₦airaland Forum

once you say 'boko haram' is the problem you start to fuel a big war, its time people not say anything if they aren't in power, you voted for jonatha, let him clean this up but he mustn't send his people to the north

mend at work

bisiaet:
I had said it that this man called Sanusi Lamido is nothing but a clown and a real demon in disguise. He should be remove or sack with immediate effect for even compromising establishment of Islamic Bank.

shut up, live with it or leave nigeria

lamido get overthrown, jonatha leaves

we will have our bank which acceptable to us whether you like it or not, no one is asking ignorant and narrow minded priests or their followers to use it

Odunnu:
For once i'l ask you to shut up! SHUT UP! Kai! Dont you have respect for elders? Dont you hope to ever become one in time to come? Cant you pass a message to one with a different view from yours without insults? Whats your problem?

sorry but what he said is offensive and damaging ,i don't see how it helps the country

[quote author=dem_people link=topic=689796.msg8514745#msg8514745 date=1308038033]@Namfav, those "silly priests" - according to you, are more in tune with the effects of Islamic banking. Have u ever heard of secularism? Secularism is wonderful.[/quote]in alot of states in the north you will find alot of insurance services, cash loans services etc., all haram but we don't have a fatwa for them because the cater for the southerners there, that is secularism

if they have islamic banks in england why can't we have in nigeria? what kind of fo0l is this, stoopid priets should always open their mouths about issues that don't concern them

ak47mann:
ok explain better then if you kill their citizen guy they will come for you don get it twisted ask people like gadafi after his country/man brought down a full plane in Scotland.Ask Yemen president now receiving treatment in Saudi Arabia

not making sense

i doubt its true

bulDozer:
No, it is not a political threat. It is a national tragedy of the highest bestial order. @ namfav,  do you have any sense at all?


This is nothing but another plot to make criminals relevant in national politics. Has the amnesty in the Niger - Delta worked? Shiooooo.  

i don't see how this ideology affects anywhere outside of a small region in the north anyway this can only be addressed in the north, how is it a national tragedy if the ideology does not affect the south, you have groups like mend which is a bigger threat to nigeria

boko haram should exist first before there can be talk of amnesty, you don't give an amnesty to what is believed to be an ideology shared by a small group, boko haram or whatever the media tries to make it is not a political threat

we, i personally don't really know how we can ease the suspicion quick, maybe there should be a national debate between the north and the south because some things are based on falsehood, maybe if there is a debate we can debunk some myths like northerners are illiterate/uneducated or southerners all think the same, i don't think northern and southern peoples hate each other, as you said there are suspicions but they are based on misunderstandings

which part as in state if you are talking about state in kano there is alot to experience

what a f(cked up family

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=676290.msg8436481#msg8436481 date=1306958261]You are not wrong, neither are you right.

My bro, If you've ever lived in Nigeria, attended school in Nigeria or struggled on the streets of Lagos or Kano with no access to Political or Government corruption Money or Influence, you will understand every word I typed up there.

If you have specific questions to help you out, ask and I will answer if I can.[/quote]you haven't answered the point about nigerians in the west and the civil war, how many left with the civil war, do you even have a idea of that since you spoke about migration?

Sagamite:
Are you serious?

You think getting on a plane and going to a civilised country where you have good security and your rights are respected is more risky than going (on the back of a cargo truck, fck seat belts) to some godforsaken part of Africa where the police can shoot you or armed robbers can blow your brains out on the road or as a Mai gaurd? 

What is common sense about that?

What the hell are you chatting about?

You are coming again with your conclusion by exception. Stop thinking like that.

So because a Mexican is the richest man in the world, Mexico is a better place than US to make money.

One rich man is your conclusion that the alternative education is successful?

Majority of the people that went through the alternative education system in Northern Nigeria are desolately poor. They are the poorest in Nigeria. So one exception does not justify the system.

Is the second, third, fourth . . . . . . . . .twentieth richest Nigerian/African alternatively educated?

Majority of the other richest people in Nigeria and Africa are of Western education. At least those with reasonable platform of proving their wealth.

The richest and most developed region in Nigeria, SW, is full of people with Western education. The North are the poorest because they are not westernly educated.

Go and check the largest indigenous and local arms of foreign conglomerate and see whether it is not the western educated southerners that run virtually all of them.

Go and research the top Nigerian banks, Engineering firms, law firms etc and see whether it is not the western educated that own and run them. See whether they complimented it.

Lesson: Never use exceptions to be your basis of argument.

Greece winning Euro2004 does not make them a footballing giant!

you think it is the same leaving home for the north to the south to leaving home from nigeria to the west without anything?

where did i say that a alternative education is better because of 1 person? there are many people who have an alternative education, the conclusion is that no level of education can determine your success if you have the drive simple as that, what i find funny is that you say that someone with a degree from let us say university of khartoum will not make it in nigeria, that is narrow minded and false. yes you find that in banks, etc. people with western degrees are more in higher positiions for whatever reason but then you need to know what western interests played a role in nigerias banking, we are already going to have 2 sharia'h compliant banks in nigeria soon so tell me what cambridge have to do when these are finalised (which will be very soon), many sectors in nigeria are existing because of interests from the west, that is why people with western education tends to hold higher positions but even in nigeria there will be some alternatives needed in future especially with 2 new sharia'h compliant banks in the works with the aid of cbn

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=676290.msg8429495#msg8429495 date=1306873816]You are seriously not asking this question right?

If you are older than 7 and have lived in Nigeria in the last 25 years or have families with no access to awuuf federal Oyel money, Federal contracts and Awuuf Civil service estacode money, then you will know the answer to that question.

Really? you really don't know why our people migrated enmasse in the last 3 decades?

Are you related to Sultan of Brunei?

Sagamite already answered most of these.

Let me just stress that, as a Southerner with no powerful or rich parents, It will probably be very hard for me to get a job in Nigeria or in the West with Unilag and UI degrees talk less of a degree from Al Azhar or Al Medinah, especially in the 80s and early 1990's when middle class Southerners started migrating enmasse out of Nigeria because of limited opportunities and unemployment during military rule.

Now, if my surname name was El-Rufai, Abubakar or I was related to Sultan Maccido or even Ooni of Ife, then maybe a diploma in Sweeping and Cleaning would get me a Deputy Director Job straight out of school.

Things may be changing now, with more bank and private industry jobs and increasing opportunities in Nigeria, but it was that bad.[/quote]let me know why, there are many perceptions that i have can you clear that up?

do you think it is easy to be a business person, do you think to make money in todays nigeria you have to have "connections"? how many successful business people started out after gaining a degree?, for example even when you are a politician you don't strike a ticket, somehow you need qualities to get noticed, there are many people who have those degrees that you think will take you nowhere who have done well for themselves, hahaha university does not drill common sense in you, it's only the big corporations like in the oil business, glo etc. who have i see a love for people with western degrees, but nothing stops anyone from being successful with a degree from khartoum or unilag as long as you have qualities of course

cheikh:
namfav
@namfav

Do you sincerely believe that ^^?   .  Is Nigeria the only place you have Fulani and Peuls(Mali) etc in West-Africa? I hope you realised that the majority fulani are in Guinea Conakry.  it's no big deal let alone self delusional . Take a trip to Niamey(Niger) or north Cameroons too, maybe you'll come away with a different viewpoint. If you desire wholesome Fula woman, you'll be better off going to places you'll have more choice. Their number in Nigeria is relatively insignificant and not exactly as attractive as people you are most likely to encounter in other West African countries. Trust me on that .

in most fulani clans its a hurdle to get into relationships, in fact in some clans OUTSIDE of nigeria you have to go through initiations just to be considered man enough to be in a relationship and this is just a begining of a hurdle, i find it funny that alot of guys here say the had relationships with fulani girls like its the easiest thing to do, now i am speaking from my own fulani perspective because while some culture differs from country to country and clan to clan relationship ethics are basically with the same issues,an example is that when umar farouk told his father he wanted to get into a relationship, his father laughed at that prospect obviously because some steps have to be followed, now i just wanted to tell you even for a fulani and sometimes i heard hausa it gets difficult for this boyfriend/girlfriend thing unless family talks on it, so what is revomind talking about how must his claims be believed? its nonsense as far as i am concerned

Sagamite:
Don't say that.

There are several Northerners in Lagos who are there to hustle and have families back in the North.

Majority of the Northern gatemen are alone in Lagos but have wives back in their villages.

That is no different from going to the West.

The reality is that these alternative education is inferior to Western one as it is less intellectually rigorous.

You cannot compare the capability of someone that attended Al Azhar to one that attended Stanford University or London School of Economics.

If there is nothing like quota system in Nigeria and things are simply based on merit and ability, then most of the people with these alternative education will not be able to compete.

Yes, Sanusi attended this place and is extremely intelligent (probably the most intelligent Nigerian I know of today that is not me  ), he is an exception and he attended this institution after a solid Western education grounding.

But for every Sanusi that you produce from this alternative education stream, one can produce 20 Nigerian graduates of Western stream that are successful or world leaders. Better still, they are in a competitive market, not a quota system market.

The point is that the alternative is inferior to the Western one and, on average, the graduates of the alternative are academically inferior and will struggle, in a fair competitive environment to compete academically or intellectually with the Western graduates. This is evident in the scientific and philosophical advancement and superiority that the Western educational system demonstrates.

Even going to the Arab world, they require a lot of Western trained expatriates to run things.

you cannot compare what happens within africa to what happens outside of africa in this regard, different things, leaving home to another african country is less of a risk than going outside, it's just common sense, it takes more to go outside than to stay inside

dude stop the western education thing, it can take you to a certain distance but not all the way, one cannot settle for a western education, it does not make prospects of a good future better, the richest man in africa does not have that education, it is safer to have 2 types of education in this world anyway, western education is not everything, i just realised it becomes a waste of money if you can't compliment it, western education is a mixture of many things, yes including islamic sciences (algebra, chemistry, biology etc. are all from the islamic golden age)

revomind:
Funny a** thread!

But you see I have absolutely nothing against em hausa/fulani bruvas and I do not give a rat's a** about debs and who spends the most there- Hausa govt folks or Southern fraudstas. I just want to correct auwal's fallacious yan that only hausa babes from Kaduna and Jos are liberal enuf to be on a southern bruva's d***. I got my 1st degree up north and I saw things. Pure fulani babe from katsina, father-big shot as usual, had a special liking for south-west bruvas especially. Shorty was on my **** till graduation. Beautiful babe I must say.

Namfav, kabba, murtalaa nd indeed everyone here, what y'all should know is that with the return to civilian rule, 'that' class of nigerians has increased in size and diversity. This I believe is the reason for the excessive bad blood shown by some folks up north who are by now experts in working the hapless masses. There should be absolutely no bad blood in this post.

lol a pure fulani girl who messes around with you guys, from katsina hahaha, have never heard of such, stop making things up, fulani girls are the hardest to get even for a fulani guy so share your secrets hahahahahaha rubbish

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=676290.msg8425944#msg8425944 date=1306839532]Don't be disingenuous bro, your folks down south did not drop down from Neptune, they are human beings who make rational choices like any human anywhere on earth. People don't just wake up one morning and start walking towards the border or airport without thinking, leaving family, friends and familiar things behind. Migration is not an easy decision for most human beings anywhere.

All of our people are generally family oriented and you can observe that easily, not just among people living here in Nigeria it is obvious also through the billions in remittances sent by those who live abroad.

Most of the folks who travel out do so because they see little to no economic hope where they are or believe there are better opportunities elsewhere. There are poor folks who can't even afford to move to the nearest city talkless out of the country. Economic migration has been in existence since the beginning of time. it is hardly a spur of the moment decision for most human beings.

You might think Northeners are more contented with their state in life and therefore don't travel out of desperation, but it's obvious that is not the case, a lot of our poor and desperate Northern folks can be seen in Libya, Sudan and several Arab countries too, I posted a video a month ago showing Nigerians caught up in the bombing in Mistrata Libya, many of the folks in that video are Nigerians from the north.

I think most Northern Nigerians living in the west are from comfortable and educated (western education that is) families and are therefore more westernized than the average northern poor. I think most of our less comfortable, less western economic migrants from the north tend to hustle in the middle east, North Africa, basically countries with similar religious and social customs.

Of course the rich ones from both regions can live or travel anywhere they like, money is a language and a culture on it's own, it can survive anywhere really. Ask them at Debs [/quote]i did not say all, most southerners are family orientied its in african culture, but some of them put the hustle first, sometimes you find a man going to the west leaving his family behind that will almost never happen with a northerner maybe there are rare cases but not that i heard off, the average northerner simply does not put money ahead of family

how did it become that there are many many southerners in europe, america etc.? was it after the civil war, to be honest the business of forged passports is not a northern thing someone who goes to such measures does not care about family

most northerners in the west being of a western education? the fact is many many northerners who are well off do have another education apart from a western one (most of the time and sometimes you find others who have gone to universities such as khartoum, al azhar etc.), northerners do not need a western education for guarenteed success

Sagamite:
Sorry!

If families are not rich how can they afford to send family members overseas like London and live in posh areas?

How can they afford the £2000+ pcm posh flats or family house in Marble Arch, Paddington, Bayswater, Edgware road, Finchley etc for one child that I have seen with my eyes?

Where is the money coming from considering that the average senior military/civil servant's salary and allowance cannot be more than £20K per year and majority of these kids abroad are from such families?

Even French or Spanish senior military/civil servant cannot afford to send their kids to London with such funds. How come some Nigerians (a third world country) can?

if you say so, that's just your opinon

Sagamite:
Son, you must be having a laugh!

You have been severely mislead. If it is not too late, I hope and beg you that such level should not be your aspiration.

Al Azhar is NOT one of the top universities in the world. If they did a list of top 1000 universities in the world, Al Azhar will not be anywhere near the list. You have been completely misled.

Because a university produces some few exceptions does not mean it is a top Uni.

Al Azhar will not even be able to compete with the LondonMETs and likes in the west, talkless of the top unis.

Northerners don't hustle in UK because of the high dichotomy between the rich and the poor in the North.

- The poor are too wretchedly poor and illiterate (can't speak English) to even afford to go abroad or see the point.

- And majority of the ones that are rich are kids of contractors and civil servants that can have exceptional resources to be there without working.

you won't find northerners send family overseas to only suffer it is totally rare and not because family are rich but because most of us believe that you need to atleast have enough to start somewhere else, you find some southerners that go overseas with only their bags and visa that is incosiderate, those who do not go outside are not poor and illiterate, many have things to settle home you cannot leave your home leaving it in a mess you clean your kitchen first, as i said we are family orientated, there are things that we consider and family is first unlike some individuals who put hustle first it (most not even refugees), has nothing to do with a gap between rich and poor in the north