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Maamin:
7 pages? shocked what exactly will I be reading? grin

I discovered she has a lot to say from a little question, if it's a book, she might as well drop it through PM and I will read at my leisure time but it's OK.

I'm game however, to discuss here. wink

Maamin, remember when Jesus asked His disciples the question who do people think He is.
After they gave him various answers to what the people thought He was, He then asked:
What about you? Who personally, do you think I AM?

I have discovered, some posters rather pass on what others like the pastor, the teacher, the guru etcetera somewhere have said or written about a matter, without they themselves having not much, if at all, they have anything at all, to say themselves on the matter.

How can you query them when they arent the author or source of what is posted?

ivysunday:
Why "celestial"?

All people who are resonant with Lifechanyuan values are granted a name, a grass name. That is to say we are humble grass.
Our life purpose is to become celestial. So we are ordinary as the grasses growing along the road yet as extraordinary as mountains standing tall and upright into the sky.
So, we are grass and celestial.

¹⁵As for man, his days are like grass— he blooms like a flower of the field;
¹⁶when the wind has passed over, it vanishes, and its place remembers it no more.…
- Psalm 103:15-16

"As the scripture says,
"All human beings are like grass, and all their glory is like wild flowers.
The grass withers, and the flowers fall"
- 1 Peter 1:24

I know we are like grass,
but being celestial, that was something for the host of heavens to be called and not human beings

ivysunday:
8 though?

1/ What's the meaning of "All is but a game."
2/ Why is "All is but a game"?
3/ How did "All is but a game" notion come about?
4/ Where did this "All is but a game" come from?
5/ When did this "All is but a game" start?
6/ When will this "All is but a game" come to an end?

Because Life Is but An Illusion

Life Is but An Illusion

Xuefeng
(Translated by Treasure and Edited by Kaer)

Illusions are phenomena that appear in dreams, fantasies, and phantasms.
With further inferences, all phenomena that arise quickly, remain briefly, and then disappear equally quickly can also be thought of as illusions.
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Mirages are illusions, as are dreams, soap bubble patterns, and even thoughts at the end of the day or when we are bored will form them. It can be inferred that flashes in pans are illusions, a large number of cells, microbes, and fungi are illusions, many photos online are illusions, computer games are illusions, and movies and TV shows are illusions, too.

Dreams are illusions because the dream world lasts for a short time. If one dreams for a hundred years continuously, would that be an illusion or reality? Of course it would still be a dream because the moment that the person wakes up, the dream would disappear, so how could the dream not be an illusion? It can be concluded that no matter how long a phenomenon exists, as long as it disappears completely at some point, it too must be an illusion. Thus, it is possible to conclude that life is an illusion because even someone who lives for a hundred years will eventually disappear altogether, so why would that be different?

Having dreamed throughout the night, we wake up in the morning, and no matter how much we twisted and turned during our dreams, we no longer care about anything that happened in them because after all, they were fantasies, dreams, and illusions. A dream will not affect our mood or state of mind too much. Here is the question: since we have deduced that life is an illusion, is it necessary to be sad for our twists and turns in life? Is it necessary to be anxious about things in our life; is it necessary to struggle hard for things and hunger to reach goals; is it necessary to make others behave according to our own wills? When the illusion of life disappears, will it not float away as a dream ?When the earth we live on disappears completely in the infinite universe and all of humanity disappears as an illusion? What about a single person?

To analyse and judge this question, I want to wake you from your dream to let you not be a human being, but rather a Celestial being.
When you wake up, will you still go into your dream to be nostalgic for something or to fight for someone in your dreams? Of course not, because it was an illusion; a fantasy. Well, life is also an illusion and a fantasy, so shall we be racked by people and things in this illusion? Of course not!

Who remembers their grandparents’ grandparents? Not to mention the fact that the memories of our grandparents’ grandparents are already blurred even in the incomplete memories of our grandparents. Who will remember us a hundred years after we die? We take for granted that we have importance in the present, but that is a complete illusion. Many great historical figures have died. They thought that they were important back then, but what about now? The earth goes on turning and humans go on reproducing. The footsteps of civilization never stop marching forward, so it is unnecessary to be too sad when people around us die because death is a normal phenomenon and everyone will die, including ourselves, so never be overly anxious, fearful, or sorry because it is all an illusion.

Nobody can control your dream, who can even control their own life? It is delusional to think that if you do something, you will get something. That is impossible! You cannot secure yourself against all risks and dangers. How can people control your life? You cannot wear shoes when you are supposed to be barefoot and you cannot stay on the mountain when you are supposed to leave. Cold shoulders cannot be expected when you are thriving and on the way up. That every cloud has its silver lining may be forgotten in despair and adversity. Therefore, never force yourself to learn, suppress yourself to work, or force yourself to do what you dislike and which is against your own better judgement. No matter how successful you are, outstanding or a billionaire, or how glorious your family reputation has been flowing down through many generations, when you wake up, all will have been a dream.

Affection and love tactics are the most difficult traps for people to escape; they are the most terrible traps in life. “Ask the mortal world what love is? It drives one mad to death.” Now think about it, life is but an illusion. After waking up, everything will be nothing, so is it necessary to be bogged down on affection and love? It might actually be better to live as a beau; a dandy!

What people fear most is losing what they own and are most attached to：
their property, their power and status, their reputation, and of course their most beloved lover, however they are not at all necessary. What really belongs to you and cannot escape is yours, but if it is not yours, you can not keep it. Anyway one looks at life, it is still an illusion which can be shattered and vanish in a moment, so why make yourself suffer for it? Why not enjoy a natural and unrestrained dream?

Has anyone in history been so intelligent and so powerful that they could control everything? Not one! Everyone is acting in a play; they are playing roles; following scripts. If anyone could control all things with their wisdom and power, their fortunes would be as boundless as the East China Sea and they would live a very happy, healthy, and eternal life - forever. Have there been any? Not one! This proves that man is only a grain of sand in a sandstorm, a drop of water in the sea, and that nothing can really be controlled by anyone. So why not just follow predestined relationships and take things as they come? Life will be easier and more natural.

People expend a lot of time and effort on their health and appearance, yet regardless of their daily exercise and nutritious eating habits, the sick are still sick and the short-lived still come to untimely ends. No matter how much paint and powder one applies to their face or how much plastic surgery they undergo, wrinkles still creep onto the forehead and cheeks as time passes, and signs of ageing become more and more visible everyday. These changes cannot be resisted, so why try to fight them when you know that you cannot? Life is too short! Fiddle with this today, fiddle with that tomorrow, and remain confused. You will still get old, fade away, and die. It is a bad deal to live in fantasies but an even worse one is to indulge them.

Do you worry? What do you worry about? You were worried when you were dreaming. What about when you woke up? My point is that there is no need to worry about anything because ALL of life is ultimately only a dream. There are no real scenarios because life will end. Will all the worry not be gone with the wind? Enjoy the present, do not worry about tomorrow or the next day. Everyone’s life has been predetermined by their destiny - their script. Worry is useless, so why persist with this fantasy, waste your recreation time, and ruin your relaxed mood.

Your state of mind is different when you are asleep than when you are awake. Sleeping people lead befuddled lives in their dream worlds of obsession, worry, anxiety, sorrow, and fear, however fully awake people know that all is but an illusion, so they have neither strong bliss nor intense grief, but are just pleasant, relaxed, and calm. Who are these people? Celestial beings, of course!

Within the universe, everything is an illusion except for the Greatest Creator. People live in illusions because all LIVES are illusions. In this sense, illusions are reality; illusions are stages of LIFE. People live one dream after another and live a large number of dreams throughout their lives because lives consists of dreams. Although people live in illusions today, this is really the entirety of human life. Never expect to lead a real life without it being an illusion. Even the Thousand-year Would, the Ten-thousand-year World, and the Celestial Islands Continent of the Elysium world are all illusions. The differences are that those illusions are more beautiful and splendid and go on much longer

It is very clear that everything is an illusion, but most people are too stubborn, obstinate, and perverse to see them as such and are convinced that they are living in reality. When one awakens from their dreams, their soap bubbles will burst and they will say goodbye to their dream, but they will do it unwillingly and with disappointment and frustration.

Knowing that life is an illusion, how does one lead a wonderful life?

Whatever it is that makes you happy, joyful, free, and blessed; just do it!

Follow your best judgement - have fun, then play!

If something bothers you but you need to do it, make a perfunctory effort.

No fun: see you later! Better yet: never see you again!

I am grateful for the article but still want those questions directly answered
I shouldnt have to be mining or digging for them

ivysunday:
I am one of Lifechanyuan celestials

Why "celestial"?

ivysunday:
Lifechanyuan takes the Way of the Greatest Creator, but what is the Way of the Greatest Creator and what are its meanings?

In general, the Way of the Greatest Creator is the Tao of nature, the Way that Jesus Christ, Buddha Sakyamuni, the immortal Lao Tzu,
and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) guided people to take.

The Way of the Greatest Creator has eight major meanings:

1.The universe is the product of the the consciousness of the Greatest Creator.

2.Everything comes into being through its creation.

3.Everything runs in the consciousness of the Way of the Greatest Creator.

4.You must give play to your nature and conform to nature.

5.You must revere the Greatest Creator and follow his example.

6.Reality is the portrayal of all kinds of free LIFE consciousness.

7.Happiness, joy, freedom, and blessings are the main melodies of LIFE.
8. All is but a game.

I couldn't agree more with with #1 - #7.

#8 though?

1/ What's the meaning of "All is but a game."
2/ Why is "All is but a game"?
3/ How did "All is but a game" notion come about?
4/ Where did this "All is but a game" come from?
5/ When did this "All is but a game" start?
6/ When will this "All is but a game" come to an end?

Maamin:
I couldn't agree more with number 5,
but does this your greatest creator have a name?

Bookmark her 7 page worth of comments, then mine it, to find out

Maamin:
You can PM me, will love to discuss with you more.

Maamin c'mon now. No PMs.
Let all discussions be here, in the open, for public consumption

blueAgent:
You are trying hard to twist bible verses

You are willingly trying not to be clued-up on this matter

blueAgent:
the truth remains that Jesus is the son of God

John 5:19
Verse Concepts
Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to
them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself,
unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.

"The Rider wore a robe that was covered with blood,
and He was known as "The Word of God.""
- Revelation 19:13

1/ What was Jesus, the son of God, before Jesus, the son of God, appeared on earth as Jesus, the son of God?
2/ Did God incarnate Himself in man, appearing as Jesus, the son of God or He did not?
3/ Who do you think, is the Word, in John 1:1-3?
4/ Furthermore, who is the "The Word of God'' stated in that Revelation 19:13, put up above?

blueAgent:
Luke 1:35 — And the angel answered and said to her,
“The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you;
therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the "SON OF GOD"


even the angel that brought the message to Mary told her and us that the child will be called the Son of God not God

Are you pretending you dont know that Isaiah 7:14 and Matthew 1:23 said:
"The virgin will conceive a child!
She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (i.e. which means 'God is with us')."

Look up Isaiah 8:8 and Isaiah 8:10, blueAgent, to see who Immanuel is

Immanuel (i.e. "God is with u'') is simply saying "God living among us"
God, incarnated Himself in man, appearing as Jesus, to physically live amongst us

blueAgent, the child is God,
the angel that brought the message to Mary, told her and us that the child will be called Immanuel (i.e. "God is with us'')
which simply means "God living among us"

The same angel that brought the message to Mary, told her and us,
that the child will be called the Son of God to convey the understanding
that the child is God, appeared on earth without the intervention of a human father.
No earthly father was involved with the birth of Jesus,
and since no human father took part in the conception, then the child who is God, rightly is called, the Son of God

When all's said and done, it is by the power of God.
God did not come to earth from a human impulse or from a husband's desire to have a child
so we have the child, Jesus, called Son of God, on the strength of being born from God.

blueAgent:
simple english.

"In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God, and the Word, was God."
- John 1:2

"And the Word, was made flesh,
and dwelt among us,
(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)
full of grace and truth."
- John 1:14

This has nothing to do with "simple english"
but has a lot to do with not having the cognizance & realisation
that God can achieve and do absolutely any right thing, without any limit or condition.

You have a dim view of God's omnipotence.
You are making out that, God is not capable of incarnating Himself,
and that God lacks the ability to use Jesus, to represent Himself on earth, in human form

John 1:2 and John 1:14 above are both useful and informative

blueAgent:
You are looking for excuse where there is none.

You are trying hard hiding from facing and anwering those questions.

blueAgent:
I posted a dialogue on the issue Jesus being God or not and the answer is obvious.
Jesus is the son of God and not God himself.

Is your word that you've been typing here yafunyafun on this forum, you or not you?
Is your typed word(s) on this page blueAgent or not blueAgent?

blueAgent:
Isaiah 55:11 In that verse, God was the one speaking not Jesus stop pulling verses out context

My word, which comes from my mouth, is like the rain and snow.
It will not come back to me without results.
It will accomplish whatever I want and achieve whatever I send it to do."
- Isaiah 55:11

"¹In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
²The same was in the beginning with God.
³All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made."
- John 1:1-3

1/ What was Jesus, before Jesus appeared on earth as Jesus?
2/ Did God incarnate Himself in man, appearing as Jesus or He did not?
3/ Who do you think is the Word in John 1:1-3?

Primesky:
Hmm... First of all, I salute your patience in writing all these things, but sorry to tell you bro., from the bible's perspective, you're wrong!.

Your argument is that since we live in an imperfect world, and homosexuality is an imperfect act, just like stealing, lying, fornication etc, we should just allow it?.

Well, I hope you know this world is not our home?. We aught to by conscious decision, accept Jesus Christ, and make it to heaven. Now, the question is, can a man who is imperfect, come to a perfect saviour, and remain imperfect, and expect to go to a perfect heaven with that imperfect state and nature?

No matter, your argument, God will never accept that. Imperfection and corruption in man is vast, but that is the reason why Jesus Christ came to restore us to perfection!.

The bible totally condemns homosexuality, please don't try to excuse it.
If you're affected by it, you can be free by the power of Jesus Christ!

Accepting homosexuality which is an abnormality, because other abnormality like fornication, lying and stealing exist, is self defeating. Because the fate of those captured by the other abnormalities, will be the fate of the homosexuals as well.

God will never accept homosexuality!. it's a great wickedness, sin and confusion!. Repent and be saved. Thanks

I am not having an argument with you.
I am not arguing on this subject, I am sharing knowledge with you and giving information.
There is a difference.

I would have been more than grateful,
if as you've taking the patience and time to read,
you equally, had responded to each and varied questions in the post

blueAgent:
There is nothing in Isaiah 55:11 to back your argument

Like i said Jesus is not God the Father i have given you bible verse where Jesus said his Father is greater than him what other prove do you want?
Read on.

John 6:38 . Jesus said:
“I have come down from heaven to do, not my will,
but the will of him that sent me.”
Now, that statement would be a bit puzzling if Jesus were God.
at Jesus told his disciples as recorded at Matthew 28:18.
That verse says: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.”

So did Jesus say that he always had all authority?
No, he said that it had been given to him.
But if Jesus is God, how could he be given more authority? And who gave it to him?
‘You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.’”

Did you notice what Jesus was doing as he was being baptized?
He was praying.
Yes. Of course, we might wonder, ‘If Jesus is God, to whom was he praying?’
Why “Father” and “Son”?

Here’s something else to consider:
We’ve read that Jesus spoke of God as his heavenly Father.
And when Jesus was baptized, a voice from heaven referred to
Jesus as His Son. In fact, Jesus specifically called himself God’s Son.
Now, if you wanted
to teach me that two people are equal, what sort of family relationship might you use to illustrate the point?
I might use two brothers.
Exactly​—perhaps even identical twins.
But Jesus referred to God as the Father and to himself as the Son.
So, what message do you suppose Jesus was conveying?

Samantha: I see your point. Jesus is
describing one individual as being older and
as having more authority than the other.
Exactly. Think about this: You came up with such a fitting illustration of equality, that of brothers or twins. If Jesus really were God, don’t you think that Jesus, as the Great Teacher, would have thought of the same
comparison​—or an even clearer example of equality?
Of course.

Karen: But, instead, he used the terms "Father” and “Son” to describe his relationship with God.

Samantha: You raise an interesting point.
If Jesus truly is God, wouldn’t you expect that Jesus’ disciples would have plainly said so?

Samantha: That seems reasonable.

Karen: Yet, nowhere in the Scriptures do we read of their teaching that. On the contrary, notice what one of Jesus’ early followers, the apostle Paul, wrote.
At Philippians 2:9 , he describes what God did after Jesus’ death and resurrection:
"God exalted him [Jesus] to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name.”
According to this verse, what did God do for Jesus?

Samantha: It says that God exalted him to a superior position.

Karen: Yes. But if Jesus were equal to God before he died and God later exalted him to a higher position, wouldn’t that put Jesus above God?
How could anyone be superior to God?
He couldn’t. It’s impossible.

Karen: I agree. Based on all this evidence,
then, would you say that the Bible teaches
that Jesus is God?
No, it doesn’t seem that way.
The Bible says that he is God’s Son.

Karen: That’s right. Let me assure you

I am grateful for the comments you posted above
but please improve on its presentation next time.
I have had to be correcting the positioning and presentation in order to be able to understand what you typed.

You would say that Isaiah 55:11 has nothing, wouldn't you.

1/ blueAgent is your word, you or not?
2/ blueAgent are you and your word, one or not?
3/ blueAgent are you greater than your word or not?
4/ blueAgent can you or can you not, exalt your word above you?
5/ blueAgent can you or not, send your word on an errand to accomplish something for you?
6/ blueAgent does your word, do things by or on its own will?

blueAgent I have more questions for you, but will pause for now for you to respond to the above six

owoshuyi:
The oldest man to have ever lived on earth according to God's word was Methuselah who died at the age of 969 years. He was the grandfather of Noah; the man who built an ark for the flood God wanted to use to destroy all mankind because of their wickedness and sins.
In further study of the generation of this man Methuselah, I discovered the man died the year the Great Flood occurred.
This discovery is the reason for the topic which asks that DID METHUSELAH DIE IN THE FLOOD?
In other to prove my point, I studied and did a research in the book of Genesis 5 verse 25-32 and this was what I found out.
Methuselah was 187 years old when Lamech his son was born to him.
When Lamech now was 182 years old, he had a son whose name was Noah.
This means Methuselah's age will be 369 years. Lamech lived for 595 more years and died.
This means he died at the age of 777 years, while Methuselah his father was now 964 years old.
This shows that Lamech died before his father. At this same period, Noah was 595 years old and already had his own children (Shem, Ham and Japheth). About 5 years later when Noah was 600 years old, after he had built the ark God commanded him to build, the Great Flood that killed all mankind and animals occurred.
This was about the time Methuselah, Noah's grandfather was 969 years old; the year he died. So from this revelation, one may think that Methuselah, the oldest man to have ever lived on earth died during the Great Flood.
It could further have meant that, had the Flood not occurred, Methuselah might had lived more than 969 years.
Now over to you bible scholars, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS.

Methuselah's death was a prophecy fulfilled on the about to happen flood
but also was a precursor to same flood

As long as Methuselah lived the flood was not sent, the flood is to be unleashed soon or any moment after he died
If remember correctly, I think, (i.e. so please dont quote me on this), it was 120 years after Methuselah's death, that the flood eventually came

#IfYouKnowYouKnow
If you know, you know

owoshuyi:
IN THE BEGINNING: SNAKES HAD LEGS

The first book of the bible (God’s word); the book of Genesis, gives us an account of how God created the heavens, the earth, and everything on it. He created plants, animals, and then finally created Man.

From this account, we find out that He created different species of animals, of which today, the animal scientists or biologists have classified into these groups:

Amphibians
Reptiles
Birds
Fishes
Mammals
Invertebrates

The group that I picked a great interest in is the Reptiles group.

I have discovered that all the animals in this group all have legs, and they are often characterized to have scales on their skins, EXCEPT THE SNAKE (SERPENT), which doesn’t have legs. For example, all these reptiles have legs:

Lizards

Crocodiles

Monitor Lizards

Alligators

Komodo Dragons

Chameleons

Tortoises

Geckos

Skinks

Now my belief is this: The snake, like other reptiles, had legs (actually four legs like other reptiles). Here is the proof in Genesis 3:14
“And the Lord God said unto the serpent (snake), Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; UPON THY BELLY SHALT THOU GO, AND DUST SHALT THOU EAT ALL THE DAYS OF THY LIFE”.

The bolded statement in the above bible scripture is a testimony to this fact: Snakes were legged creatures in the past. God cursed the snake to be the ONLY animal that moves on its belly, because it deceived the Woman (Eve) at the garden to disobey God after God had instructed her and her husband (Adam) not to eat the forbidden fruit. This simply means before God cursed it, the snake didn’t crawl back then in the garden as it does now.

In conclusion, although I’m not a scientist, and I don’t have any scientific proof to prove this theory of mine, I believe the bible, which is God’s word, has the key to unlocking mysteries and revealing truth about the earth’s history.

This is the revelation I got about this topic, and if you have any contrary argument to this fact, I will be glad to know. Thanks and remain blessed

#IfYouKnowYouKnow
If you know, you know

Primesky:
What are we discussing here, a man having sexual attraction for his fellow man, isn't it?.
And you say God has nothing wrong with that?. Like seriously?!.

Yes, if that is your sexual orientation

Primesky:
You could claim there wasn't any word for it in the bible days...

I am glad you accept and agree that there isnt any word for it in the bible days.

Primesky:
... but the bible clearly condemned such practices.

What exactly was the bible condeming?
Stating clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt,
the $64,000 question is, what correctly, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the committed abomination they did before God?
(i.e. what correctly and pato, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the things they do/did, that God hates and/or detests?)

Primesky:
Romans 1:26
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:
for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Romans 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Can anybody deny the above scriptures, as clear as it is?.

Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27 is a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13
where at, Paul, is echoing what happened around when Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were given

The same practice that was happening in Canaan in the Leviticus 18:22 & Leviticus 20:13 times, were still around and happening in and around Rome.

Incidentally, the Leviticus 18:22 & Leviticus 20:13 times, Romans 1:24, 26 & 27 times practice, is still very much around, happening in at least India

Primesky:
Sexual relationship or put plainly, having sex, or even sexual urge for the same sex,
is in the bible word, 'vile affection, unseemly, and lust'.
Do you say God has nothing wrong with that?.

God doesnt find anything wrong with doing the 3Rs

Primesky:
Is anybody confused about what that passage is talking about?.
Bestiality, lesbianism and homosexuality is all captured there. No excuses.

Let's make this a little more intricated, by adding adultery, fornication etcetera
Primesky, have you committed adultery/fornication?
How many times have you, how often or how regular do you commit adultery/fornication?
Carefully think about Matthew 5:27-28 first, before answering though

Primesky:
The point is homosexuality or being gay is abnormal,
just as lying, stealing, murder etc are sinful and unacceptable to God.
If anybody then is affected by this 'vile affection', he/she must run to the one who alone can deliver from such.
But it all begins with seeing it for what it is.

We live in an abnormal world
It is abnormal for a homosexual to be a heterosexual and vice versa
If you arent gay, it is abnormal for you to act gay,
for one that's gay, it is natural for such to be gay

Primesky:
Now concerning Sodom and Gomorrah, I repeat what I said.
One of the reasons they where destroyed is because of homosexuality.

C'mon now Primesky,
you and I know, Sodom and Gomorrah, was earmarked for destruction before the attempted rape of the angels now

Primesky:
Even the passage you quoted said 'spoiled', but you chose to extract only what suits you now'.

You typed:
"Even the passage you quoted said 'spoiled',
but you chose to extract only what suits you now'."

What an absurd, dishonest and irresponsible comment to make
Where in the whole of Ezekiel 16:48-50 is written or spoiled talked about?
It exactly every thing and all Ezekiel 16:48-50 said, that I repeated in my comment
but you've turned round to make an allegation that is completely false that I chose to extract only what suited me
Why not paste Ezekiel 16:48-50 here, for all to read its contents

Primesky:
These guys wanted to have sex with the angels of God who came in human form!.
Read your Bible well. The question is, where did that urge come from?.
Did it just began instantly as the angels came there?.
No!. It was a practice, this among other sins, lead to there destruction.

Please get a grip with Ezekiel 16:48-50
How many times do you want to hear that, Sodom and Gomorrah, was earmarked for destruction even before the attempted rape of the angels?

Primesky:
Read the verse below and understand

You really dont have a clue. SMH
The practice that is an abomination to God, is what God, in Leviticus 18:3, Leviticus 18:30 and Deuteronomy 18:9, kept harping on about.
Go check them out, understand and learn from reading them

Primesky:
Genesis 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom,
compassed the house round,
both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him,
Where are the men which came in to thee this night?
bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

19:6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

19:8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man;
let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes:
only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

How did Lot describe the act?, 'wicked'.
Do you then say now that such an act is normal, and God won't border about it?, I strongly disagree.

Of course what happened there was rightly described a wicked act by Lot because it was attempted rape
Attempting to have sexual intercourse or some other forms of sexual penetration against a victim(s) without their consent
It is not normal and God will be bothered about it

Primesky:
Gay/homosexuality is evil, fight it.

It is evil really?
Fight gay/homosexuality really?

Moving along, Johanna Siguroardottir, Leo Varadkar, Xavier Bettel, Ana Brnabic, Shabnam Mausi, Elio Di Rupo etcetera
I almost forgot to chip in Alan Turing, too
Primesky, you know these guys, right?
OK, please tell, Primesky, are any of these guys evil?
You support having fights with them?

Primesky:
It's an abomination!.
No argument can support it as far as godly standard is concerned.

You want to intimidate & throw your weight about by using "abomination" abi?
We will soon find out whether or not, you really know and understand this big word "abomination" and the contexts, in bible, its used with

Lets just use these two scriptural verses to start with:
The bible mentions abomination in Leviticus 18:22,
it also when talking about not to eat shrimps mentions abomination in Leviticus 11:9-12

The question now is, in those two cases, who is abomination relative/related to in each of those two scriptural verses?

Primesky:
Jesus can save.

We thank God for that and that you arent Jesus

MrBrownJay1:
you best cringe, when people are educating/humiliating you on your own holy book.
in the future, never try ti discuss a matter you are clueless about, with people who are expert in that subject.

yes, ignorant people should be smacked when writing ARRANT RUBBISH

You've just proven my point that:
Resorting to violence isnt the answer

MrBrownJay1:
and when follow follow sheep try to act smart about what they dont know,
they should be EDUCATED on the subject,
and HUMILIATED if they try to act like they know something they are "obviously" clueless about.....
especially on this day of worship (when they are most active)

so again, the OT is a violent/evil book, FACT!
the NT is based on that violent/evil book, FACT!
you bible is made of the OT/NT which both laws you disregard for your selfish agenda, FACT!
you now want to come here and foolishly claim that you follow what is written in your bible, FACT!

Facts may not be truth. Facts arent necessarily truths

You now see again why I cringe
It's because you're constipated, from being so full of shit,
so I will advise you asap get your diaper changed, that will make you feel better and less cranky

My bad. I could have sworn I was dealing with a sane person.

There is a fine line between ... and its usually a prescription and a straitjacket

MrBrownJay1:
you again?!?!? you must like humiliation.... ok o!

ok let me try to explain this to you, like you were 5yrs old...
deluded follow follow sheep (aka you) says that the bible is based upon, both the Old Testament and the New Testament.
so MBJ points out to you that you selfishly chose to disregard the violence and evil written in the OT, just like you disregard the above "law" in the NT for your selfish agenda.... you disregard the OT's law just like you disregard the NT's law....and want thereafter to come here (like an hypocrite) talking about following the words of your holy book?!?!?!? bwaaaaaah!

what i wrote is so PERFECT, you couldnt bring anything sensible/credible to the table to discredit it.... i use what is written in your own holy book to educate you on your ignorance about your holy book. call me the follow follow sheep slayer, lol!

abeg, feed yourself on it again.....
FIRST let us all be clear about what Jesus says about EVERYTHING written in the OT (before you foolishly try to dismiss it).....

Matthew 5:17-18... Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Luke 16:17... It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.

John 10:35... If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came, and Scripture cannot be set aside,

here is a simple example to understand my above 1st point clearly (if you have a brain)...
BLASPHEMY: is punishable by death in the OT and jesus in the NT says in Mathew 12:31:"And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit (aka god) will not be forgiven."
... now use what you have between your ears or keep hanging on to non violent rubbish!

but most importantly SECOND, here are some few evil verses from your new testament:

Revelation 2:22-23... So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.

Luke 12:47-48... “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.

Matthew 5:29-30... If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

Matthew 5:30...And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

Revelation 21:8... But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Ephesians 5:6... Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.

1 Corinthians 3:17... If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.

Wow, another post about nothing.
I swear your comments makes me cringe.
Are you this always willingly ignorant?

MrBrownJay1:
some religious follow follow brainwashed sheep really need to be...

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MuttleyLaff:
Resorting to violence isnt the answer

MrBrownJay1:
are you a NOVICE?!
how can you be against violence when your holy book was BASED on violence....

you either follow its teaching or die!

stoning, infanticide, murder, genocide.....its all written black on white in your holy book. you bloody HYPOCRITE!!!!

MuttleyLaff:
You must be a learner
Or just sheer plain ignorant.
Or likely both and more.

I doubt you understand the meaning of the word hypocrite, you used

"Follow its teaching or die!" you said.
Are you sure about follow it's teaching or die?

Show me, towards the latter part of the Holy Book, where it advocates socking or slugging one a blow to the chin

Thats how we started
Can you see how far you've wandered off at a tangent?
Just a friendly reality check, thats all

MrBrownJay1:
wait, NOT a single argument to contradict the education i just gave you?!?!?!?! BWAAAAAAAAAH!!!!

You're that thick, you dont realise that arguments is about exchanges of ignorance
I havent any ignorance to exchange with you

MrBrownJay1:
nah nah, let me post it again, so any deluded follow follow sheep
(who has the audacity to try to claim rubbish online) will think twice before doing so, or face humiliating EDUCATION like you just did.
here it is again:

yet you want to selfishly dismiss all the evil/violence that is written in the OT, and pretend that only the good stuff was taken from it. lol!
ok, what about all the other rubbish written in the NT that you xtians selfishly dismiss for you own agenda:

- hate your family
- you can never marry a divorced woman
- never strike back and instead offer the other cheek
- never refuse to give all your possession to whoever wants it
- do not save anything (aka money in the bank etc) here on earth
- women shut up in church
- women should fix their hair or wear jewelry

- hate your family
- you can never marry a divorced woman
- never strike back and instead offer the other cheek
- never refuse to give all your possession to whoever wants it
- do not save anything (aka money in the bank etc) here on earth
- women shut up in church
- women should fix their hair or wear jewelry

What has the above got to do with violence?
Stick to the original subject matter

MrBrownJay1:
bwaaaaaaaaah.... FIRST let us all be clear about what Jesus says about EVERYTHING written in the OT
(before you foolishly try to dismiss it).....
Matthew 5:17-18... Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Luke 16:17... It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.

John 10:35... If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came, and Scripture cannot be set aside,

here is a simple example to understand this clearly...
BLASPHEMY: is punishable by death in the OT and jesus in the NT says in Mathew 12:31:"And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit (aka god) will not be forgiven."
... now use what you have between your ears or keep hanging on to non violent rubbish!

but most importantly SECOND, here are some few evil verses from your new testament:

Revelation 2:22-23... So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.

Luke 12:47-48... “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.

Matthew 5:29-30... If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

Matthew 5:30...And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

Revelation 21:8... But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Ephesians 5:6... Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.

1 Corinthians 3:17... If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.

I repeat, the snag in all this, is how with your muddled thinking and dishonesty to falsify,
you artfully dodged repeating where Jesus teached and preached against violence

MrBrownJay1:
so until you have anything intelligent to say... i bow out!

***MBJ slaying gullible follow follow sheep (ignorant about their holy book), since the beginning of time***

MuttleyLaff:
The perpetrators and victims in "upgraded version (aka new testament) filled with violence" are?

Why dont you try being informed with knowledge instead of just opinionated because of ignorance?

What are you drivelling on about here now?

OK you want to humiliate and school me on the subject.

Bring it on then
but eferbor efrebor dont talk that your pitiful self wasnt warned you go wound ooo

I'll have you for breakfast, spit out the sinews, especially the ones from your stiffened neck and afterwards use your bones as toothpicks

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What's it like writing stewpid comments like this this guy does
Watching paint dry, is more stimulating than reading the time wasting ludicrous comments you've all along been posting

I warned him from the word go, he'll wound
now he's learned his lesson and humbly bowed out, with tail between legs, to go licks his wounds

Glycolysis:
@ muttleylaff ;

SCRIPTURE VERSES THAT CONDEMN LUST & SEXUAL IMMORALITY ;
1. Ephesians 5:3
But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.
2. 1 Corinthians 6:18
Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body.
3. Colossians 3:5
Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.
4. 1 Thessalonians 4:3–4
For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality;
that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor.

Glycolysis:
Very good
If you stick to these in a heterosexual or gay relationship, you have no cause to worry
- MuttleyLaff ©

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LOL @ strikeout/crossing out
done by Glycolysis

MrBrownJay1:
IRRELEVANT SMOKESCREEN RUBBISH #1

Typical ignoramus reaction to rubbish what and when the ignoramus doesnt understand

MrBrownJay1:
finally, we are getting somehwere... so you confirm that your holy book is "based" upon a VIOLENT/EVIL HOLY BOOK. thats a start!

Hurray, there seems to be a crack.
Though still hard work, there is of hope, its just a little bit of light

https://gifyu.com/images/drinkSwirlRolleyes.gif
You are a fairked up so-so and so more confused than a chameleon, in a bag of skittles
No, I said, the holy book is not, just based, upon the Old Testament

Trust, the answer, I've put forward, was going to be difficult, for you to understand
and that's why asked if you need/want a simplified answer,
so as to be intellectually undemanding for you, not to stupidly again, mistake it, as speaking Korean

MrBrownJay1:
IRRELEVANT SMOKESCREEN RUBBISH #2

Meaning you've bitten off more than you can chew

MrBrownJay1:
IRRELEVANT SMOKESCREEN RUBBISH #3

The arrogance of a wannabe intellectual delighting in his own ignorance

MrBrownJay1:
bwaaaaaaaaah.... FIRST let us all be clear about what Jesus says about EVERYTHING written in the OT
(before you foolishly try to dismiss it).....
Matthew 5:17-18... Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Luke 16:17... It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.

John 10:35... If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came, and Scripture cannot be set aside,

here is a simple example to understand this clearly...
BLASPHEMY: is punishable by death in the OT and jesus in the NT says in Mathew 12:31:"And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit (aka god) will not be forgiven."
... now use what you have between your ears or keep hanging on to non violent rubbish!

but most importantly SECOND, here are some few evil verses from your new testament:

Revelation 2:22-23... So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.

Luke 12:47-48... “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.

Matthew 5:29-30... If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

Matthew 5:30...And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

Revelation 21:8... But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Ephesians 5:6... Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.

1 Corinthians 3:17... If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.

The snag in all this, is how with your muddled thinking and dishonesty to falsify, you artfully dodged repeating where Jesus teached and preached against violence

MrBrownJay1:
lets see what kind of deluded nonsense you are going to bring to the table now...

There is nothing you can see
There is nothing that you will see because Hell will have to first freeze over before you'll ever be able to see anything

MrBrownJay1:
FINAL IRRELEVANT SMOKESCREEN RUBBISH

Just accept the honest truth about you, no need to resort to negative comments, just because you're in denial

Glycolysis:
@ muttleylaff ;

SCRIPTURE VERSES THAT CONDEMN LUST & SEXUAL IMMORALITY ;
1. Ephesians 5:3
But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.
2. 1 Corinthians 6:18
Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body.
3. Colossians 3:5
Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.
4. 1 Thessalonians 4:3–4
For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality;
that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor.

Very good
If you stick to these in a heterosexual or gay relationship, you have no cause to worry

Glycolysis:
They left the natural way of God's plan for man, & lust after THEIR fleshy desire!

Bible verse(s) for the comment please

Glycolysis:
I noticed you raised a line about human flying in the air like birds, swimming in water like fishes, which you asked, was that the plan of God for man?

I didnt anywhere say or ask if it was the plan of God for man.
Stop putting word at my mouth

Glycolysis:
I intentionally did not respond to that earlier then, because you appear not to know what I meant by God's plan for humanity....

There's a lot more than that one, you didnt respond

Why are you flying when you dont have wings?
Why do you go swimming when you dont have fins and/or gills?
What exactly, is practising sub-human tendencies?
State clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, what it is you deemed is practising sub-human tendencies

Glycolysis:
Those attributes you listed above, do they defile God's temple (the human body)
& is it a situation of human LUSTING after their FLESHY DESIRE ?

Do you know examples of fleshy desires as described from the Bible ...
if you do, you won't have raised that line earlier on to justify homosexuality....

Swimming in sea & flying in air by man can't destroy God's relationship with man
because in then, NO SPIRITUAL significance & defilement of God's temple was attached...

It's you juggling hundred balls in the air at the same time.
If you had stuck to juggling one ball at a time, the homosexuality one, there wont be cross fires

Glycolysis:
It (homosexuality) was explicitly condemned, whether they were "faithful, loving, no cheating, no detrayal & no harm to others "...
The same applicable to tattooing, that has to do with engraving into the human body, even if it were Jesus Christ & the Cross you tattooed.

Paul in Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24 & 27 is echoing what happened around when Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were given

Glycolysis, now, the $64,000 question is, stating clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt,
what correctly, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the committed abomination they did before God?
(i.e. what correctly and pato, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the things they do/did, that God hates and/or detests?)

Glycolysis:
Sorry, I can't seek truth from you,
not when what I have observed is just a situation where mere men want to change God's unchanging standards to fit into their theory & lust...

Glycolysis, please dont twist my comment.
I did ask you seek truth from me

What I typed was:
I once read an old wise saying that said:
"Never confuse a hunger for knowledge, with a thirst for truth"

What are you after? Knowledge or Truth?

"I will appreciate you show me a place in the Bible that God supports homosexuality"
- Glycolysis ©

Do you recognise and remember making the above inverted commas above?
My response to it, was:
You are not sincere in your quest, you are not after the truth
especially when there is a different contextual meaning of the homosexuality that isnt aligned with your God "does not" support homosexuality

Glycolysis:
I'm doing these for more people that are going to view these thread
not to get mislead by your view that a "faithful, loving, no detrayal,....." homosexuality is condone by God...

But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
For you shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men.
For you neither enter, nor even do you allow those who are entering to go in.
- Matthew 23:13

You teachers of the Law of Moses are really in for trouble!
You carry the keys to the door of knowledge about God.
But you never go in, and you keep others from going in.
- Luke 11:52

You're doing this because you are a 21st centuary Pharisee, you are a "Far-To-See"
and Jesus, in that Matthew 23:13 bible verse, warned about such like you

See Luke 11:52, says, you have taken away the key that unlocks knowledge.
You haven't gained entrance into [knowledge] yourselves,
and you're keeping out those who wanted to enter

Glycolysis:
Did someone read what these guy just said about masturbation & tattooing ......

You know who you should deceive!
Bible condemned masturbation & tattooing, explicitly !
I GUESS A MORAL, SELF RIGHTEOUS, LOVING, CARING, FAITHFUL, NON CHEATING, NON BETRAYING, NON VIOLENT ATHEIST IS VERY MUCH PLEASING TO GOD!!

Anything you infer from that above on atheism, that how you sound on homosexuality & masturbation!

1/ How is sperm collected for IVF (i.e. In Vitro Fertilization)?
2/ Will you deny success to couples having fertility challenges because of your myopic, weak knowledge & low understanding of the bible?

Glycolysis:
Can't you see how I keep dragging you over & over to change what's being condemned by God as "normal",
and you're falling for them all

I repeat.
For you, I can sound dumb and daft for as long as you want me, need me to or as long as is necessary to
For you, I will fall for all, as long as you want me, need me to or as long as is necessary to

Glycolysis:
You have lost it long & long ago!

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So its the classic, for every time, you point a finger, three point back at you then
Perhaps you should look at yourself three times
and first, find out about the situation you pointed at, that you're picking and finding a close-mindness fault with
1/ Instead of wasting time. Find out, what really is the situation about?
2/ Instead of being negativity prone. Find out why did the situation happen?
3/ Instead of being impatient. Find out how is/was the situation handled or how am I to handle the situation?

Time is a snitch, it's always going to tell
Time will tell Glycolysis, if I've really have lost it long & long ago

Don't judge my comment(s) without understanding the reasons.
I can only tell the truth Glycolysis. I cant make you believe it

Segunty:
sir, am not throwing tantrum... but read with understanding sir....!
hope u study my reply well....
in revelation Jesus said Am d Alpha and the Omega...
pls if jesus is the Alpha n d Omega tell us d position of God if Jesus as been d alpha n omega...,

You're asking an invalid question
because there is no position
Deuteronomy 6:4 and Mark 12:29 states: The LORD our God, the LORD is One.

God, the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, apart from others like "the angel of the Lord", are each and all, referred to, as God

Segunty:
if Jesus is in the Father pls can u seperate ur soul from ur body n still functions....

Answering this will depend on how and where you want or need to function after the soul is separated from the body

Segunty:
Mind u the Life of Jesus is Paradoxical Man in God n God in Man..
allways attend bible study....
n read with it revelational knowledge... once more read with d inspiration of holy spirit....tnx

Very good advice & reply

Jozzy4:
With the bolded analogy,
Do you mean the Father died when Jesus died ?

God, the Father cannot die
Jesus too cannot die, as it is impossible for One who has no sin to die
but Jesus, for the love of God and man's sake, however did give up His spirit, to die

MrBrownJay1:
again, stop writing rubbish to waste space

One man's rubbish is another man's treasure

MrBrownJay1:
and answer this very simple question...
is your holy book based upon the old testament?

No, the holy book is not, just based, upon the Old Testament

Trust, the answer, I've put forward, wasnt difficult, for you to understand?
Or do you need/want a simplified answer, so as to be intellectually undemanding for you, not to stupidly again, mistake it, as speaking Korean?

MrBrownJay1:
this is a simple question that anybody with a brain could answer.

Full and working brains at full capacity, obviously, are in short supply today
Anyone with half a brain and working one for that matter, wouldnt have the nerve to badger someone with such an inane question like this

You have a weak knowledge & low understanding of the bible, or Holy Book, as you prefer to call it,
yet you're unashamedly delighting in your ignorance, pretending to know fairk all

Mr-Authority-On-What-Hypocrisy-is, for your information (FYI),
what you hadn't realized is that the bible is based upon, both the Old Testament and the New Testament

MrBrownJay1:
how can any xtian follow follow sheep steer clear of violence when your holy book preaches about murder/rape/infanticide/genocide etc?! can you even read?!

well if you think that the bible say so, and thats why you are non violent, then please care to tell us all if the following verses in your holy book also preaches for non violence:

Exodus 21:15... Anyone who attacks their father or mother is to be put to death.

Leviticus 20:9... Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death. Because they have cursed their father or mother, their blood will be on their own head.

Leviticus 20:10... If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.

Deuteronomy 22:23-24... If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you.

Leviticus 21:9... If a priest’s daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire.

Deuteronomy 22:20-21... If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.

Deuteronomy 13:7-10... gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

Leviticus 24:13-16... Then the Lord said to Moses: Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him. Say to the Israelites: ‘Anyone who curses their God will be held responsible; anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord is to be put to death. The entire assembly must stone them. Whether foreigner or native-born, when they blaspheme the Name they are to be put to death.

Exodus 31:12-15...Then the Lord said to Moses: “Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do any work on that day must be cut off from their people. For six days work is to be done, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death.

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SMH. These are all Old Testament stuff.
Why not list, similar, for the New Testament?
You know, you're incredibly irresponsible,
for not listing, similar, as being taught or preached in New Testament too?

MrBrownJay1:
...and you have the AUDACITY to call your holy book non violent?!?!?!
abeg, go get a refund on your brain!!!!!
instead of thanking me for educating you on your holy evil book you are still here trying to write irrelevant rubbish to the issue at hand?

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What a bloody drama queen you are.
Excuse any bad grammar, as, I am typing these whilst belly laughing!

So, it's this kind of nonsense that's filled up, what's in your head, you call a brain? Erh? SMH

I expect you to respond back with the same tired and recycled nonsense,
so I am going now to sweep leaves up in the garden.

johnw47:
well as you know:
The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off
remain peeved

On the contrary, I am peeved agnostic
In fact, I agape love you more than I agape love you a second ago

Glycolysis:
Did you just quoted a Bible verse to condemn tattooing ....
You should not condemn tattooing sir, if you could condone homosexuality....
If you condemn tattooing, then you should condemn homosexuality!

I quoted a Bible verse to condemn a specific but not explicitly named type of tattooing.
I dont completely condemn tattooing sir.

For what you understand "homosexuality" to be, "homosexuality" is not condemned
What would be condemned is infidelity in "homosexuality".
What will be condemed is promisciousity in "homosexuality".

Glycolysis:
That instances I made about tattooing, Atheism & masturbation is to show how actually daft & dumb you sound with your homosexuality remark...,
because they possess the whole qualities you listed there from flesh perspective,
or if you think otherwise, bring you facts up & prove me wrong....

You are trying to juggle hundred balls in the air at the same time.
Stick to juggling one ball at a time mayne.

Why havent you acquired knowledge from investigating the reason, history and background of the tattoos God was against.
God is against tattooing, for the same reasons, that what "homosexuality" originally was about

Luckily that "homosexuality" original practice that is an abomination to God is, at least, today and in our age, found to be still practised in India

As for, believing there is no God (i.e. atheism), the bible says, whoever says, "there is no God"
has taken a wrong decision and made a wrong judgment

As for, masturbation, the bible is not against a legitimate excuse for sexual self arousal or sexual self pleasure

Glycolysis:
BUT ONE QUALITY THEY ALL (homosexuality, atheism, tattooing & masturbation) HAVE IN COMMON IS THESE ;

THEY SUBJECT ONES SOUL TO ETERNAL SUFFERINGS & DEFILE GOD'S TEMPLE (the human body)

I think you left out adultery, fornication etcetera
Glycolysis, have you committed adultery?
How many times have you, how often or how regular do you commit adultery?
Think about Matthew 5:27-28 first, before answering though

Glycolysis:
Take a look at these ;

"If a man also lie with MANKIND, as he lieth with a WOMAN, both of them have committed an ABOMINATION;
they shall surely be put to DEATH; their blood shall be upon them "...
---Leviticus 20 vs 13

And here is another read...

" Thou shall not lie (have sex) with mankind, as with WOMANKIND; it is abomination "...
---Leviticus 18 :22

And here too, I got another read 4 you...
Roman 1:18-32....especially verse 24 & 27

I am glad you are aware of these verse.
I appreciate you taking time to quote them here for all to see. You are very kind.

Paul in Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24 & 27 is echoing what happened around when Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were given
Glycolysis, now the $64,000 question is, stating clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt,
what correctly, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the committed abomination they did before God?
(i.e. what correctly and pato, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the things they do/did, that God hates and/or detests?)

Glycolysis:
I will appreciate you show me a place in the Bible that God supports homosexuality

You are not sincere in your quest, you are not after the truth
especially when there is a different contextual meaning of the homosexuality that God "does not" supports.

Glycolysis:
If it were to be an atheist that supports homosexuality,
I won't even bother myself engaging on all these,...because he/she don't believe & accept the Bible & the reality of God...

Glycolysis, I once read an old wise saying that said:
"Never confuse a hunger for knowledge, with a thirst for truth"

What are you after? Knowledge or Truth?

johnw47:
sorry you are so inflamed toward me...

Yeah, not inflamed
but love you and thats why until lately, I have religiously being liking almost all your posts, read all over the place

johnw47:
... oops that's a fib

Your nose has stretched through the window to me from where you are.

johnw47:
i would say thanks for the lecture mutt, except it's nonsense, as usual

You're extremely so predictable
Aw, wish I could see you, rub your chubby face together and plant a kiss on it.
Sarcasm has never being your forte anyway
God bless you

johnw47:
does that mean you don't like me mutt?

You know me John
I like and love you to death and after

johnw47:
holier-than-thou me doesn't say i don't lie
holier-than-thou me doesn't say i don't sin anymore

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I am glad to read this honesty coming from you

So its the classic, for every time, you point a finger, three point back at you then
Perhaps you should look at yourself three times
and find out about the situation you are pointing at picking and finding a close-mindness fault with
1/ Instead of wasting time. Find out, what happened that brought the situation?
2/ Instead of being negativity prone. Find out why did the situation happen?
3/ Instead of being impatient. Find out how is/was the situation handled or how am I to handle the situation?

johnw47:
you got it back the front mutt, as usual

No I havent, I am helping a brother out understanding you and your modus operandi
You have the tendency to be quickly irritated and impatient
You throw the baby out with the bathwater

MrBrownJay1:
***NOT A SINGLE POINT MADE TO DISCREDIT THE FACT THAT YOUR HOLY BOOK IS EVIL/VIOLENT****

Truth will always be truth, regardless of your lack of understanding, disbelief and/or ignorance

MrBrownJay1:
i am giving this follow follow sheep constructive POINTS that his holy book is a violent book,
and his deluded reply gives not a single point to foolishly try to discredit it. how could he anyway?
you can just open any holy book and read violence upon violence (if you have a functioning brain).
abeg go to your holy temple and have some more brainwash.....
when you have something valuable to write then come again.

I am praticising what I preach
There is no point in bursting your balls, the only thing that makes you feel important and gives you some element of self-esteem.
I am a lover, not homo, not that there is anything wrong in being gay, so yeah, I am a lover, not a fighter.
I steer clear of violence because the Bible, in the New Testatment, says so

If you are twice intelligent as you try to appear as,
you might narrowly qualify to understand the emboldened above comment and not stupidly again, mistake it to be Korean

MrBrownJay1:
you have been EDUCATED on your violent evil holy book (free of charge and no tithe needed), whether you want to accept it

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You are so intelligent, well informed, kind and caring
What address should I send you a "Thank You" card to?

MrBrownJay1:
OR put your head in the sand and believe that your book is actually a caring one
(while it is as clear as day that it is filled with violence) is up to you!

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bloodofthelamb:
1 John2:1( ESV)_ My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin.
But "if" anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father- Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

Gal 5:16_ Walk in the Spirit and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
N:B-The "lust of the flesh" here is sin.

This scriptures all testify that it is possible for those who are in fellowship with God not to sin.
I put up this thread because someone by the name johnw47 has been charging me with lies.

Let's examine 1 John2:1 closely. John the beloved was writing to the saint asking them not to sin, because it was possible not to. 1b- But if anyone do sin we have an advocate. 1John2:1b is a plan B, a fall back of plan A.

In grammatical terms the word "if" is used when there is uncertainty about whether the event will happen at all.
But if anyone do sin is under probability. It might happen or might not. The original will of God is we sin not in Christ through his amazing grace.

It is possible not to sin in this life.

Faith and belief cometh by hearing, and hearing, by the word of God

Everything you put up here, is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
It's simple, short and sweet.

I wouldnt loose sleep over johnw47, if I were you
Critical and holier-than-thou johnw47, will have you believe that he doesnt lie
Critical and holier-than-thou johnw47, will have you believe that he doesnt lie to himself, when he looks at mirror
Critical and holier-than-thou johnw47, will have you believe that he doesnt do little white lies
Only God knows how many lies before end of today, critical and holier-than-thou johnw47 would commit.

MrBrownJay1:
Open your dictionary and go look at what hypocrisy is...
then open your bible and read about ALL THE VIOLENCE written in it,
then see if you (a follower of that said holy book) asking people to be non violent, is not the definition of an hypocrite. lol!

You're actually having a laugh at yourself Mr-Authority-On-What-Hypocrisy-is

Learners dont know that the end of a matter is better than the beginning
In the end, violence, was teached and preached against in the New Testament

So, everything, violence included, has a place and time
Everything, violence included, begins and ends at exactly the right time and place
Everything, violence included, has to come to an end, sometime MrBrownJay1 aka Mr-Authority-On-What-Hypocrisy-is

MrBrownJay1:
sorry, i dont speak Korean....do you speak English by any means?!

Whether I speak English or dont is not a problem for you.
Your problem is that you've havent mastered English enough to understand,
so you need an interpreter to translate to your mother tongue, comments like these, that go beyond your comprehension.
You must be thick or something, you think its Korean and not know its English

MrBrownJay1:
evil is evil, violence is violence...whether your holy book saw it as necessary (or not) is irrelevant to people with a brain, you hypocrite! you can try all you want to twist the issue telling us all that what your evil holy book saw as necessary, is NOT violence/evil. ARRANT NONSENSE!

People always seem to know half of the Bible, (i.e. Old Testament)
and to get it confused with the other half (i.e. New Testament)
I can hazard a guess, that you wont understand the above comment, and so stupidly would, again, say its Korean

MrBrownJay1:
again, i dont speak Korean (nor gibberish), do you speak English by any chance?

Still playing at your puerile games are you

MrBrownJay1:
who cares who they are?!

To who cares, then they will know the truth,
and then the truth will set them free of theirs and your ignorance

MrBrownJay1:
i repeat what i said so you dont try to smokescreen theis issue.....

I havent employed a smokescreen.
I have no need for a smokescreen. I dont plan or intend to use a smokescreen.

Your, like a bull in a china shop posts, doesnt merit a response.
If not for the strawman in your post to my original comment, I wouldnt have dignified you a response

MrBrownJay1:
your holy book is based on the old testament, which is FILLED with violence and evil atrocities...
why/who/how these atrocities were allowed is irrelevant to the issue at hand.
your holy book is violent, preach for violence and have been used all over the world to oppress and kill billions of people.

So you are no longer interested in "upgraded version (aka new testament) filled with violence" any more?

Asking you who the perpetrators and victims in "upgraded version (aka new testament) filled with violence" are scared you, so you changed tactic

MrBrownJay1:
prove anything i have written above wrong, i dare you and any of your follow follow sheep to prove me wrong that your holy book is not an evil book

All you are doing is strawman mining and deflecting

MrBrownJay1:
i already did.... you have not said anything that makes any sense on the subject at hand...
just writing rubbish gibberish like most uneducated xtians follow follow sheep who know nothing about their holybook and its teachings

Your groundless opinion and ignorance on this matter of violence humbles me
I have sympathy for your terrible ability to understand of simple English comments

MrBrownJay1:
go tell your nonsense to your favourite fraudster in robe tomorrow.....

You are constipated and that's why you come out, full of shit, like this.

budaatum:
Because God told me not to

Because God told you not to what?

budaatum:
though he is said to have written it rather unclearly in the Holy Bible which came to me through various edits and translations from an unclear archaic language no one speaks or writes anymore and which someone has preached to me and which I believe!

Ignorance is death, but knowledge is power.
Ever heard of 2 Timothy 2:15 at all?

budaatum:
What the heck!
Did you just ask me to use my brain and think for myself perhaps? May God forbid bad thing!

Yes it called having a living existence

Glycolysis:
Do you know the problem I have here with you?

I should be the least of the problems you have.
You should be worried with the problems you are having getting to know and understand the whole truth of this matter

Glycolysis:
You can justify homosexuality with what ever you want, but take God out of the picture!

But, would you? No!
You will still go to another thread & try to condemn atheist!

I wish they could see you're as deceived as they are,they wouldn't be taking you serious....
What does tattooing, that's consented, loving, no detrayal, or cheating in one another, termed harmful as other human tendencies?

Dont tell me that you dont know the historical reason, background and circumstances why God in Leviticus 19:28, was against tatooing?

Glycolysis:
What is atheism, that's loving, consented, no betrayal, committing, no cheating, & human caring, termed harmful as other human tendencies?

You're clutching straws with this incomprehensible sentence

Glycolysis:
What is masturbation, mind blowing, loving, no harm to your fellow human, no betrayal, no cheating, termed as harmful as other human tendencies?

You must be desperate,
you are now clawing at the dregs at the bottom of the drum with another incomprehensible sentence. SMH

Glycolysis:
The Bible standards are not yours to make!

Why isnt 2 Timothy 2:15 impressed on the mind?
We definitely wont be having this conversation if you had taken to the useful and informative advice in 2 Timothy 2:15.
Just do Acts 17:11, to whatever I post or comment about

Glycolysis:
Your opinion would not matter at last !

I dont do opinion(s).
I deal with truth(s) and fact(s)

Glycolysis:
Without me being disrespectful, insultive & derogatory....you're sounding dumb & daft with your advice that I need go learning ,wider..especially, in the issue on discuss

Wow, I must have hit on a raw nerve.
For you, I can sound dumb and daft for as long as you want me, need me or as long as is necessary to

Glycolysis:
I suppose, you should go learn the Bible, but these time, with the Holy spirit guidance...

I will put this down as a prayer wish on my prayer list, for you, to have Holy Spirit guidance.

Glycolysis:
My problem still is under the umbrella you're hiding to misguide & mislead souls .....

Your problem is you dont have any good reason or valid excuse, for saying, consenting adults, having a faithful, committed, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship
that has no detriment to, no betrayal of or no cheating on another person, is harmful, as many other harmful human tendencies

chrisbaxtian:
I ignored this in the beginning,
but equating homosexuality with congenital disorders and birth deformities is quite disturbing.
You sure say you well so?!
abeg wetin concern sexual orientation with conjoined twins and people with birth defects?!

Wasnt it first, you drawing a natural line demarcation?
Saying homosexuality is a deviation from the norm
and saying its a sign that something is horribly wrong with the psychology of the individual(s) involved.

Are you sure, you are well so, as it just seems you've suddenly developed amnesia
The cheek of it, telling me "You sure say you well so?!"

chrisbaxtian:
homosexuality is nothing more than an orientation.
You are gay because you have been conditioned by influences to be gay.

homosexuality is nothing more than an orientation,
same manner heterosexuality is nothing more than an orientation.
How are you gay because you have been conditioned by influences to be gay?
What influences, what are the influences that conditions a person to be gay? SMH

chrisbaxtian:
Like I said earlier, nobody is born gay.

Well you are wrong, some people are born gay.
Some people just arent attracted to the opposite sexes.

chrisbaxtian:
Nobody is born with a sexual orientation embedded in they psyche!

Well, wake up and smell the coffee, in the real world, some do

chrisbaxtian:
It is a learned behavior, an aberrant one for that matter!

I think you want to type, its a suppressed behaviour because of fear and societal pressure

LordReed:
Does it not reinforce that belief?

Primesky:
First of all, let's call it the real name, homosexuality!. For me I think the comparison is off.

I am glad you brought up the matter of calling it its real name.
Unfortunately, homosexuality isnt its real name
In fact, the word homosexuality and/or homosexual, actually is a word that is barely 200 years old.

The word "homosexual" was invented in 1868, and the word "homosexuality" certainly was not around in Biblical times
Another fact, is that the word "homosexual" was first printed in a book in 1869, and then placed in the Bible in 1946.

Now this new information, begs the following questions
1/ What is the real name?
2/ What is or were the original words translated as "homosexual" or "homosexuality"?

Primesky:
We were born in sin, that's correct, but that wasn't the design or plan if God for man.
Hence, Jesus came to redeem us, and restore us back to the original state.

Homosexuality or being gay, is a great error and confusion.
The bible said, God made them male and female. Eve was made for Adam.
Never accept homosexuality as normal thing, that's a lie from the devil.

Homosexuality or being gay is few and far in between
Less than 10% of the 7.6 billion world population is gay

Homosexuality or being gay is an anomaly, God hasnt a problem with it

I am quite sure you "dont" lie
and you dont accept lying as a normal thing because the devil is a liar too.
Remember the lie to Eve

Primesky:
This was one of the reasons why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, and burned down the city with everything in it.
God has not, and will never condone homosexuality.

This is a lie from the pit of hell because it wasnt because sheer homosexuality that God had Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed.

The bible, in Ezekiel 16:48-50, lets us know that, the cup of God's wrath for Sodom and Gomorrah was full
because Sodom and Gomorrah was arrogant and spoiled;
they had everything they needed and still refused to help the poor and needy.
They thought they were better than everyone else, and that they did things God hates
(i.e. they committed abomination before God)

The $64,000 question is, stating clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt,
what correctly, is the committed abomination they did before God?
(i.e. what correctly, is the things they do/did, that God hates and/or detests?)
The person with the first right answer gets a prize

Primesky:
Romans
1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Booted penalty kick in to throw in, that is what happens when you are ill-informed
As a matter of fact, what happened in Romans 1:24-27 still happens in India

Glycolysis:
Hence,I said earlier on,I still wonder people ( Christians,precisely) that takes you serious on nairaland....
God's plan for man is to go & procreate...though,legally.

If I'm single,and engages in sexual intercourse,even though i should be heterosexual,it's an inordinate desire I just fulfilled with the flesh...

If I'm married, then sexual intercourse with my spouse in God's plan for humanity...

On the case of homosexuality, both married & unmarried, is never God's plan for humanity....

You just ended up fulfilling the lust of the flesh...
Even if the whole world decide to legalize it, it's never still God's plan for human!

And God will not change His standards to fit into your lustful desire!

And I repeat again ;
HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT GENETIC !

Or,you can keep comparing YOURSELF with sub humans to justify your point....
Good for you !

Do you know what?
Without being disrespectful, abusive, insulting or offensive, you're turning into a parrot, repeating and flicking cliche-ridden comments about

What is lust of the flesh?
Is there a lust of the flesh grade?
If there is what grade will gay person be?
Will it be greater or lower than the lust of the flesh Eve succumbed to?
No, lust of flesh is rare among consenting adults, in a faithful, committed, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship.

Brother, farabale, farabale, farabale
What's the fear about?
Simmer down, you just need to begin to unlearn what you've learned, then relearn and learn all over again

You see, half of wisdom, is learning what lies of homosexuality, to unlearn