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Perfectbeing:
Are we still separating the lamb from the Father?

Maamin:
The one sitted on the throne there is the Father.

paxonel:
just believe in him that's all. John 3:16

Just believe in him the kingdom already right here with you, you don't need to do anything else.

You are a christian that means you already believe, you have the kingdom already.

The kingdom is christianity.

Just go about live your life freely, that's all.

paxonel:
are you saying that only twelve were selected for the kingdom?

Maximus85:
Let's me explain it better.

But first,
Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

That kingdom is coming from where?

Perfectbeing:
"I am that I am"?

Perfectbeing:
Sorry bro. it looks like I'm trolling but I'm not.

Jesus admonishes us to make disciples, baptizing them in name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Not Father, Son, Holy Spirit and my other limitless manifestations..
My point exactly is that any other of God's manifestations is included in this "Father, Son and Holy Spirit"

MuttleyLaff:
I honestly do feel like giving you a bear hug italö.
I just love your forthright honesty and admire your unashamed naivety

Where is or which verse, did you find this Trinitarian formula from?
and are you sure of the authenticity of this verse compared with the original text?

Did John the Baptist perform this your "invocation of the Holy Trinity" version for Jesus too?

Now, here is me answering any questions you have for me ...including and starting with the bold...

MuttleyLaff:
Ouch! No!!
Tell me you didnt go for Matt 28:19
I knew you'll rise to that bait and go for Matt 28:19
but prayed and hope you would have the sense not to

MuttleyLaff:
Whatever, is written, in the Bible, is not wrong.
I cant vouch, same, for the translations though.
An example, is your favourite "Matthew 28:19"
where insertions or additions to the original text were made, to end up with what we presently have as "Matthew 28:19"

Perfectbeing:
No

Perfectbeing:
The thing is that, the Bible didn't use the name God to refer to Jesus and Holy Spirit. So people drew conclusions that since this is so, then Jesus is different from God and the Holy Spirit is not God. Trying to let people see this Jesus, and this Holy Spirit as one and the same with God is what I'm doing.
Probably I'm not supposed to use the word "Trinity" but maybe the reason is that I am Limited by English.
I don't know if you get...

Perfectbeing:
They are not three persons but one.
That's what I'm trying to say.

Maamin:
OK! Let's agree on that then.

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

I just want us all not to contradict the scripture.

Perfectbeing:
I believe in the Trinity. Not Trinity as 3 Gods.
But trinity as one God.
The invisible God.
God as a man. (Jesus)
The spirit of God. (The Holy Spirit)

I don't see those 3 as three Gods.
I see them as one God.

Primesky:
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Maamin:
Ok...here

Two thrones were mentioned
That of God and that of the lamb..none for the holy spirit.
How do we add this up as well to arrive at this very trinity doctrine
Revelation 7:10
And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.”

Revelation 21:22
I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

Revelation 11:15
…“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord [God] and of his Christ [Jesus], and he will reign for ever and ever.”

Revelation 22:1
Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb.

Revelation 5:13
…“To him who sits on the throne [God] and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!”

Those are the verses

Maamin:
I said "NO" again... meaning it is possible

Look, don't confuse yourself with the 'NO'. If you had used.."possible" I would have said 'YES'

And I also have ability to send my emanation more like my reflection/image out to do it since he too can carry out the very tax perfectly like it were me or the very me. wink

Perfectbeing:
My last statement is in the form of a question. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. What is God? And what is the Spirit of God? Are they two different things or are they then same thing.

Maamin:
And my answer was "NO" meaning it is possible.

Perfectbeing:
I actually don't know how else to construct my English o..
What tribe are you? So I can use Google Translator..

Maamin:
What is so complex in my question?

How do you explain the two thrones in revelations that of the Father and that of the Son , according to you they are figurative. You promised earlier to comment on that.?

MuttleyLaff:
"Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently be, in Heaven and earth, at any moment of time?"

Maamin:
Simultaneously in other words To be everywhere at anytime

MuttleyLaff:
God is already everywhere at anytime

"Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently
be, God the Father in Heaven
and be the Son of God on earth, at any moment of time?"

Maamin:
No!

Perfectbeing:
Sorry to ask.
Is the Spirit of God different from the Holy Spirit?

MuttleyLaff:
"Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently be, in Heaven and earth, at any moment of time?"

Maamin:
Simultaneously in other words To be everywhere at anytime

Perfectbeing:
I'll like to use Isaiah 11:2 to ask a question.
Isaiah 11:2 And the Spirit of the LORD will rest on him the Spirit of wisdom and understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and might,
the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.

Are the Spirit of the Lord, The Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might and the Spirit of knowledge different from each other?

Perfectbeing:
Did you read my post where I explained why God is called father of our Lord Jesus. It seems you haven't. Please do

Maamin:
At what point did Jesus became the Son of God?

Perfectbeing:
Are you a witness? I don't mean any harm. I just wanna know. Probably I'll know how to explain my views clearly to you

Maamin:
To be frank, I am not a JW. Many always think I am because of my believe.

Maamin:
OK let's do it like this
the God that beget Jesus is God (the father)
The one that is begotten is God (the son)

The point here is that one is father and the other is son. They can't be equal

In such case reconcile it with the Holy spirit too, since it was not begotten at anytime.

Maamin:
In such case reconcile it with the Holy spirit too, since it was not begotten at anytime.

Maamin:
How did I stylishly didn't answer your question?

Maamin:
To answer your question
God can be anywhere at anytime through the power of his holy spirit that fills up or inhabit the worlds even as deep as eternity.

Maamin:
Didn't we just said the same thing in different ways or understanding?
The bolded part bellow buttress my point

Maamin:
In other words there is Jesus and there is God who is a spirit or better known as the Holy spirit

Maamin:
The Holy Spirit is always left out of these greetings, isn't it unusual if actually the trinity was scriptural or Christ taught it?

Perfectbeing:
In other words, there's the father and the son but not the Holy Spirit..
Is that what you're saying or am I misinterpreting you?

Maamin:
No!
Rather pointing to you that the trinity doctrine was not taught by Christ nor his disciples who were closed to him because it never was.

Maamin:
To answer your question God can be anywhere at anytime through the power of his holy spirit that fills up or inhabit the worlds even as deep as eternity.

The funny thing is how the third party in the trinity is less talked about or completely and stylishly left out in the heat of conversation.

Trinity remains a false and pagan concept.

We shall know the truth and the truth shall set us free indeed.

Shalom aleikhem

TechCapon:
I'm very happy Nairaland has encrypted the website.
Seun is quietly working, Nairaland is secure

johnydon22:
I will post 2 pairs of moral enquiring scenarios to see how people would respond to that.
Let us understand the intricacies our moral deductions.

Best way for this to work as intended is, you answer each question before even looking at the nexr question

1. A man walks past a pond and sees a young child drowning.
He can easily save the child, as the pond is shallow enough that he can stand.
But he will ruin his expensive suit in doing so.
If he doesn’t save the child, nobody else will, and the child will die.

Is he morally obligated to walk into the pond and save the child?

johnydon22:
1b. A man plans to buy an expensive suit.
With the money he intends to spend, he could instead save the child who lives in some distant country and is dying from malaria.
Without the man's money, the child will die.

Is he morally obligated to forego buying the suit and to save the child instead?

johnydon22:
2. You are standing at the point a train track breaks into two ways.
5 men are working on one side of the track, 1 man is working on the other side,
each of them has a sound blocker blocking their ears and do not know the train is inbound.

You have the opportunity to push the track lever and direct the train to either of the sides.

Which of the sides would you rather have the trail go?

johnydon22:
2b. You are standing on a bridge above a train track with a fat man at the point a train track.
5 men are working on the the track each of them has a sound blocker blocking their ears and do not know the train is inbound.

The fat man with you can wedge the train if pushed under the train

Would you push him or not?

geoworldedu:
But did the holy ghost not fornicate as accused?

Perfectbeing:
I think we should all ignore the op.
We'll only be feeding the troll.

Perfectbeing:
I repeat, ignore.. Do not feed the trolls

geoworldedu:
The holy spirit sabi better thing, chei!
Holy Spirit saw Elizabeth, didn't sleep with her, prolly cos she was old, haggard and ugly. Sexy Mary, chei!
This girl too sweet for straff. Sharply, Holy Spirit straff am, perhaps he drugged her cos she wasn't aware.
Sharply Sexy Mary got pregnant.

Sex b4 marriage, holy spirit is guilty. Hmm.

Christians in the house, come and defend the Holy Spirit in this situation.

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geoworldedu:
By committing fornication with Mary, will you say that the Holy Spirit has led by example?
Can same be done to the nuns and reverend sisters by the popes and fathers?

Primesky:
Your hatred for the truth has blinded your mind and understanding.

Was Elizabet a virgin?.
How are you so sure that she hadn't had sex with her husband before then?.
A virgin must carry the sinless blood, to stop foolish talkers and boasters from doubting the authenticity of the blood.
The blood of Jesus Christ remains the only sinless blood in the whole universe.
Unless you're cleansed by it, you can never be cleansed not saved!

Can you see how dirty your heart is?.
The mouth can never say what isn't in the heart.
This is the reason you need Jesus Christ now!.
Such filtiness can't survive God's glory and righteous presence.

A careful look at your reasoning and words will reveal the source.
Such filthy and sexulised character is only promoted by the fallen angels.
This is the same reason why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah!

It is only an ignorant fly that will boast itself against a raging furnace.

Blessed be the one and only Holy and righteous God.

Salvation is free for all, but only the wise take it.

Perfectbeing:
I think we should all ignore the op. We'll only be feeding the troll.

Perfectbeing:
I repeat, ignore.. Do not feed the trolls

Originakalokalo:
This one is doomed already.

Any blasphemy against the spirit is not forgiven..Not here and definitely not after here.

Your sins are after you and there is No one to plead for you.

You are doomed brother.

Believe me,

You are doomed.

hopefulLandlord:
Holy Spirit is imaginary and a foolish entity
Yahweh of the Jewish mythology is a fool, Jesus of the Roman mythology is an idiot

OtemAtum:
How has the Op sinned against your Holy Sule?
Is it a sin to tell the truth?
He said that your holy sule committed Fornication, didn't he?

budaatum:
He was suspended indefinitely for daring to criticise the actions of the Jewish state and can't come back to the Labour Party through any door as opposition against him is way too intense. We just can't have him back under any circumstances. Besides, he'd still fall foul of the current LPs's current antisemitism code as it is.

Below are extracts about him from wiki. It's one of those that not just anyone can edit so I'd give it some credence. The last comment is one I strongly share.

Yes, that section does exist. It's sort of like a quiet place for them, which I reckon is a good idea.
They are criticised when they stray away from the protection of that section, so I wouldn't agree that we are "very careful not to offend" them on the site as a whole.
Christians should perhaps have a place like that, however, if they keep posting antiatheist threads in it then perhaps they shouldn't deserve one. I do think we don't bombard Christian threads where people are worshipping their God though,
or at least not as much as in one they set up specifically for atheist bashing. What NL needs is a Philosophy Section.
Then perhaps we atheists would have to find better things than Yahweh worshipper bashing to do. Though, I must say, I've never seen a mod in here!

In January 2009, Livingstone responded to the Gaza War by calling for the European Union and the UK to bring home their ambassadors to Israel to express disapproval for the "slaughter and systematic murder of innocent Arabs".

Livingstone was suspended from the Labour Party in April 2016 after he was accused of "bringing the party into disrepute" following a BBC Radio London interview in which he claimed Adolf Hitler "was supporting Zionism before he went mad and ended up killing six million Jews". Livingstone had been invited to discuss the suspension of Labour MP Naz Shah, after it became known Shah had forwarded a satirical map on Facebook suggesting that Israel should be relocated to the United States.
Livingstone described Shah's postings, which were made before she became an MP at the 2015 general election, as "rude and over-the-top" but not antisemitic, adding that he had never encountered antisemitism in Labour. Livingstone defended his claim about Hitler and Zionism by reference to Lenni Brenner's Zionism in the Age of the Dictators, and many commentators suggested that Livingstone was referring to the Haavara Agreement between Nazi Germany and the Zionist Federation of Germany. Livingstone's statements were criticised by historians, although the political scientist Norman Finkelstein said that whilst "Livingstone maybe wasn't precise enough, and lacked nuance", his comments did reflect Hitler's initial ambivalence towards Zionism.


Livingstone said there was a "well-orchestrated campaign by the Israel lobby to smear anybody who criticises Israeli policy as antisemitic".

Shelumiel:
Source please .

budaatum:
I think what the Labour Party has adopted is good enough,
and would exclude the likes of Livingstone, who can't be accepted back anyway unless Corbyn wants to resign and end the LP in one fell swoop.

I heard on Victoria Derbyshire that the person who wrote the original definition of antisemitism is opposed to the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance's version that some Jews want to impose on the Labour Party now.
The claim is that the IHRA one want to silence all critisism of anything the Israeli's do and has already been used for that purpose.
It's not the backdoor they want to shut, but the windows, the chimney, the airvents, and everything else that sounds like critisism.

I just wish we too could be as smart and get the same for blackness and racism.
Surely more blacks died of slavery than Jews in the holocaust!