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[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=676290.msg8422265#msg8422265 date=1306785026]Yes, Sanusi went to African International University in Khartoum after ABU I think.


BTW, @Namfav, I'm just curious, and you don't have to answer;

Do you have close family members in government? I mean in politics or maybe in top Civil Service?

Family as in Father, Mother, Uncle, or close siblings.

I ask because the few Notherners I know who go to school out of Nigeria hardly work, and they get their parents to pay their fees. Now, those parents are mostly top civil servants or Politicians, Not the same for most Sotherners that I know.

Are your parents in Private business as in Agriculture, banking e.t.c or you just work and go to school like most southerners?[/quote]thanks

Katsumoto:
Are you pursuing a correspondence or online pogram with Al Ahzar or Al Madinah if you are in North America? If you are, and you hope to be employed with such pograms, you better get your dad to set up a company in NA.

no but i will study sharia'h there one day or even in khartoum

Sagamite:
I hope you mean getting jobs in the Islamic business world and corporations.

In the grand scheme of things, such schools are not highly regarded as top schools, ones requiring intellectual rigour or ones that make you competitive against other graduates.

al azhar is one of the top university in the world, most west africans there are hausa-fulani and alot are very successful, dangote also did business studies there, unkown to universities to you like like the university of khartoum (which you may also find hausa-fulani) produce very successful people, lamido  sanusi also did his studies there if i'm not mistaken, so don't under estimate just because you don't know the institutions

Katsumoto:
Your brothers that attended 'high institutions' such as Univeristy of Buckingham can not even find work in the UK talk less of some graduates from Islamic Institutions.

Abubakar Audu's son was the only candidate in his MBA class at University of Cardiff who was awarded a diploma instead of an MBA. But I am sure he wont have any problems finding work in a top govt. institution in Nigeria.

really? thats news, here in north america i got offers and i am not even done studying but really i don't hear of hausa hustling in the uk, just saying

Sagamite:
What is Al Madinah and Al Azhar?

universites

blacklion:
Yes, there we have it. Here is an example of  Hausa-Fulani 'businessman' and 'professional' squandering money at Debenhams.

Where are the m o r o n s who were denying yesterday that the Hausa people shopping at Debenhams are the thieves and rogues?

Thank God this Mutallabist has confessed that his governor Bafarawa is among the Hausa thieves that shop at Debenhams.

What exactly does Sokoto produce for Bafarawa to be spending at Debenhams?

What does Sokoto contribute to Nigeria's GDP?

So whose money is Bafarawa squandering at Debenhams?

Federation Allocation derived from the blood money of Niger Deltans + VAT + tax revenues generated in the South.


Useless & hopeless parasites and leeches.  That region will remain the poorest and most backwards with all these Mutallbists we have here on nairaland.

in london most hausa are hard working professionals, most of them are educated from high insitutions from al madinah to al azhar so they can afford these things if want, i know some, as someone said hausa doesn't go outside to hustle, just stop the envy

damn ibo boy

emofine:
lol Inked Nerd I undertsand but that is the beauty of it as well, we will never get bored there is simply a lot to learn 

I don't see it that way, we are similar in many ways but we have seperate identities. The closest people to my family here in London (since we do no have many people from my ethnic group here apart from one lady) is Urhobo. I am older so I am no longer upset, I fully understand infact it gives me an opportunity to educate other Nigerians plus I feel a lil unique that I'm not from the major ethnics lol 

It's quite funny actually because my fathers closest friend here is an Urhobo man - in fact they both travelled to the UK from Nigeria together so basically all my life I knew the man and his family. You know in Nigeria when you know somebody for soooo long we begin to believe that they are family because when I was younger I just took him as my blood uncle, his wife as my blood aunt and his children as my blood cousins it actually took a long time for people to convince me that we are not related by blood - I was actually upset as well when it sunk in  Lol

In fact I thought the Urhobo man was Isoko because when he and my father used to sit down and talk, unbeknown to me at that age, my father was conversing with him in Isoko whilst the man respended in Urhobo so I just assumed they were both speaking Isoko. My father told me one day that they are speaking their individual languages but because they do not always understand what the other is saying they embed english lol

hmm you're in the loop, as for me not so much. To tell you the truth my family does not really affiliate themselves with other Nigerians (I don't believe it's because we are from a minority ethnic group) but we prefer to keep to ourselves - we are quite reserved actually.

how frequent is Arabic spoken in Northern Nigeria? Is it spoken more than English for example in fact how frequently is English spoken in Northern Nigeria?
Many people tell me that Hausa is the most simple language to learn in Nigeria - do you agree?

oo, that is interesting, i don't know what to make of it because i thought you would say that because you have an identity you will feel a little bit agrieved if you were mistaken for urhobo (which is a bigger identity) all the time as i heard certain people complain about something similar but i guess i am the same also, sometimes because i grew up with hausa at home, i do not feel in any way offended when i am referred to as an hausa, at home our culture was fulani and everything but grew up with the hausa language, i went to kano (from katsina) when i was young so you can imagine i lived with alot alot of hausas, but i imagine if i went back to katsina full time i can embrace my parents language more and more as i will be surrounded by mostly other fulani who fluent in fulfulde, i didn't have that luxury of settling down in 1 place with the same people

i heard that alot of communities (mainly from the south) have a tightnit community in places like london so i am surprised

it is not widely spoken or else nigeria would be in the arab league, classical arabic is understood here and there but it is far from frequently used, i think hausa is easy to learn but it depends how eager you are to learn it but it is not really too difficult

i'm rooting for mend as the perpetrators, let's see jonatha blame northerners though

kpogede77:
why is the yoruba muslim different from the Hausa fulani muslim? well, the middle belt can form a united state of southern Nigeria with us with a special MOU.But for those Christians in the north who cannot stay with their muslim brothers, they can relocate to the south. We just have to move forward, we cannot say be cos of the complex situation we will not move forward as a people.The only thing the Hausa fulani have contributed to this nation is Almajiris who are there to kill our potential scientist. They are capitalizing on the fact that it is difficult to share Nigeria on the ground of this topic but to every problem there is a good solution.By the time we share this country,they will look inward and reorientates their people. If they fail to do so let them turn the north to Afghanistan.We will live in peace with the Yoruba muslim and the northern Christian here.After all there are muslim in US.Islam is a religion at the verge of extinction b cos it is a terrorist religion. I am not under any obligation to remain a Christian, I can decide to change my religion at any time but certainly not to Islam. I would prefer to worship Ogun, shango and Indu than being a muslim.When terrorism is continually associated with a particular religion, then terrorism becomes a pronoun that qualifies that religion.Deep down their mind Islamic scholars knows this is true.My advice to them is to modify the religion or discard it completely b4 it consume even those practicing it.They kill themselves every day in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Compare them to India, you can see that India is making progress while they are combating terrorism.Southerners in the north and northern Christians, prepare to relocate b cos the force that will split Nigeria has reached its maximum point, any little addition now will explode the country.BE WISE. WATCH AND PRAY

india is 50% muslim you f00l

Obelomo:
Yoruba Names
For girls
Temilola=Mine is wealth(Lola)
Titilola=Forever wealth(lola)
Oluwaremi(Remi) God wipe my tears away(unisex name)
OluwadaraGod is Good(unisex name)

nice name

IF there is a division then the northern christian will obviously stay on (speaking of small population of the hausa christians), however the non-indigene christians[i] can also stay[/i] as there are a number who we have no problem living with, but the trouble makers especially the ones with a "we are better than you because we read english" mentality should leave, in fact they can even start leaving now

chamber2:
I still maintain that no one hates Muslims as individuals, but when a few individuals use Islam as an instrument of destruction then people will be forced to have a self imposed fear/resentment for Islam and Muslims.


Yes of course, they seem not to have taken any drastic step towards ensuring that people don't engage in violent acts in the name of Islam.Take the case of the al majiris for instance, this is a typical case of neglect and nonchalance by the Islamic religious leaders.Don't blame the society on this, most Islamic countries also have a system of religious education where the use of force is not encouraged.Who operates this al majiri style of education that have left the youths and young backward?Are the northern Islamic leaders not aware of the harm that is done on this young guys and the possible danger they impose on the society?I still consider religion as an opium of the people and religious leaders as guiders of the moral being.If they fail, the entire society have failed.In an overtly religious country like Nigeria, religious leaders have a great deal of role to play.

Hmmm, you want to know? I mean, i have been in this country for a few years now and I am yet to hear even the sound of the gun which is typical of the Nigerian society.I am yet to hear that a Muslim killed or caused trouble somewhere.The Muslims here go about their daily activities so peacefully and orderly.That is why i think our Islamic leaders have not done much to install the principles and teachings of Islam in their followers

it's no ones fault that you guys attribute the actions of certain individuals to a whole religion, you will never find us talking about christianity but you want us to stomach your comments, it's near to impossible to tell more than 10 million people to behave in a certain way towards injustice in this country, it is just impossible, if you think you can make this a muslim issue then you are just making things worse, our leaders (tribal, religious, political) are not baby sitters and no one is acting like a baby if you consider what has been going in, let the government give justice to the northerners and in the aftermath of the riots which alot of innocent northerns were tortured, killed by the authorities with direct orders from jonatha

haters gonna hate, in the meantime these shops are appeasing for hausa dollars

why the envy?

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=662177.msg8412095#msg8412095 date=1306620068]What was she singing about?

And I saw various modes of dressing and styles, do you often dress like that?[/quote]she is sing that GOD will keep all fulani together whether from mali, guinea, senegal, niger, nigeria, burkinabe, cameroon etc. that we are all 1 of the same wherever we may go

most of those clothes in the video are bororo, us we don't wear like that, but there are some (like in some in the first 20 seconds)  in the video who we wear like

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=662177.msg8411966#msg8411966 date=1306618595]Interesting. . . . I've always wondered, why do Islamic regions (no necessarily the same language) always have that high toned voice while singing?[/quote]its just the style of how our music, to tell you the truth sometimes it is the production, if you look at the other muslims like the mandinka and wolof their music does not sound like this

fulani

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emofine:
well maybe in my region there are not too many or perhaps I am not recognising them as some Nigerians say that Northerners appearacne is a little different. Well once when I was in primary school, some of us foreign students were asked to list our ethnic backgrounds. Others said Yoruba etc and when it came to me I proudly said Isoko and people where like who? I was so embarrased lol that for a long time I never told people my ethnicity I just used to say Nigeria. However once when I was 15 a Nigerian asked me which region I was from, I said Delta and he said where's that, I was shocked by his ignorance because at the very least he should have heard of MEND lol

but now I'm older I'm not really offended I understand that happens when you are from a smaller ethnic group.

lol yeah I hear that once you can speak Hausa they tend to accept you as one of their own lol I was born in Nasarawa - so that is the middle belt to be precise but I have been to Kano and Kaduna.

so you are in America? are there many Northerners there?

oh I hear that there are some similarities between Hausa and Arabic and Hausa, do you agree? can you understand Arabic because of your knowledge of Hausa?

and how similar is the Hausa language to Fula?

lol i can imagine how emebrassing that would have been, by the way don't you think that your culture is somehow being swallowed by the majority ethnic group (urhobo), i see this is very common in the south where the smaller groups are swallowed by the bigger groups, isnt that a concern to you guys (from the minorities)?

interesting, i usually go out of town, i get invited to a number of weddings, events so i tend to meet alot of northerners since, in a month or so i will go out of town to a wedding of a hausa guy, by chance i get invited to these events so i tend to be lucky and i get to get alot of contacts

yes there is some simialrities between hausa and arabic, i know a little arabic, i can go for example to a arab country and i will be able to understand the basics, not because of hausa but also because i studied arabic. fulfulde and hausa are not similar in fact there is a difference

emofine:
I'm currently living in London

yeah not every Nigerian know of the Isoko clan, when I tell them where I'm from they're like "what is Isoko"? LOL

I just have to complement my ethnic group with the Uhrobo's as they are usually known haha or I just say Delta lol

the women can definetly become models if they so desire because the shortest height required to be a model is 5 ft 7

oh and yes I have seen a documentry about the Wodaabe and both the women and men tower over the interviwer lol

namfav have you ever visited Southern Nigeria? and where do you live currently?

I love Delta even though I've never been there because it's my ancestral home but I was also born in the North so you are right I do have an attachment to the North lol. Because I like tuwo, wear traditional frequently and like sitting on the ground to eat so many people have just lumped me as a Northerner lol

Where would I like to live? that is a good question. I would like to learn Hausa so I would definitely spend quite a lot of time in the North, I feel the South is more loud and hectic but I hear that Delta is a fun place lol. Kano interests me alot as well

so you are in london i wonder how you don't come across northerners there, i know quiet a number of hausa and fulani who reside in uk, how do you feel when no one knows your ethnicity? i don't think it would be something i would be happy about hehe

yup, they are very tall indeed. no i have not been to the south, the closest i have been to was abuja, at the moment i am in america

you have the same interest for the north like alot of northerners well it is a good thing because in the end it is where you were born, you will fit in well, once you know hausa you are one of us lol, which state is it that you were born?

yes it's diverse, all these ethnicity, a ingridient for disaster

j/k

pleep:
Does anyone know for sure were the Hausa people originated? Or better question, were did the Fulani come from? because you guys are litterally everywhere. I heard Hausa was used as a lingua Franca as far away as zanzibar and Kenya!

dude no one knows for sure were we came from thousands of years ago, probably very far, or very near, it's in our culture to be everywhere

what a joke

emofine:
I have an interest in the North particular because where I'm at there are hardly in fact I do not see any Northerners

It's kind of funny and weird actually because many Nigerians used to think I was Hausa - but I just took it as a compliment

Many people in my family (because we have lived in the North) really love Northerners. The Isokos are similar to the Urhobos but we are separate kinda like Ibibio and Efik. Isoko number smaller than the Urhobos so sometimes we are eclipsed by them. We have some similarities in our languages/ clothing etc.

To be honest it's good that we are discussing because beforehand I thought Fulani were all one and the same and looked the same - I had no idea that the Fula were diverse. Do Bororos only inhabit Nigeria and Niger?
wow those people could be runway models lol - is that including the height of the women or is it only the men that are that tall? 6ft8 wow! the men could be basketball players lol


Many people kept on telling me that Northerners are real tall, I believe that's one of the reasons they mistook me for Hausa perhaps.

Yes, in fact I would like to visit all 36 states but I'm excited about the North especially - I believe every state is different but I feel I would experience something wholly different from the North

Well I've heard people say that but not just about Hausa/Fulani but other ethnic groups as well. The thing is Southerners can be direct and we feel we have to be cautious when dealing with the North. Many Southerners I knew that lived in the North loved the people however they did say that "do not offend their religion" apart from that they had really good things to say about the people. They say that "Hausa people are friendly", that "Hausa is a beautiful language", "Northerners are beautiful", "Northerners are humble" etc - the report is not always bad.

However it does make me wonder how the Northerners perceive Southerners? are they afraid or curious about the South?

I'm not too sure about the Northern presence in Delta because I haven't been to Delta but I hear that there are people of other ethnic groups there including the North. I also read an old article about some Northerners (Kanuris) account of his time in Port Harcourt or maybe it was rivers state. He said that his clan and family had lived there for years (over 50 years) and so the younger ones were brought up there. He said they do retain their culture, language etc but that the children also speak the local dialect and mix with the other kids. However despite adopting port Harcourt as their adopted state he was aware and very conscious of the North/South schism during the political climate or some news of some riots. Fortunately he said when those times occurred his Southern neighbors always reassured him that he was safe and not to worry but he admitted as a Northern man living in the South at those critical moments in the country (riots) he felt only then he will stand out from his neighbours, he did like the state he was residing in though and considered it his home 

aha, so where are you then? it's interesting because before today i had not heard about isoko people, so isoko and urhobo share common ancestry?

fulani are very diverse, with the bororos i believe their women are slightly shorter than the men, but not really short, i think they range betweene 5ft7 and 6ft2 maybe, you will see this if you watch certain documantaries on the gerewol

it's a honour to hear someone interested in our culture i hope we had more people like that nigeria will be way better, we don't perceive southerners negatively, contrary, generally we think the same way you think about us, there is a little insecurity because you hear some (especially the younger) who think that southerners have a bias against us but it is just a minority it's in both sides also, generally no, there is nothing negative that i can mention, as you've mentioned we don't like to be offended, but it is the same anywhere isn't it? no one likes to be offended, but i think that we (on both the sides) don't make too much effort to learn about the cultures, sadly, but at my school we were all mixed up and it was always normal, saw each other no different

oh i see, since you were born in the north, would you prefer to live in delta or the north? somehow i think you have a attachment to the north

emofine:
Nigeria never seizes to amaze me, good or bad there is a lot to discover about our country 

oh okay, that makes sense.

Well first of all I am from the South so I like to discover things I am not too familiar with, I like learning new things but I have to admit the culture is very interesting. I've read up a bit about the history in the Sahel and I am impressed. The architecture and clothing amazes me. I like the sound of the languages in the Sahel and Sahelians are indeed very beautiful people 

In my opening post I introduced a little about myself. I was born in the North and lived there for my very short time in Nigeria, so I don't know if the southerners make it but my mother usually bought fura de nunu from the Fulanis - she never made it.

LOL - but in looks I thought there was no difference between a bororo and other Fulanis. I never knew that they bragged about their beauty lol - but they are beautiful people to be honest.
check out the "Celebrating Nigeria's diversity on Nairaland" thread to get your answer 






nah I'm kidding. I'm Isoko, have you heard of them? if you haven't well people sometimes group us with the Urhobos 

thats very interesting, i used to think hardly southerners had interest in our culture so it's refreshing, no i have not heard about isokos so it's a urhobo clan or something? fulani are diverse, but bororos are considered the most beautiful, they stand out because they are also the tallest (they range from 6ft1 to 6ft8 barefoot), would you visit the north one day then to explore more of the culture? i spoke to some people they said they are scared to even live amongst hausa-fulani do you feel that way?

i want to know which tribe is the urhobo closer relate to? and are there many northerners in delta state?

emofine:
I see.
Do the Touregs/Toureks consider themselves Nigerians? So are the Touregs mixed with various Nigerian ethnic groups in the North?

lol I've actually never seen a Togolese Yoruba, I've been waiting to see them though  but I guess there would be similarities

are the Fulanis in let's say Senegal do they differ greatly to the ones here in Nigeria?

Morrocans and Algerians in Nigeria? are they there for buisness

the groups in the sahel/sahara are really interesting to me I'm attracted to their culture as well

so do you drink fura de nunu (sorry I don't know how it's spelt) when I was a baby my mother always used to give that to me  I have not drank that in ages though

oh so you are Fulani, great. I have heard so many people testify to the beauty of the Fula ethnic group. Oh have you met any Wodaabe? and what do you think of the Wodaabe custom of having male beauty pageants?

oh and be sure to ask as many questions about the South as you want to sir 

i had a classmate in kano, who was half tourek, don't really know to what extent there is mixture but i am aware that they have mixed for many years

yes there is a difference only  because the fulani in senegal some of them have got the influence from the jollof, serer, which we do not have, we had influence from hausawa, kanouri even which they did not have, but in terms of pulaaku (the culture/lifestyle) there is little to no difference

yes mainly business people, i don't see too many just a few people from algeria, why are you interested in the culture if i may ask? also yes i did drink it alot, always do when i am at home, is your mother from the north or something because i did not expect it to be prepared in the south too, but its easy to make though

that is why they call the wodaabe, i have met 3 of people who are bororo, lol they are proud apparently they always brag how beautiful they are if you talk about these gerewol thing i find it strange but its okay i  guess  , so before i ask the question are you urhobo/ijaw/itsekiri?

emofine:
oh okay cool, well as for me I watch quite a lot of Kannywood - I like how they dress modestly and the girls are very pretty

are there any Tuaregs in the North and is their culture similar to the Northerners?

What type of African nationals frequent the North? i.e. are there many Nigerien, Chadians, Sudanese etc

Is it difficult to distinguish and decipher between a Northern Nigerian and a Nigerien?

What type of national (globally) frequent the North? - I heard there were many Indians there

What is your staple food?

I know that many Northerners converse in Hausa but can they also speak pidgin?

thanks in advance and sorry for sounding ignorant, the North really interests me but I do not have any appropriate resources to research the North thoroughly so I guess I'm gonna have to ask questions (that may sound ignorant) and travel there for myself 

it's good you have interest to ask i also have questions but i will ask a bit later when i finish answering what you want to know

yes there are toureks, culturally there is similarities have a long history with them, in bornu there have always been a number of toureks from what i know they also frequently mix

yes you are right, there is tchadiens, nigeriens, algerians, moroccans etc. i have come across those i also know families who are originally from cameroen

it is not difficult, sometimes it is impossible since we have alot of similarities culturally, i have a question if you can answer this, can you distinguish a yoruba from togo to a yoruba from nigeria? i know the accents are different but is there really a difference?

some indians, pakistani, lebanese, you know the usuals lol

i'm fulani, so i have to say dairy for me growing up, we used to eat and drink from the cow (cheese and milk)

i have not come across many a northerner who speak pidgin, some do, most not

emofine:
I was just sharing what I know based on my family however I believe other people/ethnics may or could revere some of these animists as some happen to also be custodians.

That makes me wonder how are animists treated in the North or to be specific your family or possibly ethnic group? Are there many animists up North?


I think it's pretty cool, I'm defninatly gonna go horse riding when I visit the North 

Do Northerners listen to Southern music and watch Nollywood? because I am aware Northerners have their own cinema - Kannywood ( but I believe they were trying to uphold some modesty)

Also does the North have a significant desert landscape? I have seen some pics and the deserts in the North do not appear too thick or engulfing as Niger, Libya etc but I hear that desertification is taking a hold now.

i see, i haven't met an animist before and i don't have one in my family, to be honest i don't think we will get along as animism contradicts everything that we believe


not really, i can say i probably have only seen 3 nollywood films in my entire life, i think there are some that watch but most do not (from where i'm born), as for music i have not heard much music from the south when im home, but sometimes (out of interest) i do listen to some on youtube but i wouldn't say it's our kind of thing really

yes there are some desert areas in the north,desertfication is affecting some of us, yes not really like the sahara

interesting, that's basically not what i expected, i thought the pagans were viewed different, like respected because i heard that about in many family in the south there are members who still practice that or believe certain things in that, so i'm a bit surprised ( i guess )


no i haven't ridden a horse before, i want to one day, interesting, by the way i think the pictures you see are for hawan sallah, you will see alot of horses and calvaries during that festivals, yup, horses are important to us, horses and camels as a form of transport has always been important you know without that you can't move too freely or protect your own

emofine:
Hi namfav,

I forgot about this thread lol

I'm from the South but I'm not Yoruba

namfav I would like to ask you so many questions because I want to learn more about the North and it's people. However I must warn you I am very ignorant of the north thus my questions may come across as ignorant to you  so I hope you don't feel offended when I ask questions 

By the way, what do you want to know about the South? 

hello, you can ask anything, no offense will be taken

there are in fact certain questions but first i want to ask like since i know the south is mostly christian, how are the non-christians (especially the pagan) live in the south, are they accepted in most christian families?

i also want to lern about southerners cultures because i know little, how do yoruba christians view yoruba muslim is there strong solidarity?