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Sorry Ms. Rockatation!

I know the debate is over.

MRbrownJAY: the Bible clearly states that a woman should SUBMIT to her man, and therefore that "could" be a reason why some men want to assert their authority. it is written in any bible, just pick one and read it.



of course the Bible doesnt say anything about men asserting their authority, because for that same Bible, men have authority and women submit to their men.



my point was very simple:
- if we use the BIble as the supreme judge, we are right to assert something that the Bible say it is our RIGHT: authority over women.

- if we use history as the supreme judge, we can clearly see that having authority is the reason why the marriages of our forefather were so successful, and the reason why the marriages of today are failing (since now women want to be independent and equal)

- if we use independent women as the supreme judge, then we have what is happening today......women divorcing for flimsy reason, wanting to be equal and bringing chaos to a model that was working perfectly for generations and generations...all in the name of Beyonce and independent women, lol!



everyone knows that in any hom.osexual r/ship, there is a king and a queen (aka a man and a woman)......

I am sorry did you mentioned where in the bible that said MEN HAVE RIGHT TO ASSERT AUTHORITY AND SUPERIORITY OVER WOMEN? We both agree that it said in the bible that WIVES submit to thy husbands...BUT WHERE DID IT SAY MEN HAVE RIGHT TO ASSERT AUTHORITY AND SUPERIORITY OVER WOMEN MR. MBJ Take your time...I will wait!

And because a RELIGIOUS BOOK SAID SUBMIT TO THY HUSBANDS...it applies to everyone INCLUDING NON-RELIGIOUS FOLKS!!!!! ABSURDITY!


LMAO@everybody knows....there are people who never met a homosexual couple let alone know anything about them. I have homosexual friends and they do not call each other kings and queens. Stop making up shit!

Don't confuse drag queens...which are entertainers to the make up of homosexual relationships!

Oh that right MBJ...You know every divorced couples and YOU WERE THERE WHEN EACH OF THEM WENT THROUGH A DIVORCE PROCESS! I can't argue with someone who WITNESSED IT ALL!

If anyone would believe that a submissive woman will NEVER BE DIVORCED IS MORE FOOLISH THAN YOU!

One more thing....the world is predominantly ran by MEN and yet WE GOT MORE PROBLEMS THAN yeast infections!

brokoto: I thought the debate has ended? Why are you guys still arguing na? Una get egos sha. . .

I wanted to whoop 2buff's ass!

You don't have nothing to say Dont8?

You gotta get the bible to talk huh?

sexkillz: [color=#000030]Hmm. . .
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You thinking huh?

[quote author=uj_sizzle]Whiny males. Tut tut not such an attractive trait for the male specie.[/quote]

MRbrownJAY: you should know better......MBJ dont need the Bible to make such a point. my stand will remain that men should assert authority (if it is not handed to them naturally) because there is a need for a head in any union, in order to not have chaos, and men are better suited for such position.

His team members stated that the bible is the reason why men should assert authority and superiority over women and I disagree. MBJ and NONE of his team members couldn't logically and realistically prove why men should assert authority and superiority over women in relationship. As I have stated relationship isn't just marriage...there are ALL TYPES OF RELATIONSHIPS.

Secondly...I have no problem with women giving their PARTNER permission to assert whatever over them BUT MY ARGUMENT was did God say that men have the RIGHT to assert authority and superiority over women? There is nothing in the bible that my opponents love so much that stated such!

Just because one or two women accept a man asserting superiority over them doesn't mean that it is UNIVERSAL RIGHT for other relationships and my opponent said his mother think it is ungodly as if she is the supreme judge!

What about men in homosexual relationships? Do they both assert authority and superiority over each other since it is a man's right to do so according to my opponents?

Come on now! Let be real!

MRbrownJAY: how can you look down on the blue team's individual victory?! THE WHOLE VICTORY is what we were aiming for, but we will settle for half of it, lol!

Be proud of your 2 extra points boo boo! If you don't who will!

[quote author=uj_sizzle]I have no idea what you're talking about when you say 'all round winner'. The moderator declared the opposing team winners of this debate by points accumulated, don't know why we're arguing this.

On the plus side MBJ, i have to give it to you....you're good. Great job[/quote]I guess according to him...since the opposing team didn't get first place...red team didn't win.

Yeah..he was good at not proving why men should assert authority and superiority over women in relationship. Oh wait! Because man was created first in a revised religious book....it is a given right to assert authority and superiority over women.

Wow! Onila has convinced me she is a virgin!

MRbrownJAY: even if the difference was for a tenth of a point, it doesnt really matter. the important point here is that, although it was a team debate, we all argued INDIVIDUALLY, did we not? so our individual gold shouldnt be dismissed.

again you ladies are focussing on the wrong stuff, the red team was declared the winner WHILE MBJ was declared the winner of the INDIVIDUAL CATEGORY.....why you gals dont want to see that? its clearly written on Sexkillz post.

Bottom line...the Opposing team WON and you won by 2 points! Whoopeeee deee doo!

Clap for yourself...and get over it.

MRbrownJAY: ^^^^I am very glad I was able to make ONE person change their views on the subject, as this debate was not easy at all.

@Uj-sizzle and Mrs C
how can the RED team declare himself the all round winner?! you won the team prize, we won the individual prize. whats this talk of 2 beats 1?
ok, look at it this way, your team won gold while ours won silver..... and MBJ won gold, while Uj-Sizzle silver and Mrs C bronze in the individual prize.

@Dont8
you didnt let anyone down, you did what you believe was your best at the time, and thats all that matters to the BLUE team.

I forgot some people need visuals...2 opposing members were PLACED VS 1 supporting member PLACED. GOT IT?

This wasn't an individual debate...if it was then it would have been Person 1 vs Person 2 not opposing TEAM vs supporting TEAM. As the moderator stated...RED TEAM WON. Get over it.

Secondly...okay you had the most points by 2 points pass Uj? Is that a huge feat? No. You act like you had 100 points pass Uj! I sure did get bronze and I was hitting my opponents HARD and they didn't place on the podium! Even when they fed off what you wrote!

ijebabe: I think I've had enough intense reading to last me till the end of the year!

Let's have a one month gap for the next debate please....with new judges

Well done everyone

sexkillz: [color=#000030]Final Scores

Supporting Team:

MRbrownJAY - 615.35 points
Ayobase - 539.04 points
Dont8 - 437.85 points

Total - 1592.24 Points

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[color=#300000]Opposing Team

Uj sizzle - 612.30 points
Mrs Chima - 590.03 points
candygosh - 537.59 points

Total - 1739.92 points


The opposing team wins. . .[/color]

[color=#000030]On individual category, MRbrownJAY wins with a total of 615.35 points closely marked in second place by Uj sizzle with a total of 612.30 points and Mrs Chima in third place with 590.03 points.

Congratulations everyone, and thank you for your time and researching efforts. It is well appreciated.

Thank you also to the judges. It's quite tasking to read and award marks. Looking forward to working with you again. . .
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Thank your Mr. Moderator and congrats on a job well done. I am naming the baby after you.

Jugdes....thanks for your time as well. Have a koala nut on me.

dont8: LOL!

But there is no winner, because Team Blue aptly represented by MBJ won individually.

My sincere apology goes to my Teammates for letting you guys down, but as you can see, I was only judged by one post against two am entitle to.

Looking forward to doing this again albeit, time consuming though.

Cheers.

Two beats 1.....

[size=55pt]YAY! GOOOOOOOOOO RED TEAM! [/size]

Even with low points...I still whooped my opponents' heads!

cindyrella: And you think I am igbo?

To him...everybody is Igbo.

True loff!

He is Indian.

JallowBah: Wheres the indian?

Up there in the picture.

[quote author=uj_sizzle]lol don't murder your keyboard o. I'm too tired to think of participating in another round[/quote]It was very time consumjng and no more live debates for me!

I comment my reserve.

Why is an Indian man representing a white man

While i was dating....my hubby was saved as potential suiter #1

One thing women should know before marrying an Igbo man is that he loves women and money better than his mummy!!

Look at Ikeking getting all defensive!

Six months of traditional courtship where people werent acting like they were married and getting to know all potential suiters on a platonic level until a winner is chosen.

Mbj..dont raise ur voice at me!

[quote author=uj_sizzle]wasn't that the final round we just completed? Thought twas a 3 rounds debate.[/quote]I saw someone typed fourth round....but i am glad thoughcis China was getting suspicious with my long and fast typing! Lol!

sexkillz: [color=#000030]She is not igbo. . .
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To him....everybody is igbo.

Thanks for my points unbiased judges and good work opposing team..

I hope we do not have a week long final round...if of course i am in it.

ayobase: The President also needs a vice for assistance. The Vice President will not act unless the President gives the green light. This is no different from Man and Woman. The Woman supports as directed by the Man when he is away from home. God is good planner and a perfectionist.
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''A superior man is an Earthling that needs God wholeheartedly.'' While Woman is an Earthling that needs Man wholeheartedly. Interesting! We are really flowing together.

You are on point here also. Just like Nabal and Abigail. The reverse would have been the case if she had confronted Nabal. I have not said that our Women are dumb or stupid. No man will want to marry a stupid woman either. Its like marrying a slave/servant!

Yes, yes, yes!
But she must submit to the final conclusion drawn by her Man. Even God relates with man, but you dare not stand in His way when He concludes!

Respect is reciprocal. A man will respect the woman if she stays under his authority (i.e. she abides by rules and regulations governing marriage-submissiveness)

And what is a disobedient woman in your book?
A wise woman that wants to get to her husband should be very submissive. Esther was a case study. Very humble and submissive. Nobody goes to see the King at that period, but she went in, and she found favour is his sight!

I didn't say the young, old, wild, and free lady is fit for a submissive wife. Don't misquote me. She might be of course, but not for a man that wants submissive, wise and responsible wife.
Men marry docile woman for purpose of peace in the home. Man doesn't want a nag is his home!
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In conclusion, Mrs. Chima, you should know that many of today's problems start from the family as a unit in the society at large. If the family is not put in order, then the society will suffer from a great setback.
Its like MrBrownJay, my team mate read my mind about the issue of Divorce.
Kudos brother!
The rate at which divorce increases in the world today as result of Women being not being submissive to their Men is very alarming, and this is weakening the system. Women, go back to your ancient path, and lets put things back in order. Civilization shoudn't be embraced in every aspect. That Mobile Phone, Internet, and Airplane are good doesn't make Nuclear Weapon, Gender Equality and Gay/Lesbian okay for embracement.
Believe me, there will be drastic and mind blowing transformation in families affecting the Society at large, only if Women would be submissive to the Authority of Men in their homes.
And my reasons for using scenarios in the Bible was because, the Bible contains no adulterated, controversial and compromising history, unlike controversial "Civil War in Nigeria" et al. The Bible's are accurate!
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Thank you.

Good Morning Mr. Ayobase.

Thank you for the pardon, it doesn’t matter if your three girlfriends are engaged and unmarried, they can’t tell your mother and I anything about marriage from a personal standpoint. From your mismatched stories, I would get better advices from a virgin nun.

My friend, a pastor of his own church with a congregation of 1,000 + members or more got the bible twisted according to you? You basically called a man of God, confused! You just proved atheists could interpret the bible better than Christians!
Even if I were religious, it still wouldn’t change the pastor’s statement that contradicted your mother’s thwarted definition of ungodliness. I was prepared to hear the pastor support your mother’s statement but to my surprise he vehemently disapproved the theory. By your own admission, I am non-religious, but why would I accept any religious epistles regardless if the pastor agrees with your mother or not? Do that sounds logical to you or do you know the definition?

According to you, the bible helped you grow in wisdom and knowledge but you stated that superior is synonymous with head and supports your mother’s theory of ungodliness. I guess I am going to hell in gasoline basket because I refuse to call my husband Lord. Even the bible states that man shouldn’t put wife above God and woman shouldn’t put husband above God. I don’t agree with majority of my pastor friend’s theories but the insights between the pair of you, I would go with the jilted pastor any day! No offense.

According to you, “Lord” has many meanings and it means head. Do you call the pastor of your church, Lord since he is the head of the church? Be honest.

What is a morally sound relationship? Christian relationship? Are you rejecting other religious relationships as being morally unjust? Is Mr. Ayobase’s morality inclusive to all people? I am sure thousands of people will agree with me when I say that you are not God, Creator, Most High, Deity, and Lord and your definition/opinion of morality means nothing to the public. Try again.

So, she wants to assert authority over the man because she paid his groom price. LOL! Then she should be ready to go back to her parents' house

I guess you fell asleep when you read my statement regarding marital culture in India. It is acceptable in India for women to pay groom price and have several husbands. I mentioned nothing of Nigeria so what is she going home for?

As usual, you miscomprehended my argument again, I stated that is it okay for an Indian woman to treat and control her husband because she paid groom price?

A spouse doesn’t have any right to mistreat their spouse simply because they paid bride/groom price. Common sense.

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color=#000099]I wish this system can be adopted in Nigeria to make the unserious ones among the ladies sit tight.
It reminds me of what a mother said to her wife during wedding, ''......Please Omotola, make sure you please you husband. Obey and respect him. Don't argue with him. Prepare his food at the approriate times, always satisfy him....''
You tell me what the mother was simply saying![/color]

The mother knew what type of husband her daughter was marrying and to keep her daughter from returning home and being homeless, she simply told her daughter how to survive in his home since in Nigeria everything belongs to the man. Let be realistic, if you have a house full of children to feed, you would plead your daughter to do whatever she can to survive. Thank you for sharing that message, I owe America a great deal of gratitude!

If I have to live in fear of being homeless or divorced simply because I wouldn’t allow my husband to treat me like a slave or Prisoner of War, I would rather live with Boko Haram!

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color=#000099]As you once said that some things happened behind the closed door. A man is not that wicked and heartless. Beating her without any reason, and you believed that? Hmm!
It still bothers me why you couldn't challenge your Pastor. Are you that easily manipulated?
Go have a heart to heart discussion with your friend to get to the bottom of her being beaten UNNECESSARILY[/color]

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Wow! A man beating his wife with reasons isn’t wicked or heartless? I hope your daughters will never have to experience domestic violence. It is sad to hear a man who claims to be religious supports such action. I guess all glitter in the bible isn’t gold. Hmm.

I don’t have a pastor and why would I challenge my friend when I simply asked of his opinion about your mother’s definition of ungodliness? I never said I support his disapproval and I think you need to upgrade your dictionary for the holidays. When did asking other’s opinions turn into manipulation?

And has God rested since the day He created woman? Nope, He hasn't. He is been fixing woman's problem right from the beginning.
Even in our society today, women contribute more to the vicious circle.

According to the bible, God rested on the seventh day and created woman when He saw that Adam was alone. Where did your bible say that God has been fixing women’s problems? What are women’s problems? Adam was dumb enough to let a talking serpent influence Eve to convince him to disobey God BUT YET God has been fixing women’s problems? Hilarity!

What vicious cycles are women contributing to? Prostitution? Abortion? Sexual Abuse?

A woman can’t prostitute without a male customer. A woman can’t commit abortion without having unprotected sex with a male and in many cases the hand of a filthy male sexually abuses these women. I guess according to you, these women deserve it because they are women! You speak well of your mother but spew misogynistic views. Strange.

I thought you said 1+1 in marriage equals 1.

I see math wasn’t your strongest subject. I said 1+1=2, 1+0=1, and 2-1=1 but I do apologize, I assumed word explanation would have helped you. Simple analogy does elude people at times.

A man has a right to assert authority on whose characteristics? Expatiate. A military man doesn’t have authority to perform arrest or did you meant police officer. I guess it is only applicable in Nigeria.

You finally agree that the President can’t function without the vice president. It wasn’t difficult to speak the truth huh? The vice president assumes the role when the president can’t carry on and successful husbands need strong wives to carry on. That’s fact!

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color=#000099]I have not said that our Women are dumb or silly. No man will want to marry a silly woman either. Its like marrying a slave/servant![/color]

You didn’t say that women were dumb per se but you carried on as if the man needs to control the woman because she is unable to assist in decision-making and shouldn’t question her husband because man knows more than the woman. If that doesn’t sound like a dumb woman than I am a virgin! When treating a wife as if she is inferior to you is treating her like a slave/servant.

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color=#000099]She must submit to the final conclusion drawn by her Man. Even God relates with man, but you dare not stand in His way when He concludes![/color]

Common sense will tell any woman not to disagree with a good decision or conclusion. Duh! If my husband enforces a decision that I disagree with, I will speak my mind and remind him that he is responsible for the consequences. Yes, the head is responsible for any decisions he make and should accept accountability without placing blame.

Respect is reciprocal. A man will respect the woman if she stays under his authority (i.e. she abides by rules and regulations governing marriage-submissiveness)

You contradicted yourself again, accordingly to you submission is a form of respect but you expect a woman to submit to a disrespectful husband? Rough day huh?

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color=#000099]And what is a disobedient woman in your book? Esther was a case study. Very humble and submissive. Nobody goes to see the King at that period, but she went in, and she found favour is his sight!

A disobedient man or woman do not honor their parents and defile the laws of the land. Esther is his wife I presume, she should obtain favor in his sight REGARDLESS! My husband should be able to come to me at any given time as should I come to him. I am not his servant nor slave.

I didn't say the young, old, wild, and free lady is fit for a submissive wife. Don't misquote me. She might be of course, but not for a man that wants submissive, wise and responsible wife.
Men marry docile woman for purpose of peace in the home,

I didn’t misquote you and I am not responsible for your penmanship. It is your responsibility to ensure effective delivery of your argument. You stated that wild and free women weren’t fit to be submissive wives and I countered that whores aren’t fit to be good wives even if they are submissive.

In conclusion, Mrs. Chima, Its like MrBrownJay, my team mate read my mind about the issue of Divorce. The rate at which divorce increases in the world today as result of Women being not being submissive to their Men is very alarming.

Pardon me for being intrusive, as a single man what do you know about the cause of divorce? Have you asked every single divorced couple the reason why they are divorced? No, you didn’t so your statement regarding cause of divorce is flawed and ill stated. There are many possible reasons why divorces are high in today’s society. Infidelity, finances, sexuality, religion, health, infertility, hardship, family meddling, lack of communication, lack of love, lack of support, lack of compassion, and lack of maturity. A foolish man will only divorce his wife or something as microscopic as lack of submission. A man that wants his marriage will fight harder and with his wife to ensure family success. Only a foolish man will blame his wife for his lack of accountability in the marriage.

How do you tell a woman who is barren who receives news that her husband divorcing her because she can’t produce children? According to you submission is the main reason why divorces are so high then why are cheating wives being gut like a fish by their angry husbands? Are you saying submissive wives do not cheat? Absurdity! You and your teammate MBJ may need to update reading materials because if that is your conclusion of why a man should assert authority and superiority over a woman in relationship then I understand why infidelity amongst women is off the chain!

I rest my case.

Thank you.

I would like the opportunity to respond to Ayobase's final argument whenever he post them.

Thanks in advance.