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Tgirl4real: Thanks Enigma. This is one of the reasons I admire you, you know how to provide the right balance.

And for record purposes, I donot share the same position with bidam, alwaya true and others opposing Goshen n Demi on this matter. I am only asking that they provide the right balance.


Thanks bro.


Ohh! It's CAndour and not Enigma, well, I admire you too.



Thanks.

Ultimatly we should all ADMIRE yashua ibn joseph

For in him is the perfect balance

You can be exactly as your masterr is but not greater

shdemidemi: From scripture, please show me what I have removed.

Lawlessness

obadiah777: what is a judaizer ?

Derogatory term.

A Slur word

Used for those that uphold the efficacy of the law

It is nowhere found in scripture

The council of Laodicea states in cannon 29:


Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.

Why did the members of a Heathen council consider Saturday worship a sin and even worthy of such punishment? Why were Saturday worshipers on the same level as heretics and enemies of the professed earthly church?

Also, why would the professed earthly church state something that is in direct contrast with the ten commandments? Calling the Sabbath rest Judaizing is one thing, but then it says to do it on Sunday.


8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy. Exodus 20:8-11


Dan 7:25 And he [the little horn] shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

shdemidemi: 21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.

23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

Who is the 'I' leaving and departing in this passage, he flesh?

2 cor 4
16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

who is the outward man and who is the inward man?

What you teach is death.

Take not thy holy spirit from me..... the 51 psalm

About the nature of Christ.....

The nature of the union in the God Head is miaphystic, spirit and flesh unmixed undivided

The son of God is fully human and fully divine.

But you wouldn't know anything about that now would you?

that's what happens when you separate yourself from whole, you end up missing part of the picture.


So much greek talk is all your good at

shdemidemi: Sis, we can go round the issue through scriptures. If I say anything against what has been written, I am very opened to criticism.

Please answer my question, we can actually come to an understanding if our minds isn't locked.


Who is really Tgirl?

Tgirl is not the flesh you can see. The real you is the inward man living in your earthly house (your body). The Tgirl that is really saved is the inner man not the flesh, the body/flesh will not live but it shall die.

Paul can then say 'O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?'(the 'me' here is the inward man)

The day you became a believer of the gospel of Christ, nothing happened to your flesh but a new man was created in you (spiritually). Your flesh remains what it was before you believed but the reflection of your new status can only be effective in your flesh by the renewing of your mind through the word of God.

At this point, the devil has no power over your soul, although he can destroy your flesh and death can also kill your flesh but your soul lives on.

Here come the magicians again

Separating flesh from spirit

Heresies

Lawlessness.

shdemidemi: I did not bother to open the thread, the brother is walking East-ward.

Is it cause you cant answer the question?

DrummaBoy: I agree with U wholly and completely

Have U seen the thread by MostHigh? The guy seems to be enjoying his new monicker: Judaizer!

Very much so

As much as you hate your archaic name SON OF LAWLESSNESS

Meanwhile there has been no coherent response from he usual quarters I wonder why

STOMPED once again

shdemidemi: my question is, what makes one a Christian indeed? ^^^^

A Christian in scriptural speak is a Gentile or Unbeliver AKA goyim

Yashua from whose name this word was derived is no CHRISTIAN

Yashua is a JEW.

One of the WAY.

You can be exactly as your master is but not greater.

)

Tgirl4real: One thing you guys need to put into consideration in this 'once saved forever saved' gospel is that one who claims to be saved that still remains a perpetual sinner is not saved in the first place.

We are only looking at salvation from God's perspective.

How do you know a Christian from an unbel? Is it by answering altar call or by mere lip service?

What differentiates a believer from the world is the ability to live a godly life in this godless world.

Anyone living in pertual sin is NOT SAVED.

Salvation from man's angle is - 'working out your salvation with fear and trembling'.

Yes, God has saved us and anyone he saves is saved forever. But we know those God has saved by their godly character - fruits of righteousness.

Let's provide the right balance needed in this teaching.

Quite right.

Even the demons belive there is God

So after that what is the next step

You know how it is read in the holy book

Faith without works.....

shdemidemi: I believe I explained why he subdued his body.

The bible says he did that lest he won't be castaway.
I also explained what castaway as used in the original manuscript means.

Being a believer and a joint heir with Christ does not mean every man won't be merited according to their fruits, Some will bring forth thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred. We shall all be rewarded accordingly.

Merited according to their fruits? never heard that before.

If I remember correctly it is to BEAR fruit, and bearing fruit IN THE CORRECT CONTEXT my friend is NOT ABOUT REWARD its ABOUT HARD WORK

Can a good tree bear bad fruit?



If ye say ye are of Christ then why are you fighting him?

Why say you know more than him?

Why preach your own sermon or any other sermon for that matter?

Why grieve the holy spirit?

You can be exactly as the master is but not greater

There is no other revelation but that of yashua Ibn Joseph

DrummaBoy: Is there any further proof that Bidam and MostHigh are Judaizers, than this thread?

I will answer ur question when power is restored here.

Only Bidam and mosthigh?

What about the master himself?

Joker.

I hope you will address the question head on and not be a grasshopper on this one.

Tgirl4real: I am not disouting anything you said up there...you are yet to address my question.

What should be our attitude to sin as believers? When we sin, are to ignore like nothing as happened? You need to be specific brother.

Now watch the man do a RUNNER

The othe alternative is to speak some greek speak.

DrummaBoy: I was very careful about who I labelled a Judaist in that thread. I tried to pass a message (whether U have the capacity to receive it is another matter) using verifiable biblical references. I made a case against sects like the circumcision who were bent on upholding outdated Mosaic laws.

The question that remains unanswered is this: do we have people like this in modern times? Do we have Judaist on nairaland?

As for insults and such likes - when men have run out of ideas and capacity to reason properly they must surely resort to such things; by now you should know I am not that kind of a person.

Only a satanist will use "outdated mosaic" its like saying "old God"

Not saying your a satanist

but then again..

FOLYKAZE: So Accident, natural disaster and death started happening few days ago? If not for the recent plane crash news, have you not read about plane crash in the past? What makes the recent presence of the lord? Maybe or not you forgot to add MERS virus in the middle east..........the lord was stoned and he got angry so he need to kill people coming over there with virus....lol. But tell me, what drug are you taking? Choose one from this list :

1. LSD
2. Marijuana (weed, cannabis)
3. Hashish
4. Cocaine
5. Magic Mushrooms
6. MDMA
7. Ecstasy
8. Speed (amphetamines)
9. Meth
10. Crack
11. Heroin
12. Ketamine
13. 2c-b (nexus)
14 2c-i
15. 2c-e
16. Alcohol
17. Coffee
18. Poppers
19. GHB
20. PCP
21. DMT
22. 5-MEO-DMT
23. Opium
24. Kava-Kava
25. Ayahuasca
26. Mescaline
27. Monkey tail
28. Sokudaye
29. Aboniki
30. Hot cake



Pasta Rasta gangta mata yea me?

Na this type dey get nuke with surname ontop

Scoffers will always abound.

Even your fourth generation past and more no see the kind yawa wey dey happen today

But you chose to be desensitised instead

Next thing na to dey process una dey package

Pastor Kun: ^^^
Story!!!

I hear you

Goshen and his desciples.

A lawless crew

Pls answer the queshun about paul being a JUDAIZER.

Or park one side jare

Bidam: Acts 21:21-26 -And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, [b]save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them [/b]entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

IT IS QUITE UNFORTUNATE THAT NOT ALL CAN READ AND BE DIRECTLY INSPIRED AS YOU ARE

The bolded is how the elders settled the whole palaver the problem caused by demanding the GENTILES adhere to one LAW was resolved by mutually agreeing they not be pressed to obey that particular law but DEMANDED THEY OBSERVE CERTAIN OTHER ORDINANCES IN LEVITICUS. JUDAIZERS!

AS A SINGLE UNIT THEY ALL AGREED INCLUDING PAUL. AND I THINK GOSHEN SHOULD REALLY MEDITATE UPON THIS VERDICT

GOSHEN AND HIS DESCIPLES ARE PARADING AS ELDERS BUT THEY DONT PASS JUDGEMENT AS ONE

THEY ELDERS STILL HAD TO QUOTE FROM LEVITICUS TO SETTLE THE MATTER. JUDAIZERS!

JUST AS YASHUA CONSTANTLY QUOTED FROM DEUTRONOMY FOR SOLUTIONS TO ALL QUESTIONS ASKED. JUDAIZER!

THE SOLUTION IS ALWAYS WITHIN THE TORAH

Lawlessness is death.

You have been warned.

Pastor Kun: Acts 15:5-11



5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by [b]putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?[/b] 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

You will always quote out of context

Bidam thank you for putting it in the correct context

You did not answer yes or no to paul being a judaizer

but I will still respond to your post to point out your error

1. you are a gentile hence you are to recive salvation not directly but through another race (why would any christlike person confess to be a gentile?)

2. you belive that my telling you to obey the law is a heavy burden but this is only true because first you are a gentile an unbeliver

If you had been a jew it would not be a burden it would have been to you for reproof and for instructions in rightouseness

God is HOLY first, Rightousness is just an extension OF HIS DIVINE CHARACTER

Without the LAW there would be no concept of [/b]RIGHTOUSNESS[/b]

This post is addressed to Goshen Shidedemi and drummaboy.

I will make it short and simple.

You have all been quite evasive over the issue of paul observing all jewish traditions and cultures as witnessed by scripture

Not one of you have been able to defend your position when asked this question

Shidedemi tried by propsing the vows taken by paul were from a different lifetime and that after his conversion he was compelled to complete it.

I have kindly shown him his errors by stating acts 18:18 happend after his conversion.

My question is..

1. Can you tell me why you are quoting pauls words and only pauls words to fight against yashua AND NOT DOING AS PAUL DID?

2. And even after you have seen paul as a JUDAIZER as you put it why are you still raging and imagining a vain thing?

AWAITING RESPONSES

shdemidemi: We must understand the dichotomy between work and grace unto salvation. Paul says we have a new master, our master has paid a price to buy us from our previous master. There is therefore nothing you and I can do to go back to our old master except another price is paid to retrieve us. Paul mostly use the word beseech, which is a form of plead to tell us how to carry ourselves with the new master.

There is a difference between works because I am saved and works to get saved.


The key to obedience is belief. We can only be obedient after we believe, Abraham believed and his belief was accounted has righteousness. We must know that Abraham made decisions and compromised at various times, you and I could call that disobedience. But, all Abraham did was the predestined plan of God. Therefore, we can't condemn any believer (with the view point of the law) because we don't know what God is doing through what we perceive to be disobedience.




I believe the Spirit of God in us leads us to will and to do the things of God



TRUE... I believe we must study the word of God at all times, the bible says it transforms us from glory to glory.



The original manuscript does not have that 'who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit' in verse 1. You can do a brief research on that, most translations also stop at 'no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. The entire chapter is an indicative identity of who we are as Christians.



Paul was not talking about being condemned to hell.

Castaway there means loss of future reward.

Remember the parable of the sower, some will bear hundred some sixty and some thirty. We will be rewarded for our good works.

^^^

What about those seeds that fell by the wayside?

As for the conscious effort of Paul to subdue his body, it is not unto righteousness. He was already righteous through Christ Jesus.

^^^

LWTMB Then why the effort to subdue? you are a JOKER

Anything to be disobedient.

Lawlessness is sin and death

Paul was lawfull to the end.

DrummaBoy: @Alwaysttrue

I am appreciating your position more and more. I see where you're coming from: it is still is problem of how the believer must view sin.

I invite U to the thread on Judaizers I talked about above. Hopefully before the end of the day, I will discuss the place of grace and Christians overcoming sin in that.

But please appreciate God's grace so much and think less about your sin and others sin; because it would rob U of God's blessing - the blessing of grace.

Imposter.

Have you ever studied the eptymology of the word JUDAIZER

Its a slur word, even though I accept it happily

From our discussions I know you dont have any idea of what youi are talking about.

Just to get you thinking... the word Judiazer is not scriptural

You can be exactly as your master is but not greater


https://www.nairaland.com/1377933/apostle-paul-judaizer

DrummaBoy: @MostHigh

Thanks U for ur honesty. U have been alleged and have pleaded guilty. You have what law keepers have: YOU HAVE FALLEN FROM GRACE.

Your contribution to this thread is no longer necessary.

Over to Bidam and OLAADEGBU are U Judaizers too?

Confused.com

Yashua is a LAWKEEPER WHY DONT YOU ACCUSE HIM OF FALLING FROM GRACE AS WELL?

Abi fear dey catch you for that one? or is it confusion

You Drummaboy are under the sole of my feet as yashua as prescribed

And you shall be ruled with a rod of iron.

Wether u like or you no like, only other option is nuke fire

Lawlessness is a disease

Logicboy03: Madness....

Only the mad will survive

Ever watched MAD MAX

I can feel it in the ether Sire

The earth is ascending

and armagideon is imminent

The question is


Are you prepared

DrummaBoy: UNVEILLING MODERN DAY JUDAIZERS

Jesus and the Judaizers

A cursory study through the New Testament will show that the gospel of Jesus Christ had enemies from its inception. First century Palestine was a deeply religious one and the world Jesus was born into had some individuals who had constituted themselves as religious authorities: they were the Pharisees and Sadducees – sometimes seen as teachers and scribes.

The gospel Jesus preached stood in stark contrast to that which the religious leaders of his days taught. While Jesus preached a message of inner renewal and sanctification, these men emphasized externalities. While Jesus encouraged frugality and faithfulness with money, the Pharisee and Sadducees were said to love money and encouraged people to give money to the synagogue over and above taking care of their families. While Jesus encouraged liberty amongst his followers, these people were known to tie up heaven burden on people that they could not carry themselves. While Jesus taught his disciples about the kingdom to come, these men knew nothing but earthly things. While Jesus taught with authority and in the power of the Holy Ghost, these men were clouds without rain. It is important to note that Jesus did not have kind words for these men.

Hear him in Matthew 23:

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For those who make a case for not criticizing men of God, they should hear what Jesus said of religious leaders of his day above.

This position that Jesus took did not go without a price. The religious leaders saw to it that Jesus was killed. In fact as early as Mark 3, the Pharisees were already planning to kill Jesus:

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They succeded at it eventually and the Lord of glory was crucified. When Paul discussed Jesus death in 1 Corinthians 2, he called those who crucified Jesus “princes of this world”.

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The phrase “princes of this world” could be interpreted “rulers of this world” – the political, religious and demonic rulers of the world. The princes of this world will include Pilate, Pharisees, Sadducees, scribes and the devil himself. In their morbid jealousy and hatred, the Pharisees and Sadducees, had teamed up with satan to bring about his demonic work.

We all know now that God was using all this to birth his eternal purpose on earth in sending a savior to mankind to redeem us from our sins. But because the religious leaders of that time were so demonic compliant, they were ready tools in the hands of the devil.

I introduced this piece with Jesus’ experience with the Judaizers of his time so that I can proceed into what Paul himself experienced with Judaizer of his own time before finally discuss the Judaizers of our time. We will see that except in very minor details, the judaistic religion has not changed since the days of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

TBC

The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works:

Did you not see the bolded in yashuas INSTRUCTION

Obey the teachers but dont copy thier lifestyle.

Its like saying OYEDEPO sits in yashuas seat which is what he has truly done...

But whatever OYEDEPO teaches you in church especially about the spirit you should observe but do not live OYEDEPOS lifestyle.

How does this automatically mean disregrd the TORAH AKA THE INSTRUCTIONS AND TEACHINGS

You are children of the lawless one.

And you do not know what a JUDAIZERS is

Even after talking to one for some time now

YOU CAN BE EXACTLY AS THE MASTER IS BUT NEVER GREATER.

Go and read the sermon on the mount again and stop listning to GOSHENS SERMON ON THE INTERNET

LWKMT

DrummaBoy: So over to three individuals on this forum: Bidam, OLAADEGBU, MostHigh and any other person who has been accused of being a Judaizer on this forum, from the aforementioned or from scriptures, show to me (us) that the allegation laid against you is false.

Prove to me (us) in the light of the scriptures that you are not to be called by that name you so much detest: JUDAIZER!

Or forever hold your peace on the matter and bear your ignoble label.

Abeg make una no use laugh kill person...

Projection in basic psycology happens when someone's subjective judgements are "projected" to be inherent properties of an object, rather than being related to personal perception.

One consequence is that others may be assumed to share the same perception, or that they are irrational or misinformed if they do not.

Simply put creating in your mind what is not not real

That being said let me make it clear one final time...

I AM A JUDAIZER AND HAVE NEVER DENIED IT.

So wetin be all this talk about ALLEGATIONS MADE, PROVE and DENY?

Also in relation to your projection BUZZ kai laugh wan kill person oooh.

Yashua Ibn Joseph is a JUDAIZER

Paul is a JUDAIZER

All the apostles are JUDAIZER

And scripture backs this up everywher no matter the lawlessness chanting and ranting

What is even more alarming is that GOSHEN AND HIS DESCIPLES HAVE REFUSED TO ACCPT THIER LAWLESSNESS JUST AS I HAVE ACCEPTED MY JUDAIZER WAY OF LIFE

I HAVE BEEN ACCUSED AND NEVER DENIED IT

I HAVE PROFFESSED IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS

Children of lawlessness it is death that binds you all together.

All it takes is one stone to scatter you lot.

The white stone.

shdemidemi: Repeating the same sin is not right but even after stopping one, can you stop the rest. Remember, sin is sin, there is no small or big one.

I believe we have to admit that we cannot do it, it is impossible for a man in this flesh to live without sin on his own. We were not made that way, my eyes desires and enjoy seeing wrong things even before my brain can interpret sometimes. Sometimes, I lie too, I lie because my flesh is so scared of the pain it will be subjected to if I had Said the truth.

Do you admit that before the end of today, you will commit one sin or the other, willingly or unwillingly?

The master says to DIE to something daily...

shdemidemi: What are you trying to say bro

Oh!

Just referencing you opening statement (I dont believe....)

Hence my response that belief is not the same thing as knowing

Most people confuse and itermix both expressions daily unconciously

shdemidemi: I don't believe we need any part of the law of Moses as Christians, be it morals or ceremonial. The bible says

Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Anyone that has the Spirit of Christ in them are led by the Spirit and not by the letter. When you are led by the Spirit, you would not only fulfil the righteousness of the law, you would think and act in favour of God in any situation that you find yourself.

Belief is different from knowledge.

shdemidemi: Does constant and perpetual confessions make you righteous before God?

Don't you think we will get tired of confessing and confessing and confessing some more cos we don't only go against God in our deeds, we also do in our thoughts.

What sort of relationship do you think you would have with your wife if you give her laws you know she will constantly break. I don't think you and your wife will have the most blissful times if she keeps breaking the law and she keeps confessing.

It is only those that live in PERPERTUAL SIN that make PERPETUAL CONFESSIONS.

You cannot mock God.

If you are sincere you wil not perpetuate the same sin over and over again

The master says to die to somthing daily, no be one day waka.

But then again you have to be sincere like I intimated.

shdemidemi: Fine, I am happy we are in agreement with this particular part. You also make errors just like me, I believe that is why they say this gospel of Christ is only for the weak and not for the guy who thinks he is above sin or errors.

What do you then think we can do about the errors?

Remember the law is waiting to nail any man who makes errors like you and I.

Confession is good for the soul.

And I dont mean the kind of confession as it is practiced by the visible earthly church.

More like acknowledging your wrongdoing to SELF AKA the indwelling spirit. and also to the people we have offended.

Psalm 51 is spot on in this regard




I cannot be condemmed by the LAW

The Law was made for me

And not me for the law

Remember to temper justice with mercy

It is a sure sign of true Sonship.

shdemidemi: You really spoke well.

Do you agree you are a sinner, not just a sinner a perpetual sinner?

Though I may have my erros

I dont live in sin