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Jodera:
I just hope that we won't be unpredictable even confuse ourselves join

No confusion... trust the process the way you trusted it last year...

Jodera:
1. You said Zinny was unavailable reason why he's using the right hand side for inverted role hence Partey. So I ask, why can't Timber play the Inverted role in the right hand side since he's ordinarily a RB by default?

2. He needs to try it first. It would have been better than this nonsense of removing one of our best Midfielder and shunting him in a completely new position. A Tomi/White playing Inverted role wouldn't have affected the cohesion of the team the way it's doing now

3. Everyone knows Tierney was behind the pecking order of Timber, Zinny, Tomi and Kiwi. Even last season when Tomi and Zinny were unavailable, he still used Kiwi as Lb.
After the community shield and first two EPL matches, everyone knew he'll be gone this season maybe except you. He was too good to be 3rd choice Lb not to talk of 5th

My main annoyance is
1. Benching Gabriel
2. Playing Partey as FB
3. Playing Havertz in midfield

If you know how this three things have destroyed our fluidity, compactness and solidity of the team's structure (even though it's still the same 433), you won't be giving all these excuses

I don't want to believe you're the one that typed this. You're criticizing Arteta for 'experimenting' (in your own words) yet you are suggesting he play Tomi/White as an inverted forward. How did he remove Partey from Midfield abeg? Is the formation not 325? This is turning to something else abeg...


You want him to play Gabriel right? Let me tell you what you're not realizing. If Gabriel should play in Zinny's absence, he would be playing as FB. And I'm sure you will be the first to criticize him for that.

Spy360:
Brilliant take.

Sometimes when someone is trying to explain tactics, some people misunderstand it as defending the coach. No.

You have simply explained what the coach tried to do, whether it worked or not is a different issue. But one thing we cannot deny is that the tactics makes a lot of sense. If it works it would be ingenuity.

Thank you Spy

I really want the tactic to work and I believe it will. Why?


1. We will be unpredictable


2. It will be our plan B incase Zinny started his little injury nonsense



3. Proper utilization of our large squad.


meanwhile, I don't want to believe many don't understand the tactic. The outcry against Arteta is because of Havertz. They felt he is changing tactic in order to accommodate Havertz which is far from truth.

AkinDS:
Both have had several opportunities to make the cut and have not been able to. There are many up and coming players in the US, UK and possibly Nigeria, who would add more value.
Time to move on.

Huh? Mention them please.


Note please, this is not an argument. What you typed here is kinda surprising because I can't even mention a single decent CB who are available for callup aside the regular ones.

Lush100:
E be like say e go soon reach....@shegz, @idamola and @jodera go book direct flight to uk go beat teta...and threaten that chelsea guy to start playing well.


That Chelsea buy i no understand....

Manu don improve oh....if u no play well no expect anything oh.

See as Newcastle loose bcoz they didn't tale their chances

The bolded is the Koko. Even if we play almighty tactic and still refused to take our chances, we go still lose. Like last match, individual mistakes gifted the opponent two goals. Let's not talk of the missed chances.

Jodera:
E go shock you say na Partey go chop bench.

Just wait

When he no dey craze. If anybody will make way for Havertz, it will be Nketiah.

Jodera:
Title Challenging/winning squad but Arteta said No!!

One disadvantage of this team is its predictability. Most if not all teams go don Sabi our tactic and everything. Well, let's hope it works for long before it casts.

iamoyindamola:
This should be the line up against scummies
Enough of experimenting
City is already running away with 2 points, LFC are not playing around
Spurs is gaining ground
Otoge biko

I still think Nketiah should start if he is fit. Scenes where Havertz starts on Sunday at CF

Jodera:
I don't know why Mo.stob keep forgetting this point.

I don't care if Havertz starts as long as it's Cf, just get me my Midfield three of Rice Partey and Odegaard, and our standard back 4 of last season.

At least, if I wan complain, make e be only Havertz. It's tiring complaining at 10 different things at once

Na wa o...I didn't forget any point. Timber and Zinny were unavailable, who was next to play as an inverted FB? Partey. Why? He is familiar with the role. Can he play it effectively as Zinny? No


Timber and Partey starting also buttress my point on the coach's motive being unpredictability. Timber excels more as a CB/FB hybrid..even more than when he inverts. This is why he got the nod ahead of Tomi, Kiwior and Gabriel.


With Zinny and Timber available, I don't think Arteta would play Partey at RB.

IKON360:
Have you ever bothered to reason why Madrid, Arsenal, Chelsea under Tuchel, Tottenham, Brighton and Man city have all tried this system?
Madrid won UCL and La Liga playing with 4 midfielders, Arsenal had their best finish in the league in more 8 years playing the system, Man City won the treble playing the same system and Barca won super cup and La Liga playing the same system.

Have you ever tried to reason why so many top teams are using the same formation??

Argentina even played it to win the world cup but you think Xavi is a dunce for using the system...

Please get your fact right. Arsenal and City do not use 4 midfielders. Infact we play something entirely different from what Xavi is playing.

Katcall:
sell him to jodera's club

We have enough ball boys.

Arteta getting bashed left and right because of Havertz... Some reports are saying he is going for Eric Garcia as Timber's replacement.



This season go long o

Jodera:
if you can dig, abeg dig and show me at least two monikers that were outraged that Zinny played inverted last season

1. Zinny moving to Midfield is straining Gabriel


2. Gabu is doing two jobs at a time because Zinny is playing out of position



3. Zinchenko is not overlapping and this has affect Martinelli


These were some of the complains made last season.

Personally, I complained about Zinny playing against Speedy wingers because I feared that would expose us.
Fast forward, we perfected the tactic and we all calm down.

If Zinny and Timber were never injured, I don't think we would see Partey at RB.

iamoyindamola:
You can’t say we are playing same tactics as last season because some players are playing out of position
Last season only white was played out of position
This season alone partey, kiwi, tomi, timber and even kaikai have all played out of position

Ok then

chrisooblog:
Correction Osimhen would barely start to for the youth team [b][/b] of a championship side.

Oh.... I just didn't want to be too forward ni

iamoyindamola:
He they play

Make em mess up first....

iamoyindamola:
Did partey play RB last season

The LB inverted last season sir.

ObaIgwe1:
Did we? if he is trying to play same tactics then we played last season, the he is playing our players out of position, either way he has all the blame.

All na inverted tactic na. There was outrage when he started using Zinny as an inverted FB too last season. Las Las everything later worked out.

iamoyindamola... Be like your gaffer is right.

We are ten times better

iamoyindamola:
The tactics is not working don't you get it
We are struggling

No be the same tactic we used last season? Las Las we go dey alright

iamoyindamola:
Do you know that harvetz scattered our formation and tactics
He's the reason gabu is on bench because he shifted him to midfield so that partey will go to RB and white will play cb
Just 1 person changed 3 solid players positions and guess what the said player is completely useless in the team not like he's our best or second best player

Na wa o.... Na Havertz bench Gabu? You know what, wait till Sunday...if Zinny starts, I assure you Gabu will start. Most of us just wan toast Havertz without understanding how the tactic works.

iamoyindamola:
Exactly
But your coach they play kiwi ahead of him
It's like telling a tailor do make a chair for you because he learnt a little of carpentary

The same way White is starting at RB even though he is a CB. When one FB is inverting, the other FB must be comfortable playing both CB and FB. That is why Gabriel is not starting.

iamoyindamola:
No I am asking if kiwi is better than him

Kiwi is a CB, Tierney is a LB. How do you expect me to compare both? Do they play the same position?

iamoyindamola:
Come of it
Zinny is not a new signing that need excessive training or preseason
Moreover we have Tierney unless you will tell me kiwi is better than tierney

It is not about training or whatever but fitness and the fear of relapse.


Tierney? Even you yourself know he can't play as an inverted FB. The same Tierney you criticize for spamming crosses.

Come to think of it Jodera, ZINNY HAS BEEN INJURED AND DIDN'T PLAY PRESEASON. I really don't think Arteta deserves so much blame for trying to cope with his absence. Timber who should have stand in sef is injured.


see eh, we just need to calm down ni

Jodera:
Rice have effectively shown he can replace Xhaka with the past two matches I watched. He drives with the ball, he gives good forward passes, he's a very good tackler and good aerially, he's a very good space interpretor. I never missed Xhaka this past two games while watching Rice.

On the other hand, we can't blame Partey. He's not even known to play RB before but he's been forced there (worse still at his old age), how can he learn inverted at that age?

You see how we scored 2 quick fire goals just because we played our almost last season formation? Contrast it to the huffing and puffing we were doing during the past 2 games and first half.

It seems you just don't understand how our fluidity, compactness and solidity is missing with this stupid formation and shuffling of players wrongly.

Even with a red card, I was hoping and praying they don't equalise seeing the personnel on the pitch. God knows I would have gone to sleep with absolute peace of mind if we did that comeback last season even without a red card.

It is too early to say something about Rice and Xhaka. Both have different skillset so I'm really expecting to play in a similar manner to Xhaka.


Partey first played as a RB under Simeone at Atletico Madrid. I think this is why Arteta is trying to play him as the inverted RB.



Of course, we will be better with Zinny inverting because this was the same tactic we have played multiple times. I still don't think this is a stupid formation. Many here want us to be less predictable. Were we not afraid of being found out while playing same tactic over and over again last season? Now that he is trying a reverse formation to that of last season, we dey vex. Our inability to score lies more in the players' bad decision making, sloppy passes and wasted chances.



Arteta is getting all these clapbacks because he is playing Havertz who he thinks suit his tactic. This is illogical to me. I will like him to revert back to the previous formation.

iamoyindamola:
We they complain about harvetz as a CM that mumu already push him to DM
Miracle no they tire jesus

I remember seeing Havertz deeper than Rice yesterday, that picture must have stucked inside his head.

iamoyindamola:
Even out inter change and fluidity lost since the last 3 games
When a player is slow it affects the team, immediately he came off yesterday the urgency and quick transition came back

Na why I said I no go blame him yesterday. Man was just trying to improvise and be unpredictable which is a good motive. However, e no dey work. Hopefully he goes back to basic against the scummies on Sunday. I wan make we beat that United team like thief wey stole for Ariaria market.

AndSunGorilla:
1) that wasn't a lie. It was a based on the "Here and Now" as at that time.
2) that was more of his judgement and assessment, same goes for Porto v Fulham debate.

If that statement had come from you, I don't think anybody would have raised an eyebrow. But for Komekn, his intent are always bare.

As for Porto vs Fulham. His opinion was not based on normal football argument. He needed to downgrade a player so he employed the narrative.

Nigeriagood:
what gives you the idea Porto will beat Fulham?

I don tell you make you tell them at home to collect that phone from your hand.

charlesemeka85:
On a low with no hype and noise

Omo..I was afraid when reports said Southampton no wan sell. I really don't want him to play in the championship after that performance. I'm happy for this move. I hope he light up Burnthisleaguedown...sorry Bundesliga.

iamoyindamola:
Lmao What a fool, have been wasting my time reply a follow come stupid individual Was xhaka a DM last season Who replaced him Never mind sef I am fill basket with water

Be like you get time today.