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@Joagbaje

You either support jungle justice or you condemn it totally. I think you should condemn it. The police ask questions, yet innocent people get executed by court judgments. Jungle justice practitioners don't ask any questions. If I am taking a stroll with you on a Lagos street and I suddenly point at you and shout "ole! ole!" you are a dead man! The only way to prevent this happening is to stop jungle justice TOTALLY, including for the robbers, murderers and rapists.

Trying to make a distinction and say "what about those who do very bad things and don't respect the lives of others" is a typically Nigerian way of looking at things, I have noticed. We want something, yet we don't want it. We want to fight corruption yet scream blue murder when someone is arraigned in handcuffs for corruption. In this case, we want to safeguard the innocent, yet we are not prepared to be patient to take people through the court system to determine their guilt or innocence.

You say the courts execute innocent people whether this means courts should be scrapped. Of course, not. It does mean courts should stop executing people. The court system tries to ensure innocents are not killed, as a result of which only a few innocents get killed - for democratic societies. Your jungle justice is a wholesale slaughter of innocents and minor offenders.

Thank you.

Lol. Did you really sit down to write this, logic101? Great write-up.

kodewrita:
Please name one functioning country that has run communism successfully.

North Korea--Complete failure. surviving on food stamps from china, south korea and the US. Also selling weapons to miscreants.
Cuba--Existed on Soviet funds for a long time. Still deeply indebted to Russia (though not usually mentioned).
USSR-- what? LMAO.
China-- "To be rich is glorious". Mao would be ashamed to see the modern China.
Vietnam-- communist in name. just like china, its essentially a capitalist dictatorship.
Yugoslavia--see USSR above.
East Germany--Merged into West germany and generally dragging down German economy.
Libya-- touche.
Mozambique-- capitulated. Now deeply capitalist.
Byellorusia--Capitalist democracy
Romania, Hungary etc---Deeply capitalist. Failures all of them.

Yet you want us to take on a system whose very nature detests the entrepreneurialism thats the core of nigerian life. God help you if you dont fill your farm quota. Besides web designers will only be paid according to effort not the going market rate that truly values their expertise.

Lol. You must be a web designer.

IG:
Seconded.
I think that is what China is experimenting and they seem to be succeeding. People are allowed to get rewarded for their hardwork but the society doesn't ignore those that fail to make it. My problem with capitalism is it's soullessness. It treats poverty as the fault of the poor.

I agree with you capitalism is soulless - one has only to take a look at the pyramid scheme called "stock market", a larger-than-life system where people make money, not from goods and services, but from pieces of paper! But where are the shining examples to point to to make the case for communism? So I agree with you that a mixed system is better. But China is no shining example of that. In a few years from now, maybe once the generation that personally knew Mao is gone, the Chinese will stop pretending to be "communist". The unfortunate thing is that what the Chinese are building is the American-type capitalism that you describe as "soulless", not the people-oriented "mixed" social democracy you find in Europe, particularly the Scandinavian countries.

JeSoul:
LOL . . . no wonder I had to leave, I won't fit at all at all

Ha. The fattening houses of Calabar are still open naa! You will be sequestered for just one week, and then you will be fit to be an African wife sharp sharp!

RSA:
Nigerians are born with hatred and jealousy,it is in their DNA.If they don't hate their countrymen eg.Hausa and Igbho,or Yoruba and Igbo then they hate other Africans who are doing better than them eg.Ghana,South Africa or East Africans like Kenya.

Nigeria have the potential to be one the most succesful country in the world,but their people are cursed.They hate mass progress,they are controlled by 'Big man mentality',they all think they know even if they knows nothing.It's a desease and I doubt it has a cure.

Oh, dear!

Aren't Nigerians interesting people? So it's okay for the Army to kill innocent civilians for the purpose of catching some terrorists and oyiboish to try to probe such killings?

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=732255.msg8908839#msg8908839 date=1313158753]@ the polygamy warriros

shut up.

The philanderer himself said he's not practicing polygamy. He's just a f.ool, that's all.
So please take your polygamic mentality somewhere else.[/quote]Lol at "polygamic mentality".

Ma'am, I was commenting on Ogombo's baseless assertions that there are verses in the Bible adjuring against polygamy. If you read my post well you may notice that I was not commenting on the actions on Mr Okojie, a liar who is definitely not the kind of man I would like a sister of mine to marry.

ogombo:
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Originally  man was to have only one wife - Gen 2:18, 22-25. God want man to have just one wife. And that was why he created one woman for Adam and not wives for him.

The above argument is not sustainable. In one movie someone said if God wanted man to fly he would have given him wings. Do you agree with him? Of course, if God gave Adam one wife in the Bible story it does not follow that he wanted man to have only one wife. This is corroborated by the fact God did not censure any of his servants who married multiple wives in the same OT where you read the Adam story.

ogombo: However, when christ was on earth he restored one man one wife standard for christains---Mathew 19: 3-9. From that time on early christains abided by that standard by marrying one wife. ---1 Corinthians 7:2, 12-16 and Ephesians 5:28-31.

None of those scriptures denounces polygamy. Obviously it's not encouraged in the New Testament (the way lending on interest is not) but it is certainly not condemned the way stealing, idol worshiping or fornication are. In fact, lending on interest comes in for far stronger censure than polygamy which is to be avoided mainly by those of the pulpit.

ogombo: marrying one wife is for our benefit. A Look at the problems associated with marrying more than one wife is numerous to discuss here. I hope u would go through the above scriptures and meditate over them

Polygamy certainly has its downsides. But have you considered the benefits?

ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY AND THE TRUE BELIEVER
  by Terry Walstrom

In Physics class the Professor gathers his students together on the first day of school in the gymnasium for a stunning demonstration in what he terms "absolute certainty."

The class is naturally intrigued, curious and eager to observe.
From the metal joist supports in the gym ceiling a cable is hanging all the way to eye-level in the center of the space; like a fireman's pole. But, at the end of this cable is a 100lb metal wrecking ball! What is this all about?

The Professor begins his demonstration.
"In science there are things we are so certain of we call them LAWS. They are beyond refutation. Scientists depend on them and you should too. For example, " the Professor walks over to the wrecking ball and continues talking,
"Sir Isaac Newton discovered the principle that to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This is called a LAW of MOTION."  The Professor gazes around at the students who are still anticipating something extraordinary to come.
"There is also a Law of Conservation of Energy. All it means is that you never get more out of a system than you put into it. In other words, there is no free ride!"

Then with a sly smile he concludes: "Who believes what I said is true?"
All hands go up easily. The Professor smiles.
"How many of you are ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN?"
Nobody hesitates; all hands stay up.
"Very well, let me test your convictions about certainty and belief. I need a volunteer."
An athletic jock-type student ambles forward with a mock macho swagger.
"Okay, here is what I'm going to do. I'm going to have you step 10 feet back away from this 100lb wrecking ball."  The student complies to the sniggering and smart aleck comments of his class mates.
"Now, I'm going to push this ball forward until it is one inch from your nose." The Professor grabs the ball and pushes slowly as he walks toward the student until the ball almost touches his face.
"I am going to let go of this wrecking ball and it is going to swing backward all the way to the other side about 10 feet and pause and move forward again BACK TOWARD YOUR FACE."

The jock shakes his head like he's just heard really unbelievably bad news. The students grow loud and agitated.
"Since you believe that the Law of Conservation will not allow this ball to come any closer than it is now, you cannot possibly have your head smashed to a bloody pulp by the impact. For that would mean more energy somehow crept into the system; which science tells us is impossible."
Immediately the volunteer vanishes back into the crowd who "boo's" him unmercifully.
"Anybody else want to show their faith in science?"  Several candidates are unwillingly offered by the crowd but each one shakes loose and declines in protest.
"Very well then. I myself will demonstrate Absolute Certainty." And with that the Professor holds the ball in front of his nose and lets go.

The ball arcs directly away from him in a ponderously slow heave across the gym and pauses 20 feet away. With the sure swiftness of a freight train it hurls ominously forward on a dead ahead path toward the Professor's fragile skull! At the last possible millisecond the ball pauses at maximum arc a little more than an inch from his outstretched nose and swings ever back again!
There was dead silence, groans, screams and then a cheer as the dramatic demonstration came to a close. Thunderous applause ensued as the students hailed the extreme bravery of their Professor.

"Why are you cheering? It was impossible that I could be hurt. I knew that but you didn't know it. Why? Because my Absolute Certainty trumps your so-called "belief." You said you believed the Laws of Conservation but, you only had a weak shadow of it in your mind. You were actually shocked and amazed when I wasn't fractured into bits!"
"Until you recognize the difference between "thinking" something is true and absolutely "believing" it--you haven't learned today's lesson at all."

      I was one of the students in that demonstration all those years ago. I considered it an amazing demonstration at the time. I still do. And yet, one day I would display the same Absolute Certainty of Belief that would put me seemingly in harm's way that the Professor displayed all those years past.  But, it had nothing to do with science or any Law of motion.

Source
Highlights mine.

^^^ It will take time and money, neither of which Juba can afford, to build pipes to the Kenyan ports. The ones to the North are up and running. Remember the South's economy depends on oil. If I recall things correctly, about 98% of its current budget comes from oil. No, the South will lose much more in the short and medium term.

I don't have any comparative figures at my disposal, but $32 per barrel seems high to me. I hope they are able to sit down and negotiate.

Very fascinating thread.

Zikkyy:
The bit highlighted are very common gist in some areas. Whether you believe it or not will be dependent on the neighborhood you were raised or life experiences.

I grew up in an area where such beliefs are rife. There is only one thing I am sure of: everyone, including me, used to believe in the concept of akara-borne witchcraft, but I never personally witnessed anything. But Joagbaje and Natasha seem sure of what they have seen concerning this business.

A situation of child witchcraft is depicted in Arthur Miller’s play The Crucible which deals with the Massachusetts witchcraft situation of 17-something. What happened in Massachusets was that once these children found out what power they possessed they made full use of them by simply pointing out any adult they did not like her face and accusing her of being a witch. Once this accusation was made there was no force on earth that could save a pious but unfortunate soul so accused from the gallows! One is persuaded to see Africa’s child witches of today in this light - kids hallucinating, or "confessing" "so they could go back to sleep" or admitting so the torture would stop. I've not seen the videos in this thread, but like Nuke said, I think it’s time we started looking beyond the obvious.

I find nuclearboy’s arguments in posts 54 and 83 very persuasive. Men of the pulpit like Joagbaje tend to approach these matters with a certain approach and are always on the lookout for an opportunity to manifest power, hence I will not set too much store by his words here. But I wish Natasha can tell us more – in fact, I will give anything to personally interview her. And if I had the resources right now I would propose bringing Martian to taste a few balls of her grandma’s akara if the ancient woman is still alive, with Joagbaje standing by with a crate of olive oil in case my experiment goes awry and Martian starts flying non-stop! 

Sir, I understand the problems in eastern DRC. But in your view because of the role of the interahamwe and Rwanda and Uganda and others in the Congolese problems and because there is a video it is wrong to talk about the competence of the president of Congo in a thread about Congo? Ok. It's been wonderful talking to you. Sleep well.

You are strange, mate! Can you show one word I have written in support of the video, much more rely on it? I can see how so intelligent you are, Einstein, but you are not making sense at all.You are strange, mate! Can you show one word I have written in support of the video, much more rely on it? I can see how so intelligent you are, Einstein, but you are not making sense at all.

And the understanding you want is? Mr frosbel wants to use the video to rig your elections and rob Kabila of victory! You see how obsessed you are? People can understand you, it's you who can't understand others. I have not insulted you, it's you who resorted to insults once you had no facts to defend Mr Kabila's failed rule or explain why the fact of so much death and suffering in the Congo does not bother you, and that's quite common around here. You are unobjective and have a problem comprehending English. Talking to you is a waste of time.

What is your understanding of the topic - THE PROBLEM IN THE CONGO? And did I set out to prove anything? But you are seriously handicapped by your poor comprehension of English which is understandable.

Where have I said the videos contain truth? What I don't get is why you are so obsessed with the election and think everyone else is and, more inportantly, why you believe Joseph Kabila is good for the Congo even though parts of the country is hell on earth and still degenerating under him. Or do the facts you have indicate that the Congo is improving under Kabila? That is what I simply asked your persectives on but you fly off the handle, strangely citing phantom terminologies and dishonesty!logies and dishonesty!

American termiology! Damage control!! Name calling!!! Mercenary!!!! Hmm. Obviously you plan to recommend Mr Kabila for canonisation and can't stand any criticism of him. That or you have a big fat job doing this on the young man's behalf.

For your info I'm not Congolese and have no candidate in the elections. But you don't seem able to comprehend statements hence your belief that I take these videos seriously or share these crazy ideas about America being behind the Congo's problems. Or maybe it's just all about what you gain personally from the present rot in Kabila's Congo. I don't know that is the case, just saying it's a possibility. It's the problem we have in Africa, people betraying their country for personal gains. These kinds of people, and not America, are the sources of the Congo's problems.

@eddy1977
You said Tshisekedi is "gaining ground" but nothing about what abilities he will bring to the job. I think you want to be careful who you replace Kabila with.

Amhatu:
@eddy1977 & MyJoe ,

I knew all this was about the upcomming Congolese election from the beginning.

Now you are beginning to sound like the conspiracy theorists in this thread and in these funny videos. No, I'm not about the elections, I'm about the suffering people of the conundrum called Congo. I agree with much of what you say in this thread except your implicit support for the incompetent Kabila. If Kabila hasn't performed you should be objective enough to say so. But maybe you really think he has, so I will ask you the same question I asked your compatriot. If Kabila is good for the Congo why, in your view, has he not delivered? At least I can be sure you are not going to tell me the Americans are behind his failure.

eddy1977:
but the mofo is so dumb,and clueless.no management skills,no communication skills,no nothing.

The facts bear this out. In fact we need a stronger word than "clueless" to describe Kabila. But why do you think Mr Tshisekedi will make a good leader?

Amhatu:
The persons posting the videos are to lazy to do their on research rather they rely on foreigners not of Africa or African Heritage to tell our History or story.

Some people don't need facts. What they make up inside their own head is enough.

I have no doubt you can exchange ideas with eggheads from Cambridge and NASA. But how much of it is banter, the kind of conversations you see your third class colleagues have and they pump each other in the chest and laugh till tears come out of their eyes? None! That is something you are incapable of. That is why I advisedly mentioned visiting various sections - forget budget deficits or nanotechnology sometimes and just go for the common stuff. You will see how hard you find that to begin with. Academic discourses are just academic discourses, relating with people is something else. That is why you find this wedge. At the end of the day you may just have to accept that you can't be like everyone and then redefine happiness. If you havn't seen the movie A Beautiful Mind you should. I wrote more extensively on this issue in another thread. Will try to find it.

It is sad that the rank of the African leaders who commanded some respect keeps dwindling with the recent resolve of the likes of Bingu wa Mutharika of Malawi and Abdullahi Wade of Senegal to dance na[i]k[/i]ed in the marketplace.

Mr Mutharika sent the signal not too long ago when he told the followers of his party to physically attack anyone as much as say anything uncomplimentary of the president. And when a diplomat criticised him he expelled the diplomat, cutting off a significant amount of aid to Malawi. With the recent slaughter of demonstrators it might not be long before Malawi degenerates into the days of His Excellency the Life President of Malawi Dr. H. Kamuzu Banda.

I hope those calling for an ICC trial get their way so that justice can be served to those killed. Or, better still, I hope he gets tried by the courts of Malawi some day.

JeSoul:
Ejo, no vex super Mukina. Na small misitake the guy make ehn. You know not all of us are as super as you now He will show up shortly with kolanut and palmwine to appease you  

  Frosbel,
     I think you owe the muslims and mods an apology . . .

There was no mistake at all and Super Mukaina is not telling us the truth and even F doesn't know the whole truth! ISNT IT TRUE that F has been exposing every religion as a fraud except his own? Investigations have revealed he is the victim of a lynchmob comprising Moslems, Calvinists, JWs, Adventists, Catholics, CECs, WOFs, Jews and other exposees of F. They're all fearing truth!

@op
I have to agree with claremont about redefining happiness and smartness because you may have little choice. It is good to be gregarious but what if you can't be? And redefining smartness means realising, among other things, that everything is relative, as people you know who made "third class" are clearly smarter than you in some things that matter, like relating with people. That should help you to accept things and make the best of them as claremont suggested.

Still here is a suggestion that may help you improve. Learn to understand people. When you come to Nairaland, for instance, don't just make a post and slink away. DEBATE with people on various subjects and see how they respond to you. You will soon identify personality types and see how well you can manage conversations. You may gain some confidence and be able to replicate things offline. Think of other ways to improve gradually. Cheer up!e on various subjects and see how they respond to you. You will soon identify personality types and see how well you can manage conversations. You may gain some confidence and be able to replicate things offline. Think of other ways to improve gradually. Cheer up!

kemori:
just open your mind to make changes, u dont need do anything rational. You can start from your church or mosque, whichever you attend, greet people, your colleague at work, relate with them, you can even visit them in their houses, the truth is, many people are lonely in this world, most only pretend,

Nope. Op is different from "many people". He has a very complex personality challenge, one you need to have experienced or observed closely to even have an idea what he is talking about. If he goes on a greeting spree he will find people find him obnoxious. If he visits he will be received with strange looks - he simply doesn't know how to do these "simple" things.

Image123:
@OP
Believe it, what you need is Jesus. He's the One that truly satisfies. That can give you water and you'll never thirst again. As you seen/said, life achievement is vanity. No matter the goal one sets in life, after it what next? You, we're all created for God. No one can be truly fulfilled outside God. I read of Soyinka the other day and it all brings to fore how we ought to seek God, if perhaps we might find Him.
You can find God by inviting Jesus into your life in a simple even short prayer. Jesus loves you, and He's the Friend closer than a brother. The best Friend.

This is hilarious!

Pastor Kun:
I think you need to get married

This may sound like a piece of advice from a grand old soothsayer in a precolonial African society but it can help in more ways than anyone can imagine if he marries the right person.

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it can help in more ways than anyone can imagine if he marries the right person.

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lastpage:
I also wonder, that they dont participate in "conflict/war or any kind", how would an "utopian society" be, if it were fully made up of J.W's? No Libya, No Iraq, No Somalia, No Kosovo, No Cold war, No Afghanistan, No Boko haram or OPC or MEND, (closer home), e.t.c

I wrote something related to that here.

morpheus24:
Until they settle their differences and start resolving real issues that are outside the realm of religion., They will continue to recieve handouts and see their children die.

I think what they need to do is pretty clear. The problem is how. Can these starving folks help themselves? No. At least, I don’t know how. That is why I am pessimistic.  Drought is a constant phenomenon in that region, almost like earthquake in Japan. It comes around every few years or so. Yet these people were normally able to feed themselves for the most part. But for a major draught like this one, communal action is required. That is where the collapse of the state in Somalia has played its role in reducing the people to this.

morpheus24: The value of life in Africa is viewed cheaper by Africans than by non Africans. Thats a fact.

Sadly right.

[quote author=aloy-emeka link=topic=722419.msg8817557#msg8817557 date=1311976802]Somalia has been that way. As a kid growing up in Nigeria, I saw thousands of them on our streets begging for alms and they are still there today doing the same thing.[/quote]There are “thousands” of Nigerian, Chadian and Mauritanian beggars in your street. That is fairly constant in Africa. What we have here is an emergency famine situation.

donspony:
Isn't the country almost entirely homogeneous with 85-90% somalis and 99% muslims

The normal divisions of “tribe” and “religion” do not suffice when you try to explain Somalia. Here you talk of clans. These clans were autonomous and the concept of a central state authority introduced by the colonial people was always like pouring oil on water. It is the fact that these clans are too powerful, functional and statelike that has made it possible for Somalia to remain stateless since 1991. If Somalia is to have a central government again I think they should consider the Swiss type of arrangement with everything spelt out in the constitution. That way you won’t have a Siad Barre allocating governemnt posts to members of his clan and alienating the other clans. But to do that you need to sit down and talk and the leaders of southern Somalia don’t seem ready for this. Besides, the Islamists, particularly Al-Shabab, the ones who are preventing food aid from reaching starving people, do not seem ready to talk to anyone.

A possible alternative to conferacy is a return to the is the traditional African strong man. Maybe if they had someone like Gadaffi (you have to give characters like that their due!), Eyadema, Kagame, Moi, or Melles. But even that will fail if the strong man is not sensible or paternalistic enough to manage the volatile issue of clan-based loyalties. General Barre failed in this.

You are probably talking about Ethiopia. Somalia was not always like this, well not this bad, until 1991 when you first probably saw such pictures from that country . There will always be common people who cannot help themselves, either to solve their own problems or get rid of bad leaders. They've been trying to do it in Libya for months, look where it's got them. No, the Somalis can't get themselves out of this fate for now or in the few years to come.

Ohmygod!

pendo89:
If you want to help team up with redcross.They are the best.

http://www.icrc.org/eng/donations/index.jsp

morpheus24:
The issue here is not FDI capital inflow in the acquisition of land and leases but the terms of contract and negotiation.

What does Africa get out of the deal? If it involves a transfer of technology and modernization of the agricultural sector then I am all for it.

It is incumbent on the African leaders to device a strategy to leverage the inflow of this expertise, knowledge and capital.

A case in point is China who upon allowing several manufacturing bases settle in their country per cheap sources of labor, have been able to duplicate the technology these transfers bring with them and in the long term are net beneficiaries of this exchange.

I share your views but unfortunately that is not what is happening. What we have here is a case of our leaders selling us all over again for a mess of porridge. There have already been horror stories form Sierra Leone to Tanzania of villagers losing their lands without adequate (sometimes, without any) compensation. The Africans are employed to till the land and whatever comes off it is exported. Maybe there will be technology transfer but nothing so far gives me reason to be sanguine.

1stCitizen:
Please note: Participating in politics is not just aspiring for elective position but being active in deciding those elected to govern you and provide the basic amenities you enjoy.

IT IS WRONG NOT TO PARTICIPATE[b](Being patriotic, supporting a candidate or voting) [/b] NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE EXCEPT YOU DO NOT PLAN TO ENJOY WHAT POLITICS BRINGS LIKE GOOD ROADS etc

Participating in politics, whether by voting or being voted for, is a matter of choice. It is your right and no one forces you to exercise your rights, just as no one forces you to take water from the public tap. This is recognised by all liberal democratic constitutions. And it is also commonsensical -  you can't force me to participate in any form of association against my will. But this choice should be exercised freely at the individual level. So the only problem with the JW case is that a central authority has decreed that members should not participate in politics and so ALL members do not. That is wrong.