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Maximus69:
I don't have his time jare!

Let him mention the name of his church and their stand on the topic of discuss (TRINITY) then we can start talking.

Whether JWs or GKS, the fact still boils down to the same place.

None of their TRINITY Churches was qualified to pray for Nigeria during Independence. PERIOD!

The man, Gideon Urhobo was ex RCC. He formed GKS as early as in 1933 after a visitation in a dream, seeing Jesus telling him, to go preach the gospel of the Kingdom and also to expose false teachings about God. So he briefly was a JW, for less than a year, because in 1934, he severed ties of his short romance with JW as soon as he probably could see numbers weren't adding up with them, lmao

Gideon Urhobo never lasted a year in JW. The man couldn't wait to leave and cut ties with JW.

Maximus69 doesnt know jackshit about JW, he is just forming as if he does. See how TATIME had to rein him in, but Maximus69 still no wan gree, he is doing yanga, licking his wound and bruise in a corner somewhere, lmao

Maximus69:
If he was dead in 1952, does that change the fact that the group stem from JWs?

My friend, go and eat your food so that you can sleep well.
I'm not interested in arguing BLINDLY with you, the fact still remains that it was JWs that was found worthy to pray as the group to represent Nigeria during Independence NOT any of your TRINITY Churches Sir!

You are shameless old man, "agbantari" for nothing, meaning elderly for nothing

The man was ex RCC. He formed GKS as early as in 1933 after a visitation in a dream, to go preach the gospel of the Kingdom and also to expose false teachings about God. So he briefly was a JW, for less than a year, because in 1934, he severed ties of his short romance with JW as soon as he probably could see numbers weren't adding up with them, lmao.

TATIME:
This really calls for a celebration!

Maximus69 erred and it was discovered.
But wait o, did history traced GKS to JW origin or not?

Because what we're trying to find out now is in two parts, is it true that JWs were called to pray during Independence in 1960?

The other one is was it Urhobo that represented the Organization? Of course this has been settled, he wasn't because he did before Nigeria's Independence!

Staff Sergeant Major to the rescue but corporal Maximus69 wouldn't own up that he erred. Pride, embarrassment, ego and flesh wouldn't allow him

He was making one lie after the other lie, tying himself up in knots of lies. Smh.

Maximus69:
My friend the question still remains.

Of all the religious groups here in Nigeria the one agreed upon to pray was the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization for Nigerian but back then people don't know that GKS differ from JWs because the founder was a former member of JW and all his teachings were just like JWs except on some doctrines that could be cleared by JWs alone.

So in 1960 they called JWs but GKS had exactly the same teachings like JWs Sir.
None of the churches you're claiming are Christians today was remembered for any notable works of faith but JWs!

Look hia, my friend, stop dodging owning up to your mistakes. You lied, admit you lied and misled people about Obafemi Awolowo (i.e. Action Group) and Nnamdi Azikiwe (i.e. The National Council of Nigeria and the Cameroons (NCNC)) saying they can only allow JWs to pray for Nigeria, on behalf of Christianity. Your claim is false.

You even lied about the existence of Gideon Urhobo, the founder of GKS, in 1960, eight years well after the man had long died in 1952.

The reason why Gideon Urhobo, didnt support Nnamdi Azikiwe (i.e. The National Council of Nigeria and the Cameroons (NCNC)) was because NCNC believed Jehovah was only a Jewish God and not God of Africa.

Maximus69:
That's a lie Sir!

You better retract that sharp sharp because the only person lying like a cheap flea market Persia praying mat is you sir.

Maximus69:
Back then in 1960 the man was a member of Jehovah's Witnesses Organization ...

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The man was dead by 1952.

You better start composing your apologies, and ready to eat the humble pie of admitting you got the facts on so many levels wrong, lmao. I always wondered what sort of intelligence officer were you in your active days.

Maximus69:
so it was after then that arrogance led him out of Jehovah's Witnesses Organization, then he formed his own Church and established almost 90% of our teachings.
But before then he was still one of Jehovah's Witnesses Sir!

Lukatew, God's Kingdom Society was formed in 1934 in the area south of Benin City. I knew you didn't have your facts right, lmao. You are just like the rest of the poor history students/teachers on Nairaland. Smh.

Maximus69:
If you don't know what to do, my friend go and eat your food so that you can sleep well!

First verify if it's true or not then you can come back to argue how politicians agreed over the church that will pray for their country!

I know what I know but you don't know what you think you know, my dear friend. You are mixing up God's Kingdom Society, formed by Gideon Urhobo, a Benin man, with Jehovah Witnesseses, lmao

Besides, you even have the facts of the Jehovah controversy issue thing between Action Group and The National Council of Nigeria and the Cameroons botched up.

Myer:
I actually think you and Max should stop embarrassing your organisation.
The gift of tongues on the day on pentecost was not even to the Jews but to people from all over the world.

Acts 2:9-11
Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

It was to the Jews. It was to the lost tribes. It was to the Jews who made the yearly pilgrimage to Jerusalem for the Passover festival. The only tribe left in the Southern kingdom were the tribe of Judah, the tribe of Benjamin and the tribe of Levi. The other tribes during the first exile with the Assyrians and second exile with the Babylonian had made them be flung all over the Mediterranean Sea region. The ones that returned to Jerusalem after Cyrus permitted are those who formed sects that made up the Pharisees, Sadducees and Essenes. King Herod, isn't even a proper Israelite, made king, but was a Roman stooge.

Maximus69:
True Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) only believe in the code of conduct set by the first century Christians! Act 15:28-29

That's why we totally differ from all of them. You often argue in support of the spirit talking or dealing with people individually, and when i told you that's a lie you start insulting us saying JWs has been brainwashed.
Is it not the same reason we stick to what the book says rather than listening to deceptive spirit?

Obafemi Awolowo and Nnamdi Azikiwe were the most respected in the southern part of Nigeria during their lifetime, during Nigerias independent both of them said they can only allow JWs to pray for Nigeria in behalf of Christianity!

Go and ask anybody, tell them a JW said so on Nairaland!

Of course the North came to pray in behalf of Muslims but for the Christians they have to write a letter to our branch to come and pray during Nigeria's independent. This was against our rules so the branch wrote a letter to Brooklyn our headquarters in New York, that's when the organization said our brothers should pray since that's what they demanded and that's a sign that they know the truth but afterwards our brothers should not partake in whatever follows!

Go now and ask anybody if it's a lie!

So know today that when it comes to uprightness, JWs come first! Matthew 5:13-16

Big fat lie Maximus69. Fear Jehovah nah

When and where did Obafemi Awolowo (i.e. Action Group) and Nnamdi Azikiwe (i.e. The National Council of Nigeria and the Cameroons (NCNC)) say they can only allow JWs to pray for Nigeria, on behalf of Christianity?

In the absence of able to back this misleading info up, you better retract this revisionism of history and stop spreading misinformation

Joagbaje:
We had all the lectures and watched all the documentaries in their museum

I can understand Muslims going on pilgrimage to Mecca, as they are expected to undertake it, at least once in their lives if they can afford it and are physically able to. Even the Quran stresses the importance of witnessing the traditions of Hajj with one's own eyes (i.e. Surah Al-Haj 22:28 - Al-Qur'an) but believers going to Jerusalem is unbiblical and has no justification for going to a place that the Palestine occupants have been displaced and daily being terrorised and oppressed

DappaD:
The book of Enoch is an uninspired, fallible, apocryphal book full of fanciful tales.

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DappaD:
It is likely that the inspired letter of Jude used the same source that the uninspired book of Enoch used.
Or that Jude received all those information directly from Jesus himself, since he was a half brother to Jesus.

Sometimes I quote from Shakespeare or make reference to Shakespeare's Macbeth, which, as we all know, bears little resemblance to the real 11th century, Mac Bethad mac Findláich, known in English as Macbeth, Scottish king, and when I do, it doesn't mean by quoting them makes them gospel truth. The Apostles Peter and Jude, were talking and/or warning against false teachers, heresies and slander, so in their admonition(s), they used excerpts from the BoE to make pints with, now those familiar or who had read the BoE in that audience would have immediately recognised those BoE excerpts and know its them the Apostles was rebuking and expressing disapproval off

I have the three different versions of the BoE, I have read all the three, and I must say, they are outrageously ridiculous and laughable books to read. IMHO, and if asked, I'll say that, the BoE, in the absence of readily available proper toilet tissue, are well suited and can best be used for wiping bums with.

DappaD:

In the days of Noah as well, the warning wouldn't have been sounded just once. Seth's descendant, Enoch prophesied as regards to the wickedness of men in his time and may have sounded a warning to them. (Jude 14-15). Many may have thought that it was a onetime warning but no, even after Jehovah commissioned Noah to build the Ark, Noah likewise may have sounded warnings too to the wicked people to repent of their bad ways. 2Peter 2:5 called Noah “a preacher of righteousness”. So likely in all the years he spent building the Ark, he may have been preaching to the bad people so they could change.

Matthew 24:37-39
“For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be.  For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,  and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.”
So yeah you can keep doubting and ignoring what the Bible actually says concerning the end but that's to your own detriment and no one else's.

My guy forget that one about "... Enoch prophesied as regards to the wickedness of men in his time and may have sounded a warning to them. (Jude 14-15) ..."

That Book of Enoch (i.e. BoE) and the rest of the other apocrypha and pseudepigrapha books are fictional best seller books written after Jesus' death between the first to fifth centuries

Myer:
My response was as to the destruction of earth.

God already promised not to destroy earth. The coming of Jesus is another discussion.

What bible reference(s) are hinging on the destruction of earth to ?

DappaD:
God never destroyed the earth at anytime
Omoh, at least try open Bible first na
The “earth” symbolizes the creation in it, man or animal

I wonder in the Bible, where, it explicitly states that God destroyed the earth at anytime. Don't mind Myer ojaare, this is how people just like trying to take "panadull" when there even is no headache

donnie:
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You're a comedian.

You can keep hiding, at corner walls, for as long as you like.
When your egungun hit rock bottom, then the only way for you to move, will be up, yep upwards to YAH, and we'll be waiting to welcome you back with embracing loveable arms and bear hugs.

OLAADEGBU:
If I truly believed that I was delivered from the power of darkness but now translated into the Kingdom of the Son of God why wouldn't I want to talk about it? Unless I am still operating under the same power of darkness on another level and we know that a house divided against itself cannot stand. Light has no fellowship with darkness it must be exposed and expelled.

We have only one Pastor, so asking whether or not Baba was a paistor at CE or not is inconsequential, especially since he's severed ties with CE. You are bent on him talking about his past that he has divorced himself from and has nothing anymore to do with.

CE and any position(s), he had while in CE, he doesn't want to be made to talk about or relive. It isn't something he's proud of.

Myer:
Kindly share one, I'm sure we will.

MuttleyLaff:
I didnt actually miss the joke, what I've done is go ahead of you.

Its true we both are speaking the truth, however the disagreement is because I am aware you believe there are existing from the original texts inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible, when there is nothing of the sort in the original text(s)

MuttleyLaff:
... I have already said that the Bible is a prophetic and fulfilling book, unlike the other book of Goob, which isnt. Another thing about the Bible, is that it hasnt got any seemingly inconsistencies and alleged contradictions that arent each and all explainable and easily understood, because if you know, you know, and who no know, no go know, and be thinking there are inconsistencies and contradictions when there arent. The book of Goob, is just as its name the word goob is, it is a book full of stupidity, silliness and daftness. Nothing prophetic about it, nothing revelatory about it. It's just an outright shameless sham fantasy book full of gobbledygook.

Now give me your best shot out of all your, the seemingly inconsistencies and alleged contradictions in the Bible, if it wont be explained to you. C'mon, bring it on.

Myer:
Did the bible not ask you to test all things to know what is true? 1 Thessalonians 5:21

If you really believe there are no contradictions and inconsistencies you won't be this insecure.

How did you manage to compute "... you won't be this insecure"?
You need to go look up the meaning of "insecure". Better still, advise me of your birth day, so I can give you a dictionary for birthday gift

OLAADEGBU:
I wanted to ascertain whether it is you
or that donnie has been hacked into because the donnie speaking now is miles worse than the donnie I assumed I knew.

Take it to the bank, its "the donnie I assumed I knew", verified.

It going to be like this until it gets to worst, when there'll be no further room to further nosedive down in to, so what next that will happen after hitting rock bottom, is to change direction, and begin rise to the heavens, to YAH and no more to the pit of hell. Amen. Praise YAH. Alleluia. We don't cease in doing prayers for Baba.

OLAADEGBU:
He has refused to talk about it.

Do you talk about everything asked off you? What difference is it going to make if Baba talks about been an ex CE paistor or not nah. Who that info go epp?

Joagbaje:
I remember my trip to to Israel. On Fridays we had to gree SHABBATH SHALOM

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You just went to boost the economy of that place with your hard earned, sweat of your brow, graft and grind money

You had Ashkenazi Jews, descendants of Japheth, faking to be true born real McCoy Israelites, show you around abi? Smh, I'll tell you, that trip you had to Israel, is nothing less than a charade.

When on the trip did you, give thought and/or empathise with the Palestine, oppressed and terrorised for their land that was stolen from them to make this modern day Israel, hmm? Bear in mind that Jerusalem earlier, was burned down to the ground and/or destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD, hmm?

hoopernikao:
Chairman again?

Erhn now, aspe hin be glutton for punishment and/or one not to miss an opportunity of correcting education, lmao

donnie:
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Look at this miserable guy. One of my weakest adversaries on NL.
Even Muttleylaff responded to him. That one dey support anything aimed at me, even stone.
What do you want to do with the information, hmm? Did you not read about the privacy rules on this forum?
Do you want to take my news to newspapers? Or you want to form a stupid theory?
Abi is that the explanation for all the lies you have been posting here on NL in the name of preaching?

Weak arguments... you've always had a weak gospel... now you're looking for a cheap way out of your misery.

Baba when you yarn correct, I dey your back gidigba, bin dey support you and even sef like your posts too, but at the same anytime, you misyarn, baba, you know nah, I no dey push face, I'll tell it, as it is, without mincing words, lmao.

I give credit when credit is due and withdraw it sharp sharp, when not deserved. Life na jeje, hin no hard, na we pipul bin dey make easy life, look hard, come put small ting for head, like shrimp

Myer:
Kindly share one, I'm sure we will.

MuttleyLaff:
I didnt actually miss the joke, what I've done is go ahead of you.

Its true we both are speaking the truth, however the disagreement is because I am aware you believe there are existing from the original texts inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible, when there is nothing of the sort in the original text(s)

MuttleyLaff:
... I have already said that the Bible is a prophetic and fulfilling book, unlike the other book of Goob, which isnt. Another thing about the Bible, is that it hasnt got any seemingly inconsistencies and alleged contradictions that arent each and all explainable and easily understood, because if you know, you know, and who no know, no go know, and be thinking there are inconsistencies and contradictions when there arent. The book of Goob, is just as its name the word goob is, it is a book full of stupidity, silliness and daftness. Nothing prophetic about it, nothing revelatory about it. It's just an outright shameless sham fantasy book full of gobbledygook.

Now give me your best shot out of all your, the seemingly inconsistencies and alleged contradictions in the Bible, if it wont be explained to you. C'mon, bring it on.

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I don't understand you
"Kindly share one, I'm sure we will" what?

Myer:
The bible like other religious sacred books is considered God's word and infallible.
It has become needful to address the inconsistencies and contraditions in the bible.

Share a verse from the bible and I will show you another verse that contradicts it.

Cc Hoopernikao
DappaD
GRIMMJOE
Muttleylaff

You'll find seemingly false positive inconsistencies and contradictions in translations, but not an/or never in either of the original texts

OLAADEGBU:
Was donnie a pastor in your church or just a "young convert" before he took the plunge?

Baba nobi just paistor oo only, Baba na big fish juggernaut, big man financier too ooo. He, before his stint with CE, was a well weathered ex RCC. Baba nobi "young convert" in anything, its just that whatever and/or wherever he puts head into, it just has to be at and/or to the fanatical extreme ends of things. thats all.

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Straitjacket loading for that Tyson DEMONstration laff

Joagbaje:
But I have been with all the while as Petra1.
For donnie. I believe he's going through metamophorses . He will come out of it. Satan desire is to make us all lose our faith.

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It's what's called mid life crisis.
Its a phase. Sure is one of them things called mid life crisis as I've said. Baba, will in time, get over it, lmao.

donnie:
Who I dey fear before? And yes my clients and business partners are aware.
No wonder, you Christians are all about convenience, you do not know what it is to stand for truth in the midst of a crooked generation.

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Who be "... you Christian ..." Baba
You don sip akpeteshie abi?

Monday (i.e. the moon's day, day devoted to worshipping the goddess of the moon) Tuesday (i.e. god of war Tiu, also known as Tyr) Wednesday (i.e. Woden's Day, the day when the god, Woden or Odin was worshiped), Thursday, (i.e. god named Thor day, the god of thunder) Friday, (i.e. goddess named Freya/Frigg/Frige, day, the wife of Odin) Saturday (i.e. god named Saturn day) and Sunday (i.e. god Sun, day), do you have other names for the pagan days of the week, Baba? Do you do pagan week days Baba, lmao?

I asked you that is that what you tell people when asked on the street about the names of the days of the week? Don't you call them by their pagan names to your clients and/or business partners et cetera? For example, Monday Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday, hmm? I careless whether or not, who you dey fear before

donnie:
Sub-saharan Africa was a forest region with many uninhabited places before Bantus migrated down here. They are not indigenous to the region. They overran indigenous popoulations they encountered as they migrated down eg. Pygmies. Also, many Bantus were persecuted, enslaved and killed by North Africans, Arabs (Muslims), Fulani etc. forcing them to migrate further south.

Don't be an ignoramus.

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Ignoramus ko, hippopotamus ni
Baba, please just answer the question jor, about the location of garden of Eden, Mesopotamia, Bethlehem and also show them highlighted on the map of Sub-Saharan Africa.

donnie:
[/size]Nnamdi Kanu no doubt is a very intelligent man and his influence in Igboland is unquestionable. I also admire his courage and Vision and understanding of his people.

However, as it has to do with the plan of YAHUAH for his people at this time, I cannot say that I agree with the IPOB/ Biafra agneda or modus operandi. I understand their agitations and I believe that they have been well laid out and voiced.

But an underatanding of the scriptures, our country Nigeria and the world as it is today will bring you to the conclusion that a number of things are not right.

1. Before YAHUAH brings deliverance, he calls his people ISRAEL to repentance.
Repentance from following false Babylonian religions like Christianity, Islam and Judaism. YAHUAH gave his people no religion, HE GAVE THEM LAWS.

2. Repentance and obedience to the Commandments, forsaking all idols. White Jesus, Mary, statues, etc have taken the place of YAHUAH and his true son, YAHUSHA, the black MESSIAH.
Shun stealing, killing, kidnapping, and all forms of lawlessness and return to YAHUAH.
Igbo Businessmen should be known for hosnesty and truth, not deceit or fake and counterfeit products and services. REPENT and watch the hand of YAH move in deliverance and in judgements.

3. Love and respect for other Isrealite besides Igbo. I find that even in Igboland, there are ethnic groups that are disregarded and treated as slaves. I even learned that these "Osu" were those who served the priests of the temples in ancient times. How wouldn't YAH punish such discrimination.

Then we have others like Yorubas, Ibibio, Tivs, Efiks etc. which Igbos have over the years taken for granted, or regarded as less than themselves favouring only their own.

Igbos must learn to seperate politics from TRUTH. Others don't have to like or support your agitations or political aspirations to be your brothers. It's the reason your neighbours look and handle you with care and suspicion. Even if you have your own country, you will still have these problems among yourselves
4. Allies with Ashkenazi (fake/white) Jews? You cannot be allies with ESAU and claim to be pursuing a god-given agenda. Cant you see they rejected your quest to be joined to their state of Israel. They know your DNA is the same as the rest of the Israelites in sub-saharan Africa.

They fear that, accepting you will mean loosing their estate. Of course they could have lied about the results if they saw some natural resource they could control in your land. Is that the reason you're eager to have all of Niger Delta join you? And if you had the full backing of ISRAEL to break away, you might easily get out, because the US will likely join in support. Break those ties and love your own brothers!
5. Understanding the times. Understanding what time it is in YAH's kingdom is important because these are the times of his judgements. What ISRAEL must do now is REPENT and trust no more in the ARM OF FLESH because YAH has begun to pour out his judgements upon the nations. And he is no respecter of persons. ISRAEL are the salt of the earth and we would either keep our saltiness by returning to the covenant or be castaway.

THE HAND OF YAH IS NOT TOO SHORT THAT HE CANNOT SAVE AND DELIVER...

REPENT AND YAH WILL VISIT YOUR ENEMIES WITH VENGEANCE.

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lmao at the emboldened & rest
Mazi's just as confused dot com as you're Baba
A&E's garden of Eden is in Sub-Saharan Africa abi?
Mesopotamia too, is in Sub-Saharan Africa too abi?
Bethlehem sef is in Sub-Saharan Africa abi?

donnie:
If I wanted to drive from Lagos to PH for example but later decided for an easier, faster and more comfortable option of flying down to PH; It will be a failed mission if my flight landed me in Togo instead of PH.

So, regardless of whether there was the "law of lift" in operation, for it to be the Sprit of YAH, it must lead according to TRUTH - the TORAH.

Psalms 119:142
Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

John 16:13
"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: ..."

Whatever is worth doing at all, is worth doing well, so goes the saying

We all know that flying is faster, less hassle/stressful, time saving et cetera than driving, so if the TORAH, in this case, is the destination, PH, then why did you bother taking a plane that will take you on a failed mission flight thats going to land you in Togo instead of PH, hmm?. It means, you are either a learner, inexperienced, haven't a clue of what you should have properly & correctly done, have challenges with doing itineraries or travelling plans, and that's why that, regardless of the "law of lift" in operation, for it to lead you according to TRUTH - the TORAH, the destination, PH, it took you to Togo, instead.

donnie:
I'm done with Christianity...

MuttleyLaff:
If only more christians properly read their bibles there'd be less christians, and its true that remark

donnie:
... I prefer to follow TRUTH.

Baba, you give too much rein to your ignorance. There are different types of truth and/or kinds of TRUTH. You'll soon discover that the so-called TRUTH(s) you've made yourself to believe, is not truth(s) at all, lmao.

donnie:
Today is the day before SHABBAT, the preparation day. Shabbat begins Sundown today, till Sundown tommorow.

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Who're you fooling?
Is that what you tell people when asked on the street abi? Is that what you tell your clients and/or business partners et cetera?

donnie:
We should provoke one another to righteousness, not to lawlessness. Rather than see how difficult it is, see opportunity for the Spirit to express His power. The laws of YAH are not grevious; problem is, Christians are already preoccupied with following worldly customs, traditions and laws, which they keep diligently without complain. How many forget to mark birthdays, Valentine, Christmas, Sunday rest etc.?

That's why YAHUAH calls saying "come out from among them and be ye seperate."

SHABBAT SHALOM.

Have you seen anyone preach, encourage or incite lawlessness, huh?. Baba the reason why turkeys are grounded, and flightless and eagles, are in the air, soaring and flying, is because a different grace and mindset.

Jesus, didnt come to preach, proclaim or teach christianity. The word, Christianity, is not in scripture. Ekklesia, is part of all that Yahusha came on earth to fulfil.

One of the major philosophical teaching of Jesus, in His capacity as man and divinity, is about one body, ekklesia, called out. The ruling civilization of that time period were the Greeks and normally "ekklesia" is the assembly of free citizens, to which belonged judicial and legislative power, and from which aliens, slaves and the likes were excluded, but here is Jesus, turning this whole political concept on its head, lol, and now talking about having a gathering of citizens (i.e. any member of the demos/ all people) no discrimination, no prejudices, no sexism etcetera called out from their homes into public space and to partake, deliberate, legislate and be fully inclusive in the sovereign governing body's services, expectations and/or requirement. Praise God. Alleluia.

The point, I am making Baba, is God is Christianity atheistic, Christian atheistic and even Christian denomination(s) atheistic. Yahusha, believes in plain and simple "ekklesia," His body, lol. Believes in nothing else than His Bride.
MMM
"⁴²So Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers in this world lord it over their people, and officials flaunt their authority over those under them (i.e. their high officials exercise authority over them.)
⁴³But among you it will be different Whoever wants to be a leader among you must be your servant,"
- Mark 10:42-43

Yes Baba, the ekklesia of Christ, is government of DEMOCRACY, and according to Jesus, in Mark 10:42-43 above when talking to the discples, it is a special and/or different kind of government of DEMOCRACY.

Democracy, fyi, has biblical roots that you're unaware of, lol. Life, in the beginning, started on a democratic footing, lol. Also, I am sure you've heard it said that, democracy is a government of all the people, by all the people, for all the people, abi?

"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, a small rock and upon the large rock I will build my congregation {Gr. ekklesia – called out ones},
and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against her."
- Matthew 16:18

I am sure you didnt know that Yahushua aka Jesus was interested in democracy that much that He adopted the phraseology ekklesia, taken from the first known democracy in the world, lol, the Athenian democracy (i.e. Greek)

Ekklesia, meaning, as I previously said, is a gathering of those called out and/or summoned ones, is the principal assembly, open to all male citizens as soon as they qualified for citizenship of ancient Athens. Ekklesia is an Athenian democracy feature that allowed all Athenian citizens to come together, regardless of class and so even the lowest social class of citizens to discuss civil matters and/or participate in democratic politics. Everyone was considered equal in the ekklesia and any citizen present could participate and share his ideas, opinions, and concerns." Incidentally, what Jesus in Mark 10:42-43 above, was teaching the disciples is what Theodore Parker captured perfectly well, with the quote, that: "Democracy means not, I am as good as you are, but you are as good as I am"

Jesus changed the original political meaning of ekklesia to a religious one. Praise God. Alleluia. We are talking here, of radical and liberal democracy, and that's where Galatians 3:26-28 took its cue from.

Baba, let me clear you up properly and more on ekklesia, lol, so you'll know what is really going on with it. Maybe, you'll become wiser enough to make re-adjustments, where and/or if applicable, to your theology with this.

To start with and as a matter of fact, "ekklesia" is the proper and correct noun word for used for believers, called out and/or gathered together, which the word "church", as it is, presently or currently represents.

"Ekklesia" actually, is a Greek word, which in Athens and in most Greek poleis (i.e. Greek cities or states) means an assembly of demo
(i.e. yes, demo, is the Greek word for people, as like the "demo" in democracy) So "ekklesia" effectively, is an assembly of summoned free people or a gathering of those summoned. The word "ekklesia", is derived from "ekkletos" meaning summoned and "ekkaleom" meaning to summon or call out. "Ekkletoi" refers to the called-out inhabitants or citizens of Athens or any of the Greek poleis, come together in a single place and/or single group, as a result of a call out request done by a herald, announcer or town crier.

"Ekklesia" an assembly, congregation, the whole body of believers, come together, as a result of a call out request done by our Lord Jesus Christ and not some church or something anyone starts, because as I previously typed, ekklesia is a family we belong to.

The true meaning, import or connotation of "ekklesia" is lost or eroded when it is used or translated to/as "church", as "ekklesia" represents something totally different to what we've commonly perceived what "church" is.

"Ekklesia," as far back in the Old Testament wilderness days, has always been an assembly or congregation of called-out people (i.e. Acts 7:38 is referring to the congregation in Deuteronomy 9:10) and it's no different in the original Greek New Testament whether used in non-secular and secular settings (i.e. Matthew 16:18 and Acts 7:38 for non-secular then Acts 19:32, 39 and 41 for secular) Notice in Acts 19:32, 39 and 41, that "ekklesia" is used three times, for people not connected with religious or believers matters, but are assembling or gathering together.

So the point is that "ekklesia" isn't about physical structures, buildings, cathedrals etcetera, and the Greeks, the originators of the word, never referred "ekklesia", to be church, building or place of worship.

I am sure nelsonoba, you'll return here to say, all this etymology stuff on "ekklesia", is bunkum and time wasting, it's nitpicking over minute details, and that it's pedantic and fault-finding or you, even might say, church or ekklesia, whatever the noun used, it doesn't matter. Well if you do nelsonoba, that will be you delighting in ignorance(s), with saying, church or ekklesia, it makes no difference, that it's much ado about nothing and so what's the big deal. Fyi, I could tell you more, like about the English word "church" on its self, and about its actual pagan origins, but this is will be overstepping the scope of the thread's title heading, lol.

donnie:
Are you kidding me? You and these your rhetoric questions

Baba , mind your head, no go copy Oprah throwe head for back do mistake ooo and lose your balance. You cant put any of those accusations to me sha anyway. You're smarter than that, that small part of you, I know, lmao

donnie:
After it finishes "defying" does it not come down?
Why didn't it stay up there? Christianity has lied to many, there is no "law of the spirit" that goes against the TORAH. In fact, the reason for the indwelling of Spirit is the keeping of the TORAH.

That makes me wonder what "spirit" Christians are receiving everywhere.

We will keep the law even in the kingdom so you might as well start now.

What a pity that Baba doesnt get it sha. Fyi, for as long as a superior, stronger, more powerful and better law is in operation, the law of gravity will remain tamed, remain impotent, remain rendered useless, remain rendered ineffective, remain inoperative, remain inactive, remain powerless et cetera.

You know all this baba, but you prefer to play the denial card in this your self-deception game. Smh.

donnie:
YAHUAH calls them first day, second day, forth day, seventh day (Shabbat) etc. Read your bible and don't fool yourself.

What do you call today? What day do you call tomorrow, lmao.

I put it to you Baba that what you criticize others of about keeping pagan holidays, you too are guilty of keeping pagan week/weekend day names

donnie:
I use them for historical reference, to the fact that up until the Renneisance period, MESSIAH being black was widely known throughout Europe and not a subject for debate. They shouldn't be objects of worship. Neither should any bow or worship images.

You took pride and pleasure in seeing them bowing down and worshipping the statue now, you have never being seen or read to condemn the act, rather you always post the black Madonna picture pridefully

donnie:
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You don't "irrationally" follow. YOU FOLLOW, because you have imbibed the laws and they've become a part of you. The laws are life to those that find them. You don't become lawless because you are grown up.

The law of YAHUAH is perfect, converting the soul; The testimony of YAHUAH is sure, making wise the simple -Psalm 19:7

Baba, the principle of Yah and/or laws of God abides forever. The law of Yah is never done away. Who did you read from here or that you ever have heard said that the laws of God are done away with, hmm?

Sebi, you fly regularly to Abuja, PH and Lagos nah, is the law of gravity really done away with hmm? Tell us nah, how and why does the law of gravity look or seem its being done away with while you are taken in the airplane flying in the air and the aircraft is not obeying the law of gravity but remains flying and cruising in the sky defying the law of gravity. Why is that nah?

donnie:
This is Christmas in the Bible

Jeremiah 10:3-5
[3]For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
[4]They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
[5]They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

Nimrod is the BABYLONIAN Sun-god. His birthday was celebrated 25th December.

Easter is the Babaylon goddess of fertility. Celebrated at the time when true worshippers celebrate the Feast of Passover.

Sunday sacredness = Sun worship

#TruthHurts

Let those who celebrate Christmas, Easter et cetera defend themselves, but I am asking you Baba, about the Monday (i.e. the moon's day, day devoted to worshipping the goddess of the moon) Tuesday (i.e. god of war Tiu, also known as Tyr) Wednesday (i.e. Woden's Day, the day when the god, Woden or Odin was worshiped), Thursday, (i.e. god named Thor day, the god of thunder) Friday, (i.e. goddess named Freya/Frigg/Frige, day, the wife of Odin) Saturday (i.e. god named Saturn day) and Sunday (i.e. god Sun, day), do you have other names for the pagan days of the week? Do you do or don't you do pagan week days, at all Baba, lmao, hmm?

Let me even rattle you a bit, do you really understand what the Black Madonna statue is that you take pride and pleasure in posting about because the popes Benedict and Francis are bowing down it