort in that.

cheers

Candour: No my brother, Christ didn't save me to live like a Jew.

Dont worry yourself.like i said,you and i(and i'm sure a lot of contributors to this section) are singing from different hymn books.

keep up with your Judaism if it gives you peace.

Cheers

Tgirl4real: I think he believes the blacks are the real Jews. Ermmm . . . I hope I got that right.

Candour: Glad i know my position in the BODY OF CHRIST.

Sure unbelievers will have it rough when my Lord returns

Candour: That settles it then.We are surely not on the same page.

You are an adherent of Judaism while i'm a gentile saved by grace to partake of the blessings of Abraham(Gal 3:14)

Cheers

Goshen360:

Candour: @MostHigh

Pls do you live as a Jew now? Do you observe Sabbath, Passover, feast of Tabernacles etc now?

shdemidemi: Paul is not the Spirit of truth, Paul is no better than you and me. He says that himself, but the Spirit chose him, taught him and inspired all he said as regards the gospel of Jesus Christ. He was sent primarily to the Gentiles by Christ.

Candour: I still do not see how i've made Paul greater than the master.

Paul talked about things that none of the other apostles talked about.Paul preached to the gentiles that the other apostles were loath to do, it could only mean he heard and saw things they didn't see.I didn't make all these up.Check your bible and you'll see.

shdemidemi: Do you believe what Christ said in the book of John

12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come

Candour: welcome Mosthigh.

You are guilty of hasty conclusion.where in my write up did i imply what you said above?

i guess you too are guilty of lawlessness for uttering an untruth against me

shdemidemi: How did you come to this position!

Have you compared the gospel of the king and his subject as preached by the disciples to that of Christ and his mystical body as preached by Paul?

Candour: OK my brother,can you pls explain what Luke 18:34 means?

Also I might be wrong, but I can't find anything about the rapture or our glorious new bodies or reference to the term body of Christ and how it functions in any apostle's epistles except Paul.kindly point them out to me if you have the references.

Sorry,I can't give references now as I'm using my phone.will be more detailed when I get back to the office

Monimatic: OBJ....hate him or love him, he is still very much relevant and influential in Nigeria and Africa.
OBJ is an INSTITUTION in Africa, haters should live with it.

DrummaBoy: I am happy that the use of the word JUDAIZERS to describe some folks here on NL religious forum is striking the right chord and evoking some response. Maybe it will help them think their theology.

The OP is an unrepentant Judaizer; along with as many that subscribe to his teachings. His own is worse in that he is a HYPOCRITICAL LYING JUDAIZER.

Who is a Judaizer? Simple. Men and women who confuse law with grace. Individuals who in their bid to be holy resort to doing and works to find justification before God. They glory in what they do; they court God's blessings by keeping obsolete laws of the OT. etc.

There is no way one can read Acts 15; Phillipians 3:3; and the hundreds of scriptures that showed Paul contending with sect of d circumcision and not see the similarities with these guys.

These folks despise the Pauline gospel and know nothing of dispensations.

Unfortunately, a whole lot of Christendom today, especially Pentecostals, find themselves in this category. An emergency situation really...

Tgirl4real: He was begotten as the son of God, fully man and fully divine.



I am not after the word Trinity, the concept of 3 distinct personality in one is what I see all through scriptures. Moreover, my bone with you is the divinity of Jesus.



God Jehovah is the visible in the old testament and we see scriptures of him sending us a saviour - his son.

Let me ask you; God beget Jesus - Is God man? How come Jesus is ONLY man when his father, God is divine?

If you got married to a white woman, would your child be white?

Lastly, let me ask you a question I had asked you before;

(/quote)

In the name of ... SINGULAR get it

Not in the names of

And yes god is a man as scripture has revealed.

And let me ask you this if yashua is not a man then what is he?

debosky: Is Jesus 100% divine/deity?

Please see the edited latter portion of my post and respond.

Goshen360: Here comes my sincere heart to my dearest brother Frosbel in your recent fight against the Holy Spirit. I believe we should be silent on issue of the Kingdom we don't fully comprehend yet. It's not everything topic of the Bible I understand myself but certainly not like that Trinity.

It is true and fact that the word "Trinity" doesn't occur in the bible but it is a word used to explain the concept of The father, Son and Holy Spirit being called God and these three are distinct but one in unity and purpose of redemption. To say that the Holy Spirit don't exist is great error. All I have seen you believe in rescent time is that, God have a bodily form which makes him have a spirit and therefore there is nothing like the Holy Spirit but the spirit of God because God, the Father has a bodily form. Now, if the Father is called God, the Son is called God and the Holy Spirit is called God, what then is hard to comprehend about Trinity? I don't see anything difficult therein.

The bible teaches that God is Spirit and if a Spirit CANNOT have or possess another Spirit, it will therefore mean that Holy Spirit exist on its own as a distinct being. My heart goes out to you brother Frosbel to please take more time to study the concept of Trinity. If you don't fully comprehend it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. What you end up doing with this new fight against the reality of the Holy Spirit is to divide the body and also attempt to put the Holy Spirit into extinction which is dangerous.

I can understand the teaching of Trinity is confusing as some teachers make it look but it is not when we actually take time with the one who inspires the word of God, then we get a better understanding. I hope this helps. Thank you and God bless you.

frosbel: Is it wrong for people to question things they do not understand in the bible ? Or should we just keep quiet and keep marching on with error ?

This is not to challenge Jesus in anyway , he is the Son of GOD , Messiah, Lord and eternal King of the new Kingdom. It is to challenge the lies, deceptions and pretence of the apostate church.

Now , just stay on point and explain the ambiguity of these 2 genealogies and stop trying to stifle debate.

thanks

superior1: Then either you or the Bible is right

Genesis 3:15
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Isaiah 7:14
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel

Mary was a decendant of David and Christ was concieved without a man's seed (that was the proof of His divinity)

superior1: In this case,it is not a man seed but seed of the woman, unless you have any argument against virgin birth of Christ (I won't want to get so much into this)

The Jehoiakim curse is another reason why Jesus kingship couldn't have been established through Joseph's genealogy. Mattew is trying to tell us why it won't have been possible through Joseph (even if he were to be is natural father).

I gave you Ezra 2:61 (did you take your time to read it), where a man's name was recorded with the name of his wife (since the woman's name can't be mentioned in genealogy), so Joseph's genealogy won't be the first, it is a standard Jewish tradition.

The fact is there and of course, you are entitled to what you chose to believe.

superior1: In this case,it is not a man seed but seed of the woman, unless you have any argument against virgin birth of Christ (I won't want to get so much into this)

The Jehoiakim curse is another reason why Jesus kingship couldn't have been established through Joseph's genealogy. Mattew is trying to tell us why it won't have been possible through Joseph (even if he were to be is natural father).

I gave you Ezra 2:61 (did you take your time to read it), where a man's name was recorded with the name of his wife (since the woman's name can't be mentioned in genealogy), so Joseph's genealogy won't be the first, it is a standard Jewish tradition.

The fact is there and of course, you are entitled to what you chose to believe.

biolabee: I feel u bro


Since white men have learned to shoot without missing, a wise black man will fly without landing

So this unsubstantiated sex claims against blacks by white women still exists in this 21stcentury

Na wa ooooo

You will excel

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