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donnie:
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I have defended this truth and destroyed false teachings thus far standing alone with YAH.

Apostle Paul, was a Pharisee. Apostle Paul was anIsrealite/Jew. Apostle Paul was a Roman citizen. Apostle Paul never advocated be a slave to the word. Apostle Paul never advocated follow law(s) blindly. Baba, I bet you had ground rules when growing up that, you now grown, as you are don't necessarily or irrationally follow

donnie:
Spirit this, spirit that... All forms of lawlessness being perpetrated in the name of Spirit. You think lawlessness is liberty. Actually that's what Christianity teaches.

Continue with your Christianity, bible didn't say everyone will receive this message. Only the elect will.

Baba, you make laugh, who does christianity? Of course, lawlessness isn't liberty. Who said it is liberty? Following laws blindly, as if without having gumption, and especially when come of age, is smh just sheer naivety and ignorance of who the person has become

OK, let's hear this:
1/ What is christianity then, what to your understand does it mean?
2/ Give an inexhaustible list of what this so-called christianity teaches please, so we can compare and contrast each with what a true believer does or follows

ugbashipeterele:
Unpreach on brother

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First post & purposely registered, lmao

donnie:
You expect a bible compiled by Europeans to show you the death sentence being passed on Shabbat breakers? Besides, the focus of the gospels was the person of YAHUSHA as MESSIAH and not the teaching of YAH's laws, even though he taught the law.

It is clear that Christianity is from Satan. Only the wicked can interprete scriptures the way you do.

Deuteronomy 4:5-6,9-10
[5]Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the LORD my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.
[6]Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.
[9]Only take heed to thyself, and keep thy soul diligently, lest thou forget the things which thine eyes have seen, and lest they depart from thy heart all the days of thy life: but teach them thy sons, and thy sons' sons;
[10]Specially the day that thou stoodest before the LORD thy God in Horeb, when the LORD said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, that they may learn to fear me all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children.

It's clear and every generation of the children of Israel that reads will see "teach to your son's and your sons' sons".

Have you considered those who entered the promised land? Remember Moses and those who were delivered from Egypt died and did not enter the promised land, except Joshua and Caleb. So are you saying that those of them that entered the promised land and were keeping the commandments were wasting their time? They kept the Shabbats and Feats days as commanded, and their children continued. they were all stupid and you are the wisest.

MESSIAH and his apostles that kept the Shabbat and feats days were also stupid? Use your tongue and count your teeth before YAHUAH scatters them for you.

When I was a child, I behave as a child, when I am grown, developed and matured, I behave and act as a adult who has come of age, lmao. I now enjoy the perfect law, the law of liberty, the perfect law of freedom that gives freedom to know by the gift of the Holy Spirit how to do what is right, when to do what right and how to do what is right without falling away from God's right hand side

donnie:
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Really?

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... and who does pagan holidays?

Where did you learn that others do and/or keep pagan holidays?

Monday (i.e. the moon's day, day devoted to worshipping the goddess of the moon) Tuesday (i.e. god of war Tiu, also known as Tyr) Wednesday (i.e. Woden's Day, the day when the god, Woden or Odin was worshiped), Thursday, (i.e. god named Thor day, the god of thunder) Friday, (i.e. goddess named Freya/Frigg/Frige, day, the wife of Odin) Saturday (i.e. god named Saturn day) and Sunday (i.e. god Sun, day), do you have other names for the pagan days of the week, Baba? Do you do pagan week days Baba, lmao?

doggedfighter:
No god is anywhere giving anyone utterance. Speaking in tongues is men fooling themselves

There are the three recorded occurrences of this biblically happened. It is speaking in counterfeit tongues that is men/women fooling themselves

Lee29:
The passionate, sometimes rhythmic, language-like patter that pours forth from religious people who “speak in tongues” reflects a state of mental possession, many of them say. Now they have some neuroscience to back them up.

Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania took brain images of five women while they spoke in tongues and found that their frontal lobes — the thinking, willful part of the brain through which people control what they do — were relatively quiet, as were the language centers. The regions involved in maintaining self-consciousness were active. The women were not in blind trances, and it was unclear which region was driving the behavior.

The images, appearing in the current issue of the journal Psychiatry Research: Neuroimaging, pinpoint the most active areas of the brain. The images are the first of their kind taken during this spoken religious practice, which has roots in the Old and New Testaments and in Pentecostal churches established in the early 1900s. The women in the study were healthy, active churchgoers.

“The amazing thing was how the images supported people’s interpretation of what was happening,” said Dr. Andrew B. Newberg, leader of the study team, which included Donna Morgan, Nancy Wintering and Mark Waldman. “The way they describe it, and what they believe, is that God is talking through them," he said.

Dr. Newberg is also a co-author of “Why We Believe What We Believe.”

In the study, the researchers used imaging techniques to track changes in blood flow in each woman’s brain in two conditions, once as she sang a gospel song and again while speaking in tongues. By comparing the patterns created by these two emotional, devotional activities, the researchers could pinpoint blood-flow peaks and valleys unique to speaking in tongues.

Ms. Morgan, a co-author of the study, was also a research subject. She is a born-again Christian who says she considers the ability to speak in tongues a gift. “You’re aware of your surroundings,” she said. “You’re not really out of control. But you have no control over what’s happening. You’re just flowing. You’re in a realm of peace and comfort, and it’s a fantastic feeling.”

Contrary to what may be a common perception, studies suggest that people who speak in tongues rarely suffer from mental problems. A recent study of nearly 1,000 evangelical Christians in England found that those who engaged in the practice were more emotionally stable than those who did not. Researchers have identified at least two forms of the practice, one ecstatic and frenzied, the other subdued and nearly silent.

The new findings contrasted sharply with images taken of other spiritually inspired mental states like meditation, which is often a highly focused mental exercise, activating the frontal lobes.

The scans also showed a dip in the activity of a region called the left caudate. “The findings from the frontal lobes are very clear, and make sense, but the caudate is usually active when you have positive affect, pleasure, positive emotions,” said Dr. James A. Coan, a psychologist at the University of Virginia. “So it’s not so clear what that finding says” about speaking in tongues.

The caudate area is also involved in motor and emotional control, Dr. Newberg said, so it may be that practitioners, while mindful of their circumstances, nonetheless cede some control over their bodies and emotions.

Correction:

An article in Science Times on Tuesday about brain images of people speaking in tongues misstated the origins of the practice in America. It is thought to have begun in Pentecostal churches established in the early 1900s, not in charismatic churches. The charismatic movement began decades later.

Source: NYTIMES

MuttleyLaff:
... means "ògèdè/ọfọ̀" in Yoruba parlance

doggedfighter:
Speaking in tongues is utter gibberish
Can't believe I was into that crap.
Especially with cool music , I remember how I change tongues under the guise that the annointing is so strong. Hahahaha
Religious life is pure ignorance laced with madness.

I believed and used to indulge in the counterfeit too.
There isn't anything wrong in pure and true religion, though, like the type God finds no fault or flaw in

Buliwyf:
Speaking in tongue is foolishness promoted by impotent mugus.

Impotent way to praying and looking for fast track short cut way to properly and sincerely pray

butterfly777:
Good work.
Speaking in tongues is God giving them utterance, and they say what God gives them.

Miracle of God.

Genuine speaking in tongues are few and far in between. What we seen happening among penterascals are just sheer tomfoolery

donnie:
You're a bloody liar. All business and schools, even markets close on Sundays. How many times do we hear, "no oga, I nor dey work on Sunday. That day I dey give am to God." Do you know how many Christians actually believe the Shabbat is Sunday?

You are breaking YAH's eternal laws and instead of humbling yourself, you come here and tell lies.

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days

That is the proper rendering of that verse. Wicked men will always find a way to defend their wickedness, it's really not an issue of translations. It's a heart issue. It said no man should judge you, did it say YAHUAH can't judge you?

No man should judge me so I can participate in pagan feasts and celebrations? No man should judge me, so I can break YAH's Commandments regarding his Shabbats/ Holy days and take up whatever pagan holidays I want to celebrate. All because white J-zee has paid glory! Did he pay so that you can become an abomination on the earth? Did the scriptures say the Shabbat should be kept only until J-zee or Paul comes and cancels it. You people are playing with fire.

YAHUAH said REMEMBER the SHABBAT because he knew we will be tempted to forget it. What is the meaning of THROUGHOUT YOUR GENERATIONS? Then when you see calamities befall the earth you start praying idiotic prayers instead of repenting.

Exodus 31:13-14
[13]Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am YAHUAH that doth sanctify you.
[14]Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Ezekiel 22:26-28
26 Her priests do violence to my law and profane my holy things; they do not distinguish between the holy and the common; they teach that there is no difference between the unclean and the clean; and they shut their eyes to the keeping of my Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.
28 Her prophets whitewash these deeds for them by false visions and lying divinations. They say, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says’—when YAHUAH has not spoken.

Was Paul an Apostle to Israelites or to gentiles? Were the laws given to Israel or to gentiles? No matter how you twist and turn, you cannot change the truth of YAH to suit you opinions.

MuttleyLaff:
"Then Jesus declared,
“The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
(i.e. The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people,
and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath)"
- Mark 2:27

Mark 2:23-27, contextually, even shows how our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world, Jesus Christ, explains, that God did not have the Sabbath and then man to serve this day. That, the Sabbath, actually and/or in the first place, was made to serve man and to be for his/her benefit, as well, as being. Our bodies are not concrete, cement nor wood. We need to rest, so to regain expended strength and power so to manage and/or maintain our health, well-being and wellness. The other truth of the whole Sabbath matter, is that God didnt necessarily have to rest, but He, leading by example, did. He acted in this way, to show us how to act. Leave to us we will work round the clock, running and chasing after money until we run ourselves down, run out of steam and then unceremoniously fall to the ground and prematurely just like that drop dead. You dont lead, "thou shall not... thou shall keep my ...," by lip service, you lead by example. The "lead by example," is not the main thing, in positively influencing us, it is the only thing, lol. Leading by example is the most powerful advice you can give to anyone, and so after the sixth day, God rested on the seventh, lol

"Let no man disturb you about food or about drink or in the distinctions of feasts and beginnings of months and Sabbaths,
(i.e. Let no man therefore judge you in food, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days)"
- Colossians 2:16

"And after the sabbaths, it being dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb."
- Matthew 28:1

Now, my two beloved, lovingly dear loggerhead with each other brothers shadeyinka and blueAgent, locking horns on the matter of when is Sabbath in regards to being Saturday, Sunday or whatever day, let me draw an image to conjure up a picture in your minds to illustrate, whats going on here. I remember, when young and growing up as a child or kid, lights out was 9pm or 21:00 hours. This means, whether, I feel like it or not, whether I want to or not, it meant it was bedtime. It was not open to discussion, no debates, no arguments, it just was not negotiable other than I have to be in bed by 9pm or 21:00 hours, BUT, lol, when I finally came of age, when I transitioned from childhood to adulthood, when I have developed completely and reached maturity, I didnt necessarily have to stick to that 9pm or 21:00 hours lights out and bedtime seemingly unarbitrary order, lol.

The 9pm or 21:00 hours lights out and bedtime, seemingly unarbitrary order, lol, was made for me and my siblings, not my siblings and I for the 9pm or 21:00 hours lights out and bedtime, seemingly unarbitrary order. It was a laid down rule, set there for our needs, not us for its needs. Our needs, like for example, to refreshen our tired bodies, you of course, know when we were kids, how full of beans and/or energy we are, growing up, jumping up here and there, rolling and runnning up all over the place, tumbling down the hill etcetera.

The long and short of the nolstagic story, is that, now that we are grown, now that we've matured in sense, wisdom and become disciplined. sometimes we go to bed before 9pm or 21:00 hours, after 9pm or 21:00 hours, at 9pm or 21:00 hours and surprisingly, maybe with lights on, lol. The reality now, is that the hard and fast rule is no more there. At my age, it is now flexible, is what Colossians 2:16 above is saying, and no man can judge me for when and how I choose to have my rest (i.e. sabbath)

By the way, the plural sabbath in Colossians 2:16 and Matthew 28:1 above, is not talking about the seventh day rest but all days of rest which includes the seventh day (i.e. Saturday). There are sabbaths that dont fall on the Saturday, but actually do fall during the week and/or in mid week.

What are we saying here then? What is the point made here? It is that, the time is coming, indeed it’s here now, when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship Him that way, lol (i.e. John 4:23) For God has qualified us and made us competent as ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter, but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life, lol (i.e. 2 Corinthians 3:6)

Another quick one, before I close on this. I confidently am sure, each one of you knows about the implication of double solid white lines on our roads, lol. You know about obeying the letter of the double solid white lines law behind it, lol. What of, when to obey the spirit of the double solid white lines law, lol?

... There are two kinds of light, the glow that illuminates, sheds light upon something for people to clearly see and the glare that obscures because people squint and shut their eyes, as the truth is too harsh for their eyes to see with, lol.

kata mian sabbatou, hekastos hymōn heautōtithetō thēsaurizōn ho¦ti ean hina mē hotan elthō tote logeiai ginōntai
- 1 Corinthians 16:2
in Original Greek Text

"Every first of the week (i.e. Sunday), let each of you put something aside, treasuring up whatever he may be prospered in, so that when I might come, then there should be no collections"
- 1 Corinthians 16:2

Baba, doesnt seem to know that as believers, and more importantly, particularly as children as YAH, there is a time when children of God, come of age and transition to matured adults who aren't necessarily slaves to a law, not necessarily slaves to a letter or blindly follow a commandment et cetera.

donnie:
... What is the meaning of "THROUGHOUT YOUR GENERATIONS"? ...

The text "THROUGHOUT YOUR GENERATIONS" means during the period of those listening or hearing the instruction. It also has a meaning that refers to duration or period in the past

In addition, the text "THROUGHOUT YOUR GENERATIONS" also was addressed to people living at the particular time they heard that instructions. The way, you'll know this is true that it had to do with the past et cetera, is because clearly, no one is recorded of being put to death, for violating or defiling the sabbath in the bible during Jesus' 33 years on earth

You've today, changed your profile picture, abi?. Na wa ooo. First to update with a new like sha

donnie:
James 1:27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Even this one is not being practiced.

Sebi, you said Baba that religion is from Satan, hmm? Why are you now then quoting James 1:27? OK, now that you've quoted James 1:27, please give one word of what's your best understanding of the meaning of James 1:27 then

donnie:
Instead they have made a business of imbibing pagan customs and traditions. It's is a worse situation among Isrealites (Bantus). Not only have they made us follow vain customs of the heathen, they have used white Jesus to brainwash us and take away our sense of reasoning, our confidence, our pride and even our love for ourselves.

BABYLON is what they are. BABYLON is from the BANTU word BABE meaning WICKED.

Rather than console yourselves FLEE BABYLON, because destruction is coming and those underground bunkers they've built cannot hide anyone from the wrath of YAHUAH.

Outside the range of the Semitic and Hamitic families of languages, as represented by Arabic and Amharic, the first types of African speech to attract the attention of Europeans and to be written down by them were members of the widespread BANTU group ; an association of tongues as closely interrelated as clear-cut and unmistakable in their peculiar characteristics as the Aryan, the Semitic, or the Malay families of speech.

The Bantu languages of the central prolongation of Africa were of course totally unknown to the Graeco-Roman civilization of the Mediterranean, the cultured minds of which may just have been able to perceive (if they collected and collated the evidence of travellers) that beside the recognized types of Hamitic and Semitic languages of north and north-east Africa there were the tongues of the Nilotic negroes, of the Nubians, of the Tibu (Garamantes), and of the Fula and Wolof negroids on the Atlantic coast of the Sahara and along the banks of the Senegal river.

And although we may assume on fairly sufficient evidence that the Arabian trading-cities of the Yaman and Hadramaut coasts had founded depots for commerce on the Equatorial East African littoral as early as the commencement of the Christian Era (if not before), and had likewise got into touch with the north end of Madagascar and theKomoroo Islands, it is more probable that in those days—eighteen hundred to two thousand years ago—there were no Bantu-speaking negroes on the east coast of Africa. Consequently, though the merchants of south- west Arabia, who acted as important intermediaries in the Indian trade with the Roman Empire in Egypt, may have conveyed slaves from the Zafigian coasts and islands to Egyptian slave-markets, it is doubtful whether these brought with them any Bantu syllables into the medley of tongues talked in the Mediterranean basin.

But not long after Arab and Bantu first met on the east and south-east littoral of Africa there seems to have been a greater fusion of interests between them than between Arab and Kushite (Gala and Somali). The Arabs took up the stock language of the Zafigian group some where on the coast between the Pangani or Rufu river and the Ruvuma and turned it into the Swahili tongue of commerce that we know so well at the present day—the easiest and most widely spread of the Bantu languages.

When the Portuguese rounded Cape Verde and reached the mouth of the Congo during the second half of the fifteenth century, they nowhere found a native language (excepting, of course, North African Arabic) sufficiently easy of pronunciation or simple in structure to be used as a medium of instruction and intercommunication, until they reached Bantu Africa. Their missionaries soon began to learn Kipikongaj and a little later the Mbundu speech of Angola. Kipikorigco words are given in Pigafetta's description of the Portuguese Congo explorations published in 1591. Kipi-koiigci) was committed to writing and to print (in the form of a treatise on Christian doctrine) as early as 1624 by a Jesuit (Portuguese) missionary ; and a Grammar (see Bibliography in ChapterIV) by Italian missionary was published at Rome in 1659.

Kimbundu of Angola was illustrated by Italian missionaries in 1642 and 1661 ; and a Grammar of Kimbundu (by Diaz) was printedatLisbonin1697. AstudyofLuango)andKakoiigMwascarriedoutintheeighteenth century by French missionaries, such as the Abbe Proyart.
As early as 1505, but chiefly between the middle of the sixteenth century and 1760, Portuguese soldier-explorers and missionaries put into their writings numerous phrases of two East African Bantu tongues: Karafia {' Mocaranga ') and Swahili.

- A COMPARATIVE STUDY OF THE BANTU AND SEMI-BANTU LANGUAGES
by SIR HARRY H. JOHNSTON G.C.M.G., K.C.B., D.Sc. (Canibs.)
Pages 1-2 A History Of Research Into The Bantu Languages

MuttleyLaff:
"Then Jesus declared,
“The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
(i.e. The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people,
and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath)"
- Mark 2:27

Mark 2:23-27, contextually, even shows how our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world, Jesus Christ, explains, that God did not have the Sabbath and then man to serve this day. That, the Sabbath, actually and/or in the first place, was made to serve man and to be for his/her benefit, as well, as being. Our bodies are not concrete, cement nor wood. We need to rest, so to regain expended strength and power so to manage and/or maintain our health, well-being and wellness.

The other truth of the whole Sabbath matter, is that God didnt necessarily have to rest, but He, leading by example, did. He acted in this way, to show us how to act. Leave to us we will work round the clock, running and chasing after money until we run ourselves down, run out of steam and then unceremoniously fall to the ground and prematurely just like that drop dead. You dont lead, "thou shall not... thou shall keep my ...," by lip service, you lead by example. The "lead by example," is not the main thing, in positively influencing us, it is the only thing, lol. Leading by example is the most powerful advice you can give to anyone, and so after the sixth day, God rested on the seventh, lol ...

"Don't let anyone tell you what you must eat or drink.
Don't let them say you must celebrate the New Moon festival, the Sabbath, or any other festival."
- Colossians 2:16

"Therefore, let no one judge you because of what you eat or drink
or about the observance of annual holy days, New Moon Festivals, or weekly worship days"
- Colossians 2:16

"One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike.
Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind"
- Romans 14:5

Now, Baba, you seem to be among those, who havent learned any of the varied lessons of the Convenient Virus, which one of them, is found in John 4:23-24. You are ignorant of Colossians 2:16 and dont seem to that to believers that know, there is no sacredness in Sunday worshipping, lol. There is nothing special about it, lol. Baba, did you at all, catch Romans 14:5 above, huh? Praise God. Alleluia.

donnie:
Religion is from Satan.

Baba doesnt know what God, the Father, considers to be pure and genuine religion. Doesn't know about religion that God, our Father, accepts as pure and faultless. Baba has not yet cop on that, religion is a ministry (i.e. ministering to others), lmao

jamesid29:
It's because of misinformation such as these that I sometimes wish more people were interested in history. History of christainity to be precise.

Going through the posts here, I don't think there's anything information that I pass across that would change your mind, so I pray the Holy Spirit Himself( the Spirit of truth) will reveal God's truth to you. Amen

Baba, is a blind guide leading blind. You think it is a joke I always call baba, a poor history student/teacher ni?

Acehart:
The dilemma of knowing the truth. Sometimes, you feel alone.

"... uttering apocalyptic, prophetic, and supernatural directives spoken in hexamic poetry ..." means "ògèdè/ọfọ̀" in Yoruba parlance

Acehart:
Paul stated the bolden in Chapter 12:1-3. He didn’t want to waste his words to express his utter disgust.

You and I know that, but I can say the same about others

Acehart:
You could add https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelic_tongues to Sullivan’s link.

"... The writer of the Testament of Job is drawing from the ancient Book of Job and spicing it up with some Hellenistic drama with a mixture of Jewish thought. The person is integrating the ancient rites of the Greek prophetesses going into ecstasy resulting in uttering apocalyptic, prophetic, and supernatural directives spoken in hexamic poetry...."

The wikipedia doesnt highlight the contradictions etcetera in this Dan Brown similar literary work older version

Acehart:
I didn’t stop studying after our discussion was marred by dubious men.

I wanted to check if my write-up was consistent with the scriptures. Then I stretched my tentacles to chapter 15. Behold, I saw the word “Writings” appearing three times; Between the second Corinthians and second Timothy, it appeared ten times. “The scriptures“, the word used in many Bible versions is translated as “Holy writings”. “Writings” is the English translation for “Ketuvim” or “ Hagiographa“; while the Holy Scriptures is what is called Tanakh - The Five Books of Moses (Torah), Nevi'im ('Prophets') and Ketuvim ('Writings').

One book that is not fashioned after the traditional Writing and has been classified as an Apocrypha is The Testament of Job literature. One major deviation of this literature is the content on angelic tongues and angelic form of worship in Heaven. In this literature, Job bestows his physical assets to his sons and a supernatural gift for his daughters; three heavenly made sashes that when worn, cause his daughters to enter a different mental state where eternal ones replace the present realities. It also causes them to sing exalted hymns in the dialect of certain angels. Did the infatuation for Knowledge cause the CorInthian church to delve in this apocrypha and cause Paul to react?

Finallydead:
Yep. The word "kainos" always referred to unprecedented.

Let's leave out the diverse species of angels else we open another can of worms. But, yeah, the Lord meant unprecedented tongues. And there are tongues of men and also of angels.
The thing is it's too far out the limb to believe this has anything to do with the book of Job. And there's enough evidence in the text as to what Paul meant so no need to start looking for what's not lost.

A colorized and altered Testament of Job sample in Greek Minuscule
https://charlesasullivan.com/14354/the-testament-of-job-and-angelic-tongues/

One word about "kainos," is: innovate(d) or innovation (i.e. "neos" on steroids, unprecedented)

MuttleyLaff:
Fingers aren't equal in sizes and/or length, but when they come close together and touching each, they appear unified, equal and the same

Finallydead:
Hmmmh...

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Finallydead:
Well, that makes three of us, Lol. Prolly cos I quoted an old post here without modifying.

Brother, you know a point came in my life where I realised I can only really know the things of God by His Spirit and not my intelligence which falls far short. So I gave up on it and began to seek God with an open heart. And true to Himself, He was merciful to me and began to show me Himself. That's why I always recommend every believer does same as we all have the same Holy Spirit in us.(Jn14:26, 1Cor2:10-13)

That way we would all be edified towards unity of faith and gradually less divided.

My position remains what is consistent with my experience and Paul's exposition as in my first post.
https://www.nairaland.com/5860057/should-speak-tongues-right/4#89700832

But I picked up a few things from our scriptural exchange too. Great thread before it was derailed. Well done and God bless.

MuttleyLaff:
... I cant remember where I read that:
If a crooked stick is before you, you need not explain how crooked it is.
Lay a straight one down by the side of it, and the work is well done.

I reserve any comment I might/might not have on Kenneth Hagin
as for Myles Munroe however, he was one of my best teachers,
yet everything I learned from him still has to be first vetted and okayed by my Teacher

Do you know that its a hardest thing of all, to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if there is no cat.

Open criticism is better than unexpressed love
- Proverbs 27:5

I love you more

MuttleyLaff:
Of course, your greatest Teacher, afterall is the Spirit of Truth, aka Holy Spirit, even Holy Ghost, who guides you into all truths. If anyone of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all, without finding fault, and it will be given to you. That promise, is courtesy of James 1:5 missjo.

MuttleyLaff:
From the bible, God of course and just from meditating on the word of God

The bible and God have always been right. My Teacher, of course, who happens to be the Spirit of Truth, He guides me too, into all the truth, for He doesnt speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He discloses to me.

If you too were to come from the presence of God, your face too will be shinning and others will be seeing the radiant glory of God on your face. Do you at all know what the conscious in presence of God feels like? ...

MuttleyLaff:
... You need only one Teacher that will guide you into all truths and tell you things nwanne.

MuttleyLaff:
Now I am getting a sense of why you said you took a hiatus from the Religion forum Nairaland and why I should expedite my response to your 3 questions of interest. I have started on it and hopefully you should my response before bedtime tonight. The Spirit of Truth, clearly is something worth having as a Teacher, Ally and Confidant

Jozzy\4, without doubt, correctly and clearly, right from the Page 1 start word go, had said that, there is nothing like RAPTURE and to go read the Bible to know there isnt. I'll further chip in that even the word RAPTURE is AWOL in the bible. Princewell\2012, you'll never find the word RAPTURE written up anywhere in the Bible

Fingers aren't equal in sizes and/or length, but when they come close together and touching each, they appear unified, equal and the same

Bump

Maximus69:
She wants to know the truth, now she can see how different set of groups are coming in here to discourage her due to the point she made with her post:
"I'm beginning to reason with Jehovah's Witnesses"

Rottennaija (ex JW)
Achorladey (disguised JW)
Myer (disguised Atheist)
GRIMMJOE (confused Atheist)
Johnw47 (Misinformed Churchgoer)
Freshboi88 (RCCG)
MuttleyLaff (Freethinker)
Somvayina (Freethinker)
And many others have been trying to tell her what she posted is bad yet all of you can't come together on one line of thought.
So i think the young lady can sense what i've been trying to tell her right from the onset, all of you are on the same side, only JWs are on the other side!

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growtogeda:
good morning donnie
good morning MuttleyLaff

Top of the morning to you my dear good friend, trust you're well.

donnie:
Hopefully we would one day come to our senses and realize that these two weddings are actually traditional weddings.

We only had one wedding

donnie:
Hmm... You are shaking another table o

What other table is there to shake? All I see, is wastefulness and the lack of having a sense of priority

donnie:
Mtcheew

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Mtcheew kọ, Miaow ni

Uyi168:
... Carrying and exposing Belle up and down..

Dont worry my guy, you too, soon, will become a happy baba bom boy, young king, father. Amen, lmao

donnie:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/11749715_3dafedcc580841905fb56d2301e85b32_jpeg871d36a4f650a9fb992a0acd1032a93b

The Real EGYPT

[img]https://s7/images/Ramses.jpg[/img]
Ramses II (i.e. Pharaoh, the Egyptian ruler or king) holding two Assyrian and an East African (i.e. Sudanese and/or Ethiopian).

Notice that the Assyrians have the same reddish brown skin tone as Ramses II (i.e. Pharaoh, the Egyptian ruler or king), when this is compared with the shown black skin of the East African (i.e. Sudanese and/or Ethiopian)

donnie:
If they like, they should write Year 01 on the picture. We know ESAU and how they tell lies as a way of life. Bible says the devil is a natural liar. It's his nature.

Baba, thanks to technology, and laboratories' modern equipments, a painting/mural/mosaics/icons et cetera can be subjected to analysis using infrared reflectography, Wood's light, a stereoscopic microscope, IR spectroscopy and other instrumental techniques to check, ascertain, verify and/or confirm its authenticity, age or century period.

An example of such world repute laboratories, is one at the Museo d'Arte e Scienza (i.e. Museum of Art and Science) in Milan, Italy.

I still maintain and insist that, you are unable to produce a single black picture for as early as the 6th century and blow period. This is a fact.

It is mission impossible for you and that simply is because there are no black faced, black skin Jesus or Israelites pictures, mural, icons et cetera ever existing to produce.

Black face Jesus or Israelites are a figment of your imagination, an indulgence in blissful fantasy, lmao. Produce your earlier than 6th century Black face Jesus or Israelites pictures and lets have them subjected to tests.

letu:
Dude your doing a very good work in defending your WHITE'S ...

You're getting this whole thing altogether wrong. This isn't "good work" talkless using a superlative such as "very" to describe how I am refuting the BLATANT LIES that Baba is forever perpetuating.

letu:
in everything you will stand for them, by defending them, always saying the truth or the version of the truth that only support Eurocentric view in everything

I am a world citizen who believes that all people group regardless of creed, sex, race the colour of their skin et cetera, should have common interests and be unified. I encourage beneficial mutual political and economic involvement collaboration all people groups. I support encouraging anything that strengthens a sense of brotherhood and bonds of togetherness among all people and/or between every people group in the whole wide world, but letu, I would not support someone drag another group of people, through the mud, spread lies about them, spitefully tar everyone of the other group of people will the same brush, as if, the whole group of people are 100% immoral and/or amoral. Something like that, is not right, not just and neither fair because imagine this letu, that, if another group of people say about you and your entire country fellows, that they are fantastically all corrupt, that they are all Yahoo Yahoo and all those kinds of absurd stereotyping would be just roll over and accept the lies, hmm?

letu:
it has always been clear that you are not fighting anything rather you're promoting a singular version of truth that only serve one purpose, it doesn't matter how much you try to masquerade it by speaking about Authochthonous Native Black Americans, other Native Blacks of other continent and Black Israelis eg Ethiopian jews ...

My dear friend, it was you who brought up (i.e. posted) that picture of a girl/young woman, with a clearly distinctive afro hair, sitting down in the middle of two standing Native American young men, now I suppose, you were trying to use the picture drive a point that the girl/young woman, with the obvious afro hair, is indigenous and/native to America. Isn't that so? Well that isn't entirely true, it is misleading and you know that. The deception is what prompted me to advance the difference between Autochthon American and Native American. There are two group of people in America historically called Indians, only one is called African American. Why is this letu? Why letu, are Autochthon Americans, called and/or addressed as African American?

letu:
it still won't be enough to hide the fact of what you're actually promoting eg like they say and ask can a Leopard change its colour, it will always be a big fat NO.

"²²And if you ask yourself,
“Why has this happened to me?”
It is because of the magnitude of your iniquity
that your skirts have been stripped off
and your body has been exposed.
²³Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard his spots?
Neither are you able to do good
— you who are accustomed to doing evil.
²⁴“I will scatter you like chaff driven by the desert wind.
²⁵This is your lot, the portion I have measured to you,"
- Jeremiah 13:22-25a

"Are you not like the children of the Ethiopians to me, children of Israel?"
(i.e. Are you not like the children of the Ethiopians to me, people of Israel?" says the LORD.)"
- Amos 9:7a

"Envoys shall come out of Egypt.
Ethiopia shall hurry to stretch out her hands to God."
- Psalm 68:31

"He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity:
he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword."
– Revelation 13:10.


"²⁶And Judah said unto his brethren, What profit is it if we slay our brother, and conceal his blood?
²⁷Come, and let us sell him to the Ishmaelite,
and let not our hand be upon him; for he is our brother [and] our flesh.
And his brethren were content (i.e. they all agreed to the plan)"
– Genesis 37:26-27

letu, let me clear you up, on the meaning of "... can a Leopard change its colour, ..." sic (i.e. Jeremiah 13:23) You see letu, that "... can a Leopard change its colour, ..." sic saying, was used by God to deride the Israelites. God was holding up the Israelites to ridicule with that saying implying that the Isrealites' character is bad, that they are intrinsically linked to doing evil and/or be up to no good. He now mocked the Israelites, that just as an Ethiopian or black-skinned person cant change their skin complexion, so the Israelites cant change their bad and/evil minded character.

You see letu, the irony in all this, can be seen in Psalm 68:31 above, in that the Ethiopian might not be able to change his/her skin, they are capable of changing their character and gravitate towards God. For crying out, look at, Amos 9:7a above, please. I don't have to remind you of the Ethiopian eunuch's encounter with Stephen. There are more examples than this one but time isn't an ally

Time, again not being an ally, doesn't permit, me to go into why Judah (i.e. the Israelites inside the Southern kingdom) went into slavery, so I am left with just showing Genesis 37:26-27 and Revelation 13:10 above with their useful and interesting information.

The Deuteronomy scriptures usually and popularly quoted by black skinned Hebrews/Israelites, the likes donnie et al are used for propaganda to erroneously show the reason for the enslavement of Africans by Esau/Edom/Edomites (i.e. this is what black skinned Hebrew Israelites call all white people) which is completely misleading, a farce and just big fat LIES.

letu, if you going to be honest, sincere and truthful, even you can see that, even on this thread the 400 years of the purported enslavement of black during the transatlantic slave trade doesn't even add up. The maths is just not right with the figures or date, lmao. Why? It is because everything is a sham, lmao, the blacks enslavement has nothing to do with the already fulfilled prophecy of the Israelites enslavements in Egypt

kkins25:
Sorry, i was spambotted!!! What sites are safe for me to use images from na? MuttleyLaf

Almost all are safe, including the used in your hidden post. The reason you were spambotted is because your image link was typed in incorrectly and/or unproperly done, and so the browser couldn't render it, which triggerred the bot to hide the post and withdraw posting privileges from you (i.e. banned you then)

donnie:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/11747738_61720ae26c5bcac4a8f7e2553ae69ada_jpegbaaf0a146eee84925f5da7cfffdb8a5c

Clear whitewashing of history.
Can't you see ur pics get whiter as we go down?

See them... Olé!!

You mean olé, lying thieving so and so like you've done above with Gustav Badin, huh? I haven't your time of your yet another big fat lie and deception depicting Gustav Badin as a "When Jews ruled Europe" smh. You are pathetic, you don't know that, don't you Baba? .

I can see that all the pictures I've presented are all verifiable. They each easily, are able to be checked that their dating is accurate and they are justified to be true. In fact, they can be seen life, by visiting those monasteries, museums et cetera to ascertain whether they are whitewashed or not.

Baba, all you are doing is resorting to propaganda. You are unable to produce a single black picture for as early as the 6th century and below that period, like I've soft work, simply and easily have done, lmao. This is a fact.

It is mission impossible for you and that simply is because there are no black faced, black skin Jesus or Israelites pictures, mural, icons, mosaics, et cetera ever existing to produce.

Black face Jesus or black skinned Israelites/black skinned Jews, are a figment of your imagination, an indulgence in blissful fantasy, lmao.

donnie:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/11747753_7a4c4f8350e38d6a07157b77d080859c_jpeg6d109c79eb7aae53bc3f7eeee321877a

Prophet Daniel

[img]https://s7/images/Daniel.jpg[/img]
Orthodox icon of Daniel the Prophet.
14th century, Mount Athos in Greece

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Orthodox icon of Daniel the Prophet,
13th century, Monastery of Dionysiou, Mount Athos in Greece

donnie:
See as dem whitewash am come rubb am powder.
Even the sky, the native pot and wooden tables are whitish
You don't need to show us those fake images, they are all over our churches and streets in Africa.

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Checkmate. Look at ALL the dates nah.
You can't even manage to produce a single black face pic as early as any of these, lmao

Why not make your next holiday break destination, be to these still operating monasteries, to verify or not, that anything is whitewashed

donnie:
Now we know SHEM (ISRAEL's ancestor) was black because ELAM the son of SHEM had descendants who painted the images you see below. These Elamites, descendants of SHEM, painted themselves on the walls of SUSA, located in modern day Iran. They painted themselves as black people.

MuttleyLaff:
Baba produce "pishures" with black faces, circa 6th century or even 10th century period now.
That one na mission impossible for you, lmao,
even James Bond, them no born am reach produce any, lmao.

[img]https://s7/images/mosaic-panel-2-abe-angels.jpg[/img]
The Hospitality of Abraham, c. 432–440, mosaic,
at sanctuary, Church of Santa Maria Maggiore, Rome (Italy)
- based on Genesis 18
where Abraham & Sarah are visited by 3 messengers (i.e. God)

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[img]https://s7/images/Christ_with_beard.jpg[/img]
Mural painting from the catacomb of Commodilla.
One of the first bearded images of Jesus, late 4th century.

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[img]https://s7/images/58810-004-7FC30CE1.jpg[/img]
An early 5th-century mosaic in a semicircular portion of a church in Rome
shows Christ, the Apostles, and the four evangelists (i.e. the Tetramorph represented by the beasts)


[img]https://s7/images/800px-Apsis_mosaic2C_Santa_Pudenziana2C_Rome_W3.jpg[/img]
Christ Pantocrator in a Roman mosaic
in the church of Santa Pudenziana, Rome, c. 400–410 AD (i.e. Enlarged version of pic above it)