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JeromeBlack:
A lot of christians point to the fact that the infamous atheist duo of Mao and Stalin murdered thousands, as evidence that atheism is dangerous.
This is not only fallacious but it misses the point.

It fails to address the problem of evil.
If there is a god, why did he allow atheists like Mao and Stalin to kill thousands of innocent religious people?

In fact, these two guys went about their genocides like maniacs for a long time before they were stopped.
Was God just watching his people die?
Stalin's case is even funnier considering that he attended a seminary.
This means that stalin was once a religious man.
God let Stalin to move from his holy house into a murderous path.

Another thing to consider is that both Stalin and Mao had religious upbringing.
They were theistic during their younger years.
One could easily argue that it was religion that warped their minds
(even though it would not be an easy proposition to defend).

cc hahn, hopefullandlord, johnydon22, dalaman, frank317, vaxx, muttleylaff

delishpot:
God is suffering?
What blasphemy!

hopefulLandlord:
stop arguing with atheists, ignore us like you said you would
I wonder why you guys can't walk the talk.
I knew it would be impossible for you guys to keep up.
even the person that started it all spent sometime arguing with atheists on a topic of someone dying from CS few hours ago

Ignore us guys like holy spirit told your commander and encourage him to do the same

Thank you

budaatum:
Do you know that it is a sin to bear false witness?...

If you had been following the thread,
you will note that the person who claimed Jesus endorsed homosexuality
could not provide any evidence to support the claim despite him continously being asked to.
Those of us who asked swept him aside, go read what responses he got...

delishpot Page 0:
I don hear you. I do not wish for what I will be scared of.
I said Jesus would not support two men taking dicks in their asses.
Do you think otherwise? or have you listened to those new agers who claim that jesus was something else?

MuttleyLaff Page 0:
You'll be surprised Jesus assisted.

delishpot Page 1:
Keep dreaming and claiming whatever. I am not groping. I know what I know.
Jesus NEVER encourages sin

MuttleyLaff Page 1:
The world needs dreamers.
I dream of a better tomorrow

What you know, is an illusion of know

Where on this thread, have you read anyone say, Jesus encouraged or encourages sin?

Because of your fixation, your fascination with dicks in asses
The idea and thought of "men taking dicks in their asses" continually preoccupying and intruding on your mind,
prompted asking you the question:
What makes you think that gay sex has to, ALL be, penile-anal penetration or involve dicks in asses?

You've been shown up to lacking knowledge and a victim lack of well-informed awareness in general
that's why you've changed tune, to:
"Show me a gay couple that throughout their sexual relations never did anal penetration"

delishpot, you've grown tired of saying:
"Jesus would not support two men taking dicks in their asses"
and so now switched to:
"....how Jesus would have encouraged or enabled them..."

Can you now see, delishpot, how you're groping in the dark, desperately hoping, some way out, must be there for you.

I dare you.
I will soooooo much love to see you, in a thoroughly and detailed manner, leaving no stone unturned,
show pages from the bible, where Sodomy was rejected.
You mustnt only show but must extensively and in depth, talk about it all, too

delishpot Page 1:
Bla Bla Bla all I said is.....
Show me proof from the bible where jesus said being gay is acceptable unto God.

MuttleyLaff Page 1:
Show me proof from the bible where Jesus said being gay is NOT acceptable unto God.

delishpot Page 1:
Prove your stance or forever remain silent.
I aint gat time for your long epistles of quotes and breaking down.

MuttleyLaff Page 1:
delishpot, get a grip.
True guidance, is like a small torch, in a dark forest.
It doesn't show everything at once, but gives enough light, for the next step, to be safe

delishpot Page 1:
Show me with proof why I am wrong.
Show me in the bible.

MuttleyLaff Page 1:
You earlier said, you can show pages from the bible where Sodomy was rejected
but you went mute, when told, you mustnt only just show
but must extensively and in depth, talk about it all, too, as well

Please show, with proofs, why you're right with your homophobia.
Show from or show in the bible

delishpot Page 1:
What type of bible do you read again?

MuttleyLaff Page 1:
Same bible you read.
Everybody walks according to their pace

delishpot Page 1:
I will sound it from now till kingdom come that Jesus would never support two men or two women engaging in sexual act.
It is an abomination

MuttleyLaff Page 1:
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,
both of them have committed an abomination:
they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
- Leviticus 20:13

What exactly is the abomination here?
I bet you havent a clue, what the context of the abomination is, in that verse.

I know you love your catfish delicacies, know you love your lobster, know you love your crab soups, know you love your bushmeats
Should I throw in rabbit, also for you?
Now tell, delishpot, are any of the lot above, abomination enough for you, and so, not to eat?

The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man,
neither shall a man put on a woman's garment:
for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
- Deuteronomy 22:5

What of times when you put on your partner's chequered shirt or boxers?
Oops, look at what Deuteronomy 22:5 says about you. Tut-tut-tut.
The point here, is that we often throw words about, without understanding them
and unwittingly use them in our typical relaxed and unconcerned attitude

Moving along, Johanna Siguroardottir, Leo Varadkar, Xavier Bettel, Ana Brnabic, Shabnam Mausi, Elio Di Rupo etcetera
I almost forgot to chip in Alan Turing, too
delishpot, you know these guys, right?
OK, please tell, delishpot, are any of them not supported by Jesus?

You dont even know the context and what the original word (i.e. toevah) translated as "abomination" means

delishpot Page 2:
No gays should be allowed in the church unless they are new converts seeking deliverance

budaatum Page 2:
Let's try homosexuality.

MuttleyLaff Page 2:
Homosexual and/or homosexuality, actually is a word barely 200 years old.

The word "homosexual" was invented in 1868, and the word "homosexuality" certainly was not around in Biblical times

Suffice to say, it is glaring what Paul's "malakois" and "arsenokoites" in 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 are

budaatum Page 2:
Well, we are not talking about the word,
but the act itself which is as old as humans, probably.
As you said,
"People have been sleeping together with others, having same gender or sex, as them, long before the Greek ever did"

budaatum Page 2:
Did you know it used to be a highly valued act in the Greek society long before the arrival of Jesus?
It was not unusual for wealthy Greeks, and Romans, to have their favorite male on the side, and for centuries after.

It was considered beneficial for the young male who acquired a teacher and benefactor (a "sugerdaddy", effectively),
and for the benefactor who acquired a soyoyo of the male form.
However, there were always those who stood against it and the history of the Greeks and the Romans is replete with acceptance of homosexuality, and its non-acceptance, and the laws were written accordingly.
Britain is a classic example of this.

MuttleyLaff Page 2:
People have been sleeping together with others, having same gender or sex, as them, long before the Greek ever did
Jesus didnt stand against same sex relationship.
I am having misty eyes writing this...
Jesus was even willing to visit someone in a same sex relationship but persuaded it wasnt necessary
God is just too Good

budaatum Page 2:
I have no recollection of this myself.
But if true, its commendable that you mention it.
Source please

MuttleyLaff Page 2:
It is true.

Do you think, I made up that:
"Jesus was even willing to visit someone in a same sex relationship but persuaded it wasnt necessary"

The source is the bible

budaatum Page 2:
I first thought Muttley posted it,
but he doesn't write so clearly so I searched and found its source.
Next time do include links please. People get vilified on here for plagiarism.

Personally, while I don't think the Bible mentions the act of homosexuality
certain verses have been pointed out that it might.
If it implicitly was against the act, that would have been its death as people become more tolerant and unacceptable of such bigotry and narrowness.

budaatum Page 3:
I'd like to see that evidence too muttley.

In all my reading about Christ, I can't recall him engaging with homosexuals.
They don't seem to have turned up in the New Testament until Paul started ranting about them.

MuttleyLaff Page 3:
Truth crushed to earth is truth still and like a seed will rise again, says Jefferson.

"Did you know it used to be a highly valued act in the Greek society long before the arrival of Jesus?
It was not unusual for wealthy Greeks, and Romans, to have their favorite male on the side, and for centuries after"
- budaatum ©

"It was considered beneficial for the young male who acquired a teacher and benefactor (a "sugerdaddy", effectively),
and for the benefactor who acquired a soyoyo of the male form."
- budaatum ©

"No Israelite, whether man or woman, may become a temple prostitute."
- Deuteronomy 23:17

There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land;
the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the LORD had driven out before the Israelites.
- 1 Kings 14:24

Committed, faithful, honest, lasting life time same sex relationships have been there from time immemorial Bud
Bud, Paul wasnt ranting about that.

What Paul was ranting about was the infidelity, promiscuity and the cult practice of having sex with patrons as a form of deity worship.
This custom was rampant and happened in the Old Testament in the lands before the Israelites arrived too.

Bud do you remember the screenshot I pasted
The one about with Leviticus', showing, what, is an abomination unto you and what, is abomination, to God
The screenshot clearly detailed what these are

We know Leviticus 20:13 is Leviticus 18:22 and vice versa
Paul actually re-echoed them with 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9,
because the problem which isnt about same sex relationships with fidelity
but something else entirely, reared its head with the Gentile

There is this strong common thread through Leviticus 20:13, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and it ties them together
but it eludes the most astute

Peoples perception of the matter isnt what they think and learned it to be.
First step, will be, to review 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9, and look into what "malakois" and "arsenokoites" really means,
just as I earlier advised 9inches to do just that
but he opted to plastering that Catholic magazine entire article here instead.

Milk cow(s) alright but make your own cheese
Dont offer bottled milk, passed on, as if yours

The epiphany of what the "the detestable customs that were practiced"
in Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Timothy 1:10 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 were, will occur, after the review

It is an insufferable practice
and that's why God is reprehensive about the detestable custom being practised

It's the only ONE reason that this sexual sin,
that this particular sexual immorality, is condemned as committing abomination unto God
but other sexual sins or other sexual immoralities like,
adultery in Leviticus 20:10, incest in Leviticus 20:11-14 or bestiality in Leviticus 20:15,
escape the mention to be condemned as an abomination unto God
or as one thing, God dislikes intensely

So many other places in the bible about this satanic ritual, sex orgy and detestable custom being practised
a few case in points, like Deuteronomy 23:17 and 1 Kings 14:24, are mirror versions of Paul's 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and 1 Timothy 1:10.
God, so much, disliked intensely, the practice.
Imagine the cheek of it. Excuse the pun

I can show you THE evidence of Jesus engaging with homosexual(s),
but it will be in camera, and under conditions.
Bud, you dont know how shockingly close you were, in knowing about this, with that your above inverted commas remark up there.
You will beat yourself up Bud, for not being consciously aware of it.

cc Ubenedictus

delishpot Page 3:
why would it take conditions to show a passage from that same bible where Jesus welcomed the lifestyle?

MuttleyLaff Page 3:
Have you ever thought about quoting me properly and correctly, when you ask to be shown the passage in the bible.
Maybe, just maybe, I might if you start or begin to do so.

It is impossible for a person to learn, what he thinks he already knows, that's why all you read is blah blah blah blah

Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters, cannot be trusted with important matters.
Is your moniker ID budaatum?
Yes, I mentioned I'll under conditions, in camera, show budaatum, but not you nau

I aint selling you anything
besides, I am not responsible for convincing you

I am not pointing it out for you, especially when you arent ready

SMH.
Yes, Jesus welcomed someone living that lifestyle and was glad to help him and his partner out
You can grovel, shout till your throat goes sore or crawl over broken bottles as much as you like,
the offer to show the passage in camera but on conditions was extended to budaatum and not you

You are not proven, worthy yet, to be privy to that information or passage

I can give a list of a fair amount of sinners Jesus visited or helped where He publicly discouraged their lifestyle and meant it
one thing is certain, He never discouraged the lifestyle of consenting adults in a honest, loving, committed, lasting a lifetime same gender sexual relationship

He even praised the partner of the consenting adults in the honest, loving, committed, lasting a lifetime same gender sexual relationship

You are the alawada keri keri joker here
Everyone, except you knows, the offer was to budaatum and not you

hopefulLandlord:
errrhh! I thought you agreed to ignore atheists?

hopefulLandlord:
Why is felixomor not hearkening to the words of butterfly who is being lead by the holy spirit for them to ignore people like us?
Even Muttleylaff is also not hearkening even though he said he has.
Christians should listen to their commander and ignore us.

Since he can't quote us to talk nonsense then like his posts, he now likes any post quoting us with his alts. what a sad life

budaatum:
Silly, really. Ordinary, I'm walking down the street and find a 1000 Naira note.
How many of us of any ideology would shout "na who get dis 1000 Naira!?"

If the money is in my account, I will leave it there unless in the imperfect world of your analogy 2) really applies.
Though, how I would know it does confounds me.
Do I get a note perhaps saying "no one will know if you secretly take the money" ?
And what constitutes "secretly" ? And how the heck do I know the "rightful owner"?
And why isn't the "rightful owner" asking for their money back?

After a while, like a few weeks, though I bet no more than 3 days, I'll take 10million.
And if nothing happens, then 100 and so on until I have taken it all.

If some sort of guilt sets in, I might become a Christian just so I can ask for forgiveness,
but trust that I would have made sure to have utilised a large portion of the money so that repentance does not mean paying it all back.
I might move to a country that has no extradition rights with the country my account is in before that though.
I am sure that when I am basking in the sun on an Hawai beach (if it has no extradition rights, mind, and I will check first!), remorse is the last thing I'd feel.
If I do, a Pina Colada would quickly cure me of it!

luvmijeje:
Every single religion that believes there is only one way to God and every other way is evil. And you are all guilty. Your disrespect for each other. Your condescending attitude towards each other proves it(I'm also guilty too).

luvmijeje:
Oga OP, there's this misconception in the Christian world that Abraham made a mistake by marrying Hagar. Well I'm about to debunk that misconception.

There is nothing Abraham did that's not in obedience to God. Is it the circumcision.
Is it leaving his home of origin. Is it getting a wife for Issac? Abraham has been working in obedience.

SO what makes you think after walking so long in obedience, that he didn't ask for God's consent before accepting Hagar as wife from Sarah,

If he indeed ask for consent and it's God's plan for him to marry Hagar,
then the narrative of Abraham being the problem of terrorism has to change.

The Problem of terrorism is not Abraham Sir. It's religion.
The teaching of man to think there's only one way to God. While every other way is evil.

Butterflyleo:
Do you see how so right I was with my warning?

Butterflyleo:
Ignorance be zipping around like a ping pong ball on rampage with insults in tow.

You and everyone else deserve better.
Sometimes when we cannot get better given to us, we take it by force.

Ignorance they say is bliss. Sometimes you need to allow this bliss to stew for longer.

Have a good night bro.

RuthlessLeader:
I thought you don't do arguments

RuthlessLeader:
That they were exchanges of ignorance. Hypocrite.

RuthlessLeader:
How

RuthlessLeader:
Because you know you will lose

RuthlessLeader:
Yet the above shows you contradicting yourself.

RuthlessLeader:
Those bible verses say a different story. But I expect this from you.
This was how you were justifying the bible supporting rape, I proved you wrong you started speaking grammar.
Feel free to run away when you are disgraced again

More rubbish. This was how you were justifying rape in the other thread.
When I proved you wrong you first did mental gymnastics before running away
https://www.nairaland.com/4596704/cnn-breaking-news-christians-apologize#69057148

RuthlessLeader:
Feel free to show me that fine print tho.

RuthlessLeader:
You have come back for more abi?

RuthlessLeader:
I will use your own bible to prove you wrong now.
The best way to challenge a christian is using their own holybook against them

RuthlessLeader:
@bolded see how bible verses prove you wrong, showing you don't know your own bible or you do
but you want to lie to win argument or you think it is false

luvmijeje:
Now that he has stopped believing in God, has his problems decreased?

RuthlessLeader:
Perhaps not.
But know he knows his problems are not because of a devil that cannot be seen or felt,
or his prayers are not answered because of one excuse or the other.
Good afternoon

luvmijeje:
Good. Do you know that we as individuals have different purposes? And because we do, God will never ever give us the same instructions. Every single men that wrote a book in the Bible all hears from God.
They all wrote down instructions God gave to them and they are all different instructions.

Butterflyleo, when will you start living your life according to the instructions God gave to you?

You know most religious people are disobedience because you will say what God's telling you is not in the Bible?
For crying out loud. God commanded Abraham to commit murder.
If God commanded the modern religious people, you will ban the devil. Think on it.

Butterflyleo:
God did not command Abraham to commit murder.
God asked him to give him Isaac AS A SACRIFICIAL BURNT OFFERING.
If you were spiritual you would see this from Gods perspective since he gave the instruction to Abraham.

Can God go contrary to his word? NO!

To God that was not murder or attempted murder. To God that was obedience.

Remember that God gave and he alone has the right to take but when man decides to play God then it becomes murder....think about this

Butterflyleo:
Scripture cannot be broken.

Your truth, your light has already been rejected by them.
An encounter or personal experience is what can now convince them.
Your words will only bring more words from them in attacks, in bitterness, in hatred, in accusation.

Prayer is all you owe them right now.

This is a faceless forum and you have no physical access to them.
Pray that God should send labourers to them directly and that God should reveal himself to them.

Right from the inception of nairaland they have been here and many here who are atheists began with nairaland and have been arguing everywhere in the same way.

Think about it.

luvmijeje:
And these Atheist guys, I'll give it to them are convincing.
Thank God, He founded me fast, I would have become an Atheist like them.

Neddyogu:
Founded? Ayam nor understanding

luvmijeje:
I was telling you my past.
It was when I've not yet known God

chemystery:
OK,
when you haven't known god, atheists were convincing
but when you knew god, atheists became unconvincing?

luvmijeje:
Am I speaking in French?
I wasn't sure of God, so their arguments seems convincing.
With what I've now know, I'll crush every single of their foolish argument.

luvmijeje:
Oga we are talking of events that happened after the coming of the Holy Spirit.
You are talking of events before the advent of the Holy Spirit.
Falling under the Spirit is different from falling in reverence to Christ.
You can't control the first while you are conscious of the later

luvmijeje:
But does everyone fall under his power?
For you to feel talkless of fall, it takes His grace.

luvmijeje:
Of course falling doesn't mean you are not going to commit sin the next hour talkless of the next day

luvmijeje:
Falling under His Presence simply means His grace.
It's Him reminding us of it's existence and that we only need to reach out to him.

Tallesty1:
Then how come it did not happen at all in the bible days??

luvmijeje:
It did.
Have you read the act of Apostle where the church started speaking in different tongues when the Present of God came upon them. And do you know what the onlookers said about them.
They compared them to men that were drunk.

Chepos1:
My king there is something wrong with that english

9inches:
The word “church” comes from the Greek word ekklesia which is defined as “an assembly” or “called-out ones.”

9inches:
Now read, this time s.l.o.w.l.y and tell me if there is any contradiction in the above statements.

9inches:
I did not say ekklesia came from the word "church".
I said ekklesia and church mean and refer to the same thing.

DivinedeGuru:
Yemisi an attitude or belief is an openly bisexual Nigerian woman. She shared photos of herself attending London gay pride today on her Facebook page with a message about bisexuality.

''Oh yes, Bisexuals are not confused,
we just have the amazing capacity to love and be emotionally and sexually attracted to same and other genders. Hurray, for Genderless Love! 
#londonpride #Pride #Pride2018 #pridematters#Bifabulous #bisexual #bisexuality #equality #humanrights #lgbt #activist#lgbtmonth #pridemonth #love #celebratelife #Bigirls #Biwomen #loveislove''

http://www.vondanews.com/nigerian-bisexual-woman-proudly-shares-photos-of-herself-attending-london-gay-pride/

Nackzy:
We all love you but God loves you most, if u love God follow his ways too it's an advice n a suggestion

paxonel:
these are the kind of questions many christians and religious people have failed to asked.

There is absolutely no difference between prayer and wish .

Going by your definition of a wish, we also pray with a strong desire or hope for something that probably will not happen too.

For instance, many of us respond a strong AMEN!
in church to prayers and prophesies of pastors saying that this year, we will buy car, we will build houses, we will hit a mega contract .
Meanwhile, many of us are jobbless people in the society created by buhari government.
Is that kind of prayer not mere wishes?

Butterflyleo:
ALL CHRISTIANS WOULD DO WELL TO LEARN TO AVOID SUCH THREADS AS THOSE OPENED BY ATHEISTS.
THEY DONT WANT TO LEARN AND INDEED CAN NEVER LEARN FROM YOU ABOUT GOD.
ALL THEY SEEK IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RIDICULE YOU AND YOUR FAITH.

BE WISE AS A SERPENT MY BRETHREN. IGNORE SUCH THREADS AS THESE

NOTICE THE NUMBER OF ANTI CHRISTIAN THREADS THAT WILL FLOOD THE RELIGION SECTION TODAY BEING SUNDAY.

ITS BECAUSE THEY ARE FIGHTING YOU AND ALL YOU STAND FOR.
BUT WE WILL COUNTER ALL.

WHEN YOU SEE SUCH THREADS, DO NOT BE TEMPTED TO COMMENT ON THEM BUT RATHER IGNORE THEM AND MOVE ON TO MORE PROFITABLE THINGS AS YOU FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT OF FAITH.

LET HE WHO HAS EARS, HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS SAYING

Chepos1:
Another yabaleft candidate loading.

Martinez19:
Shut up jare!

Martinez19:
Read before you criticise, the guy made valid points.

Martinez19:
His reasons were exactly the same with mine on why I left christianity

Martinez19:
T G IAAA

Immorttal:
Just over a week ago, Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte said that God was stupid — “This son of a bitch is… really stupid” — because the Book of Genesis made no sense.
It’s not that he was wrong about Genesis, but his name-calling of a God that he personally believes in was very strange to hear, in part because he’s a world leader (even if he’s also a mass-murdering dictator).

It wasn’t even the first time he’s made jaw-dropping remarks about religion. He once said Pope Francis was the “son of a LovePeddler” and claimed men could get away with having mistresses by saying they were atheists (implying that we have no moral compass).

His latest outburst came Friday night during a celebration of science and technology. He told the crowd that if anyone could prove to him that God existed, he’d resign immediately.

“And if there is anyone of you there, the noisy ones, who would say that you have been to heaven, and talked to God and saw him personally and that he exists, the God that is yours. And if that is true, I will step down from the Presidency tonight,” he said Friday in a speech at the National Science and Technology Week Celebration in Mindanao at the SMX Convention Center in Lanang, Davao City.
Once again, he’s not wrong to criticize the people who claim to have visited Heaven, then come back to tell everyone about it. Those people are delusional. But it’s hard to accept a lesson on logic and reason from a man who orders the executions of his own people and personally bragged about murdering someone.
It’s also weird to hear Duterte challenge God’s existence when he said in 2016 that he stopped swearing because God allegedly told him to. Does he believe in God or not?

His theology makes no sense — but that’s also the point. He uses God like so many American politicians:
To convince people he’s just like them. It’s a tool to acquire power, not a sincerely held standard of morality.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2018/07/07/philippines-president-if-anyone-can-prove-god-exists-ill-resign-tonight/

9inches:
@bolded, that's not what I argued. Straw manning the argument won't help you. I did not say ekklesia came from the word "church". I said ekklesia and church mean and refer to the same thing.

Church: the whole body of Christian believers; Christendom.
Ecclesia: a congregation (in formal church usage); church.
dictionary.com

9inches:
The word “church” comes from the Greek word ekklesia which is defined as “an assembly” or “called-out ones.”

Where did you get the notion that the church "must condemn homosexuals"?

9inches:
The arsenokoitai and malakoi in 1 Corinthians
Full read here: h t tp s://www.catholic.com/index.php/magazine/print-edition/the-bible-on-homosexual-behavior

Arguments for a reference to homosexual behaviour
Full arguments here: h t tp s://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_New_Testament

9inches:
Now that you have finally come around, you now acknowledge that ekklesia = church.

9inches:
New words or phrases will keep emerging
but will only portray a clearer understanding or meaning of what they are meant to describe.
So, it does not matter how new or old a word or phrase is,
what matters is the usage and it's application in showing a clearer understanding of the subject being described.

9inches:
My guy, next time you want to find the a definition of a word, use the dictionary, not the Bible.
The Bible was meant for a different reason than to be an English language textbook.

9inches:
Thanks for patronising but it's not sarcasm.
Such misleading information in a dictionary is a serious issue.
I agree with you; who knows how many more misleading information they have in there in almost every dictionary I have checked.

9inches:
This your mental gymnastics is from 6 months ago on this forum

9inches:
Nonetheless, your ended up affirming the definition I gave.
Ekklesia = congregation = assembly of believers = church.
The church here is not a physical building.