₦airaland Forum

JeSoul:
You need to calm down and stop pounding the keyboard. There's no need for insults or 'flexing' your 'knowledge' over others, we already established that you are by far smarter and more knowledgeable than anyone else here. No one can take that title from you so have no fears. And btw, pls produce the quote of 'that nlder' that said I have no knowledge of history - it was you. Same tactic you use whenever someone dares to disagree with you.

Yes. You disagree with a conspiracy theorist at the risk being labelled unintelligent and incapable of seeing what "they" are trying to hide from you. During the Haiti earthquake someone came to Nairaland to let us in on the fact it was the US that caused the earthquake so that their military can move into Haiti, occupy the country and begin stealing its oil. Anyone who disagreed with that was dumb.

JeSoul: MyJoe, I think you're looking for trouble!

Not really. He made a jibe about issues I don't understand, so I had to state the fact for him. I actually came into this thread to pick the mind of the Congolese chap on some issues, but this guy had to dive at my post, quoting it and throwing his kaleidoscopic conjectures at it, thereby succeeding in forcing me to waste time responding to him.

cap28:
how come you have suddenly found your voice?

I posed a series of questions to you yesterday and you failed to respond to any of them - now you come back with this lame response, is this how you deal with issues that you do not understand?

Series of questions? What were they again? Anyway, I might start answering and discussing with you when I learn how to. I have not suddenly found my voice. I was responding to something JeSoul said. I do engage in serious exchanges on this forum as you will find if you check. But with some people there is just no point. Not when you create scenarios inside the recesses of your mind and begin to use them as basis for analysis. Not when you challenge my refusal to belief a positive by attacking a negative and demanding that I give credible reasons for believing that Cap28 was [b]not [/b]born in France.

You ask who is arming Congolese fighters, for instance, implying that the US is doing so but can't give a shred of evidence to back this up. You conjured it in your mind, so people should just believe it. Or perhaps you also read it from some "globalresearch" website. Anyone refusing to agree with this is an "uninformed African" or is not understanding. Conspiracy theorists are a strange breed of people!

Edit:
Oh, I have a far better understanding of issues in the Congo than you do.

chefmerbel:
Beans does not only cause heart burn; it causes flatulence(meaning very smelly fart and stomach cramps) so i cook my beans as follows;

boil the beans for 2mins; turn off the heat and leave it to soak for 1hour. or better still, boil for 2mins; drain off the water pour in another boiling water and soak for 1hour; drain it and cook in fresh water till done. fry other ingredients like onions, tomatoes, tomato paste, red pepper, crayfish adding salt, maggi, garlic and thyme. Then combine it with the cooked beans, mix well and cover so that the flavour will combine well.
my beans is always a favourite. give it a go.
you can add, flaked fish like tuna or mackrel or even shredded chicken, beef anything you like.
sometimes i add only vegetables and its nice and more healthy.
let me know how it goes, happy cooking

The procedure you have listed WILL NOT solve the problem of flatulence. Beans belongs to the category of food that get sour; that is, attract bacteria, activity easily. Egusi and okro soups belong to the list. The way to stop yourself gassing when you eat beans is simple really: eat it hot. If you take your beans from the fire, I guarantee you 100% that you will not gas, even if you eat one bucket of it. If you don't like hot food, it becomes a bit difficult but you can still greatly minimise the problem by eating it immediately it gets cool from the fire.

deltalife:
beans still borns my heart. even after all I have applied the formulars.

I assume you are in Nigeria.

1. Try the white beans from up north, the one commonly sold in markets, instead of the brownish type popular among South Westerners.
2. Keep stuff like tomatoes and garlic out of your beans - these only increase the acid content of the stuff which worsens the problem. Onions, too. Yes, onions.
3. Don't eat your beans at night. Eat them in the daytime and remain in an upright position; that is, don't lie down.
4. Don't consume too much beans - if you like to too fill your tommy, reserve it for the rice occasions.
5. If you like to add things to your beans, pick them carefully. Fish is good, for instance, but boil it, don't fry it. Vegetables are fine.

If the problem persists after you have tried the above, you may have to try de-shelling; that is, removing the stuff around the beans before cooking like they do when making moi moi.

Or you may be suffering from some kind of acid reflux.

JeSoul:
This is disturbing logic. Very disturbing logic.

The US over history has had a hand in contributing to the destabilization of the region - true. Did the US also order and force those poor excuses of men to pull out the diseased thing hanging btw their cursed legs and force it into defenseless women and girls? [size=14pt]When the heck are you going to hold the people who actually commit these atrocities responsible for their own actions? [/size]

No time. Why blame them when it was the US that supposedly ordered the man who ordered the man who order them to ra.pe those poor women? Our friend seriously believes the US Treasury or the CIA has been giving money to Kabila and Bemba and Onusumba and Nkunda and the other satanic warlords ruining Congo to do so. Once you have this belief, you stop thinking as nothing really matters. It is impossible to reason with you since you don't need any reasons to believe what you. How do you set about convincing a man whose dog is missing to look for it when he believes firmly that the Calabar taxi driver who drove his wife from the airport one month earlier and "eyed the dog one kin" must have returned last night to snatch the dog? Or that mosquitoes cause malaria and malaria kills people when he is sure that the elderly woman who lives nearby must have used witchcraft to kill his baby? Or someone who believes that a report is false because it is on BBC or CNN but true because it is on Press TV or some Russian website nobody has ever heard of?

^^^ I disagree with your basic line of argument, but I am not getting into it with you. Thank you.

RWilliams:
But I am glad they are doing their best slowly but surely of getting out of “Babylon the Great”, by removing themselves from here “spiritistic practices” that are misleading the entire inhabited earth.

What is “spiritistic”? Christmas? Birthdays? Why do you seriously think – and where in the Bible or anywhere else did God tell you - that God would be angry with me for having a good time on a set date just because some nasty oba who lived 3500 years ago did something really nasty on the same date? No, really, why? Do you know the origin of the wedding ring, which you probably wear if you are married? What do you know about the origin of wedding anniversaries, which Watchtower has not yet annulled? How do you know the origin of the labels on your designer clothes were not “spiritistic”?

RWilliams: They show the love Jesus said would indentify his true followers on a world- wide scale, refusing to take up arms against their brothers, or their enemies, even in the face of death.

Permit me to borrow a leaf from one of the famous posters in this section by quoting myself:

It is true Witnesses refuse to kill their neighbours in war, which is commendable. Many of them have also refused to betray their brothers. But, you see, it doesn’t end there. For one thing, fighting in war is not always a bad thing. In fact, it is sometimes the right thing to do. I, for instance, am totally against violence. But I do recognise, like the non-violent George Orwell also did, that the reason I sleep peacefully on my bed at night is because someone stands outside ready to do violence on my behalf. Do you know what would have happened if brave men and women had not offered up their lives to stop the Third Reich? Hitler would have taken over the world (God forbid!) and (1) all the Jews and Slavs in the world would have been exterminated (2) All the blacks in the world would have been sent to labour camps (3) All homosexuals, the mentally ill and other “impurities” would have been exterminated (4) All the JWs in the world would have been sent to labour camps.

But the above would mean nothing to you. You believe it was Jehovah who stopped the Third Reich so your preaching work can continue, not the people of the world led by the UK, the US and Russia. It appears you Witnesses live in a world of your own, following your perverse interpretation of “you are no part of the world.” Which is why a Witness almost invariably manifests a childlike refusal to deal appropriately with the complexities of the world around him. Pain, disease and misgovernance are of Satan’s world – no need to do anything since Armageddon, which is around the corner, will end it all. So everybody, forward march to Armageddon! A Witness will never speak out against injustice except when it is directly targeted at his preaching work. But you know the result of this, friend? Injustice within your Organisation is also not dealt with!

RWilliams: They are doing the will of God that Jesus urged his followers to do on a scale unprecedented “preaching the good news of Gods kingdom”

I won’t quote myself here, but I addressed this earlier. There is nothing unique about your preaching – almost every religion does it. Where you get confused is equating preaching with house to house preaching. There is no proof that this method of preaching is most effective, nor is there any biblical reason to believe that Jesus used it. Earlier, I showed you figures proving that methods adopted by other churches may be far more effective than yours.

RWilliams: They are sticking to the moral principles outlined for Christians instead of turning a blind eye to the things mentioned in the bible that Christians should stay clear of, whilst many other religions just turn a blind eye to it.

This is highly subjective, Mr Williams, and if I were you I would not bring it up. I mean, your church can easily be accused of “turning a blind eye”. It is widely known that The Watchtower Society has paid out millions of dollars in settlement of child abuse cases involving responsible members of the church, in order to avoid exposure of what many consider to be cover-ups. While I don’t believe that your church’s child molestation problems are worse what obtains anywhere else, there are many people who believe that the current methods of handling this matter, as set out in the elders’ manual, Pay Attention to Yourself and to Your Teaching, is not helpful.  You may wish to research this matter.
There are people in all religious who “stick to moral principles” and there are a lot of bad people too. The fact your church expels erring members and subject them to considerable humiliation does not change anything. There are other churches that do similar things. There are some that use more humane methods of correcting. And, of course, there are many churches that don’t care at all.

RWilliams: There will probably many things in the future they will gain a better understanding of, that is bound to happen with the progressive search for truth, but at least the JW’s are progressive, instead of standing on tradition to things clearly wrong.

It is my personal opinion that they are not progressive at all. In fact, I wonder how you can say they are progressive. They are stuck in their old ways, refusing to admit mistakes and carry out a badly-needed reexamination of their teaching, from A to Z. Shifting the dates of Jesus’ coming is brought about, not by rational progression, but because Jesus has constantly refused to show up on the advertised dates. Seems he won’t be pushed by anyone. (Read Jeremiah 14,14)

Let me reiterate that I have nothing against your church any more than I have against any other. I am merely trying to help you see the obvious fact that it is more like every religion – a group of people searching for God and believing they have found him. And your leadership are not the channel God is using – far from it. Their willingness to preach the idea that one of these days God’s angels will pass through this way and slaughter everyone, except members of the Jehovah’s Witnesses faith, only shows the size of their mind.

Thought I was done with this thread, but I need to correct this false impression about the Proclaimers book, much of which I have read, being a credible source of information.

RWilliams:
Another few earthquakes and a Tsunami in the last few months, floods, tornados, weather extremes everywhere.  You know it has all happened before,

What, then, is your point?

RWilliams: but I think the bible will prove true,

You mean your interpretation of it. Substitution of words – “the truth” for our religion, “the Bible” for our doctrine or our interpretation of the Bible, etc – is a tool of mind manipulation. Beware!

RWilliams: and as we go deeper into the last days even the sceptics will have to admit that these things are taking place more and more.

That is the problem – they are not. Anyone who is not too lazy and is just following Awake! along knows that. Some things are getting worse. Others are improving. That is how things have always been for the most part. Stop catastrophising. I’m not saying the world is not ending soon – who am I to say? All I am trying to show you is the rather obvious fact that 1914 as the end or beginning of the last days is a piece of pure fiction.

RWilliams: Even WHO recently announced we are on the edge of a "post anti-biotic era" pestilence may not be too far away on a scale we don’t want to even think about.

Yes, the spectre of an explosion in the number of superbugs which don’t’ respond to medicine have been the worst fear of the medical science community for quite a while. We are not there yet, but let’s assume that by 2014 there are several of these superbugs which are not susceptible to anti-biotics, will that be proof that pestilence, worse than pre-1914, has come? Well, let me remind you and the writers of Awake! that tyrothricin, the first anti-biotic to be used successfully on human ailments, was invented in 1939, 25 years into the period your people claim as the time of pestilence. Yes, there are now strains of tuberculosis that are resistant to treatments, but I will remind you that streptomycin, first used to the treat TB, did not come until 1944. And do you really know how many diseases have been wiped off the surface of the earth over the past 50 years? Do you know that leprosy, so famous in the Bible, has been almost completely wiped out in Europe? Do you know how many babies died at birth 100 years ago and how many die now? I am convinced some of you Awakers will be gloomy when a HIV vaccine arrives on the scene a few years from now!

I think there are only three kinds of people who can say diseases are worse today than they were 100 years ago: (1) those who are intellectually dishonest (2) whose who who are amnesic (3) those who read it in Awake! and, believing its writers are “spirit-directed”, accept everything it says without formulating questions from their own intellectual processes.

I will not suggest that mankind is beyond the possibility of pestilence such as “we don’t even want to even think about” – we are not that advanced yet - but I am certain there will be nothing that will surpass what happened in the past. And that is no idle certainty. Do you know why the recent SARS (the no-more-kissing disease) and the bird flu scare did not kill many people? Because we know things today we didn’t 100 years ago.

RWilliams: Thankfully, everyone who knows what the bible says will realise what is happening and will be able to "lift their heads erect" because they know their deliverance is getting near.

You mean your interpretation of it.

RWilliams: Who knows how bad it will get or where we are into "the last days" we all tend to rush things as short life-spanned humans, but in reality even a century is a very short time.

How convenient. In another 500 years – unless a team of reform-minded, radical, young Turks – make it into your Governing Body – your organization will still be telling you that.

RWilliams: The questions posed a few threads back are easily answered.

But you haven’t.

RWilliams: You can read all about the things that JW used to believe in their own "Proclaimers" book, here's a few more
• They used to celebrate Christmas, a celebration that mixed false dates of Christs birth with pagan festivals (sounds a bit like the golden calf in Aaron and Moses time,  lets worship god using pagan ideas,  he really likes that, not to mention the commercialisation of something supposedly religious. I seem to remember Jesus getting very angry about something similar)
• They used to celebrate Easter, mixing fertility gods/ esses from several pagan belief systems with the death of Jesus
• They used to venerate the cross, a pagan symbol of the god Tammuz, also tied in with hot cross buns used in the above pagan celebrations. Quite interesting when you research it!
• Russel Dabbled in Pyramidology
I could go on, there are lots of things they have changed, and they probably have been a bit overzealous of being ‘on the watch’

I once chanced upon this video in which a guy was teaching the techniques of “toasting” a woman. One thing he said that stuck in my mind was, “don’t make yourself look perfect”. But he admonished that you should carefully select what negative stuff you reveal about yourself, so that the really dirty stuff can be hidden. And the great instructor then gave us an example. “You could say something like this: ‘I don’t floss as often as I should,’ or …” and he made one other silly suggestion I can’t recall.

Information management. You let out enough stuff to let “them” think they have it, while keeping back the really disturbing truths. Half-truths, subterfuge, distortion of facts, etc. It was something the Russians perfected during the Cold War. It is a technique used in that Proclaimers’ Book.
For example, here is the portion of the book which admits Russell dabbled in pyramidology:
“For some 35 years, Pastor Russell thought that the Great Pyramid of Gizeh was God’s stone witness, corroborating Biblical time periods. (Isa. 19:19) But Jehovah’s Witnesses have abandoned the idea that an Egyptian pyramid has anything to do with true worship. (See “Watchtower” issues of November 15 and December 1, 1928)”

What the above does not tell you are:
1. While Russell originally got the 1914 doctrine, in its totality, from the Second Adventists, he got his confirmation from (i) measurements taken of some of these pyramids, and (ii) measurements taken of the distance between the US cities of New York and Pennsylvania. 607, of course, was thrown in later.
2. Not only Russell, but Rutherford, your church’s second president, also believed in the pyramids, before he later changed his mind about them, calling “of Satan”.

People who are not thoroughly familiar with your teachings will not realise the seriousness of the situation here, but you do – or you should. The doctrine on which is rooted your church’s claim to divine selection (1918 inspection), as well as all the talk about Jesus’ presence, was based on Russell’s pyramids, and all your book says is “Pastor Russell thought…”

Another classic example is “Beth Sarim”, a mansion that was built by Rutherford in San Diego, California, to house Abraham, Isaac and the prophets who he said would be resurrected to earth in 1925. He later moved into the house and bought a car to drive the prophets around once they showed up. After his death house was sold by the church to cover the embarrassment of it all. But how does your Proclaimers book present this matter? Read it.

If I were a history teacher at a faculty, I would make the Proclaimers’ book compulsory reading for my students under “hagiography”. For that is the conclusion anyone that knows anything about Rutherford years will come with away after reading the Rutherford years presented in that book. That book does its spin job at the level of CNN most times, but on occasions it degenerates to that of Press TV. Between the Proclaimers’ book and the Evolution book, I'm not sure which is the most discredited JW book among unbiased critics.

cap28:
really?
so can you explain why a UN report written in 2002 concluded that 85 multinationals were faciliitating the plunder of the DRC's mineral wealth :

So if Western companies plunder a country, it follows that Western governments are clandestinely sponsoring every coup that happens in that country. The Somali piracy problem was brought about by problems created by illegal fishing trawlers which came from Asia to plunder Somali marine resources. Therefore the Chinese government is responsible for ruining Somali and handing the world a piracy problem. That how you see it? Carry go!

Anyway , I am not getting into this. (But I’m taken aback you can’t see the context in which “Cold War” appears in that post). Only facts, to me, qualify and should form the basis for analysis, not wild hypotheses and conjectures. That quote from the The Guardian is a concise piece of FACT and it is also true 100%. Nothing I said in my post remotely contradicted it. As for the other quote from… er, globalresearch, oh, well… My only surprise is that you expect me to take "globalresearch" seriously.

cap28:
Well most well informed africans beg to differ, to my mind Joseph Kabila is only where he is today because of Kagame and his rwandan troops,  Joseph Kabila is also related to another senior Rwandan mitary man James Kabarebe who was instrumental in assisting Joseph Kabila's rise to power,  both Kaberebe and Kagame are said to have groomed Joseph Kabila and im sure he wouldnt want to bite the fingers that placed him in power.
Kagame continues to receive millions of dollars in military aid from the US.

How do I qualify for this exclusive club of Africans? By believing things without a credible reason to do so? Interesting. Anyway, what I’m interested in in this thread is why Eddy thinks Kagame and Kabila are an item. There is usually no point arguing with those who think white people are constantly trying to destroy us.

Edit:
Oh, it seems you mistook my “The US and Belgium have played…” to mean just anyone from those countries, hence your quote about the well-known fact that there are Western companies[b] collaborating with Congolese warlords and politicians[/b] to plunder Africa's richest country. No, I meant their governments since that is what Eddy was referring to as working with Kagame and Museveni to run things in the DRC.

eddy1977:
Laurent kabila was a young disciple of patrice lumumba the man who gave his life for the independance of the congo.
when mobutu killed lumumba in 1961 with the help of the usa and belgium (lumumba was dipped in acid), kabila started a 30 year old rebellion to avenge lumumba. kabila had the support of china and cuba ( che guevarra), but because mobutu was heavily armed by the wedt, kabila was unsuccesful.

the kabila rebellion was in the kivu province (east).
there,he made friends with the tutsis who wanted to oust the hutus's regime in rwanda,burundi and uganda.

one of kabila's ally was christophe kanambe, a tutsi from rwanda and the biological father of the current president of the congo (joseph kabila).

christophe kanambe had troubles with kabila and decided to partner with mobutu and kill kabila.but kabila was very smart and found out the plot,and killed christophe kanambe. he also took kanambe's wife  ( mrs sifa mahanya) and her three kids: hyppolite ( now know as joseph kabila), jaynet and zoe.all three being biological children of late christophe kanambe.

its amazing that until this day,president joseph kabila's legal signature reads: hyppolite kanambe.

in 1994 when president juvenal habyarimana of rwanda was killed by the troops of general paul kagame with the help of the ugandan dictator/president yoweri kaguta museveni,the tustis finaly realised the century long dream of ruling rwanda.but the hutus wanted to avenge the death of their brother and president juvenal habyarimana.this how for 100 days,the world witnessed the genocide of tutsis.

when paul kagame was able to defeat the hutus, they fled to our country.the congo.

i remember how these hutus invaded our country with their guns,money,vehicles etc,

kagame wanted to pursue the hutus inside the congo,but he couldnt because of mobutu. so,he had to find one of mobutu's ennemy to do the job.

who was the man ?  laurent kabila.

kabila and kagame were introduced by yoweri museveni.

the mistake kabila made will cost us dearly. kabila kicked mobutu out.but not mobutu alone.his army and their troops fled the congo as well. now kabila became president without our own army.his army was made of rwandan and ugandan troops.

when kabila decided to send the rwandan army back to rwanda,they refused to leave the country.

paul kagame had to kill kabila. so he knew that joseph kabila the adopted son of laurent kabila was the man for the job.

remember,laurent kabila had killed joseph's dad years ago.

who killed kabila senior? the friends of joseph kabila.

after the death of laurent kabila,there was an assassination case opened.but a month after that,the judges who were suppposed to try the suspects were fired by joseph kabila and within a few weeks they dissappeared. we then heard that there was a breaking at the makala prison and that the two suspects who were kept for the assassination of laurent kabila had escaped.

its messed up. we just pray that by november, mr etienne tahisekedi will defeat joseph kabila

Much of this is believable for two reasons:
1. The mystery surrounding the death of Laurent Kabila, in spite of the fact some people were tried and sentenced to death.
2. Kagame's well-known ruthlessness. (Of course, I have always believed he killed Habyarimana - which makes him vicariously liable for the genocide. Maybe one day when he is out of power that French Judge will have his way.)

eddy1977:
yes, its very appalling to witness what the west with the complicity of their two puppets,kagame and museveni  are doing to the hinoncent people of the congo.

laurent kabila was a wonderful man who was assassinated because he refused to sell his country to the west.

rwanda has been governing the congo since 1997.

when laurent kabila came to power, who were his ministers? all the rwandan politicians like, deo bugera,bizima karah,james kaberebe and the list is long.
today these same guys who were respectively vice president,foreign affairs minister and major general of the congolese army are all ministers in rwanda.

joseph kabila is just a toy boy of paul kagame. i have a feeling that he will win the next elections.

if you do some researches on general laurent nkunda batware,you will cry.this guy started a bloody rebellion that claimed millions of lives in eastern congo.his associate and accomplice in this was bosco ntanganda.
laurent nkunda now lives as a free man in rwanda.joseph kabila has made bosco ntanganda one of the top generals of the congolese army.


what kills me is the silence of the entire world.

I disagree with much of this. Kagame and Joseph Kabila may have killed the senior Kabila (I don't know this for a fact, but your story is credible like I said) but they have since fallen out. It seems they can't agree on how to work together. The US and Belgium have played a big role in Congo's crises throughout the years, but nowadays their roles are much reduced or non-existent. The problem with most conspiracy theorists is they don't realise the Cold War is over (or they don't know what that means) and the US and co have pretty much left the third world countries to stew in their juices. There is no reason to believe that the US is ordering Kagame to order Joseph Kabila around. None. The "silence of the entire world" that you speak of is real. Nobody is interested in the Congo's problems, including those who played significant roles in messing up the country like the USA and Belgium. I think the biggest problem of the Congo today is Joseph Kabila's incompetence, aptly described by Kagame as "weak leadership".

I also don't agree with your view that Laurent Kabila was a wonderful man, but that's a matter for another day. Che Guevara who once fought alongside him certainly didn't consider him a wonderful man, either.

Tshisekedi winning? I doubt it.

[quote author=Missy ★ B link=topic=657329.msg8236460#msg8236460 date=1304198323]If I'm not wrong, there are no proven disadvantages of it on human health, yet. I'd say people should stay off it until it's proven that GMF/O is or isn't harmful to human health.[/quote]You are not wrong. The American government insists it is okay to eat them and this is not something they are producing and dumping on poor third worlders. Those championing GM foods are eating them and feeding them to their children. There are probably no harm to eating GM foods. The Europeans, who are at the forefront of opposition to them, don't have any proofs they are harmful, but they can afford the luxury of rejecting them. Not everyone can. At the rate the world's population is growing it is only a matter of time before they are is universally accepted, particularly with increases in global warming-inspired droughts in Africa and other places.

[quote author=Idi-Amin link=topic=657329.msg8255515#msg8255515 date=1304485830]I also think Oyinbo made food is seen as 'posh' in Nigeria. instead of buying food from farmers back home, you will see them at London Heathrow with 5 suitcases filled with processed, packaged foods that obviously contain GM components, and they go home posing with foreign food.[/quote]Right. Our people now buy imported fruits from the supermarkets rather than go to our farmers. Go to Lagos and see how people queue up at Shoprite to buy bloodless chicken imported from South Africa, rather than fresh chickens sold all over the place.

@op
I don't know how much Nigerians know about GMOs. Back in 2002, it became a hot issue in Southern Africa when those countries were suffering from drought and famine and refused to accept American food aid which were based on GMOs. They feared having their seed banks contaminated which would prevent them from exporting food to EU countries. I doubt Nigeria exports food to EU countries, so GM food may slip into Nigeria without anyone bothering, particularly if the government has no policy in place. I doubt they do.

And I think it would be too hasty to attribute the rising cases of cancer to GM food.

kodewrita:
@Yes they are more credible, why?

They are not owned by the government. They may be sympathetic, biased(to the point of insanity) but they are independent. Putin more or less owns RT.

You my friend need to clean your glasses and get out of the marxist library.

I dont believe CNN either but the video I saw was without commentary and the Libyan official in question kept stammering without giving a cogent reply.

At least CNN makes a better attempt at being objective even though they are definitely not by any long shot. BBC is still much more objective.


Africans need to move beyond the independence struggle mentality and the cold war.

Marxism failed.
There is no West.
We are our greatest enemies (generator importers killing power, road contractors deliberately creating bad roads, ministers of petroleum practising illegal bunkering, governors funding terrorism/assassinations and of course africans supporting tyranny).

Stop supporting tyranny and despotism on our continent.

Its support like yours that keeps us in the dark ages.

I'd love to kiss you, but since you are not female, here is a bottle of beer

Dry garri is highly acidic. When you put the garri in room temperature water, it loses much of its acid. When you put it in hot water, as in eba, it loses almost all its acid. The obvious implication is that if you have no stomach complications, dry garri is fine, but you should cut down on it to reduce your risk of developing such complications. But if you already have stomach complications, such as ulcer, you may be digging your grave already. Stop immediately!

odiaero: @Op, I eat along with meats, it is only does who have one meat   in the food that do wait to eat the meat last

Not necessarily.

I think the possible reasons are:

1. Habit: Someone who grew up in a "traditional" home back in the days when in the evening everyone dipped their hand into the same bowl may carry it as a habit into his adulthood. You know in that sort of arrangement you finish the food before the meat is then "shared" out to everyone by "baba".

2. Concentration or order: Some people have such a sense of order that they may subconsciously carry it over to anything they do. (Read a short story titled "Broken Routine" by Frederick Forsyth to get the sense of the kind of person I am talking about). So he may like to finish his eba, drain the soup, before proceeding meticulously to his meat.

3.  Value: Some may value their meat so much and believe the best is to be reserved for the last.

4.  Appetite: Some people lose appetite if they pause, for any reason, while eating the main course. This happens to me.

The fourth reason is important if you belch frequently.
4.  Stomach order: If you suffer from any gastrointestinal disorder or find you belch frequently after eating, it may be a good idea to start paying attention to how you eat. I would suggest that if it is convenient, you eat your main meal at one go, then eat your meat, before drinking any water. This is because pausing in between your meal to spend a considerable time battling a piece of "kanda", chewing away at meat, or gulping water may increase your chances of belching.

ezeagu:
Make Nigeria like Zimbabwe and Libya now, go and find a good dictator.

Lol

Oh, I see you were talking about Jonathan's campaign promises! Well, all that's just hot breeze. I was talking about his concrete plans, like the power road map.

If you say Buhari has condemned the violence, I assume you got it from a reliable source. Because right on my desk right now are several of today's papers. The Guardian, for instance, reports that the PDP, ACN, CAN, ACF, Atiku and Utomi and calling for an end to the violence. I am trying to locate Buhari's calls in the papers without success. It is possible, of course, that it is there and I am yet to find it, or the paper that carries it is not here - after all, not every single Nigerian newspaper is here. As of 11pm last night I heard some newsreader saying on the BBC that Buhari has refused to call for an end to the violence. Meaning that if he had made any such calls more than 24 hours after the riots started, it was not loud enough for the BBC to pick up. Maybe something's not adding up there.

Yeah, heard Joagbaje now routinely wakes up dead people! I laughed when I saw thread. Hopefully I will be logging on there soon.

Have not been logging on much nowadays and on the few occasions I do I seem to find the politics section a little more interesting than good old Religion. Should be back fully soon though.

You make a lot of valid points even though I don’t accept some of your assumptions about Mr Buhari. I also think he had good intentions, but I don’t think Nigeria changed for the better with his intervention. People justify his coup on the basis that the civil regime was corrupt and inept – all military coup makers say that. But consider that the present elections, with all its flaws, is a huge improve on the last three. What would have happened if some military buccaneer had stepped in in 2007? We would have started all over again, rather than be allowed to learn from our past mistakes and improve on them. (Pardon me if I’m sounding like one of them politicians.)

I don’t believe any Nigerian leader since independence has changed Nigeria for the better. To change Nigeria you need to build institutions – Buhari, like the rest, did no such thing. Shooting a few drug pushers and asking people to frog jump for not emptying their trashcans changes nothing. You don’t win a war against corruption using the WAI or EFCC method. Remember Governor Blagojevich of Illinois? He was indicted by the AG of his own government and impeached by the state’s congress. Remember Nixon? He was investigated and brought down by his own FBI. Build strong institutions and corruption will fall overnight! The first step in this direction is holding credible elections because it is a truly elected and accountable legislature that can hold the executive accountable. Let’s hope we have started on that route and that a Buhari will not shoot them out of power because an election is flawed or there is corruption.

My Buhari apprehension stems from the fact that the mindset of the tyrant of 1983 has not changed one bit. Buhari’s utterances reveal a one-track mind who does not grasp the basics of a complex society like ours. A one-track mind guy can break up that country.

A call by Mr Buhari for calm at this time would be replayed and amplified by Radio Nigeria and others. I have not heard any. I guess the possibility he has made such calls and the media have not reported them or they have reported them and I haven’t heard them can’t be completely ruled out. But you will probably understand when I say I won’t bet he has made such calls. And I would think there have been no riots in Katsina because (1) Buhari won Katsina (2) Katsina has no much history of sectarian violence – it’s no Kano, Kaduna, Zaria, Bauchi or Jos.

I am not aware the power roadmap requires trillions of dollars. It’s private sector driven. I do agree with you about PDP. I am not crossing my legs and waiting for Mr Jonathan to do anything – just praying and hoping they will disappoint unbelievers like me and do something about the country for once the way they are disappointing unbelievers like me by holding an election with a semblance of freeness and fairness. Talking about Jonathan and Buhari, our political elite did not give us much choice. That is why this election made me sad.

nuclearboy:
He will NOT allow corruption - we know that. I think a lot will fall into place once JUST that is settled

I don’t believe it will. I mean, I’m not so sure that once you tackle corruption a lot will fall into place. Please read my summary of the three main presidential candidates here where I made that argument. And that is another thing I fear about Buhari – he is naïve enough to think that once you fight corruption you get it right. That is assuming, without conceding, that we do know he will not allow corruption, since there was some of it at PTF.

^^^ Yeah. I don't think much of Jonathan, either.

nuclearboy:
But the man does not bother to deny because he knows the "powers that be" know the truth but only use these lies to try to discredit him.

No, Nuclear, he can't. When lower ranking officers plot an overthrow of an elected government and a general accepts to take the reins of power, he is VERY VERY liable and it would be fruitless to try to shirk that liability.

But, of course, Buhari's blatant abuse of power during his reign as maximum ruler sealed his fate as another power hungry African dictator. Someone made a comparison between him and Obasanjo there - yeah, I believe he is far far ahead of the likes of Obasanjo in some aspects of personal integrity and discipline, but I would be apprehensive if someone like him were actually to become president of Nigeria. As I write this, Nigerians are being attacked and killed by his supporters in northern Nigeria and Mr Buhari has refused to asked for calm, even when presented with an opportunity to do so. Where is the statesman? Where is the potential president? For all their faults, that is something an Obasanjo, a Jonathan, or even an IBB, one of the worst human beings ever given birth to in this country, would not do.

This truth is that this sort of attitude defines Buhari. From selective jailing of people when he was head of state to making and using retroactive laws to execute Nigerians, from lack of accountability and lopsided execution of projects at PTF to asking his people to vote along religious lines, to say nothing about his contempt for democracy which saw his only contribution to our efforts to liberate ourselves from Abacha being serving under that government when the goggled one was killing and maiming us, Mr Buhari - let's face it - is not endowed with the qualities to lead a complex multi-religious country like Nigeria.

Beyond the above stated, what are his plans for the country - NEPA, education, water, etc. What has he said about the Niger Delta beyond his belief that since oil is inside the ground and is brought to the surface by foreign experts without local input, the people living in the area don't have much claims? He talks about corruption - how does he intend to tackle it? Does Buhari understand the issues, or does he want to be president because his friends and colleagues have been president for much longer than the 20 months he got? Is a man whose only ambition is to re-write his history the person Nigeria needs at this stage?

Mbeki:
This is a real picture my guy, you can see the GEJ Soap clearly imprinted on it

No, I can't.

I wonder what Photoshop has got to do with this. That may well be "Goodluck soap". It may also be mere pictures printed on the carton of an existing soap - like those tomato paste logos printed on matchboxes or Rothmans logo on carrier bags. This is a popular advertising practice.

Whichever of the above it is, there is nothing wrong with it on its own. The source of PDP's campaign funds and campaign funding in Nigeria generally is another matter and you can open a thread to enquire into that if you so desire.

“The greatest challenges facing this administration are to ensure electoral reform and a credible free and fair election in 2011, restore and maintain peace in the Niger Delta and most importantly make progress in the Power Sector,” the president posted on his official Facebook page on Thursday.

egift:
^^^
So he actually licensed every politician to steal? That explains the way money have disappeared from our reserve and borrowing like no tomorrow with nothing to show for it.

How does that statement copied by Kobojunkie from Mr Jonathan amount to "actually licensing ever politician to steal"?

Ujujoan:
I have been saying this (and will keep saying it) . . . Obi NEVER won the last election. The election was strategically rigged. Electorates from Nigige's stronghold were not allowed to vote. By the time they got the voting materials, it was late and half the voters have gone home!

Reminds me of how blacks were "strategically" (I like that word) disenfranchised in Florida at elections 2000, although that one was done long before voting day. Obi must be Americana!

Johns83:
This was just forwarded to my phone: Today in Kaduna PDP disbursed N1.9billion in their bid to win saturday presidential election as follows: 1. LGA returning officers N5mil each 2. LGA Admin Sec. N3mil each 3. INEC directors N3mil each 4. All DPOs N500,000 each 5. All SSS LGA N500,000 each 6. Other INEC officials N2mil The monies were disbursed at Malali and U/rimi btw 10am to 1pm by 1. Alh Hussaini Jallo 2. Alh Hamisu Mairago 3. Alh Lawal ismail 4. Alh Mukhtar Yero (Deputy Gov.) PDP have a budget of N3bil per state against saturday election. Kindly inform INEC, EFCC, PRESS and Observers. Pls use your phone to snap and record all dealings. Protect your vote. Vote Wisely

Did YOU make any effort to verify any of that? Of course, not. Did you send it to INEC and EFCC and press as advised? I believe not. You know the problem with you people? Because corruption is such a problem in Nigeria I can stand up this minute and say Johns83 collected N100m from me and everyone will believe without asking questions. Mind you, I am not saying the PDP is not capable of what you are alleging here, just saying it is irresponsible of you to be spreading information you know absolutely nothing about, much less spamming threads all over a public forum with it.

saintiyke:
I think I av lost all the respect I have for this woman

Same here. There was a time I thought the world of her.

Ujujoan:
Chei . . . this woman is getting really desperate!

So Obi lives in his mother's house abi? But he has properties outside the country . . . he has buildings all over the world . . . UK, USA, Canada, even South Africa. And this Arrow is talking about him living in his mother's house in Agulu. Chei! SMH.


Gov Obi is a man of honor abi? And yet he enriches himself with the local government funds and has refused to conduct the LG elections!

He's riding on the good will of foreign aid and has pocketed the state revenue. Every projects being carried out in Anambra is either funded through MDG or donor funds. What exactly is he doing with the state revenue? And yet he has refused to pay workers their minimum wage. While his commissioners are busy erecting mansions all over the place!

Man of honor my behind!

Madam re branding, I pity you! You have completely failed in this your venture . . . you should have looked well and asked questions before you pitch your tent with that loser. Instead, you chose to believe their lies and propaganda! Senator my foot. Mtchhhew!

Never knew the guy this much. Why did you people vote him for a second term? Just because Ojukwu once raised his hand?

Horus:
French Minister Alain Juppe justifiied the attack on the residence of the Head of State Laurent Gbagbo by the need to destroy all heavy weapons that the Ivorian military had in its possession to "protect civilians", but the bombings themselves caused about 2300 victims in Abidjan.

Source: http://www.blueteamci.com/englishversion/article.php?new=607

What, sir, does "2300 victims in Abidjan" mean?

Is it
1. 2300 killed by the French bombs?
2. 2300 killed by events in Abidjan sparked off by the bombings?
3. 2300 wounded?
4. 2300 displaced from their homes?
5. 2300 starving and at risk of malnutrition?

I read the site and trust you can see the deliberate ambiguity I see in that line that makes me ask the above questions. Especially as it is known for a fact that 2300 people have not been killed in Abidjan by any bombings and no civilian deaths from French bombs have been reported by the NGO's and human rights bodies which reported the killings in the western part of the country. You realise it is much easier to spot killings in Abidjan than those other remote places. You might realise, too, that that site you referenced has a very low reputation.

And this:

As a fan of Buhari (but wont vote for him) I must confess your article is compelling. I am fixated with the fact that Buhari is not associated with money corruption. Your argument that power corruption is equally dangerous is arguable. I believe that power corruption will go in hand with money corruption for most leaders. Rare people will have only power corruption just like Hitler. This has opened my eyes. Buhari could actually bring economic prosperity and like Hitler will go into absurd ideologies. Remember Hitler brought prosperity to Germany after the first world war. With the economy booming and hoards of men chanting 'sai Buhari', he could go into psychopath mode.
Enough said. I'm now scared!!!!!!!

NVS

Just that Buhari won't boom any economy to begin with, as he has no clue about economics. What we can expect from him is, "NEPA is not working? Nationalist it! "People are stealing at the borders? Close the border."

But, the greatest failing of the peoples living in Nigeria is the inability to realize that the main problem of Nigeria is not corruption. When a society has “meaningful options,” the incidence of corruption is low, and the chances of getting caught and convicted are high. Nigeria does not offer such meaningful options; it has actually worked very hard to restrict them, and Buhari represents one class of those who have made it so.

Predictably—and unfortunately—there is nothing coming out of the current elections that is going to change this picture.

Enough said.

It's a work of fiction written around some historical facts. Stop bothering yourself about it. Brown is well-read and he enjoys what he does. As for that Last Supper painting, you can keep looking at it for 1000 years, but that you won't be any the wiser. Someone looked up at the sky on a very dark night and saw that the stars can be constructed into shapes - that's how constellations named after hunters and birds came about. That's what  most "subliminal art" ultimately amount to. If take a good look at your ceiling tonight, you will find some shapes. Did someone put them there to show you that your ceiling is not ceiling but something else?

^^^
That's a passionate plea!

dapoola:
MyJoe,

You talk about a buffer zone created by the french in 2002, the history goes way beyond that. Let me help you out. Alassane Ouattara, who was an official of the World Bank and the IMF, was brought into the government of President Houphouet- Boigny and later made prime minister to put the economy into shape. He then became involved in a battle with Kone Bedie, who took over after the death of President Boigny in 1993. The economy, however, never regained its strength and poverty deepened as a result of a military coup in 1999, led by General Guei. Since Guei was confronted with mass resistance in the streets, he had no other choice but to call another general election.

Facts. Well known facts.

dapoola: At this time the preferred candidate of western imperialism, Ouattara,

Your article suffered a degeneration here. What did "western imperialism" or its alleged candidate do or say or do to make things clear to you? Guesswork and barroom conspiracy theories are good for your private musings and barroom talk, but only facts qualify as basis for analysis.

dapoola: was disqualified from the elections on the grounds of his alleged Burkinabi citizenship.

Yes. And did Bedie tell you he was disqualifying him because he was the candidate of "western imperialism"?

dapoola: Ouattara then took political power into his hands and tolerated very little opposition to his IMF-dictated economic reforms. This brought him into conflict with Laurent Gbagbo, who came from the Ivorian radical left.

You've lost me here. Please "help me out".

dapoola: Ouattara began his IMF-dictated privatization program with French companies as his primary clients. But these reforms quickly cost him his political power.

Huh?

dapoola: Guei, who had called an election which he then lost to Gbagbo, was forced out of power by the Ivorian masses after he insisted that his party had won the election.

Fact.

dapoola: Gbagbo won the election with the firm promise that he would throw out all IMF programs and refuse to pay the foreign debt, which he insisted has never served the interests of the Ivorian people. Shortly after his election to the presidency, he set forth his mission to reclaim the sovereignty of Côte d’Ivoire from international control.

Seriously? Ivory Coast's sovereignty was under "international control" till Gbagbo rode in on a horse from the west to save the country? It's surprising how you go from facts to conjectures.

dapoola: Among the promises he made to his people was the commitment to open expiring commercial contracts (then largely controlled by French interests) to the bidding process, and to rebuild the economy of his country. Both France and the international financial institutions saw that their interests were at stake and would not take such opposition lightly.

If you claim he was opening up the country to competitive bidding and this sparks off negative reactions from France and the "international financial institutions", do you not see a contradiction there? I mean, is the interest of "the international financial institutions" (who are always harping on opening up) and "western imperialism" tied to that of France?

dapoola: Unfortunately Laurent Gbagbo, who came to power not only by winning a general election but also through popular mass resistance against military dictatorship on an anti-imperialist program, never grounded this victory with the masses. Obviously corruption, ethnic and religious sentiment would prevent him from acheiving these noble goals.

You omitted “vaunting ambition which sees him putting self before country” from that list.

dapoola: The same french forces you say provided a buffer zone for him in 2002 were the same forces responsible for decimating the Ivoreian airforce in 2004 after Gbagbo's forces killed 9 french troops then.

Yes. When I heard about that "decimation" (destruction of the Ivorien Air Force's two war planes) I made a thumbs up sign because I knew it would bring the fighting under control. You don’t think peace keepers also deserve some peace? You think they should be slaughtered like they did Nigerian troops in the early days of Liberia? Why on earth did the Ivorien Air Force bomb the French base, other than the exuberance of children with pistols? That "decimation" was the only language those lunatics would have understood. Take your mind back to British soldiers versus the RUF in Sierra Leone. Bear in mind that save until very recently Gbagbo never really accused the French of working against him. He grouse was that they were not working for him. What he could not stand was their creating a buffer zone and staying in the middle, their neutrality.

dapoola: Becos of Gbagbo's stand on non implementation of IMF policies in the country he became an ememy of France and even the international community. Quattara on the other hand has over time proved to be a ready pawn in the hands of the IMF and by extention serves the policies of the french.

Can you provide two authentic documents, one showing Gbagbo's stance on IMF and the other Quatarra's stance on them?

dapoola: In terms of ideals and mentality the 2 leaders are the same. They would easily resort to violence to solve their differences.

That^^^ actually betrays a poor understanding of the two men. Gbagbo is driven by ambition. But he is also driven by those around him, including his powerful wife, some people in the military and business and some religious leaders. Gbagbo, a professor of history, is not the typical African "strong man" with a military background or long years in the establishment. He is not one to resort quickly to violence. But he is one to go along with his friends and will not mind violence if that is what it takes. Quatarra, the banker, certainly thrives more around air-conditioned conference room tables than where there is chaos and violence. He has never, and does not, control the New Forces. The New Forces of Guillaume Soro was formed by northern youths in a bid to defend themselves from perceived or real threats from southerners who were bent on denying them of their citizenship. Quatarra accepted them because it was convenient to do so, more out of self-preservation.

dapoola: The french know this but would rather work with the leader who is ready to serve as a pawn in the their hands to ensure his survival in this case Quatarra.

That is not supported by the facts. It seems they were prepared to work with Gbagbo when HE won an election. They looked away when he came to power in a popular uprising, hoping it would bring a closure to the troubled years of Guei. They asked no questions about the murder of Guei, whose shenanigans everyone was tired of anyway.

What you people really fail to realise in all this is that all these issues you bring up are after the fact. The only real issue here is the fact that an election was won and lost. If the people voted for a candidate of their choice, do you think it is proper for you and others to prevent him from acceding power based on a subjective assessment that he is an imperialist agent? One is only bothering to respond to these others issues you people are raising because they are lies, half-truths, hypotheses and conjectures.

@superboi
We know ethnic Poles were not killing ethnic Germans. How does the fact Hitler used made up or exaggerated stories to invade a country mean we should not act to stop objectively variable acts of mass murder?

We can talk about double standards till tomorrow but go convince those whose lives have been saved in Benghazi or the Abidjan residents who can't wait for their city to return to normal that just because Israel kills people in Gaza and no one intervenes, every dictator on earth should be given carte blanche to do the same.

Honestly, I can't figure out the sense behind these views that sovereignty should be respected when people are being slaughtered in large numbers by their leader or national army like it happened in Cambodia, Rwanda and Srebrenica.