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Glycolysis:
Not seeing you for the first time, sir..always trying to use these remark to justify homosexuality.

No matter how you sugarcoat it & twist it to appear sweet to the mere brain cells, homosexuality is never God's plan for man..

The truth and justice doesnt need sugar coating or twisting

There are quite a few things that were God's plan for Man, yet God allows it

Glycolysis:
God never had a plan of we, a more sophisticated creature, practising sub-human tendencies....

Do you fly in the air? Are you a bird?
Do you swim at all? Are you a fish?

Glycolysis:
Homosexuality is not genetic ! It's a learned human attitudes, as many other harmful human tendencies.....
Pls, don't try to use God to justify your believe that homosexuality is OK.
God never supported it & will not.

Justify it from your own understanding, by your mere brain cells & not as of God's plan for man.

Oh c'mon brother. SMH.

What, in consenting adults, having a faithful, committed, honest, loving , lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship
that has no detriment to, no betrayal of or no cheating on another person, is harmful, as many other harmful human tendencies?
Get a grip brother. Pull this with ease

Glycolysis:
"What does having sexual attraction to a consenting adult of same gender
and being in a faithful, committed to each other, meaningful, honest, truthful, loving and lasting a lifetime relationship with same
come under in the 10 commandments?
"

That question or remark, came off the back of the series of interactions between LordReed and solite3.
Look it up from the bottom half of Page 1 to the end, to get up to speed with how and why I posted the question
- it was to solite3 giving a reply of "rapists and armrobbers" to LordReed's comment

Glycolysis:
".......covetousness (inordinate & unlawfully desire)

You being heterosexual will be doing covetousness, by having inordinate & unlawfully desire for someone of your gender.
Gay person is already gay, and so wouldnt be having an unlawful desire to another gay person. Caspice

Glycolysis:
And their are many Bible verses that condemns what homosexuality

Well according to what you've being taught and learned homosexuality to be. Right?

Glycolysis:
no matter how you try to twist it...

I'll let you do the twisting, as I dont know how to twist

Glycolysis:
And foremost, homosexuality is not genetic!

Wow, you could have fell me over with a feather.
I am impressed you know this.
Flesh and blood did not reveal this to you
There is light in this tunnel apparently

Glycolysis:
Romans 1:24–29

²⁴Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,
²⁵because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
²⁶For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions.
For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;
²⁷and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, ymen committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
²⁸And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
²⁹They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips,

Glycolysis, like LordReed might say, what is the relevance of these verses that you appended to my mention?

Glycolysis:
Where is your evidence for these?
I wonder Christians that take these guy seriously in nairaland.....

Where is my evidence for what?
Oh, its too heavy for you to lift and look by yourself, so you need and want me to do the heavy lifting for you.
Hmm, I get it now. Facepalm.

Glycolysis:
Bible, both in the old & new testament condemned homosexuality !
God did not & will never approve homosexuality....

You dont even know how to lie
I doubt you know how to lie in bed, ROTBL
Are you sure, the bible, both in the old & new testament condemned homosexuality?
God did not & will never approve homosexuality? Are you sure about this? Hmmm.

chrisbaxtian:
the bottom line is that homosexuality is a perversion of the natural order.

Brother, dont get it twisted now.
Man, fundamentally and as a whole, homosexuality or no homosexuality, is a perversion of the natural order brother

chrisbaxtian:
The fact that some animals display such tendencies does not mean that it is natural.
Male and female is the normal way, not male and male or female and female.
Procreation would not take place if it were so.

Well, FYI (i.e. for your information), not everyone is into same sex relationships.
Also FYI, the total number of gays, in the world all over, is less than 10% of the world population

You clearly can see that procreation is not at any risk whatsoever of not taking place
Everyone needs and wants orgasms every now and then,
so those having it in opposite sexual relationships will likely end up with procreating

chrisbaxtian:
homosexuality is a deviation from the norm

God hasnt got a problem with homosexuality being a deviation from the norm, so why you?

chrisbaxtian:
and a sign that something is horribly wrong with the psychology of the individual(s) involved.

Nothing, at all, is horribly wrong with the psychology of the individual(s) involved
Stop that, it becoming clearer by the night, that you dont know anything about what you're trying to talk about concerning this subject

Have you forgotten that what's at hand, isn't a perfect world nor a 100% natural order, brother

Is something horribly wrong with the psychology of conjoined twins too? Hmm?
Is something horribly wrong with the psychology of hermaphrodite persons too? Hmm?

godliman:
Thanks for the info but I would rather strive to be angelic than animalistic

Why are you flying when you dont have wings?
Why do you go swimming when you dont have fins and/or gills?

Brother you need to just simmer down, and begin to unlearn what you've learned, to learn and relearn

You see, half of wisdom, is learning what lies, to unlearn

chrisbaxtian:
nobody is born gay

People are born gay

chrisbaxtian:
This is not an issue of what the Bible says. It is a plain fact.
The homosexuality is a trait developed by nurture and not nature, as nature itself is against the concept and idea of the whole thing. #Peace

Nurture indeed. SMH.
How can you say nature is against the concept and idea of the whole thing, when same sex attraction & relationship is evident in the animal and plant kingdoms?

The Omniscient, obviously knew in advance about the fallen world, and so why He prepared two things for human pleasure and use

plaetton:
Just like nobody is born left handed, or born hemophiliac, or born with a disposition to obesity or diabetes.

chrisbaxtian:
genetic predisposition is a totally different idea from something that purely goes against the natural order.
#Peace

Have you forgotten that what's at hand, isn't a perfect world nor a 100% natural order, brother

chrisbaxtian:
it is aberrant behavior.

Are conjoined twins not an aberrant behaviour? Hmm?
Is hermaphroditism not an aberrant behaviour? Hmm?

NPComplete:
[s]Look at these two learning-impaired people[/s].
What has my last comment got to do with the nonsense both of u are spouting?

Someone made an ignorant claim, I corrected him and both of u used that opportunity to argue against a point I didn't even make. Lol

People need to improve their knowledge instead of throwing cliches about with straw men
and stop behaving like someone reading from a script

LordReed:
You are only proving my point.

solite3:
what point? life and death has been placed before whatever you choose will be yours.

LordReed:
The point that people are born gay.

solite3:
just as people are born as rapist and armrobbers

Can someone please list the 10 Commandments for us

LordReed:
The possibility exists that this is so but no one has any proof of that yet.

Review the 10 commandments.

Rapists, comes under "Do not covet..."
Armed robbers, comes under "Do not steal..."

What does having sexual attraction to a consenting adult of same gender
and being in a faithful, committed to each other, meaningful, honest, truthful, loving and lasting a lifetime relationship with same
come under in the 10 commandments?

LordReed:
I appreciate your comment but I don't see its relevance to the question.

It doesnt matter if you dont see the relevance, those that do, see, those that will do, will see

#IfYouKnowYouKnow
If you know, you know, that there is no sin grading
No sin is bigger than another sin
You're sinful, you are a sinner. Period and that's all.

Now talking about "Why cant you accept people are born gay, if you we are born sinful or born a sinner"
Reiterating, for sake it is a sin
having sexual attraction to another that's of your own gender,
doesnt make you a sinner more or a sinner less nor makes you more or less sinful
Afterall, we all, were guilty of sin from birth, a sinner the moment our moms conceived each one of us

Now why most cant accept people born gay are alright
is because of them being misinformed that it is a sin to be a gay person

If you're an unrepentant rapist, you're in trouble
If you're an unrepentant arm robber, you're in trouble

If you're an unrepentant animashaun-gbogbo-adugbo unfaithful homosexual/lesbian, it goes without saying, that you're in trouble
but if you are sexually attracted to a consenting adult of same gender
and in a faithful, committed to each other, meaningful, honest, truthful, loving and lasting a lifetime relationship with same
then you are alright and good to go

The truth is some people are born sexually attracted to others that are of their own gender
I wonder why our brother and friend, solite3, decided to lump them with rapists and armed robbers

LordReed:
If We Are Born Sinful/sinners Why Can't You Accept People Are Born Gay?
Does it not reinforce that belief?

There is no sin grading
You're sinful/a sinner. Period
Having sexual attraction to another that's of your own gender, doesnt make you a sinneer more or less nor more or less sinful

We all, were guilty of sin from birth, a sinner the moment our moms conceived each one of us

solite3:
God loves homosexuals but homosexuality is an abomination to him.

God loves homosexuals as much as the next person
and God never said homosexuality is an abomination to Him

solite3 will you with all those cliches you're throwing about, stop behaving like someone reading from a script
Why dont you try being informed (i.e. with knowledge) instead of because of ignorance, just opinionated?

Butterflyleo:
Why do you enjoy misrepresenting people by trying to force your own view to reality when your view is clearly wrong.

Here you are trying to use my thread to cite an example and claim I shot myself with the thread
when I rather showed you how you cannot
and will never be able to remove objectivity from a premise that has already been set out of which other inferences have been drawn.
As long as there was a foundation already given then subjectivity dies as the premise already gave the pedestal to objectivity.

The thread actually highlighted the ease with with you and fellow atheists can be easily so close minded
that you would never be able to see objectivity
even when it is a fat red man dressed in a lemon coloured jacket and sitting right in front of you.

Kindly stop misrepresenting me and trying to force your views on people despite them being wrong,
and trying to make my thread what you "think" it was when on same thread you were the one who couldn't see beyond your nose of subjectivity.
This comment was just to clear the air and also clear your fogged up mind.
I will not respond if you reply.
I do not like people when they deliberately want to misrepresent people just to make themselves look right when they are wrong.

budaatum:
butter, please, where did you show me the above?
I don't think I saw it.

Welcome to the sub/obj thread.

Dont you just love bud
Guess, that's what you'll do, if you feel lucky,
try your luck, butter' might respond

You guys, budaatum and Gggg102 are still on this back and forth endless splitting hair thing
Bud is even trying to rope vaxx in too

MrBrownJay1:
... oh i am much more

Are you now

MrBrownJay1:
well, my meaning of being an HYPOCRITE is to expect people to be non violent,
while you live your life following the teachings of a book based on (and filled with) VIOLENCE...
but i guess you must have a different definition of hypocrisy

Carry on, without any justification, good reason or valid excuse, socking defenceless people in the jaw Mr Authority-On-What-Hypocrisy-is

Mr Authority-On-What-Hypocrisy, would you be OK with someone without any justification, a good reason or valid excuse,
giving, a defenceless you, a sucker punch on the chin?

MrBrownJay1:
that is exactly what the old testament was based upon,
and as far as i can remember the old testament IS the basis/foundation of your holy book, isnt it?!

Learners dont know that the end of a matter is better than the beginning

Why dont you muse over, a little evil, is often necessary, for obtaining a great good.

MrBrownJay1:
again, the book your holy bible is "based" on is a violent book filled with notion that murder/infanticide/genocide/slavery/rape/stoning/human sacrifices etc was perfectly normal....

Necessary and/or tolerated evil

Everything has a place and time
Everything begins and ends at exactly the right time and place
Everything has to come to an end, sometime MrBrownJay1

MrBrownJay1:
and even your upgraded version (aka new testament) is filled with violence,
and certainly does NOT dismiss the old testament and its teaching

The perpetrators and victims in "upgraded version (aka new testament) filled with violence" are?

MrBrownJay1:
you cant possibly use violence to torture/oppress/kill billions of people, in the name of your holy book, and now that people are indoctrinated, you will turn around and pretend that your teachings are NON violent....

Why dont you try being informed with knowledge instead of just opinionated because of ignorance?

MrBrownJay1:
that would be as stoopid as me saying that i was gentle to the lion that i was petting,
after i have tortured that said lion for years, so that it submits to me

What are you drivelling on about here now?

MrBrownJay1:
dont let me humiliate and school you on the subject,
and i suggest you instead go and prepare yourself for your holy day of worship.

OK you want to humiliate and school me on the subject.

Bring it on then
but eferbor efrebor dont talk that your pitiful self wasnt warned you go wound ooo

I'll have you for breakfast, spit out the sinews, especially the ones from your stiffened neck and afterwards use your bones as toothpicks

MrBrownJay1:
are you a NOVICE?!
how can you be against violence when your holy book was BASED on violence.... you either follow its teaching or die!

stoning, infanticide, murder, genocide.....
its all written black on white in your holy book.
you bloody HYPOCRITE!!!!

You must be a learner
Or just sheer plain ignorant.
Or likely both and more.

I doubt you understand the meaning of the word hypocrite, you used

"Follow its teaching or die!" you said.
Are you sure about follow it's teaching or die?

Show me, towards the latter part of the Holy Book, where it advocates socking or slugging one a blow to the chin

SarakiBukola:
I zoomed their names....
Guess what i saw ...?

You saw 19 - 0

NCA (Name Checkers Association) would love this

frank317:
Nice one OP, lovely write up too.
I feel your pain regarding the stress of going to VI from Iyanoba and spending all that money. Used to go from lekk to Abulado (after mile two) and life was hell until things changed.
I wish people like Vaxx would trading preaching traditional religion in the bus,
lets see how these Christians would react... you see them hear shouting persecution.
Or a muslim preach koran in a bus... this will be a disaster.

To be a christian means to be selfish and insensitive.
Christianity preach love but gives hate. otherwise how can u be preaching love in a bus filled with tired and frustrated people?
You cant give what u dont have... humans are not perfect and so all these christians claiming holier than thou will always get it wrong

Christian and Muslims do preach in buses
Never heard of African Traditional Religion (i.e. ATR) preached or try to proselytise to ATR in a bus

frank317:
I still dont think God (if He exists) is serious about people knowing and loving Him.
If God wants the people he loves to know Him he should stop sending incompetent selfish humans to do the job.
He should do it himself or send some near perfect angles

He already has done it Himself, frank317

MrBrownJay1:
some religious follow follow brainwashed sheep really need to be...

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Resorting to violence isnt the answer

Bholutife18:
spanked! Big time. That is trash!

So you approve that spanking cruel and violent behavior?

budaatum:
When did the first murder occur, muttley?

Remember, the first murder,
which is a homicide, actually was a fratricide bud.
It occurred with the unlawful killing of a brother, without any justification, good reason or valid excuse for carrying out the dastardly act

budaatum:
But we are not talking about God's laws!
We are talking about human's morality, as in what we, as individuals, do!

For instance, an atheist might think it okay to murder you, but the law of the land would not agree, would it?
Does that change the moral position of the law, or make the atheist any more immoral.
What if a Christian does the murdering, is there any difference?
Or do Christians not commit the immoral act of murder because God saying, "don't" ?

The first murder occurred before the advent of the atheist.
The first murder occurred before the law of the land had statutes that would or would not agree with it
The same first murder occurred, before the advent of the christian

The first murder occurred, without God saying a, "dont" or without God saying any "Thou shall not..."
The cry for justice, the complaint, is the reason why it isnt OK to murder another person

blueAgent:
How does this verse relate to your argument?

John 14:28
“You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’
If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said,
‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.”

The Isaiah 55:11 verse relates to the above John 14:28 verse you used, to prop up your argument that Jesus is not God, the Father.

You dont, at all, understand that John 14:28 verse you quoted
You really should take a look at Isaiah 55:11 to get some understanding of John 14:28.

blueAgent:
Jesus is not the Father stop decieving yourself.

Is it impossible for God, the Father, to be Jesus?
Hmm blueAgent?

blueAgent:
Jesus himself said it.

If you can provide where Jesus Himself explicitly said He isnt the Father
then I will donate a substantial sum of money to a charitable organisation of your choice

When I asked that, who else apart from God, has ever known what is in anyone's thought, as in, know what they are thinking
little did I know, the question would overwhelm you, even to the point of rendering you speechless & not have the balls to respond to it

Lagbaja

donpy:
Quite frankly I have to drop my pen here, it clearly seems that you guys are seeing this more like an arguement and who wants to win the arguement rather than an expository and once the perception of a matter is wrong then the whole conversation is baseless.

I asked a question to explain the statement of John who said "The one who comes after me is before me" the question was shyd away from and disregarded. You asked questions I answered it, you made a wrong statement that Jesus turned the attention from his mother to the woman and I even quoted two different translation of the Bible to proof that the attention was not shifted from his mother to the woman but from his mother to the word of God. You ddnt even accept it was a mistake but in your defense to win what you perceive as an arguement you veered off a bit. Then you asked 5 questions, I answered it and even gave a full class on Trinity, you ddnt answer the first questions you asked with scriptural backings, while I did, you also ddnt answer the second 5 questions which led us into Trinity, your statements and conclusions have been all about what you think of the matter. No scriptural reference(s)to proof(you quote one line that suits your perspective and sits on it)I gave a full class on Trinity, @Freeradical validated that the Trinity class was deep understanding and clear, your response to it was that it lacked substance. And now you ask another 5 questions again as a defense and if we keep going you will keep asking questions, no answers, no scriptures to back your answers that shows you just want to win bcus you think it's an arguement.

Every point I have made about what you claimed lacked substance contained nothing less than 3/5 different scriptural references.

Conclusion of the Matter
Your perspective or my view of the matter is completely useless, baseless, and chasing after the wind if it doesn't bring you closer to God or establish a relationship with you and your creator, so my question to everyone reading is If you die today, are you a candidate of heaven?
Them you will know that the conversation here, how anyone of US can type or speak good English or memorize scriptures will make no sense if you don't have a relationship with God. Serve God in spirit and in truth and makes your ways straight with him.

I'll love us to be in heaven together and then we take this matter to the one true God, the ageless one and ask for the perfect answer. Let's get the answer from him and let one of USB tell the other you see I told you but at the end of the day we are in heaven and still happy. That's should be the inner peace and joy we should seek.

God bless you, bless everyone who have read and will read, bless his word IJN.
Amen

I dont do arguments donpy.

You know what's a sad and sorry sight to behold, the arrogance of a seemingly Trinity intellectual, delighting in his own ignorance

I dont do arguments because arguments has to do with exchanges of ignorance

You're tightly so fitted with blinders
that you dont know the difference between you trying your hardest best to share your ignorance here
and people sharing knowledge with you.

I am no match for your ignorances and I apologise for that

freeradical:
If you can understand the more mysterious doctrine of the trinity so clearly how come you are struggling to get why Mary deserves the title Mother of God which flows from everything you just wrote up here about the nature and composition of the Godhead.

You said it yourself that Jesus Christ is God the son and thus God. Scriptures makes it clear a Virgin will bear the messiah.
Scripture makes it clear that Virgin was Mary. Jesus is both true God and true man at the same time. So how can you boldly say Mary is only the Mother of the man Jesus not the God Jesus.
In your efforts to appear less logical you have ended up confusing yourself on an otherwise simple conclusion.

The guy tire me sef

freeradical:
We all know Jesus pre existed Mary as well as all of creation.

It seems he thinks, we don't know that Jesus pre existed Mary.

freeradical:
When man fell, God set a plan in motion to redeem mankind.

God himself will save us and reconcile us to himself. He chose to come through a woman, Mary

God didn't have a choice.
That was the only legal means.
Besides He had to respect and abide to the:
"Let man ...."

freeradical:
Until u understand that he came as true God and true man at the same time you will keep erring on this topic. He was God from the very minute Mary said yes to the angel, that's why Elizabeth's Child leapt for joy in the womb. That's why on his birth shepherds saw Angels come down from heaven heralding his birth.
He is called Immanuel, God with us. The child Mary bore was God!

Here is the evidence that He is God:
Who else apart from God, has ever known what is in anyone's thought, as in, know what they are thinking?

donpy, I am not going to quote your full of straw man above last post
because my last experience of doing so was getting rewarded with a ban and having my post hidden

You dont need verbose and long-winded posts,
You employed unnecessary doctrine(s), used unnecessary more words, and ending up writing a post that lacked substance

I dont want to veer into Trinity with you
but if I did, I will be asking you these questions, to get you thinking outside the box

1/ What is God in the Trinity, when God appeared to Abraham?
2/ What is God in the Trinity, when God appeared to Hagar
3/ What is God in the Trinity, when God appeared to Jacob
4/ What is God in the Trinity, when God appeared to Gideon
5/ What is God in the Trinity, when God appeared to Moses, as a burning bush

I can list you so many other similar instances, but those five should be enough, to get you thinking with/from a different perspective

I repeat, that I cant BELIEVE you dont understand what REALLY transpired in that Luke 11 verses
I am pleased you admit, accept and agree that "Jesus immediately shifted the focus from his mother to God"
Now, think about this:
1/ What was the focus from his mother to God about?
2/ What was the woman fascinated about?
(i.e. what attracted the attention and interest of the woman?)
3/ What word used, in the woman's remark and Jesus' reply, is common?
4/ In relation to whom, did the woman use the common word?
In relation to whom, did Jesus use this common word?
5/ What is one who hears the word of God and obeys it?
6/ So, what is the woman, if as she has heard the word of God, she obeys?

donpy, I repeat, I know you enjoyed watching that beautiful video plus reading that teacher-kid Q&A
♪ ♬ Mary did you know, when you kiss your little Baby you kissed the face of God?♩ ♫

Now, again, here are five simple questions, I know you easily can answer
1/ When the God, become Father, at what time?
2/ When did God, become Son, at what time?
3/ How did God, become Father?
4/ How did God, become Son?
5/ What really, is the Holy Spirit, apart from being God's?

donpy:
Luke 11: 27-28 A woman raised her voice in the crowd and said
"Blessed is the womb that bore you and the breast that nursed you"

Now it was obvious that she just saw him cast out unclean spirit
and she was moved that's why instead of believing the power of God she was rather excited about the vessel that bore him.

Now watch Jesus response to her was very instructive he said
"Rather, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it".

I cant believe you dont understand what transpired in that Luke 11 verses

As Jesus was saying things, a woman in the crowd, after hearing Jesus speak, raised her voice and fascinatedly said:
Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts which you have sucked.
(i.e. woman, in effect, is saying to Jesus, blessed is your mother)

Note that Jesus acknowledged what the woman said, when He responded with yea, as in, it's true, blessed is her being My mother
but then soon after and true to His special modus operandi, Jesus, immediately shifted focus away from His mother unto the woman
and remarked that blessed too, are all, who hear the word of God, just like the woman did and obey it or put it into practice.

If any hear the word of God and obey, they are positioning themselves, to be blessed, like His mother is.

donpy:
Even logical reasoning with this statement of his response tells anyone that it's not of her who bore him
but of him was, is and became flesh and dwell amongst men.

You will conceive in your womb and bear a son; and you are to call His name JESUS
- Luke 1:31

Who mothered the Son of God?

donpy:
If you still don't accept that the statement Mary the mother of God is wrong then please do us a favor and explain this.

Let's use your logical reason

Mary is the mother of Jesus
Jesus is God
If Mary is the mother of Jesus then Mary is the mother of God who is Jesus who is also God.

If Mary is the mother of God
An Jesus is God and you say Mary is the mother of God then Mary is also the mother of the Holy Spirit and God the father.

My question?
Is Mary the mother of the Holy Spirit?
Is Mary the mother of God the father?
Do you believe in Trinity? If yes you believe in trinity

Then Is Mary the mother of the Trinity?
Is Mary the mother of God?

Stay blessed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyXc8nIN77Y
Teacher: How old is your father?
Kid: He is 6 years
Teacher: What? How is this possible?
Kid: He became father only when I was born

donpy, I hope you enjoyed watching that beautiful video plus reading that teacher-kid Q&A

Now here are five simple questions, I know you easily can answer
1/ When the God, become Father, at what time?
2/ When did God, become Son, at what time?
3/ How did God, become Father?
4/ How did God, become Son?
5/ What really, is the Holy Spirit, apart from being God's?

Primesky:
Good!.
So why do you find it difficult accepting that Jesus is God's word?..
Why do you seek to separate Jesus Christ from God?.
Why do you try to make them two far different persons.

Who are you addressing these questions to?

Primesky:
Your word is distinct from you, but can never be separate from you, neither can your word exist without you.

Jesus Christ is the word of God, and the visible image of the invisible God.

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,
whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:


Read this passage below carefully and critically, and see who Jesus Christ really is.

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

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Who did you create and address this straw man to?

blueAgent:
Jesus is not the Same person as the Father.

1/ Will showing you, where, in the bible, Mary is called mother of Jesus appease you?
2/ Will showing you, with scripture again, that, if same Jesus, is God, then, Mary is mother of God, appease you?

Why are you finding it difficult to answer back to the two above earlier questions
Reply to those two questions and get a reality check

blueAgent:
God is the Father while Jesus is his son, Jesus is God by nature (as being born by God) and not in personality.

God is the Father while Jesus is his Son,
Jesus is God by nature (as being begotten by God) and is God, in personality too
Evidences are there, in the bible, that Jesus is God in personality too

blueAgent:
Jesus and his Father are not equal neither are they the same person.
Jesus always did the will of his Father.

Jesus and his Father are not equal yet they are the same person.
Jesus always did the will of his Father

PMB and ordinary Buhari, are not equal, yet they are the same person
Buhari always does the will of PMB
PMB can do everything ordinary Buhari can do, but ordinary Buhari cant do everything PMB can do
I hope you get the gist

blueAgent:
John 14:28
“You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’
If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said,
‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.”

Do you, at all, really understand this verse you have quoted?
You should take a look at Isaiah 55:11 to get some understanding

"It is hoped that Nigerian artists will borrow a leaf from this episode.
We Muslims have been the laughing stock of Nigerian artists for some time now.
They associate every dirty job with a Muslim name.
It is no longer going to be business as usual.

“We also love works of art and we respect artists who come out with brilliant ideas.
We recognize the right of every artist to produce.
But the right of an artist to produce whatever he likes stops where the rights of other citizens begin.

“Like all other citizens, we Muslims have the right to the dignity of our persons. Nobody can take that right from us. Our right is our right. The law is very clear about that.

“Fela Anikulapo Kuti used his songs to fight military dictatorship and other ills in the Nigerian society.
But he never attacked Muslims or Christians.
Neither did he incite Nigerians against any ethnic group.
He criticized religious groups but never in a vulgar manner and he never exposed Muslims or Christians to ridicule.

“We want Nigerians to know that MURIC is inculcating a new culture of dialogue and informed response as the only civilised alternatives to spontaneous violence. We engaged Falz in dialogue instead of inciting young Muslims to start violent demonstrations.

“Muslims would have been called all sorts of names if we had started demonstrating or if we had been violent on the issue of Falz’ vulgar video. The image of Islam would also have been tarnished.
But MURIC decided to be faithful to its avowed motto which is ‘Dialogue, not Violence’.”
- Ishaq Akintola,
the group leader said in a statement sent to DAILY POST.

masseratti:
thank you, the school that gave that man a Prof title should really strip him off it, he is a disgrace to any ivory tower.

“We asked Falz to withdraw the video or we would sue him.
Instead of showing remorse he dared us.
We knew he could delay the court case for years because he is a lawyer
and he would use every trick in the books to frustrate us.
That was why he was boasting.

“Therefore, instead of going to court,
we decided to ambush him by sending a petition to the video board.
This week, the NBC banned the video and others like it.
He should be the one to go to court now if he likes.
- Ishaq Akintola,
the group leader said in a statement sent to DAILY POST.


Personally, I think, Falz should go ahead to sue NBC
#TAKE IT BACK

Meanwhile enjoying "Shuffering and Shmiling" on repeat for the next few hours

tuasefemi:
I doubt if this man ever listened to Fela's songs

HajimeSaito:
Did these idiots say that Fela never attacked Christians and MUDslimes?
Have they ever heard Fela's classic "Coffin For Head of State?"

masseratti:
How did this man become a Prof?
He so myopic and daft, am Yoruba but this man is a disgrace,
Fela admonished both Christians and Muslim, that song by Fela I waka waka waka, I go many places,
that song, was Fela praising Imans and pastors?
I think it's high time the NBC is taken to the cleaners in court,
if they don't understand English and what the artist meant when he said "this is Nigeria where everybody is a criminal"
then they should go back to school, the artist was definitely referring to SARS treatments of every citizen, treating every one has criminal.

“Let him go and show how brilliant he is in court.
He and his fans laughed at us when we complained about his provocative and vulgar video.
But there is no doubt that he who laughs last laughs best”
- Ishaq Akintola,
the group leader said in a statement sent to DAILY POST.


You Africans, please listen to me as Africans
And you non-Africans, listen to me with open mind

Suffer, suffer, suffer, suffer, suffer
Suffer for world
Na your fault be that
Me I say: na your fault be that

I want you all to please take your minds
Out of this musical contraption
And put your minds into any goddamn church
Any goddamn mosque
Any goddamn Celestical
Including Seraphoom and Cheruboom

Now, we are all there now
Our minds are in those places
Here we go

Suffer, suffer for world [Chorus] Amen!
Enjoy for Heaven [Chorus] Amen!
Christians go dey yab [Chorus] Amen! "In Spiritum Heavinus" [Chorus] Amen!
Muslims go dey call [Chorus] Amen! "Allahu Akbar" [Chorus] Amen!

Open you eye everywhere
Archbishop na miliki
Pope na enjoyment
Imam na gbaladun

[Chorus] Archbishop dey enjoy
Pope self dey enjoy
Imam self dey enjoy
My brother wetin you say?
My brother wetin you say?

My sister wetin you go hear?
My sister wetin you go hear?

Archbishop dey for London
Pope dey for Rome
Imam dey for Mecca
Archbishop dey for London
Pope dey for Rome
Imam dey for Mecca



My people them go dey follow Bishop [Chorus] Amen!
Them go follow Pope [Chorus] Amen!
Them go follow Imam [Chorus] Amen!
Them go go for London [Chorus] Amen!
Them go go for Rome [Chorus] Amen!
Them go go for Mecca [Chorus] Amen!
Them go carry all the money [Chorus] Amen!
Them go juba Bishop [Chorus] Amen!
Juba Pope [Chorus] Amen!
Juba Imam [Chorus] Amen!
Then them go start to yab themselves: [Chorus] Amen!

Fela starts chanting in mock-Latin/Arabic [Chorus] Amen!

Every day, for house
Every day, for road
Every day, for bus
Every day, for work

My people, my people
My people, my people

We now have to carry our minds
Out of those goddamn places
Back into this musical contraption
Right opposite you
Now we are back here

This is what happens to we Africans every day
Now, wetin, I want tell you now
Na secret o
Na confidential matter
Don't tell anybody outside
Na between me and you

Now listen

As I dey say before
E dey happen to all of us every day
We Africans all over the world
Now listen

[Chorus] Suffering and smiling!

Shuffering and Shmiling as written and sang by Fela Anikulapo-Kuti

[quote author= post=70241346]Uhn......
Orisisri something.

There are some things the western people will say or do and it is normal to them.
How will you call your pikin a rat in this part OF the world Badoo?!

Well, na u born am![/quote]For a minute, I thought it was Prof Sophie Abosede Oluwole making a comment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slu5J8RNC5g
Bud will enjoy watching this sage of a mummy

topgear:
I think this is a good question.
Cuz the bible says women shud submit to their husbands and a woman's place is under the authority of a man.
I wonder if this is also applicable to the church.

It is a fact that no women was ordained as a priest or prophet in the bible
but women were involved in evangelism and also ministered to men but they were Neva ordained.

I think biblicaly women are allowed to preach and minister but not lead as a General overseer or head of a congregation.

Rajosh:
What about Deborah?

Glycolysis:
Was Deborah the head of a church in her days ?

Rajosh:
she was both the political head and spiritual head of the Israelites in her days.

Glycolysis:
Let me have the Bible verses for the above....if you don't mind.

⁴Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time.
⁵And she would sit under the Palm of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim,
where the Israelites would go up to her for judgment.
- Judges 4:4-5