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RuthlessLeader:
According to you christians God is an unchangeable God.

Please, if you havent yet been,
I'll like you to be objective, factual, unprejudiced and most of all, be well-informed, as you next comment or post remarks

RuthlessLeader:
Even the jesus said that he didn't come to abolish the law itself.

When laws supersede each other,
why would you think Jesus has to and/or needed to abolish the law or any law for that matter Ruth'. Hmm?

RuthlessLeader:
So if it was applicable then it is applicable now.

You brought up Deutoronomy 22:28-29 first, didnt you?
You must know a thing or two about Deutoronomy 22:28-29
and that's really why, I requested you explain how Deutoronomy 22:28-29 was applicable back then
and let's both see whether or not it's something that today stands the test of time
(i.e. explain how, when, where it was applicable then and let's both see how it is applicable now)

RuthlessLeader:
Even if you say that was a different time with less morality we are talking about Yahweh here. This was a god who parted the red sea, covered an entire country in three days darkness, caused a worldwide flood.
If god despised rape, he would put up a law punishing rapists and not telling victims to marry their rapists.

Facepalm.
Are you sure you know much of this Deutoronomy 22:28-29 you're talking on about here?

RuthlessLeader:
So that means deutoronomy 22:28-29 is still applicable today right?

Why not explain how Deutoronomy 22:28-29 was applicable back then
and let's both see whether or not it's something that today stands the test of time

bedspread:
you are Decieving yourself!
Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but My Word shall never pass away....

Empty rhetoric

RuthlessLeader:
But that bedspread guy doesn't know his own bible I'm sure of it.

He isnt alone

hopefulLandlord:
I'm skeptical of this news though.
First off the headline of the thread exaggerated what happened. its worded as though most/all Christians apologised whereas they're apparently just a few vocal minority
Secondly, there's no proof those are Christians, they could all be pantheists who are gay trying to push an agenda for all we know

"Members of the Church of Freedom in Christ Ministries apologize for Christians at a gay pride parade in the Phillipines.
Religion has often been used to put down the LGBT community.
But at a pride parade this past weekend in Marikina,
a city just east of the Phillipines' capital of Manila,
a group of Christians gathered to say something different: I'm sorry.

Members of the Church of Freedom in Christ Ministries stood at the main entrance of the parade
holding signs that offered apologies for how the LGBT community has been treated by Christians.

Their banners read,
"We're here to apologize for the ways that we as Christians have harmed the LGBT community."

Some of the signs had more personal sentiments.
One man's stated, "Can we hug you?"

According to parade-goer Kohlin Lallabban, many took the group up on the offer.

"It was so genuine and most of us got teary eyed when we saw them," Lallabban said.
The demonstration was part of the church's
"I'm Sorry" campaign, through which members seek to apologize on behalf of their fellow Christians
for the way biblical writings have been used against the LGBT community.

In a statement on its Facebook page, the church wrote,
"We do not need the recognition of people
but the heart-warming response of those who accepted our sincere apologies motivates
and encourages us to continue doing this mission of our church."

Lallaban thinks the act means an exceptional amount to the Filipino LGBT community,
which has often been at odds with the nation's heavily Catholic culture....
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/02/health/christians-apologize-at-pride-parade-trnd/index.html"

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Some church members made their own signs.

There always has to be that one doubting hopefulLandlord Thomas

bigismalls:
How do we get this to front page in order to shed more light, re educate people, create awareness, preach tolerance so as to reduce level of religious intolerance and chaos in the world at large.
I know we have a long way to go, but the journey of a thousand miles begins with a step!

Tolerance will naturally slot in
when regardless of your sexual orientation, we preach chastity, faithfulness, loyalty, honesty, love, lifetime commitment, fidelity etcetera
Regardless of your sexual orientation, preach against infidelity, promiscuity, unfaithfulness, dishonesty, cheating on partner, lust, greed etcetera

On a slight detour, Johanna Siguroardottir, Leo Varadkar, Xavier Bettel, Ana Brnabic, Shabnam Mausi, Elio Di Rupo etcetera
I almost forgot to chip in Alan Turing, too
Anyone familiar with any of these chaps?

PS: I deliberately refrained from mentioning celebrities along with those few

RuthlessLeader:
Bisexuals even have twice as many options.

Yep, you're right
and when they do make their choice,
they can be and usually are committed, honest, faithful in the relationship that's meaningful and lasting a life time

bedspread:
You are Loved
but ur acts of LGBT is Wickedness and Abominable!!
It is Sinful and only Gurantee you Hell Fire!!

1/ What act exactly are you on about?
2/ What exactly is wickedness of in the act?
3a/ To who exactly is the act abominable to?
3b/ Why is the act abominable to your answer to "who" in #3a above?
4/ What exactly and/or what's the form of this alleged sin, that guarantees a free pass to "Hell fire"

Exhaustive bible verses to support your answers are most welcome

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Temidayo9:
What is LGBT?

RuthlessLeader:
Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transexual

The B in LGBT, I personally think, is about trying to have your cake and eat it too
If you want to be Osakala, be Osakala,
if you want to be Osokolo, be Osokolo,
but dont be mixing Osakala & Osokolo together
One can't have it both ways, that is just pure "ojukokuro, afẹjumọ" greed

xpmode:
Why should they be allowed if they have not repented of theirs evil ways.
why should they polute the congregation of the Lord.
Allowing them to -come inside the church is against Biblical Principle (Act 2v41-47).
If they wanted to come in the door is open, as long as they are ready to repent.

1/ What exactly is/are the evil ways, they have not repented from?
2/ As long as they are ready to repent from what gangan?

xpmode:
As at today, there are non LGBT who are yet to repent from their old ways, we see them causing troubles in the church

The B in LGBT, I personally think, is about trying to have your cake and eat it too
If you want to be Osakala, be Osakala,
if you want to be Osokolo, be Osokolo,
but dont be mixing Osakala & Osokolo together
One can't have it both ways, that is just pure "ojukokuro, afẹjumọ" greed

9inches:
So how will they get the right information that might compel them to repent if not in the church?

1/ What right information exactly is this, that will force them to change?
2/ What precisely are they changing from, and what exactly are they changing into?

shaybebaby:
50 shades of gay
Don't beat me o!

budaatum:
With muttley?
The guy who refuses to write straight sentences?

I pass thanks. He'd have to bend!

MuttleyLaff being straight is good enough,
and probably maybe part of why the guy doesn't write straight sentences.

You have a free pass bud, as I can bend,
but with both hands firmly clasped behind my back

PS: 9inches doesn't and won't buy into your post up there

shaybebaby:
No double entendre previously.

As in?

shaybebaby:
You fellas made it too easy for me.

I wonder what it was that was difficult or hard before

budaatum:
The Church of England's creed which is Anglican reads as follows:
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic Church,
the communion of saints

The more detailed Nicene Creed, also read in the Anglican Church of England, reads as follows

We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.

They don't say "catholic" to "differentiate between us and the other sects" but to show the opposite, joint communion.

Every church claims to teach the version of the early Apostles.
It also seems every church wants to claim their's is more godly than anyone elses.

9inches:
The use of the word catholic with a small "c" does not mean the Catholic denomination. It is an older usage (from which the denomination drew its name) meaning "universal". Anglicanism is often called the "via media" or "middle way" between Catholicism and Protestantism.

• Adam & Eve in Eden, fast forward to Matthew 16:18 and Acts 2:41
• Roman Emperors Constantine and Licinius' Edict of Milan in AD 313 which established a policy of religious freedom for all.
(i.e. a proclamation that permanently legalised Christianity in the Roman Empire)
• Christianity becoming the official religion of the Roman Empire.
• the sell-out and/or shady deal(s)(e.g. "Church" and State collaboration under Constantine)
• The regularisation and formation of the Roman Catholic Church (i.e. RCC)
• Roman Empire's adoption of RCC as "official" church during Constantine's reign
• The supremacy of the Roman bishop (i.e. the papacy) created/aided with the support of the Roman emperors (i.e. Constantine and his successors)
• Constantine calling the First Council of Nicaea in AD 325, in an attempt to unify Christianity when doctrinal disputes arose
(e.g. Arianism, doctrines named after Arius, a teacher in the early 4th century A.D) and presiding over this first ecumenical church council
• the exploits of the apostles, all charged up in their faith, preaching the Gospel and like Jesus willing to die horrible deaths because of it.
• The apostolic period (i.e. including The "patristic writings'') - about contemporaries of the apostles like Linus, mentioned in 2 Timothy 4:21, and who became the bishop of Rome after Peter was martyred
• the ante-Nicene (i.e. before Nicaea) period - about the likes of Ignatius and his "ekklesia katholicos" phrase, he was a disciple of the apostle John
• the post-Nicene "church" period - about the likes of Augustine, bishop of Hippo, who is often called the father of the [Roman Catholic] Church because of his great work in Church doctrine
• The term "Roman Catholic" defined by Emperor Theodosius on February 27th, 380 in the Theodosian Code.
In that document, he referred to those who hold to the "religion which was delivered to the Romans by the divine Apostle Peter"
as "Roman Catholic Christians" and gave them the official sanction of the empire
• the first canon (i.e. Muratorian Canon), the progressive acceptance of other books as canonical and have them make up the 66 books of the bible
• The fall of the Roman Empire in AD 476 and the rise of the Roman Catholic Church
• the Pontifex Maximus; the highest office in the state religion of ancient Rome and at the collapse of the Roman Empire, RCC popes taking on this title that had previously belonged to the Roman emperors
• the tragic compromise of believers with the introduction of pagan religions and assimilation of paganism influences
(i.e. the Romanization and paganization of Christianity and the "Christianization" of pagan beliefs)
• Apostolic succession and Pope Gregory in AD 590, upon assuming office denying any responsibility or support for any ambition to the throne of Peter
• "Church" and State fully merged as the Holy Roman Empire

Preemptively, I provided the above bullet points, highlighting the gradual development of RCC.
Notice from the bullet points that, its Ignatius who first used the "ekklesia katholicos" phrase
(i.e. "ekklesia katholicos" means "the universal called out'')
and its Emperor Theodosius, on February 27th, 380 in the Theodosian Code, who defined the term "Roman Catholic" .

budaatum:
I'm sure if you'd tried hard enough, you'd have got me.

I did,
but you never once, came back to say, you're in with the in-camera+ its term(s)

shaybebaby:
50 shades of gay
Don't beat me o!

I see you. So, you've got jokes erh?

budaatum:
Did you miss the bit about my age?
Or the offense being at myself for engaging with people who lack manners?

I don't need anyone apologising to me mutt.
I've said my bit on the issue and moved on, and it would seem, so too has the person concerned.
It could after all have not been on purpose,
and that's the stance I'm willing to take on the subject barring evidence to the contrary.

Could you move on too maybe?

Your wish is my command. How many steps? Pẹlẹ.
PS: If not that you clammed up, I really was looking forward to catching up with you, in camera, that failed to happen

budaatum:
You are spot on with the "quick to take offense", but wrong with the "today".
We might be online, and not face to face, but manners still don't cost much.
Still, people can be asses if they wish to.
I however have regard for myself and don't have to engage with one.
And age has nothing to do with it. I am 12,
but that don't mean you get to insult me and get my time.

Strange, a Brit, changing my written "offence" to "offense"

We all grown, and no ones deliberately slung any insult at you on here or elsewhere

I too have regard for myself and high regard for you
so if any had done, then reproduce it here, word for word, verbatim here or elsewhere
Copy and paste the insult slung at you here, and the perpetrator who did it
I can bet my bottom dollar, it's not how you're taking it
Apologies can be sincerely tendered, if you still feel aggrieved

budaatum:
I'm not some kid you do humour with by slinging insults!

Geriatric is still a few years more away though too

You're very quick to take offence today.
What happened bud? Kilode fam, ki lo shele padi mi, Ebi mi wetin harpon?.

We all grown, and no ones deliberately slung any insult at you here
If any had done, then reproduce it here, word for word, verbatim here
Copy and paste the insult slung at you here, and the perpetrator who did it
I can bet my bottom dollar, it's not how you're taking it
Apologies can be tendered, if you still feel aggrieved

budaatum:
And please, could you consider minding your own skin instead of licking others?
You got me wrong so I'd assume you got orisa wrong too.

If you say, I got you wrong and orisa wrong, who am I to argue with that.
I'll just go in my little corner, go mind my own skin, licking it, instead of licking others.
Thanks for the timely advice

budaatum:
I'm not ignoring the other stuff you wrote, just can't get my head around it.

I know.
Those, that know the other stuff I wrote, know.

Ayomivic:
Let me see if you uderstand the scripture.
Why did God creats Human beings?

Necessity, it is often said, is the mother of invention, and play is the father
and so God, out of necessity, created human beings.
In this scheme of things/play, God created them, as a matter of fact, primarily because of two things

Ayomivic:
Support your answer with Bible verses.

The answer (i.e. two things) is easily corroborated with bible verses
however it will be premature to point the bible verses out

aminu790:
Islamic view:
One of the greatest attributes of Allaah is wisdom, and one of His greatest names is al-Hakeem (the most Wise).
It should be noted that He has not created anything in vain; exalted be Allaah far above such a thing.
Rather He creates things for great and wise reasons, and for sublime purposes.
Those who know them know them and those who do not know them do not know them.
Allaah has stated that in His Holy Book, where He says that He has not created mankind in vain,
and He has not created the heavens and the earth in vain. Allaah says
(interpretation of the meaning):
“Did you think that We had created you in play (without any purpose),
and that you would not be brought back to Us?”
So Exalted be Allaah, the True King:
Laa ilaaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Lord of the Supreme Throne!” [al-Mu’minoon 23:115, 116]
“We created not the heavens and the earth and all that is between them for a (mere) play” [al Anbiya’ 21:16]

Ayomivic:
you did not answer the question.
We know God creats us for purpose,
what is that purpose?

Ayomivic, the primary purpose of creating Man is to solve two problems

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Maamin:
Genesis 1: 26-28

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Ayomivic:
thank you bro.
If i understand you the purpose of we been created is to
"be fruithful,mutiply,replenish the earth subdue it and have dominion over other things God Created"

Are you saying God did not intentionally created us to be worshiping him?

Maamin:
Now that is the primary duty of the creation of mankind.
That is, to come to know God his creator and fellowship with him, rule and multiply and take dominion over all the earth and universe.
And this we can only do by keeping God's commandments
John 14:15 says "If ye love me, keep my commandment"

A man once asked Jesus the Son of God, which is the great commandment?

Matthew 22:37-40

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
You see that everything still boils down to loving God our creator and keeping his commandments.

Finally..

Ecc.12:13 "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man."

Ayomivic:
Bro God bless you.
You have explained perfectly but i still have questions to ask from what you wrote

first you said we should love God with all our soul and with all our heart
also you said that the whole duties of man is to fear God and keep his commandment.

You then said Jesus said if you love me keep my commandment

my questions now

1 loving God and fearing him is it the same with worshiping God?
Like muslims, they believe that observing salat five times a day is worship
and some believed that if they can maintain this they we save
some even make sure they leave a dark spot on their forehead as a sign of worshiping God.
Loving God and worshiping God is it the same?

if you love me keep my commandment.
And the commandment here is to love our neigbours as we love ourself. Right?

2 Are you saying their is no verse in sbripture where God gives command on how to worship him as Musliims are doing?

Ayomivic, what was the purpose for inventing the first automobile?
An automobile, no doubt, has many purposes, but there is a fundamental reason behind the thought of needing to create the first automobile.
It is no different for human beings
The first of the two reasons, is repeated again, elsewhere, later or further on, in Genesis, after its first mention, in the first chapter of Genesis

budaatum:
So, how is this government responsible for the atrocities of the Fulanis?

"Nigeria we hail thee.
Now, why cant he NAME those that defrauded him?
OBJ went for 3rd term bid, who helped him and wanted him to go for third term?
Abdulsalam was advised not to hand over, who advised him not to hand over?
IBB said if he'd declared MKO winner of June 12, "they" will kill him etc? who are the "they",
GEJ said he was advised and he underrated BH thinking it was those against his Govt, who advised him? ....

So many unknowns and these same people are in every Govt.
Until we start revealing these names and shame the selfish and corrupt folks in our Govt, we will go no-where."
- Organs © 2018

I laugh at the emboldened in Fulani

budaatum:
Are you aware that those who suffer most from these atrocities are the Hausas in the North?
Have you wondered why they have not come down to the South of Nigeria to blow people up?

They would have bitten more than they can chew, if they do
because pesin wey wan burn, go jam pesin wey ready to barbecue am bin dat
You know that everybodi fẹ ya, except for the Fulani, in whose interest Naija has to be together and whole

I am pleased to see someone else, has seen through the Fulani

Naija's Hausa+Fulani population is 29M, about just under 4M, out of that, are Fulani
Orisa37, do you know that SLS is Fulani

budaatum:
buda doesn't mind actually, though buda does wonder whom you think buda is, or more importantly, whom you think you are to assume to tell buda what to do. Are you going to remove buda's posting rights, or throw buda in hell perhaps?

What buda minds is buda conversing with people who resort to insults.
They show they haven't got much of intelligence, and buda insults buda by responding to such people.

Put some humour in your life fam. It's good for the skin
Orisa37 was only teasing you nau

budaatum:
Whatever one says God is is what God is?
Gods made up by the individual?

Is that why there's as many Gods as humans have bothered to create?

No ooooo bud. Facepalm.
God is not made up by the individual bud.
Also there arent many Gods, as there is only one God

There are many gods, and this fact and truth, God unashamedly admits and/or acknowledges

We know that God created humans in His image and likeness
and going on about your "Is that why there's as many Gods as humans have bothered to create" remark

Well, isnt it ironic, that ever since God took the bull by the horn, to create human beings in His image and likeness,
human beings too have had the courage to want to return the favour!

So, yes, there are as many gods as humans have bothered to create and/or invent
and it stems from not understanding that famous expressive phrase

orisa37:
Yes. You're right.
God allowed Nigerians to choose Buhari to teach us the Leason we are now learning.
And if we don't learn well, The Fulanis are anxiously waiting to enslave the likes of Daniels, Shadracks, Mechaks and Abednegoes of Nigeria.
The ways of God is not that of Man. The same God that sent Moses to Pharaoh hardened the Heart of Pharaoh against Moses.
And He is deafening Buhari and his 46 Hench-Senators and Cabals against Restructuring.
Schizophrenia is The Mark of every Dictator.
Only God can change him to Restructure. And with Prayers, nothing is imposible.
So Oga Atheist please shut up.

budaatum:
The lessons you need to learn are,
in times of plenty (crude oil at $150 a barrel), you should save up because famine might follow.
The second is manners, and the dishardening of your own heart.

Please don't leave that last one to God to restructure you.
With a little effort on your own part, your manners can improve. It is not impossible.

orisa37:
I am of The Brand of Jesus Christ to act, interact and move in Faith, Hope, Peace and Love in others like Him.
What other manners are you talking about?

budaatum:
I hope you've began manner lessons.
I find it difficult to converse with foul mouthed people.
They come across as "uncivilised and illiterate" to me.

So, how is this government responsible for the atrocities of the Fulanis?
Are you aware that those who suffer most from these atrocities are the Hausas in the North?
Have you wondered why they have not come down to the South of Nigeria to blow people up?

Budaatum doesnt like to be told to zip up his cake hole

9inches:
[s]I think you are misjudging by attacking a straw man.[/s]
No knowledgeable Catholic would argue against this - we are saints.
[s]Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said,
“There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church,
but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”[/s]
Aren't we all saints?
h t t ps://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/arent-we-all-saints

I hear you brother

Freshbreathneed:
Yeah, I think I suffer from that post nasal drip of a thing.

Brother, get your phone camera to snap a picture capturing your your row of teeth at same time showing your gums.
Do this with mouth close but baring your teeth, showing the teeth from the front
and with open mouth, showing the back teeth looking into the mouth.
You'd be surprised to know that diagnosis have been correctly made of out spotting something on someone from mere watching them on TV
Diagnosis have also been correctly done from looking at just pictures

We can delve into the post nasal drip of a thing later,
and not before seeing the pictures, as it might be a red herring

Post the pictures werewere kiamosa as soon as you possibly can

PS: Forgot to ask, do your teeth bled when brushed or when mouth is cleaned?

Stalwart61:
So how does this relates with the matter on ground?

You should have been diligent enough to notice that my first and second post on this thread was in response to beatcoins' comment
and not to how whatnot relates with any matter on any ground

Freshbreathneed:
Hello Nairalanders.

I am a bit of a regular here... but had to create an alt account for anonymity sake.

Like the title of my thread says, i've been suffering from this situation for years now and it's totally reducing my social life to shambles. ANd you may want to ask what I have done about this. I have done alot. I have been to quite a number of dentists. Some say it's a case of scaling and polishing, a procedure I allow them to carry on with, to no avail.

I have tried various mouth washes, various mixtures, various gums and I am getting fed up. I am having difficulties relating well with people outside because I want to always close my mouth. People are beginning to tag me a snub and proud person.

Please, that's why I have turned to you my e-pals. Do you know any powerful solution that has worked for someone you knew with chronic bad breath before? Are you a dentist on this forum and have an idea of how I can get rid of this social killer for good?
Please your contributions will be very much appreciated.

Post a picture showing your row of teeth, but without your face showing, if you do mind anyone seeing your face.
Seeing the picture could reveal or give an indication of the cause

Sometimes it could be down to internal issues

It can be down to gingivitis or gum disease
and also could be down to a buildup of bacteria in your mouth or tongue.
This could cause inflammation apart from giving off smelly odors or gases that smell like sulfur.
Another thing that could cause it, is post nasal drip. You dont suffer from this, do you?

Stalwart61:
Don't understand you

"At that time the son born according to the flesh, persecuted the son born, by the power of the Spirit.
It is the same now."
- Galatians 4:29

If Galatians 4:29 above doesnt help, then maybe you werent fated to understand me

budaatum:
Guess he could be the girl with the extra short skirt I see outside my window.

I havent the full details, so possibly could be.
Dang, fast learner, who would have thought.
You're learning pretty fast
Beginner's luck?

budaatum:
I wonder if the daughter she's playing with is the Holy Spirit.

Now you're getting ahead of yourself with a daft wisecrack like this

budaatum:
Pity. I know you're much wiser than you're showing lately

Now, you want to shift the blame on me for your being slow on the uptake lately

budaatum:
Oh, hold on. Here comes her father. I wondered r if that's God himself.

Comedy isnt your calling
You're trying too hard to be funny and you're remotely too far away not.

beatcoins:
No! There is no same God between these religions.
Why do you think Abraham threw Haggai & Son out of his house?
(It is because of the bile of bitterness Haggai was sowing in the life of Ishmael).

Abraham checked it out and said Kai...
This is pure unadulterated wukkednez!!!

Light and darkness cannot share the sky. YHWH is the only true God.

⁹But Sarah saw that the son whom Hagar the Egyptian had borne to Abraham was mocking her son,
¹⁰and she said to Abraham,
“Expel the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with my son Isaac!”
- Genesis 21:9-10

Your head is correct and right there,
You do know that mocking, in that context, is an euphemism for caressing

budaatum:
Sincerely, you say.
Guess that would be your excuse when I don't see him before midnight.

You show me anyone who has "seen Jesus.

You can see Jesus today before midnight.
Look out your window right now,
or go outside your house, this moment, you'll see Jesus

orisa37:
I see Christ whenever I value, not want, to see Him.
I see Him not only in Trinity but sometimes in Thirtinity.
He is a good God. We are watching Him handle this Buhari Autocracy Powerfully. God will disgrace Satan soon.

I like the emboldened very much
considering God is X-nity or ∞-nity
and that's why He told Moses, say: I AM that I AM, or I SHALL BE THAT I SHALL BE, sent you,
literally meaning I AM fill in the blanks sent you.

delishpot:

We wouldnt have had this misunderstanding
if the church had stuck to the correct definition of the words "sodomites"; "Malakos" and "Arsenokoites"
and be faithful to the original use and/or meanings of the words, as was done in the OT and NT original texts plus early christian writings

I've heard that laughing can be contagious. I think it's true bwahahaha ha

delishpot:
I have said my piece and that is all that matters to me.

1/ What was the sin(s) specifically that the city of Sodom and Gomorrah were guilty of
2/ What does, sodomites, in the bible OT and NT original text mean and/or refers to?

Those two questions were too hot for you to handle
I know you have to protect that delicate skin of yours from the heat
Good idea, staying out of the kitchen, a sense of self-preservation cautioned you not to stick around

delishpot:
You sneaky liar!

"You sure have a demon in you. No contesting it. A demon is in you." - check
"The devil's agents ..." - check
"Mr eyes wide shut" - check
"You sneaky liar!" - check
I wonder what next I should expect to read

delishpot:
At first you started by making people believe you just think the church should be open to saints and sinners alike.

Correction, sister.
I know the church should be open to saints and sinners alike.
I know the church, should be open all
and open all without unjust or prejudicial treatment, based especially on the grounds of human sexual orientation

delishpot:
I knew that your reasoning was far beyond that.

All you've shown so far, is knowing halves of every matter, and getting them confused with the other halves.

delishpot:
I knew you were arguing that Sodomy was right and the church needs to embrace it as part of life.

I dont do arguing/arguments.
It's you who is continually bent on arguing. Exchanging your ignorance(s) on here

An example of one, out of your many ignorances, is not knowing that
sodomy, as per bible, is an offense against natural sexual orientation that is connected with idolatrous practices

delishpot:
Only the blind ones agreed with you because they did not know where you were coming from.
Now you have made it clear, you are fighting for sodomy to be accepted and not judged a sin.

It's you that's fighting tooth and nail.
You're make strenuous efforts, throwing everything you can lay your hands on, except for the kitchen sink yet, at me.
You arent used to lifting heavy stuff anyway, so I am not surprised the kitchen sink, is still where it is

I am so sorry to burst your sheltered in bubble,
adult consensual, faithful, committed, honest, lasting a lifetime, meaningful relationship between two people of the same sex
is accepted and isnt as far as God is concerned, seen as a sin

delishpot:
Far be it from me that I agree with you.
LOL, there is nothing hidden or meant to be explained in the bible on only one condition.

Except you changed your moniker by deed poll to budaatum, I would understand why you are jumping on to an invite not extended to you.
If you are Mrs budaatum, that would be understandable, but you arent
I've told you severally, that you arent yet worthy enough to share the info with
and that you can wallow in your ignorances

delishpot:
The Bible is meant to be pondered upon and its knowledge shared freely anytime a man has the opportunity to do so

Until you're ready, I reserve the right to ponder upon and share the knowledge with you.

delishpot:
I showed everyone my stance against your theory using the exact texts, chapters and verses as found in the holly bible.
Open to debate about them and receiving knowledge from those who can discuss more on them.

"Like as if I care more or less, if you engage, or not engage, again, in the thread.
You haven't the stamina to discuss.

Be careful, what you wish for sister.
You go wound ooo, as I will pound you left right and centre, top, bottom and under

You'll come out and fall apart, like a cheap suit, that has its loose thread yanked and pulled."
- Muttleylaff on thread's Page 2 ©

Do you remember the above inverted commas?
Let's give this, a try then sister.
Let's go there

1/ What was the sin(s) specifically that the city of Sodom and Gomorrah were guilty of
2/ What does, sodomites, in the bible OT and NT original text mean and/or refers to?

delishpot:
No seeing in camera, no NDA to sign.
You on the other hand, you are a merchant of souls.
What is so secret that the hearer needs to sign an NDA ( Contract or Initiation) before to learn the knowledge you want to provide?

First and foremost, correctively, I am a merchant of souls, your inclusive, for the Most High God, the I AM that I AM, Lord of Hosts.

Back to in-camera etcetera, you werent invited in for the in-camera+its condition,
and not, for a very good reason, which you keep confirming the reason why not, is true

I suppose, you know what the details of the condition(s) to budaatum was going to be. Right?

delishpot:
Only occults work that way.

Is this from a first hand experience or hearsay

delishpot:
Many so called churches burying heads and hands at the alters also know how to quote and twist the bible.

You're so desperate and look so pathetic settling to scooping up dregs of the barrel and making no sense or point with it

delishpot:
You ain't fooling no one no more.
Stop quoting me without answers.

The harder you look, the less you see anyway

delishpot:
I overcome you by the blood of the lamb Jesus Christ.

I bet you're the sort that's scared of their shadow
Quit being a scaredy-cat, I won't and don't bite!

orisa37:
Lord help us.

budaatum:
Even I, an atheist, have no choice but to say, Amen!

"I first thought Muttley posted it, but he doesn't write so clearly
so I searched and found its source. Next time do include links please.
People get vilified on here for plagiarism"
- budaatum ©

"Just so it's said, your above in italics ("was willing but persuaded''), is an example of your unclearlessness."
- budaatum ©

Following the herd are we now,
plus who is caught not writing so clearly now?
You should have made it so clear, which of the Lords you're soliciting help from

orisa37:
You are not an atheist if you can say Amen.

Aint that incredible

Ramos16:
Leave that guy to be spewing rubbish from his mouth,
I am pretty sure he did not check the dictionary meaning before opening his filthy mouth,
all these people always trying to look for religious difference to attacks others on,
let him not face his own salvation. Rubbish

kayuseful:
Thats exactly the problem.
You dashed for an english dictionary to understand the bible!
A dictionary is meant to tell you the meaning of a word as used in the contemporary world

Ramos16:
Hahaha, what are you talking about right now,
how did you gain understanding of the bible, is Saint greek, aramaic, latin or English,
should I dash to the bible to understand the meaning of "come and go"?

First you dash to a good bible concordance to find the meaning of the original greek or aramaic word used there in the bible
and thereafter, gain the proper understanding of word, in doubt of its real meaning