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Lush100:
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It was a typo na.
When zinny inverted to midfield.
White played RB who who invert to CB on defense which will rarely occur seeing we will have more of the ball.

Only saliba was playing true CB which nearly cost us had that weight-lifter runner tool his chance.
Gabreil being better aerially would have given is better balance. Both in corner and game.

U sef know say na when nketiah enter field na when we dominate.
Harvetz is looking like a bad buy. Time is the only thing on his side.
Vieira played well. Even in preseason.
His issie was staying on his feet and being bullied of the ball.
When we are in control he plays well.

Ok boss... On Havertz, I don wash my hand comot. When I couldn't take it anymore was when he received that pass, 6 yards away from the box 18 but he chose to pass back to Rice and we lost that ball. Omo, I wan break phone.


However, I wouldn't write him off yet.

daveP:
7.6 rating aint bad.

I love me some December sarcasm anyway.

Bassey was decent. Really organized that Fulham defense and was even instructing at sone point.

He should have done better with the long balls. Maybe he was playing to the coach's instructions.

komekn:
Napoleon55

I challenge you to name one LIE and or UNTRUTH that you attribute to me, just one not two .

I challenge you

Osimehn wouldn't start for a championship club.





Fulham is better than Porto.



Make I continue sir?

iamoyindamola:
Nah https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66630620
That's the link

Well, e no go pass this season.ake we siddon dey look.

Lush100:
No it was only when zinny came today that white did overlap because partey moved to midfield.
White did not overlap prior to that.(in all our games)
He has to remove Harvetz b4 he could go that.
The only thing harvetz bring is the CB of the opponents do not know whether to mark him or not.
I will suggest he uses D. Rice rather than Partey .
Declan is still good defensively and can cover ground.
Partey can't do thateffectively

No...Partey and Zinny were not on the pitch together yesterday. There were times Partey dropped to RCB giving White the chance to overlap.

As for Havertz, the jury is still out on him. There were instances yesterday where his off the ball runs frees Martinelli but the headless chicken just kept messing everything up. The Vieira we all bashed here came in yesterday and gave a good performance.


And Declan shouldn't play defence abeg...I prefer him in Midfield. His ball winning ability and physicality is needed in he middle.

iamoyindamola:
Arteta said arsenal are 10 times better than last season
Foolish man

He might be sarcastic...

Jodera:
Mostob lemme tell you. If we'd use our normal formation, it would have been Rice and Partey in midfield. Once we went ahead, those two would have given us solidity and in Gab/Saliba, we would have held on especially when we were one man advantage.

But guess what, since We went need a goal, he removed Partey (because he's a RB) to put Zinny and when we were 2-1 up, we were light in midfield defensively (Rice, Viera and Odegaard) reason why Fulham were successful in aerial ball(something that wouldn't have happened If Partey was present with rice and he didn't play the FB role). To correct that, Arteta put in Jorginho, a supposed DM who's weak defensively. To see out the win, Jorginho would have joined Partey and Rice In Midfield but the mistake of removing Partey disbalanced everything.

In defence, Our CB also was still a big step down with Kiwi who's not good aerially and not confident enough like Gab and his side was exploited to good effect. I mean Kiwi and Zinny are the weak areas in our defence and that's where Fulham targeted.


If only we had stuck with our Standard last season formation, Fulham wouldn't have gotten back into this game no matter what. But the earlier formation and personnel scattered everything

This is why I said it's fundamental and structural.

Our normal formation will still have an issue because Rice has not shown he can play the Xhaka role effectively. He did against Forest though but it didn't work.


This is why I said the players shared the bigger part of the blame. When Jorginho came in, even me wey no dey field can understand he want them to keep the ball and take control since Fulham are down to 10 men but Zinny just had to spoil everything.


And then, Partey throughout the first half was just playing what he felt like. Against Forest and Palace, he was everywhere in the Midfield and that gave us control. Yesterday, man just didn't invert and our Midfield collapsed. In the second half, he corrected himself and we regained control in Midfield.


Like I said, Gabriel will play when Zinny starts. As for Kiwior, Timber's injury did us bad there as he would have done a perfect job than Kiwior and Tomi sef.



That said, I don't think it has to do with the structure. Our players didn't just turn up yesterday. Too many sloppy passes and wasted chances.

ObaIgwe1:
There is no problem with either of our LB or RB inverting, Zinny did it well last season.

But here is the problem, when Havertz join Odeggard as AM, Partey who is suppose to play RB has to join Rice most times as DM leaving us with 3 at the back....in the event of Zinny or even Partey overlapping, our back will become weaker and we will concede more goals. My point is that we should stick to what works with either of RB or LB inverting rather than having 2 AMs in other to keep Havertz on the field. I prefer Gabriel in the back with whoever playing LB or RB able to invert at any time while Partey joins Rice. We are stronger that way.

3 at the back has always been the formation though. The RB is still where the issue lies.

Jodera:
Nobody says he shouldn't do RB invert if he wants to do, but he shouldn't be weakening two areas of the team (and more areas) when doing that.

Playing Inverted is a skill on its own. The FB knows when to invert and when to overlap. He should also be good driving forward and knowing when to drop back. It's not just about Entering Midfield. Ask yourself, how many times did you see Partey driving forward in the past 3 games? How many times do you see him overlapping and making quick exchange with Saka?
Did you see the Big difference when Zinny came on and played that inverted role?

The big issue is that Partey can't play that Inverted role effectively and also the midfield is missing his utmost presence(two areas suffering).

That's what have been affecting us these past 3 games. I will also talk about the spiral effects on how it affects the team compared to last season

I agree ...He is not as good as Zinny. One thing I also noticed is that he sometimes drop to RCB allowing White to do the overlapping.

elyte89:
Manuel still Dey dere o… e neva resign

Ter Stegan too is dere…I am sure dis two keepers will feature for 2/3 world cups as number 1…anyway na him choice

Trapp and Leno sef dey
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ObaIgwe1:
This is what I was expecting as our core lineup with little twitch here and there depending on the opponent or injury... But I don't understand what we are playing again.


Martinelli/Trossard.............................................................Jesus/Nketia........................................................Saka/Nelson

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......................................................................................Odegaard/ESR/Viera

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................................Rice/Havertz.........................................................................................Partey/Jorg



Zinny/Chambers................................ Gabriel/Kiwor........................................Saliba/White .......................................White/Tomi




........................................................................................... Ramsdale/Raya



Playing Rice and Havertz in advanced position and removing one of the CBs and expecting Partey to cover RB and still play as DM is weakening our back, especially when any of the LB or RB also invert.

You mean Timber and not Chambers

ObaIgwe1:
Actually Arteta made too many changes to our team structure last season that is affecting us.

There is no problem making one or two tactical changes sometimes depending on the opponent style of play. But Arteta has stuck to this his new formation that is not helping us since the start of the season and it doesn't look like an experiment, or a tactics against a particular team any longer, but this has become his new style of play. And I am not feeling it.

If you want to invert from either LB or RB using Zinny, Kiwor, Chamber, White or Tomi...fine by me. But leave our core CB alone if they are not injured. As it is, only Saliba is playing as CB because Partey is not there at RB so White has to cover his back.

Now in the midfield, I have no problem with him wanting to play 2 No8, IMO, we don't need Havertz to achieve that (still waiting to be convinced), we have ESR and Viera that can play the role with Odegard. Only our forward personnel are left unchanged, even then he still want to force Havertz there sometimes. It's okay to gamble playing Trossard as CF, and when it didn't click he brought in Nketiah..that is fine. But don't start a stupid lineup or keep playing players out of their comfortable position or keep the best on the bench for whatever reason.

We have our key players known for their best position and a good bench, if any player is having a bad day on the field, we have good replacement for him, but I don't understand the need of changing an already winning structure, not just for a match, but for 3 matches going on now....honestly it is looking more like a agenda to accommodate and justify the buy of Havertz at all cost.... I have no problem with him getting Havertz but don't change a winning structure just cos of him or looking for who to bench to accommodate him. It will not be funny for Arteta when the players themselves start believing this agenda.

Thank you. I think where there is misunderstanding is that we are not really conversant with the whole inverting stuffs. When we have the ball, our formation changes to 3-5-2 with one FB inverting. Zinny did it last season.

However, when Zinny inverts, the other must be capable of playing as the RCB. White played the role perfectly last season too. Also, he comfortably overlaps when situation demands.

This season, Arteta want to improvise and try the right side which is why Partey is playing as RB. We don't have a RB similar to Zinny. Timber was brought in for this but unfortunately he got injured. TBH, he was not that impressive in the role in preseason.

Now, if Partey inverts from the right, the LB must be someone who is comfortable as a LB as well as a LCB. Timber, Tomiyasu and Kiwior are perfect for this role. Gabriel can't overlap which is why he is getting benched. Timber is injured and Tomi is suspended...this is why Kiwior started today's match.

I really hope some of us understand this and stop having the insinuation that Arteta is tweaking the team to accommodate Havertz.

I think he is just trying to be flexible and be unpredictable that's why he is shifting to the right.

Jodera:
Omorr, I wan cry when I see Viera. I was like "where is ESR?"
I'm one of his biggest critics but he surprised me today. Long may it continue.

You see that bolded too? Omorr, as I see that thing I been just remember you and Spy,I been dey wait for Una defence


NB: in one of your latter post, you claimed Arteta did no such wrong and that it was the players that fvcked up. Hopefully, tonight or tomorrow, I'll tell you all his faults in this game

It was not individual, it was fundamental and structural. I'll tag you!!

Vieira shocked everybody. The reason why I'm reluctant to join the blame-Havertz squad is because of time. Vieira is an example as seen today. I've said it that his reputation at Chelsea plays a big role in the lashing he is receiving now. Make we dey look.


Bro...I will really appreciate if you tag me on the post. Arteta definitely has his shortcomings but today, the players let us down.

Make una rest all these Nwakali's talk...it is getting nauseating. Fine his team conceded 4 goals in 20 minutes. Was he the only one on the pitch? Do you all expect him to just carry the ball and score for his team?


Make una die the talk and discuss something wey make sense.

Jodera:
We saw how Viera, alongside Nketiah and Zinny came in to change the game.

Talking about Viera, we saw how he shone through with quality today. His off the ball run was what resulted to the penalty we won. We no need stats or coach's eye or go analytical school to know what he brought in today.

We saw that quality assist he gave to Nketiah and his overall play making arsenal play better. We no need go coaching school to understand what he brought in today's game.


But if na Havertz, we go dey need spiritual eyes to understand wetin him dey bring.

Omorr, this season no suppose long but Arteta just wan scatter everything

When I see Vieira coming in, e remain small make I throw away my phone. However, the guy really surprised me. Na that overhead kick shock me most. I was like, did Arteta exchange Tbag for the Vieira during off-season?


That said, I've refrained myself from going deeper concerning Havertz because I don't want it to be as if I'm making excuse for him. The guy vex me today...there was this pass he received between the line..all he had to do was turn and give final pass but may guy passed back to Rice who was already marked by two players. However, I wouldn't make early conclusion on him.

The only Arteta's fault I can pinpoint in today's game is leaving Gabriel on the bench.


He put a good team on the pitch but the players didn't turn up as expected.



To be candid, he is getting all these criticisms because he played Havertz. Nothing else.

I believe emotions are currently high na why everybody dey shalaye up and down. Even me sef, na vex I take switch off my phone after that match. Now the reason why I asked that question was because the players shares the larger blame if not all.


Someone here said Trossard was not in the game. Arteta made a sub and brought in Nketiah.


When he brought in Vieira, majority here were displeased but the guy created two goals for us.


Ode and Saka were messing up our attacking moves. The former was even attempting wayward shots throughout the game when a simple pass would have been a better decision. Saka gave them an early assist but the coach is to be blamed.

Martinelli? Man was running like headless chicken.


Partey? Man failed to play to instruction throughout the first half.


Havertz? That one need spiritual cleansing


He brought in Jorginho to try and control the match at least see off the match but Zinny had other plans.

So I will ask again, what did we expect Arteta to do again?

I just want to ask a question.... what exactly was Arteta's fault in this match?

All our front 5 just switch off... wetin dey occur na?


I don talk am, that intelligence and decision making is why Saka will be rated ahead of Martinelli. Dude dey play old school football. Man need to watch Sanchez clips.

Deltamani:
Randy…….

Randy is not coming back. Dem don too frustrate am.

johnjunior39:
All this mumu experiment is what he would have done during preseason but no

Experiment? It is not experiment bro.

For Gabriel to play, Zinny must start. Every time we invert from the left, Gabriel starts. From the right, he sits.

Kibbs:
Well, what do you notice?

See the way she carried him sef

lovewins:
No na. How exactly should she have resisted? Go see the video again. They were all in celebratory mood while receiving their medals. Hugs were shared and out of the blue he kissed her. She couldn't have anticipated it and they was nothing to resist cause the kiss lasted only a few seconds. She only would have realised what happened after it did.

Mind you, I'm not questioning your motive, I only drew our attention to the language we use in expressing events like this. Without knowing we subtly put some blame on the victims (again I don't believe that's your intention).

I understand you bro. Maybe I was wrong to term it 'bait'. Sho couldn't have anticipated it.

Kog45:
Oga Mostob,Maduka invitation na agent thing,yes we need keeper but go to regional league to pick keeper is insult to super eagles brand,well it work for Maduka cuz his profile increased and now Udinese keeper,hope he turns out good but fact he is not talented.

Well...if you say so.

lovewins:
Of course the issues between the Spanish federation and the women's national team is no hidden issue. 15 members of the team excused themselves from the team to make. Point (with only 3 recalled), so of course there were issues. I however think that use or the word "bait" will be inappropriate. Except otherwise proven, what the Spanish FA boss did is assault. He did it in the open view of the entire world so it's not like he was "seduced".

Funny thing is, Jenni wasn't even the one who initiated all this outcry, it was a press person who witnessed this and felt it was odd that asked her during their post match . We have too many women in this kind of situation all over the world, so we shouldn't give me who do this an out under the guise of them being baited. (I know that isn't your intention though).

I'm the one who used the word, 'bait' because I feel she could have resisted or at least struggled when he attempted to kiss her. Not that I'm justifying his action but you should be able to understand.

Amedino99:
I understand but then looking at it now , okoye's call up was kinda sketchy. Why go all the way to the lower leagues of bundesliga just because we were in dire need of a gk?.

It was a gamble bro...it just didn't work. Moreso, we can rule out the height factor too. If Maduka had turned out good, nobody would have blamed him for the invitation. My issue was why he kept playing Maduka when he was not even better than Uzoho.

TheGoodJoe:
Ola Aina could comfortably play as a left back. Adeleye was doing fine in Israel and was overlooked by Rohr for Maduka Okoye who was an amateur.

It was a gamble bro. The goalkeeper position was open then. How many coaches before Rohr called up Osigwe or Adeleye who were playing in the first division that time?

As for LB, we needed a left footed traditional LB then. Ebuehi and Aina are natural RBs.

Saka vs Bassey later in the afternoon.

Gonna be exciting

Danielnino00:
Literally every leadership position in this country is as you described it: "useless"..

It is depressing. Nothing works in this country again.

Danielnino00:
Clearly,there's more to the matter than just the kiss.. like you said, the kiss was a bait... The man should kuku resign and save himself from further shame..

That being said, and I apologize if I sound sexist, but I've learned in life that many things about women are usually complicated and controversial.....

You don't sound sexist bro.. I think it is a general knowledge. Women are complicated. Make we just pray not to jam the one wey go ruin us.

Any coach that will want to succeed with our national team must be ready to work for free. The federation is just useless. As a coach, it is either they share your salary with you or you give them the right to alter team lists. If you're the gentle type, they may even demand both.




So, if you can afford to work for free, you can exchange your salary for full control of the list. This will enable you to extend invitation to the player of your choice. That, if you're not corrupt yourself.