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I think 2face has a website. . . I think. The problem is its wack, it doesn't befit an artiste of his calibre. Some other artist actually have decent websites like D'banj, Faze, Dare and so on Eldee's too is not bad

@pheesayor

Y do u feel the need to argue You said yourself Akon said he didn't have a deal with faze so whats this obssession with hiphop world. Faze was the one that told everyone about the deal in the first place and they announced it, thats their job now Akon himself said he didn't have any deal with faze and they did their job again and announced it. Honestly I do not know the reason faze would have lied because it really doesn't make any sense but now we've heard the other side of the story from Akon. Does it get any clearer if it comes out of someone's mouth or r we to assume he was drunk when he said it

@zigbo

Here we go again!!!! Why should I be excited?? Why If faze has a deal with Akon, its a victory in my book because he's Nigerian. Just because I prefer tuface does not mean I'll wish faze anything but success. All I have been asking for is an accurate description of what went down. I'm so sorry this time around it did not favor faze but its the truth. Y should I be labelled as such because I demanded the truth. Its when u guys can't handle the truth u guys come up with all this hate stuff. Just show me where it seemed I was excited faze didn't have a deal.

@anusule

I think right now we're dealing with more than the website so the fact that hiphop world might be "wack" as you put it doesn't change what was said

Pheesayor honestly, need I say more? I do not understand what u've been arguing about since sha. U just wrote what u heard Akon say maybe not in the same words but implying the same thing so why were u saying people were hating? Listen to jejelolatu, faze fans did not have anything to do with the faze/akon deal or lack there of so u guys don't owe anybody any excuses. You guys are just trying to avoid another clear proof 2face is better, just concede to this one and hope something way better comes up for him.

@sect

U always come back to where I started off. My question always has been "as successful as. . ." no place did I write that the remaining are not. If ur reason for his success is over-concentration then why did they just decide to over-concentrate on 2face? You talk like they just make their decisions from like a magic 8-ball or something

jejelolatu:
Enuff of all this hate comments,even if we must beef,lets do it nicely. I prefer 2face to face,no doubt about that, bt i also know evry song on faze's album word 4 word. its sad to think that this simple issue is causing so much rancour. Lets have fun talking music. No faze fan is responsible for this faze/akon thingy so no one expects u to have an explanation for it . Even thou we like 2face and u like faze,we dnt have to hate each other,because we all have one thing in common-WE ALL LOVE GOOD MUSIC. To all faze fans DO GOOD, and to all tu fans ONE LOVE.

Honestly, I love reading your posts. Thats the long and short of the story.

@concrete

That was a home run you really knocked it out of the park with that post

@pheesayor
Why does it have to be hate for the guy telling the truth. Its something he read somewhere and he provided the link. Its not like the guy made up a rumour and started spreading it. You guys have to examine that word, its simply thrown around too much where its not even necessary. Its true there is some other faze, he's a reggae artist. It doesn't mean I'm saying thats the one Akon signed tho. If u guys remember there was a thread on Nairaland that was saying faze did a song with Busta Rhymes, it was the other faze not our own faze. So thats the only reason Moodylady is saying there's are two "fazes". Its either no faze fan watched that interview or u guys are avoiding the question about what Akon really said. Only warfy boy, in the other thread, has been able to come out and say something. Pheesayor, how does a contract just go sour? Even if it did go "sour" thats not a good look for faze in any case. You also said u saw the interview, what exactly DID You HEAR Akon say?

Lets not make an issue of the source of the news or whatever. The only question right now is "Did Akon really say he had no deal with faze??". I'm talking about people that watched him say it. Thats more proof than any website, yankee, naija, reliable or not. According to heyo, he said he watched on mtv base and heard Akon deny it. That should be what we should concentrate on not random websites.

@sect
u're now coming back to say all i've been saying. Of course its not only talent, i stated it times without number that i couldn't understand the reason u guys criticize Kennis for doing their job but to give all the credit to the marketing and not the artist's immense talent is what I have a problem with. At least I'm glad u were able to mention the talent, something u've tried to avoid all this time. Back to the question. . . What exactly do u want me to ask? because all I have been doing is replying your theories/reasons/excuses with questions that would naturally follow.

Some of these posts are so funny, one of your faze fans just said I said "he's ain't good enough" and then he went on to say "he's good". What part of "good enough" don't u understand. He now went on to say for the fact that faze is even being compared to 2face at all means faze is good. Pls what does tell u about 2face himself? He just said it right there 2face sets the standard and I'm sure he didn't do it on purpose. . .

@sect

U said I should ask 2face fans the questions I'm asking you. . . Y should I ask them about your made up theories? You and some other guys made up all these reasons why 2face is successful so I'm asking questions wrt your theories. If I ask any 2face fan y he's so successful, I'm sure the replies would go along the lines of 2face is overflowing with talent. U said everything I say is connected to this arguement. Shouldn't it be?

@sect
u said no other person is as successful because they paid all their attention to 2face? It couldn't be because tuface is very talented. It had to be some other reason. There u go again giving every other thing props apart from the singer himself. Let me ask you something. . . So what is the reason for them concentrating on only 2face as u claim. Kennis is a business, they are out to make money, its not like they're married to 2face. If other artists had the potential to make them that much money y stop at one Pls I really want to know.

Jejelolatu

You just said it all but with all the sense u made someone is still going to come counter it with an unintelligent post. Its like arguing with kids with their hands covering their ears going "blah blah blah". I really hope faze doesn't come out with a third album crying

@Pheesayor

U claim faze is a better vocalist right? So why is he not more successful Hmmmm. . . Lemme guess. . . The Almighty kennis. Kennis is not the only record label in Naija making waves. All this pity tactics. . . "O its because of this or that". . . Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda, just admit it your boy aint good enough. People have different voices with different ranges some don't need that high note to produce their style of music. So just because 2face might not be able to scream like faze doesn't make him better. The fact is tuface has a good enough voice. High pitch voices do not necessarily translate to good music if not there would not be a lot of artists around and it would be opera singers ruling the air waves. The way u lock ur flows are important, the rhythm and I'm so glad u mentioned in one of your earlier posts 2face could flow better. Good voice with good flows makes a complete artist. U know what a nice voice without good flows does?? They sing in the choir in their local churches or they become back up singers.

@smile4kenn
It'll really be great if u can get him to come. Let us know ASAP. I have so many questions 4 the dude.

@pheesayor and sect

Just because u guys don't want to give tuface credit for anything u guys keep distributing the credits to everyother factor that made 2face successful apart from him. In doing that, u guys place so much weight on one thing that just makes it ridiculous. I'll give u examples from what u said. Like sect said the lyrics made the song, it now makes you go back to the lyrics and think really? these lyrics made such a world wide sensation. What about all the other people all over the world who r not Africans or not even black that just absolutely loves it. Its because the SONG touches peoples' hearts, the flow, the rythm gets u. Thats the reason there has been remixes like Polish Queen, and so on. Although u already contradicted yourself as golden boy pointed out. Pheesayor, you keep talking about Kennis, with the credit u give to those guys they should be like the head of Universal Music Group or so. What did they do? Was is not just shouting on radio & tv in Naija a couple of time? I did not major in marketing or finance but from my little knowledge that does not begin to explain the success of that song internationally? Lets be logical!!! You guys should not be in a hurry to post just because u guys want to reply the so-called "2face fans", think properly, analyse your post before hitting reply. Your quest to take credit away from 2face has made your posts very ridiculous and sometimes frustrating.

@smile4kenn
I do not doubt you have faze's number and you called him but what about the people that said they saw it on tv? I'm not even going to ask 2face fans so that we don't run the risk of getting biased opinions or views. . . but did any faze fan SEE this interview and if any did what did he say wrt 2face and or faze

P.S. - If Kennis were such marketing geniuses, why is that its only one of their artists that has made it that big? Forget making it that big. . . Y is it that no other artist on that label has recorded any success even close to that of 2face?

Yeah faze fans lets get back to the topic Grass 2 Grace is better than Independent. Its you guys in the beginning that started talking all this crap about 2face.
@sect
You say the lyrics made people like it not the rythm. How do u think they got to listen to the lyrics in the first place Do u think anybody would take time to listen carefully to the lyrics without the flows. If it was a poem then I'll agree with u but its a song, its all about the way it was sung. You can come out and say "yahooze" has a sweet melody but not "African Queen". Its all about the rythm and flows. "Ting-a-ling-a-ling" is not enough no make the huge hit it is without 2face's magic. Imagine "African Queen" rapped or sang by someone with a crappy voice. Like it or not, 2face made that song. Lyrics are important but flows and rythm make songs into hit. One black professor from GWU once said if socially conscious rappers/singers want to be heard maybe they should come up with better beats and flows.

@Pheesayor

U just keep changing the story as it suits you. One minute its faze was in the background thats the reason he's not so big then u come back and say he took the first verse. Which tells me if faze was that talented he shouldn't be in the situation he is in. The other time I asked how old u were and u took offence, can u see now I'm not the only one asking You say 2face was given chances and opportunities like he was just sitting in his living room and people decided to work with him for his fine face. People work with u because they want certain results. They'll only call on you if you can deliver those results. There are no free rides anywhere. When u said they're not on a level playing field, what do u mean? Didn't they come out of plantashun boiz together? Why did they overlook faze to work with 2face? Why is it still happening. You keep referring to faze as this diamond in the dirt What dirt He came out of plantashun boiz for goodness sake not just some que-que secondary school band. If thats not a good enough resume to get him where he's supposed to be then nothing would get him there. All this pity tactic is probably why you think he's so good. he did it himself and so on. No one does anything themselves, understand that now. Faze has achieved no doubt, maybe more than people expected but think about it he was part of one of the most successful groups to ever come out of Nigeria, he's on his second album now, he has least been nominated for Channel O. Pls what more does he need to get out that dirt Examine that rock well it might not be a diamond after all.

@Playmate

I said something to pheesayor one time that he misunderstood, I wasn't even trying to insult him and when he pointed it out, I used a whole post to apologize and re-word my statement. So this one u're saying we don't admit is not true and that was just a misunderstanding. U say I hate this dude, can u pls point out stuff that shows that. I always write what I know down no matter how hard it must be to hear unlike many faze fans that just love swinging dirt 2face's way. Lies, excuses, accusations makes up most of the posts. As I said earlier pls point out stuff I've posted to show I hate him.

@Sect

To be honest, I dunno why hiphop magazine would lie and even worse I dunno y faze would lie because that'll be a shame and then I thought people said they saw it on tv. Wikipedia is a reliable source most times but not a 100% accurate because its user edited which means almost anyone could go there to edit articles. The way you can get accurate artist info is to go to the record label website.

@Faze Fans

Pls pay attention to your posts and see who really hates the other guy. You guys NEVER give props to 2face where its due. Its always everyone else that made him successful apart from him. Oo its Kennis that buys his awards. Its blackface thats responsible for "african queen". . . saying stuff like people like the lyrics and not the rythm. R u kidding Really So why has ur boy not come out with better lyrics to make a hit song if its all about the lyrics. A writer writes down a song and they want a particular person to sing it. . . y do u think that is Blackface himself came out and said they co-wrote the song and u called him a liar. You guys should just admit it, u don't want the truth because then u have to face reality. Then to say the album itself wasn't good is just denial of the highest order. No one commended the album? I mean thats a lie. All the songs in there were hits, Beenie Man did a remix with him, Akon chose "ole" as one of his best songs and so on. Where was faze's first album, lost in history, even Channel O nominated as a new-comer. The fact is "Face 2 Face" is one of the best albums that has come out of Africa lately. Deal with it!!! You guys make up lies and excuses everyday to demean this guy. Whether u like it or not the dude is successful and he's still climbing higher and higher. Everything good about 2face is dishonest and no big deal but everything about faze no matter how minor has to be the gospel truth and is the biggest thing has ever happened. Go check out the words HATE/BEEF and read your posts again and see who it really refers to

@Moodylady

Thanks 4 that I dunno y some ppl just want to get a rise out of other ppl

@Who Cares
Do u really know anything about these guys? 2face born with a silver spoon? Wow!!! Thats new. I have come to the conclusion u guys argue with sentiment. You guys keep talking about how faze came from nothing. . . Get over it already. Its his second album. I think u guys saw faze as someone who could never make it and now with his little achievement you guys blow it out of proportion. Lets stop using this "faze alone" mentality to keep judging faze. He used that song to gain attention, it worked so lets move on. All these artists worked their butts off to get to where they are. Its not like anyone of them has Clive Davis or Berry Goddy for fathers. These guys started out the same way but obviously talent and being good at what u do make some soar than others

@Playmate
Pls whats all the name calling 4, we've been able to go 53 pages without insults. Its when people have nothing else to say they start all these rubbish. Whatever I write down or have written down has not been to hurt anyone. These are singers somewhere doing their thing, we've just stated who we prefer in so many ways even if its to make wise cracks from time to time. As moodylady said I think some of you guys are battling yourselves. Why would I have beef for faze Pls gimme one reason. Y would I have hate for faze fans. I have friends all the time that we argue about artists, today is 2pac and biggie, tomorrow is Beyonce is prettier than Kelly and vice versa. No hate anywhere, its all friendly arguements between hopefully cyber-friends. PLS DON'T START WHAT IS NOT THERE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY.

@whocares

Its so funny how faze fans feel comfortable giving every other person props apart from 2face. . . It was all blackface's effort, r u kidding When it comes to it everyone associates the song with 2face if you guys like it or not. 2face co-wrote that song and laid the flows which is what makes the song so beautiful. As far as Kennis goes, pls what did they do than to shout on radio or TV a couple of times. Do u really believe thats what made "African Queen" such an internation hit? Do u really believe that? Lets not decieve ourselves pls. The song was popular all over America without anyone hearing a squeak from Keke or D1. I have asked this b4, lets be sensible, what kind of power do u really think these people possess

@Sect

B4 going to into moodylady's last post. Even if he chose faze b4 2face the fact is he just kept him on the shelf and stated interest in working with someone else. That to you can't be an achievement. It simply means faze wasn't good enough and he had to bring 2face in. Lets not forget 2face was still under Kennis when faze signed his so called contract with Konvict so its possible Akon then just chose what he thought was the next best thing.

Finally to Moodylady's post. . . Is that not just sad? Faze has made some desperate attempts to appeal to the international crowd but if Akon really denied any contract with faze then thats really pathetic. You guys keep talking like faze doesn't market himself. His marketing strategies have just failed miserably. What do u think the rumour about the contract was supposed to do The videos he made what do u think they were supposed to do Its just gets sadder and sadder everyday for this dude. U guys are comparing him to someone that is on his way to fast becoming an African Icon, to someone many artists both local and international take their hats off for. Faze was nominated for Channel O award as a new-comer and u're trying to equate him to someone that has already made his mark in the hearts and minds of everyone.

I love how the nairaland poll shows Independence is better but record sales doesn't do that to you guys. Its time to get realistic

@ All Faze fans

LMAO. . . Your posts are so funny. . . You guys are sounding like broken records, scratched cds and mp3's soaked in water. Just follow your compadre's example, warfy boy, and just write down your concession statements too, on the other side of the aisle tho Moodylady has written down her victory song. . . lol. I love the use of the word "bad belle", no one is bad belle-ing nobody, these things we write down are facts, these are things that happen. Its not like anyone is wishing this, it happened. Even if Akon is planning to work with both of them, y did he need 2face? Its because of the talent. Thats a direct result of the talent right there. Pheesayor obviously I have not had the luxury of listening to the interview but can you please tell me what he said exactly about 2face & faze? Think about it awards, wealth, concerts, collabos, and so on. Tuface has surpassed faze in all these areas, what more does it take to prove this guy is better? Those are the different results of talent and u guys still claim the other dude is better. C'mon guys!!! Talk about fan base, 2face trumps him in that aspect too. Wyclef came and 2face carried most of the song, Beenie Man came and did a song with 2face, Akon came and signed faze and now came back to say he's working with 2face not to talk of numerous collabos from local and African artists. What more? Honestly, to say the only award faze has won in a while is the only credible award is nothing but sad and then to turn around in the same post and say the category 2face won is baseless in the same "credible award show" is even sadder. U guys are getting too sentimental with your posts.

@playmate

Please lets stop all this faze hate. It simply doesn't exist. I can't hate the dude, maybe I pity him sometimes. In fact the ones I pity the most are the fans that keep defending this dude and keep getting stomped. If u did not notice, my post was directed at faze fans and not faze himself. Please do not start another thing that it means I hate faze fans, we do this for fun and games and it just feels good to win once again. So it was just one of those "In your face" posts, no harm intended just fun and games. I hope I do not have to say this again, I DO NOT HATE FAZE. I have no reason to, this is just a friendly, harmless debate. I wish the dude all the best in life. Right now tho, Tuface is King!!!

@Jejelolatu

U just said it all. I really do not want 2face to sign like a contract with Akon. If he's just working with him on a project or like a song then thats cool because at least it'll boost 2face's reputation and popularity. As far as beef goes, I have said it times without number I can't even have beef for faze because theres really nothing to beef. I really hope things r still good with his contract because he needs it. The fact tho is 2face is a superstar, he's bigger than faze is. This comparism is really unfair. Even warfy boy, a die hard faze fan broke it down.

@playmate
You didn't remember 2face huh? Theres no way anyone is talking about naija music without mentioning 2face. Lets forget that tho, its irrelevant. 

Faze fans it must SUCK so bad!!! Damn!!! Your one guy that was supposed to lift your dude out of obscurity even chose 2face. Wow!!! Please can anyone tell me what he said exactly. When I told u guys AKon came on stage and asked tuface for an encore after his performance in London, u guys didn't listen. I also told u guys that when Akon was doing his list of best African arists he picked 2face and he didn't even pick his own so-called artist. Didn't u guys detect there was something wrong there? Whats going on with faze, people? I really hope his contract with Konvict is still good sha and he just wants to work with 2face for some reason. Faze fans, I want to hear from u guys, let the excuses start rolling in.

@tosinadeda

Pls what is hip tv or is there anyway I can get a website? I just enjoy giving these people concrete proof so that they won't argue too much. If Akon is working with 2face, i really feel sorry for faze and his fans because that was the little bit of hope left they were holding on to.

2face is old fashioned huh? Thats the reason some songs in faze's album sounds like he heard 2face's album and did his own e.g. "see me so - letter to my brother", "one love - need somebody", and so on.

Yeah I'm not even going to get into labeling any of these guys biggie or tupac. That being said, lets take a look at tupac & biggie tho'; the level of their success were comparable when these artists were alive thats the reason the rivalry was so huge and "successful". Their album sales were very very similar so when u guys come out and say wealth or album sales doesn't matter, think again. In this case we're dealing with a very successful artist and a-not-so successful one with a lot of excuses to make up for his lack of success. So again lets forget labeling them biggie or tupac. Faze aint no tupac, tupac had the money, the popularity, the power, accolades, and loads of stuff to show where is talent had gotten him so did biggie. The result of faze's talent is a bunch of excuses why he's so unfortunate.

I like that one "luck", you guys would mention every other thing in this world responsible for this guy's success except he's immensely talented. My professional practice professor once told me luck is what you make of it. He's lucky and he keeps getting luckier and luckier everyday right? So to u guys where does that luck run out and his hard work and talent kick in. Does it ever? No good luck comes without hard work. No successful person in the world can ever say they got where they are without a little bit of luck. That was an indirect quote from Larry King while he was talking to Katie Couric, these are two people on top of their game, and both agreed. That luck though, doesn't come without being good at what you do, without hardwork so pls lets just throw that word out of the window right now. Wherever faze is in life some luck got him there. Tuface is great, he's talented, he touches people, luck might be one of the ingredients but not the main factor.

Just because tuface has not signed with a foreign label doesn't stop him from being better, he has toured this country with sold out concerts, his name is on everybody's lips, he was interviewed by a news station when he was here which means his presence even here was felt. He has enough buzz to be signed by a record label over here but maybe he has his own plans. The dude is definitely more marketable over here than faze but it might not be in his best interest. Craig David was big when he was in the UK, there was a rush to bring him to the US and he hasn't attained that much success ever since. 2face would definitely want to work with people all over the world but maybe he's still ironing out the details. Blackface has signed with Black Wall Street which is a company owned by The Game, does that mean he's better too? 2face might actually still be shopping around. Lets wait and see, remember he just left Kennis.

Lets keep comparing them. . . Glo Campus Tours Vs. Sold out concerts in foreign exotic countries. Gimme the forex anytime.

Its so funny how these guys want to reduce awards to nothing. Charly Boy probably made his money by getting into other stuff apart from music. To be honest, I do not even remember any of Charly Boy's songs like that not to talk of anyone that deserves an award. Nobody is saying they award u according to wealth. Awards and wealth are things that come with great work. Some have one without the other. Artists that have both possess something special, it means u're the best at what u do and u can make money off it. Lets not reduce awards to something less meaningful. Artists, great and small, spend months getting ready for award shows, they pray to get this award, and when they finally get it, some of them can't help bursting into tears and praising God. Some of these guys have already attained wealth but the award just validates their impact, their effort and stamps them in the history books forever. Lets not pretend awards are no big deal. I'll say this again, in this case where we're dealing with two talented guys, what other ways are we to determine who is better? I say awards and overall success, you guys say nairaland polls and some other stale polls. Good Job!!!

P.S. - As far as charly boy's and tuface's wealth I really don't want to get into it because I really don't know whats in their respective bank accounts. Lets be a little bit analytical though, theres no way Charly Boy could have been richer than 2face based solely on their singing careers. In determining wealth, I know Charly Boy had a house in Gbagada (don't know if thats where he still lives) and if my memory serves me correctly, it was just a decent house, nothing to it apart from the bike he hung in front of his house. Then I think Okocha won BBC African Footballer of the Year 2003, thats an award right? An elder brother is an elder brother but lets not lie if the younger brother is richer he gets more attention and respect from people maybe not on the family dinner table but people tend to gather round success.

@pheesayor
Do u really want to make that point about the people surrounding faze being brainless? Because your point right now is that D'banj has a smart handler/manager. Again not comparing faze & tony just talking about their situation. Also are u trying to convince me it was because of a show on AIT I liked/knew those songs? C'mon men. Those songs were all over, tune to OGBC and u'll hear them. Those songs were just simply hot. Didn't they have artists like rukus and so on?

Ok sect, my point with Tony Tetuila was he was the least popular in his group and rose out to be the most popular/successful out of all them. I used him because faze was in a similar situation and pheesayor was using that as a reason as to why faze might not be as successful as tuface. Of course just because you're the most successful in something does not mean u're the best. NO ONE can ever be the best in anything, you can be number one tho'. I'm sure u'll have found people that would have argued they knew this & that person somewhere and if he was given the chance like Jordan he would have been better than him. So no matter what u do and no matter how well u do it, people would always find someone better. Both of these artists have talent no doubt, its not like we're dealing with a soulja boy and a jay-z, again we'll never agree on who is better but tuface definitely has something faze doesn't make him as successful. So right now we're dealing with two talented artists and the only way we can seperate them is level of success. This issue of "African Queen' its true thats what made him so huge and he deserves it, he laid down the vocals, the song is so beautiful and he deserves to build on it. Michael Jackson till tomorrow would still be referred back to thriller and its not because thats the only good song/album but because it broke so many records the same as 2face.

@Pheesayor.
I'm here o, I actually thought I posted something already, guess I didn't hit reply. The whole thing about faze being a lesser known member is another excuse. Lets take a look at Tony Tetuila he was the least known member of Remedies. In fact he was just a dancer but look at him now he's the most successful of all of them. Do not tell me anything about Kennis because I was around when "Omode Meta" and "My Car" came out and it wasn't Kennis that made me like those songs. If faze has that "thing" he would have been much more successful than he is now. He has no reason not to if you claim he's that good. I have given u two examples of two different artists that has been in faze's situation. D'banj had no major backing and now he's all over and Tony Tetuila the least known member of his group now the biggest.

@Pheesayor

I didn't quite understand that. . . Will I do what if i was given the chance? You know what u argue for faze no matter what sha. You said D'banj won't be anywhere without Don Jazzy and where do you think Don Jazzy would be without D'banj. Although faze claims all this independence. . . do u think he does it alone? Everyone needs someone to get anywhere in life. Eleshin's point is just u guys claim tuface promotion this & that and now D'banj that was also in the same situation as faze or even worse because at least faze had plantashun boiz to lay some kind of foundation 4 his career. In fact just a couple of years ago D'banj was just a regular dude in jand trying to make music. So y is it faze thats under achieving? Things happen 4 a reason, no one is out there to get faze or keep him from succeeding per se. The market has spoken and as far as I know the market is one of the best determinants to show the quality of a product. Quality drives demand

@Baro
I do not need to go back. I said stood out was some backstreet boy type dance moves and if you think that was a compliment then thats not my fault. I mean this is 2007, I don't think anyone would still think I meant those dances were still cool.

@Pheesayor
You just hit the nail right on the head, they market him that much because he makes them money, even you described it as more than they expected. Why was he able to make them that much money? I keep saying it there is nothing wrong with aggressive marketing, maybe Kennis does it in an irritating manner but every artist, actor or business desires unlimited promotion. Google bought youtube from the creators for over $1b. Why do you think they bought it? Because they know they can take it to another level. How were going to take it there? Marketing, promotions but Youtube was such a great product it would sell itself? No they still had to market it aggressively and its only companies like google with their billions that could do that. Then again no major company is going to market your product without the product turning a profit. A product has to be great to turn a profit for a multi-billion dollar company like that. Although kennis is obviously not a multi-billion dollar company the aim in any business is making money thats why businesses big or small look for that great product. Tuface is a great product thats why they market him like that because they know they'll make their money back and turn a profit. They don't market tuface for his fine face after all even Kennis has his own sister on his label. The guy is just great thats all!!!

@Pheesayor

I apologize for that, I really didn't mean to sound insulting, its something I really hate doing especially on the Internet. The reason I asked for your age (didn't mean to be insulting also) was to kind of guess what point in life u might be because u were arguing about marketing and promoting which are basic stuff in everyday work/business life. I enjoy your posts and comments so I'll never diss you on purpose