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OneJ:
"...his name is the word of God' Rev 19:13.
Jesus the word simply means that he (Christ) is God's spokesman or Public Relations Officer ,so to say. (Just like Moses, Joshua, Amos etc before Christ).

"In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways but in these last days, HE has spoken to us through his son whom HE appointed heir of all things & THROUGH whom HE made the universe".

" ...I do nothing on my own but SPEAK JUST WHAT THE FATHER HAS TAUGHT ME" John 8:28.

My Oga, this one no be rocket science. .

PS: I thought I had given my response in my previous reply. Pls kindly repost it.
Shalom.

OneJ, here are the few questions asked that you left previously unanswered.

I'll like you now to honestly answer them with bonus additional ones:

1/ If you agree that God is Spirit, and accept that God is someone or something that cannot be seen
how would you be able to manage tell what is it and who is it, on the throne?
2/ What image, visually do you expect, is to be projected,
in order for you to understand & your eyes to see, this someone or something on the throne?

Bonus questions:
What came first between the Word and Jesus Christ?
If you're married, what came first between you the bachelor and the husband?

OneJ:
MuttleyLaff, your correction is noted. Thanks.
U agreed that "the lamb is subordinate" ,therefore," the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world", Jesus Christ (John 1:29) ,"the unblemished & spotless Lamb" (1pet1:18,19. Rev5:6) is subordinate to God Almighty, his Father,who gave him authority & power etc (John 17:2).

MuttleyLaff, contrary to your claims, the Lamb is not God Almighty himself.
"The kings of the earth.. called to the mountains 'fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne (The Father) and from the wrath of the lamb ( Jesus)!. For the great day of THEIR wrath has come...." Rev5:15-17.

"Salvation belong to our God who sits on the throne, and to the lamb" Rev7:9.
They are separate entities.

Your analogy to PMB & the office of President is very weak.
God Almighty,Jehovah himself is Supreme,beyond par excellence. Therefore, not accountable to any subordinate. But "Christ is of God " subject to his Father. 1cor 3:23.

Your brain & heart no go agree. But your eyes see the truth... Lols

Is your word not subordinate to you?
Who does the uttering, you or your word?

OneJ, answer those earlier two simple questions in my previous post too now

Perfectbeing:
Giving to the poor, widows and orphans cannot save you or put you right with God.
Even the Pharisees did that.
The pharisees followed every part to the law to the uttermost.
They prayed to God, tithe, fasted, gave to the poor.
They even left grains in their farms for widows...

If doing good was all you need to be right with God, the Jesus wouldn't have died. God would simply have said "whoever doeth good deeds and giveth to the poor and orphans and widows shall not perish but have everlasting life".
But no that's not what God wants "he wants you to believe in Jesus and you will not perish but have everlasting life." Jh 3:16.

According to Jesus in John 6:29, the work of the father is this; to believe in the One He has sent.

Acts 10:1-48 tells us about a man named Cornelius. According to the Bible Cornelius and his household were "devout and God-fearing...gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly" but his acts of good works could not save him.
God acknowledged this works of his and didn't wanted it to be wasted.
So he sent for Peter to preach about Christ to Cornelius and his household.

Cornelius believed and then he was saved.
My brother, if Cornelius had not believed and he kept on doing his good works, he'd have died and gone to hell.

Now I'm not preaching against doing good works of Love. I do give whenever I can.
The Bible clearly admonishes us believers to do good to others and give to them.
To love our neighbors as ourselves.
But if you do all this righteous deeds without believing in Jesus Christ you're not in right standing with God.
Remember, "the righteous of man is as a filthy rags to God".
Jesus is the righteousness of God.
The only way to be at right standing and faultless with God is through Christ and Christ alone.

Can you please quote James 1:27 here
to see what it says about religion that is true, pure and faultless before God's eye?

olumite2014:
You don't have to understand what you speak in tongues.
You're not communicating to humans, you're speaking in heavenly language.

Is that really so,
that you don't have to understand what you speak in tongue(s)?

Is this a fact and biblical truth that you are speaking in heavenly language?

Please think this through very carefully
and then provide biblical evidence to support and prove the truth of all you typed up here.

Primesky:
That does not change the person.
Stop trying to twist the scriptures.
When Gabriel came to deliver the message of God to Zachariah and Mary,
did he assume the names and titles of God because the words were from God?.
Gabriel distinguished himself from the person of God.
Take note that he came to reveal something, just like Jesus revealed to John.

Luke 1:19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.

You people can never deny the person of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 1:17
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead.
And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me,
Fear not; I am the first and the last:

1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen;
and have the keys of hell and of death.

Jesus distinctively described himself.
Was God the father the one who died, and rose again?,
so why trying to add to the scriptures what isn't there all in an attempt to justify the wrong believe of who Jesus Christ is?.
Jesus Christ is the visible image of God, He is the word of God, the love of God.
Now tell me, what is the difference between your word and yourself?.
Can you send your word on an errand?.
The whole thing is that you don't believe in the Holy Spirit,
and that's why you find it difficult to understand the word of God.
If you deny the place of Jesus Christ in the God head, you don't believe in God!.

Maamin:
Yes! Though my word can be very similar to me.
The difference between my word and myself is that, I am the source of the word, am bigger than my word,
my word can't be bigger than me the source.
When I utter a word It means i just send my word out of me on errand.

So shall My word be which goes forth from My mouth;
It shall not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire ,
And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it.
- Isaiah 55:11

I will bow down toward Thy holy temple,
And give thanks unto Thy name for Thy mercy and for Thy truth;
For Thou hast magnified Thy word above all Thy name.
- Psalm 138:2

You can respect your word, you can value your word, your word can carry substance or carry weight,
you can send your word on errand to accomplish things for you
and that the word not return void back to you without achieving that you sent it about

Word, is and can be, so powerful,
that by mere obeying the prompt of the Word, standing on the Word and focusing on the Word,
just like the Peter did, one can do, a once in a lifetime, out of this world, extraordinary and supernatural thing

TimeMachine:
There are billions of Gods if not more. Always remember that.
What ever nomenclature you want to use, always remember that Divine Spirit is not a being.
The Creator is not a Being also. These are where religions have confusions.
They just throw words around and confuse their members.

You will have to step outside religions to begin your journey. That is a great hindrance. You must take the narrow way.
Religion is the broad way that you were warned against.
You need Spirituality, not Religion.
It is an individual journey. No one can do it for you. I wish you luck.

Yahweh passed in front of Moses, calling out,
"Yahweh! Yahweh! The God of compassion and mercy!
I am slow to anger and filled with unfailing love and faithfulness
- Exodus 34:6

But thou, O Lord, art a God full of compassion,
and gracious, longsuffering, and plenteous in mercy and truth.
- Psalm 86:15

If anyone wants to do religion at all, to do it the right way
then compassion, is the religion, on record, deemed pure and faultless to do

Toks2008:
All these rhetoric for what really?
ust say to write dey hungry you cos all your ecclesiastical rant does not nullify my stands but you just presented it in a deeper way.
Writing that it is the holy spirit and not speaking in tongues that energizes...biko no vex..
i actually forgot it is the holy spirit who is responsible for tongues speaking...oversabi.

Good night Pastor I.T.K

Languages others don't know may mean something to unbelievers, but not to the Lord's followers.
Prophecy, on the other hand, is for followers, not for unbelievers
- 1 Corinthians 14:22

So you see that speaking in tongues is a sign, not for believers, but for unbelievers.
Prophecy, however, is for the benefit of believers, not unbelievers.
- 1 Corinthians 14:22

"I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves", someone said

"Shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them." is what Luke 9:5 advises

He doesnt want to face the truth, that's why the truth is a bitter pill for him to swallow

Good night dearest brother, I will say a simple prayer in English for you tonight

Maamin:
Perfect

When we become fully enlightened knowing God's original intention for us, transcendency is just the beginning of our Spirituality.

The Spirit is like the All Spark, Gem Stone, Mother box of life.

TimeMachine:
I have no idea what that means though, because the word God, does not do justice to the Intelligence Infinity, The Creator.

The meaning of the word God, carries the import that
God, is the Uncreated Living, Intelligent, Omnipresent, Self-Supporting, All-Powerful, Authority, Influence Self-Existing being cant be boxed up.

TimeMachine:
There is so much confusion in the world today, because of Religions.
They mess things up for Humanity.
There is a lot I can say about this, but I dont wanna through some light on Lucifer and how he got all the Religions in place.
All religions and I mean all, were set up by him.
Truth is that Allah is God, Jehovah is God yet they are controlled by a Solid State AI, Metatron owned by guess who ? Lucifer. But Jehovah was an enigma in the Abrahamic days, he demanded lots of human sacrifices and wage wars against the Philistines through Israel. And even declared that he is Almighty God. So, I assume when you mentioned God, it is Jehovah you were referring to.
There are many Gods my friend, and your Mission on Earth is to clean your Temple and go through the Dark Nights of Soul to purge out all your Karma and become God Realized. When you experience what being God feels like, even for 2 minutes in your life time. The entire creation will open up before you.

It goes beyond religions and the Sciences. It is a step further than that.

"Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this:
to look after orphans and widows in their distress
and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world"
- James 1:27

"Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means
caring for orphans and widows in their distress
and refusing to let the world corrupt you."
- James 1:27

James 1:27 provides useful and interesting information on the type of religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless
James 1:27, clearly specifies, what genuine, authentic and faultless religion is

Well, actually, the word "religion" has changed its meaning from originally being benevolence, thoughtful consideration and generosity for other people in need.

Yup, compassion cuts right through Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, New Age etcetera
I doubt you've ever asked about someone's belief or unbelief first before giving your compassion?

If anyone wants to do religion, then compassion, is the religion, on record, deemed pure and faultless

Whatever the front,
the truth and fact is, what is fronted as pure and faultless religion in today's world, isnt it

Religion that is pure and faultless, is about not, how regular one prays, is not about regular congregated attendance,
Religion that is pure and faultless, is not, about wearing hijab or burka
Before what the world has become today, a priest & levite (i.e. "church" worker) had been known to slip up on what pure and faultless religion is

Anything less than practising pure and faultless religion, is not true and so thereby is false religion

Perfectbeing:
I've been seeing things deeper than the bottomless pit since morning...

Isaiah 43:2a is your ancor and succour

Perfectbeing:
But I must say this.
The only way to God is through Jesus Christ.
The mystery of God has already been revealed in him. All man didn't knew about God before has been explained in Christ.

You guys keep saying God can't be contained in a box.,
or narrowed down in the Trinity..
But guess what? God was contained in Christ. The fullness of God dwelt in Christ. Jesus is all there is to know about God.

No one to my knowledge used "contained" or "narrowed down".
The correct words used were "cant be limited" and "cant be restricted" to trinity
God can be and is, I AM... fill in the blanks
Unlimited freedom to be whatever He chooses or deems fit to be

Perfectbeing:
The complexity of God is simplified in Christ.
The unknown of God is known in Christ.
The mysteriousness of God is revealed in Christ. The invisibility of God is visible in Christ.
The distance of God has been drawn closer in Christ.
The nature of God has explained in Christ.
The love, mercy, compassion of God is shown in Christ.
How far God was willing to go for us is shown in Christ.

Any other mystery of God you wanna that is not in Christ will lead you into darkness.
Any other means, be it science, be it another religion.
Apart from Jesus you will never ever ever know or understand God.
Jesus is the light that illuminates God. God can't be seen, known, felt or grasped without Jesus..

Think about it. If any other way existed for man to find God, God would never have wasted the blood of Christ..
If Science or another thing was a way to God, Christ wouldn't have come to Earth.
C'mon guys, Jesus wouldn't have bothered going through those shits he endured on the cross for us.
It seems you guys don't understand what Jesus endured on the cross - what God had to go through for man to know him.
If we do, we won't think of thinking of another way to Him.
God kept using the prophets of old to tell us about Christ.
He sent John the Baptist to prepare a way for him.

Please guys, I beg you to forsake that ideology of "transcending" or science of yours.
And look unto Jesus. Your lives actually depends on it bro.

Bless you all... And happy Sunday..

One word that sums up God is Humility,
and Jesus Christ is humility personified

Toks2008:
Some people just speak in tongues
but do not have the interpretation

When you dont have interpretation, to what benefit, to what end, for what purpose is it reasonable to speak in tongue(s)?

Toks2008:
but I do and I know exactly what say in tongues...

How do you know exactly what you say in tongues?
Is it because what you say in tongues, you in an instant & immediately interprete it?

Toks2008:
remember that the devil does not understand the language

Is this a fact and biblical truth?
Please provide biblical evidence to support and prove the truth of this.

Toks2008:
neither can he read our minds

Neither can the devil understand or know what you say, think or pray in your mind

Can you hear your thoughts inside your head?
Neither can the devil hear your thoughts in your head or what you say in your mind
You see Toks2008, we give the devil too much credit.

Toks2008:
Speaking in tongues simply means in other languages

If by your own admission, speaking in tongues simply means in other languages,
then how many of these languages have you identified that you speak in?

Toks2008:
but when we speak in tongues we speak beyond just languages but mysteries that GOD understands.

For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God.
Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.
1 Corinthians 14:2 NIV

For if you have the ability to speak in tongues,
you will be talking only to God, since people won't be able to understand you.
You will be speaking by the power of the Spirit, but it will all be mysterious
- 1 Corinthians 14:2 NLT

For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God:
for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries
- 1 Corinthians 14:2 KJV

You've misinterpreted that verse
If anyone speaks to another, in a language only he knows and speaks
then such person is speaking mysteries only God understand
as the other doesnt and wouldnt understand what the one speaks

Toks2008:
The holy spirit leads you so you can speak in different tongues at different times

Out of curiosity, do you believe that Holy Spirit is also in the business of leading one to write prayers in tongues?

Toks2008:
It energizes your spirit man...
we have the spirit and soul living in a body and because speaking in tongues is spiritual, it awakens your spirit.

Create in me a pure heart, oh, God,
and renew your right Spirit within me.
- Psalm 51:10

Toks2008, you have this whole matter warped up.
It is the Holy Spirit Toks2008, that energises the spirit man.
It is the Holy Spirit that awakes your spirit
It is the Holy Spirit that reinvigorates your spirit

The soul is impoverished, if the spirit man is cut off from the Holy Spirit/God
The soul is at the mercy of the flesh, if the spirit isnt receiving broadcast signals from the Holy Spirit/God.
When you're tuned in to the Holy Spirit/God, the Spirit relays the will of God, thats feds into the spirit man
which then passes this off to the soul, after which the soul distributes to the body (i.e. relevant and/or appropriate five senses)
Our five senses are: sight, smell, hearing, taste and touch
and the organs for these five senses are the: eyes, nose, ears, tongue and skin

3 John 1:2, says:
"Beloved, I pray you to prosper concerning all things and to be in good health, just as your soul prospers."

The soul prospers, when the spirit man is awaken, plugged in and charged(ing) up by the Holy Spirit/God

Speaking in tongue, does not, you Toks2008 a believer, awaken your spirit.
It isnt, as you're already a believer, for you or for your benefit,
but is, for the benefit of the unbeliever(s).

Perfectbeing:
Deeper than the bottomless pit

Is this a case of, for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks and the fingers type?

Maamin:
Lol...the bible is forever true

Its content are more desirable than gold--than an abundance of pure gold
and sweeter than honey dripping from a honeycomb

Maamin:
I will try to make out time to discuss the beginning in John 1:1
In respect to Genesis 1 as well.

That will brilliant
Holy Spirit will be on standby, ready to be help if or when needed,
as like earlier said, it easily can make God, more complex or less easy, to understand.

Maamin:
How are you today?

I am blessed
How about you.
Your smiling and laughs are infectious

Maamin:
You see, that is because he is infinite.
We keep knowing him everyday, he is new every morning.

Yes ooo
God is, "not-known-number" of persons
God, then, is, x-persons
and God, in effect is, ∞-persons, as in, infinite

''I AM that I AM'', ''I SHALL BE THAT I SHALL'' or ''I WILL BE THAT I BE'' are expressive phrase
God will be what God needs to be. We find out what God was yesterday, we keep knowing Him every moment and day
He is new every morning, He is new tomorrow

Thats why, God in Exodus 3:14, said to Moses:
"I AM WHO I AM.
This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

Maamin:
When God decree he says Be and it will be, or exist and it will exist in Hebrew (Yehi wa'yehi).
that is, his Word materialise that which he utters.

For example putting myself in John 1:1

In the beginning was my word, and my word was with me and my word is me.

That is, that my word is in fact me, because no smallest distinction could be made between me and my word.
It was all that the beginning holds it starting point.
I wish I can take you deep into the study of John 1 In the beginning.
To learn the Ayin, Ayin sof,
The Secrecy of Transcendental Knowledge, something Timemachine is telling you that might sound alien to you.
Knowing science is in fact knowing God too.
God is the greatest scientist there is

"When you go through deep waters, I will be with you.
When you go through rivers of difficulty, you will not drown"
- Isaiah 43:2a

Maamin:
Lol...you are really working yourself up on this. Yet you don't even grasp the John 1:3.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him(the word/Jesus); and without him( the word/Jesus) was not any thing made that was made.

Now listen carefully, the Word/Jesus came out of or was with ONE (God the almighty creator aka the father)

Nothing meaning everything else, be it angels, humans, heavens, earth in fact the universe, materialised through this word/Jesus that also came out of the one who was with/possess or who sent out the word/Jesus to perform all things (God the father).

God the father remains standing gidigba as the one and only.

I would have totally agreed with all without demur,
if not for knowing, what in the above comment, easily can make God, more complex or less easy, to understand.

sangresan:
So, for opposing Awo, he was treacherous?

Or you don't know the meaning of that word?

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^{Senator Rowland Stephen Owie}

"When people talk about June 12,
June 12; June 12 has no meaning.
June 12, is the repayment of evil for MKO Abiola
Whatever you sow, you reap

Yes, let me tell you.
Before anyone can say that the annulment was evil they should answer four questions.
Number one, who was that politician that brought what was called the Maroko land deal to limelight?
Who was that politician who used the Maroko land deal as an albatross on the neck of Chief Obafemi Awolowo?
Who is that Nigerian or group of Nigerians who went to Obasanjo
and connived with him and removed the Electoral College act from the decree of 1978?
Who is that politician or group of politicians that aided the military
to take over the government of President Shehu Shagari in 1983 after the NPN convention?

Who is that politician?
Who is that politician that aided the military in disqualifying all the major candidates of SDP and NRC?
I say if they can answer it and the answer is negative for MKO Abiola, then the annulment of June 12 is evil.

But if the answer is yes and it’s MKO Abiola, the annulment of June 12 was the best thing that happened
because you can’t plant mango and reap yam"
- Senator Rowland Stephen Owie
Read more at: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/06/annulment-was-payment-for-abiolas-evil-deeds-sen-owie/

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^{Prince Henry Odukomaiya
pioneer Managing Director/Editor-in-Chief of Concord}

"...Then NPN was in government
and he wanted a newspaper that will oppose the Tribune.
One of the major plans of Abiola was to be in opposition to whatever Awolowo stood for...

I told you that Abiola used it to fight Awolowo and all he stood for.
He also used it as the mouthpiece of the NPN whenever it was convenient for him"
- Prince Henry Odukomaiya,
a former Editor of Daily Times
and pioneer Managing Director/Editor-in-Chief of Concord
Read more at: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/07/odukomaiya-80-abiola-fought-everything-awolowo-stood/

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^{Late The Ooni of Ife:
Oba Okunade Sijuwade, Olubuse II}

"Abiola was one of those who did not allow Awolowo to reach his goal
and that is partly why we are suffering today.
That is why Yorubas are suffering today.
If Awolowo had made it to being the president of this country, this country would have been great.
Abiola had been planning to be president for 20 years
- Late The Ooni of Ife: Oba Okunade Sijuwade, Olubuse II
Read more at: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/08/oduduwa-revisited-the-story-of-ooni-okunade-sijuwade-olubuse-ii/

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That is me, using an imaginative or sensitively emotional style of expression,
so in a more poetic manner, I chose to use the word treachery
Abiola was treacherous because of the presidential ambition he nursed, his conduct, towards Awolowo was deliberate and calculated

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PS: naptu2 I couldnt post due to "Insufficient Permissions" flag message on the "It Begins With Me" thread
You posted:
"Man! I just suddenly became very hungry in less than a minute. Body shaking.
Everything that I can eat at this moment in time is illegal, except bananas and that won't take me anywhere.

I'll have to send someone to get cookies.
Can I make two threads in one day? It seems I need to.

I was going to make a post before my body started shaking, but now I need to change it into a thread.

By the way, I think I know why my body was shaking.

I ate around 6:30 when I came back from the bridge, then I took my drugs around 10 o'clock without eating again"

Naptu2, do you know that banana is one of the fruits we are advised not to eat on a completely empty stomach?
I until a few weeks ago, wasnt aware too,
as I lused to love having bananas with pitted green and black olives in spicy marinaded oil, first in the morning.

Apparently, the high amount of natural sugars present in bananas that boost energy could also make you feel drained after a few hours
I guess the sugar nose diving triggerred your body shake

Toks2008:
Its like a spiritual exercise...
you get energized and you can take the devil in battle head on...such a wonderful experience...
the best part is that i have an understanding of my tongues.

1/ You say:"...the best part is that i have an understanding of my tongues"
So you do have full understanding of your tongues?
2/ How many tongues do you speak?
3/ What is tongue(s)?
4/ Why is it like a spiritual exercise?

naptu2:
But according to Fela himself, the origin was in the contract dispute.

There were a lot of disputes between Fela and Abiola.
There was the issue of the murder charge, the issue of feaces that was dumped at Abiola's home, the issue of Abiola asking Fela not to sing certain songs (Fela always talked about that at Shrine), all the songs that Fela composed against Abiola, but according to Fela, it all began with the contract dispute.

And Fela should know better than anyone else.

Sorry I meant to type after and not before earlier
It festered after the contract dispute

naptu2, we are talking of handwritten letters that went back and forth between Abiola and Fela
that Segun found in a file, titled, "Fela", in his late father's chambers

It all began when, Abiola threatened Fela, that he will deal with Fela, by finishing Fela musically
That is, make Fela extremely poor and lacking the financial means, musically, to provide for himself and his dependents
That was a threat Fela didnt like nor took too lightly to
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naptu2:
On one hand Fela said that [b[he had not even heard of Abiola before the contract dispute[/b], but on the other hand you are saying that Abiola approached Fela to tone down his music before the contract dispute.

Note. My issue is not about whether Abiola asked Fela to tone down his music, because I remember that Fela had said, in an interview in the 1980s, that Abiola wanted him to tone down his music. My issue is, which came first?

Remember that Fela said that he had not even heard of Abiola before the contract dispute.

According to Abiola and Fela's legal representative, who happened to be Alao Aka Bashorun,
according to the contents of the letters found in his legal library archive,
according to what his son Segun Aka Bashorun, found,
the origin of the feud between Abiola and Fela stemmed from Abiola sent on errand by the military then
to convey their displeasure to Fela's then latest anti-government song
and to let him know they arent OK with such songs

The evidences are in the Abiola and Fela letters going back and forth found by Segun
It was the "Army Arrangement" masterpiece according to Segun that the army was trying to get Abiola to stop that made Abiola and Fela arch enemies

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naptu2:
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This, in Fela’s own words, is how his dispute with Abiola began.
This was just after his house was burnt down and he said that he had not even heard of Abiola before this series of incidents.


Culled from ‘Fela : This Bitch Of A Life'
By Carlos Moore (1982).

http://www.maziabeidris.com/?p=1218

Chief MKO Abiola of ITT took over Decca and drove out Mr Booth, the white man who was managing Decca. The white man wanted me, so they drove him away to London. Then Decca started giving me horrors.

First I must tell you that, before my house was burnt down, Mr Booth had told me I was popular and that Decca wanted to sign me. But that he was afraid ‘cause people were saying I was a hooligan and things like that. They were telling him that I wouldn’t deliver. So he was afraid. When he talked to me though he said he liked me and that he wasn’t afraid of me
- Fela excerpt from "This Bitch Of A Life"

Thank you my dear friend naptu2
We are saying the same thing,

You see according to the above excerpt, unbeknowst to Fela, Abiola had bought shares in Decca to become the major shareholder in Decca West Africa Limited,
This put Abiola in the position to not only own and control Decca but to also call the shots
Fela made some anti-government protest songs, the military approached Abiola, being now owner of Decca, to tame his stable

Fela didnt know Abiola had taken over Decca West Africa Limited, and in effect, had become the Chairman of Decca Records
and when Abiola came to him to pipe down with his anti-establishment lyrics,
Fela went like or something like that:
"Who are you, I am a conscious musician, you cant tell me what to sing or not sing, you can't dictate to me..."

This was before the contract fiasco, where Fela had said:
"That was the first day I ever met MKO Abiola. I didn’t even know the man existed."

Emotions flared over trying to censor and suppress Fela,
Fela told Abiola to go to hell.
Abiola told Fela, he Abiola will deal with Fela and musically make him a destitute

That's how the battle line between Fela and Abiola got drawn

Naptu2 you know too well that,
the former President of the Nigerian Bar Association (NBA) Late Alao Aka-Bashorun SAN was the lawyer for both Fela and Abiola.
He was the legal representative for both of them.

It was during when his son, Segun Aka Basorun, was going through his dad's library archives after his death,
that he came across transpired letters between Abiola and Fela
In was in these letters that the feud between Abiola and Fela was unveiled.

Segun said he had since given those letters to the Anikulapo family after stumbling on them

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Dokitadotun:
Honestly speaking if you have not been speaking in tongue,
you may be missing something serious here.
Some people believe it's not a must to speak in tongue after baptism in the Holy ghost but the bible is clear.
I feel this inner peace and joy after speaking in tongues for hours.
Just try it out.
It sweetens soul. It energizes you from within.

realmindz:
Nothing as sweet as self deceit....

cezarman:
Blabbing for hours
Una really get strenght oh!

#IfYouKnowYouKnow

OboOlora:
Op, something is wrong with u!
I actually started reading this until I got to the PRP bit and decided to scroll down and saw the long epistle all because of Abiola!
Same Abiola that Fela the great prophet sang about in ITT?
Please save the long epistle and let the man burn in peace in Hell!

naptu2:
Do you want to read, in Fela's own words and from Fela's book, the origin of the dispute between Fela and Abiola?
It's a bit long (I've noticed that quite a few young people have problems with reading).

The origin of the dispute between Fela and Abiola, was as a culmination of two joint cases from:
"He who pays the piper/drummer calls the tune"
and
"dancing to the tune of a different drummer"

Fela with his protest songs was anti-establishment, the military took exception to this and wish have him muzzled.
The military pays the piper, and so Abiola had to dance to the Obasanjo tune drummed by drummer asking to check Fela excesses.

Similar to what Abiola did in going behind the back of the editor and ensuring that his paper National Concord published the apology President Babangida requested for publishing the article that was critical of the Babangida Government and sending heavily armed soldiers, SSS operatives and policemen to Concord Newspapers headquarters and Concord Press to arrest people and chase others away and seal off the premises,
Abiola as the major shareholder of Decca informed Fela he cant be going around making politically charged lyrics touchng on the government.
Fela wont have any of that, and similarly and just like those editors that resigned from Abiola's newspaper, he immediately told Abiola to go to hell.

MKO Abiola had acquired Decca West Africa Limited, and so used it to settle personal score and conflict of interest with Fela Anikulapo Kuti, and gave threats to Fela, to the effect that, he, MKO Abiola will finish Fela musically etcetera.

The battle lines between them, were drawn, from then on, so the origin of the dispute between Fela and Abiola and the rest is history

To be honest, MKO Abiola's story would not be complete without any mention of MKO Abiola's treachery to Chief Obafemi Awolowo, the president Nigeria deserved but never got

MKO Abiola used, Concord Press, to fight everything Chief Obafemi Awolowo stood for (e.g. publishing stories about Maroko land grab etcetera), similar way, MKO Abiola acquired Decca West Africa Limited, to settle personal score and conflict of interest with Fela Anikulapo Kuti, threatening Fela that he, MKO Abiola will finish Fela musically etc.

Not many know that, MKO Abiola and the military junta "paddy paddy" goes way back before the military and ITT days.
Take for instance this, whilst at secondary school, MKO Abiola was the editor of "The Trumpeter" their school magazine and Obasanjo was the deputy editor.
Fela's "Like Obasanjo and Abiola, International Thief Thief" masterpiece is an act of genius

Using Concord Press and his wealth, MKO Abiola did everything within his power to scupper Chief Obafemi Awolowo's chance of becoming the President Nigeria needed and deserved.

loveth360:
so why did yorubas betrayed him.

According to his daughter
"yorubas killed her father and share his meat"

3rdavefarms:
God knows the best why we never had MKO as our president

Karma has no menu.
What goes around, comes around
It's no surprise, MKO Abiola got served what he deserved

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bloodofthelamb:
MuttleyLaff, you and I know that calling mary the mother of God is not the issue here. They have turned Mary into a way to God. Mary now mediate for many souls.

This absurd doctrine the early church never practised it. Mary was silent as "k" in the word "knife" in the early days of the church. Do you know that Christ is also Lord to Mary?

Gggg102:
but to blueagent that's the issue.

"Mary, was the mother of incarnate Jesus only,
that is the son of God manifested in human flesh
and not the son, in His pre-incarneted form which is a spirit."
- blueAgent ©

Gggg102, is there anything incorrect in the above inverted commas blueAgent quote?
If not then, you see, we all agree with each other and are saying the same thing
Mary, is the mother of Jesus, the Son of God, however God as Spirit, has no mother

johnw47:
i call a spade a spade,
is that all foreman?

OK, I hear you. Yes Ali, that's all.

johnw47:
what makes you think you have any say about that

i don't exclude a person from my posts who think they are christians
but their words show otherwise, they are the worst of all, ring a bell mutt

No ones asked you to exclude any person from your posts
Save the combative style plus the name-calling for this infamous Religion forum moniker(s)

No, what bell?

johnw47:
what are you trying to say?

Exactly what I posted
plus save the third-degree for our regular and common customer
who is ever busy and still littering the section with garbage threads full of lies, falsehood, fantasy and wild imaginations.
Leading throng astray with the ludicrous make believe deception and laughable posts he daily churns out

bloodofthelamb:
Do not be afraid just believe.

Yes!

johnw47:
believe God's word, yes

Yes!

johnw47:
your false words, no

No!
Never let your words, interrupt the action, of God's word

bloodofthelamb:
Are you sick? Christ has made you whole.
Step into your wholeness through faith.

Fight the good fight of faith.

Yeah. Fight.
Take it back
Take back what the devil has stolen from you
Take all back

OneJ:
Maamim, these Trinity peddlers will keep twisting & distorting the scriptures for their own ends.
With out such, the carpet would be pulled off their feet sharp sharp..
It's so obvious that their heart is already foreclosed to the truth.

Trinity peddlers and/or any with vested interest in it, can look out for each other

OneJ:
" IT IS CLEAR THAT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE GOD HIMSELF, who put everything under Christ".
1 Cor15:27.
The Lamb was given access to the throne by the One who owns the throne, his Father, Jehovah (Yahweh.).

"For you (the Father) granted him (Jesus) authority over all people that he (Jesus) might give eternal life to all those you (the Father) have given him (Jesus)". John 17:2.

⁴However, when God our Savior made his kindness and love for humanity appear,
⁵he saved us, but not because of anything we had done to gain his approval.
Instead, because of his mercy he saved us through the washing in which the Holy Spirit gives us new birth and renewal.
⁶God poured a generous amount of the Spirit on us through Jesus Christ our Savior.
- Titus 3:4-6

Are you surprised over 1 Corinthians 15:27, John 17:2, Titus 3:4-6 et al?
Who, in all, who when the chips were down, did the donkey work OneJ?
Who wept?
Who, in the thick of our mess, gave up blood, sweat and tears? Hmm?
Does Jesus then, deserve or not deserve, being given these numerous accolades?

OneJ:
The Lamb is addressed as Prince (Isaiah 9:6) appointed heir (Hebrew 1:1,2).
Were such titles ever addressed to Almighty God at anytime? No !!

In the same Isaiah 9:6 where the Lamb is addressed as Prince,
the titles: "Mighty God" and "Everlasting Father" were also used for Jesus
Were such titles "Mighty God" and "Everlasting Father" ever addressed to Almighty God at anytime? Yes !!

OneJ:
Obviously, the Lamb is a subordinate.
When a man lies to himself, his only redemption is to speak the truth to himself.

Shalom aleikhem.

CC :
perfectbeing mutteylaff

But Yeshua answered and said to them:
“Timeless truth I tell you:
The Son cannot do anything of his own will,
but the thing that he sees The Father is doing;
for those things that The Father does,
these also The Son does like him.
- John 5:19

OneJ, of course, the Lamb is a subordinate.
Equally too, the Lamb, is an Angel. Sent on a mission. Answerable to God

PMB, the ordinary man, is a subordinate, compared to/with, PMB, the President
Both are one person, one man, same man, with a changing situation at a particular time

OneJ, here a few questions, I'll like you to honestly answer:
1/ If you agree that God is Spirit, and accept that God is someone or something that cannot be seen
how would you be able to manage tell what is it and who is it, on the throne?
2/ What image, visually do you expect, is to be projected,
in order for you to understand & your eyes to see, this someone or something on the throne?

Its MuttleyLaff by the way and not Mutteylaff, there are two ls and not one l, in the moniker

bloodofthelamb:
MuttleyLaff,
you and I know that calling mary the mother of God is not the issue here.
They have turned Mary into a way to God. Mary now mediate for many souls.

This absurd doctrine the early church never practised it.
Mary was silent as "k" in the word "knife" in the early days of the church

That's why I said I liked frbona's post with his frank and honest admission

bloodofthelamb:
Do you know that Christ is also Lord to Mary?

Why am I so honored, that the mother of my Lord should visit me?
- Luke 1:43

Yes, it is expected bloodofthelamb, that Christ is also Lord to Mary
Elizabeth in Luke 1:43 confirms this

Lord, is from the same root word we get the word Landlord from.

Same way, landlord is the owner of the land or house, so is, Christ, the Owner to and of Mary

tartar9:
Is Jesus God in flesh?

If yes,then they are correct in saying Mary is the mother of God-its simple logic. The fault is with xtianity.

Gbam.

blueAgent:
Jesus is God's Son not God himself.
Mary gave birth to only Jesus not God or even pre+incarnate Jesus.

With the exception of God,
no other spirit(s), whether good or evil ones (e.g. demons, satan angels, other celestial being) can, has or had become flesh (i.e. incarnation)
tartar9 is absolutely right that Mary gave birth to God and a human being
This is a first and last one of a kind thing

bloodofthelamb:
Why are you not refering David as the Father of God just as the Op pointed out?

³⁵While Jesus was teaching in the temple courts, He asked, “How can the scribes say that the Christ is the son of David?
³⁶Speaking by the Holy Spirit, David himself declared:
‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand until I put Your enemies under Your feet.”’
³⁷David himself calls Him Lord.
So how can He be David’s son?”
And the large crowd listened to Him with delight.
- Mark 12:35-37

David cant be referred to as the Father of God because of the cogent reason illustratively made clear by Jesus in Mark 12:35-37 above

bloodofthelamb:
Since, Jesus is also the Seed of David.

Jesus is said to be the Seed of David because courtesy of Mary's bloodline, He has a line of descent traced to David.

luvmijeje:
If being a son of God is not blasphemy then being a mother of God shouldn't be.
Please let's respect people's views about God.

Technically, and in a biological manner, she is the mother of God

Gggg102:
is Jesus not addressed as the son of David?
is Jesus not addressed as David's descendant?

yet David calls him Lord, because although he is David's son in the physical realm, he is superior to David in truth and in the spiritual realm.

same with Mary.

except you don't agree that Jesus is God.

bloodofthelamb:
I think we are on the same page.

That is obvious, we all are on the same page

About Jesus being addressed as Son of David, or Jesus calling Himself Son of Man, these are just titles.
The former, is describing Him as descended from a David seed via Mary
and the latter, attesting His incarnation, as being a male version, human being product.

I liked frbona's post. What a frank admission and honest comment it is.
Out of curiosity, what does the "fr" in "frbona" signify please frbona?

Movic1:
I don't know... Not a member of RCCG ..

If you know, you know.
Pictures don't lie
In pictures, he is always closely behind the G.O, and if not closely behind, then not too far away from the G.O. holding bag, bible or whatnot

paxonel:
ok,
That's good!
But this adeboye son, which work he dey do for living sef?

Being an ADC (i.e. Aide-de-camp) to G.O.

Perfectbeing:
Maamin said there that, the one on the throne is the Father, separating him from the lamb. Or was I getting him wrong? Probably I was. If I was accept my apologies..

Maamin:
When did I make the separation?

The bible said one sit on the throne, the Lamb came forth to collect the book from the right hand of the one who sit on the throne

Perfectbeing:
And I keep telling you that both the lamb and the one who sits on the throne are one and the same. Just with different manifestation. Just like the man who's a father, husband, brother and son is one Man explained in four lights.

Maamin:
This analogy does not hold much water...

For him to be called father he beget a Son out of him or from him.

Perfectbeing if you're keep telling
that both the Lamb and the One who sits on the throne are one and the same,
you need to make sure that what you're telling is in agreement and/or in harmony with "... father he beget a Son out of him or from him"