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Patrick Van Aanholt's loan has been terminated and he has returned to Chelsea.

Come on fellas. Bayelsa is a Northern state. How many more times do we need this stated?

[quote author=Sam_Ikenna link=topic=838107.msg9904519#msg9904519 date=1325822802]Happy new year to all. I specifically signed up today to say hello to every Nigerian on this site irrespective of where he or she comes from. However, I have reserved a big Hello to Onlytruth and Beaf and to make it a little interesting I have decided to call Beaf "Nwanne di na mba." Beaf you are one tough guy, Even though you have have flaws just like every other person you have shown to be firm and I respect that. I know it hurts to see our "near-omipotent subsidy" go but the truth is - it's time has come and its got to go. May I add here that if I were to be in a battle of life and death, I would choose Beaf, Onlytruth, ShongorThor, (including others I cant remember now) to join me, these guys are real men. [/quote]Talk is cheap. Real man? Oh Please stop the butt licking dude.

No! UEFA rules forbid that. If we sign new players, for the round of 16, they can only replace Anelka and Alex in the foreign players quota. This becomes interesting though as we are allowed no more than 4 association-trained players, what will happen with Cahill if we sign him?

Ibime:
Marco Reus @ £14m is just as good as Higuain, Cavani and other players they quote @ £35m

The other players are all even CL tied. What's the point shelling £35m on players who won't be eligible for the CL?
Giving that we can only register 3 new players for the 2nd round of CL, do you think UEFA will allow us replace Anelka and Alex without those replacements counting as the the new players?

Ibime:
How did Marco Reus join Dortmund for £14m?

We heard that Dortmund and Bayern went for him, but how come Chelsea name was not linked?

I really hope we have other options.
If rumours are to be believed, we are after another RB when we have more pressing issues in attack.

My bad.

Get Tomas Kalas in sharpish.

We are all eating from the same pot of soup.

United lose 2 games in a row and concede 6 goals.  

I am just disgusted by the sheer amount of hatred flying around in the name of ethnicity and tribalism.
It' shocking. Every single discussion has to be dragged down the filthy gutters of "my people are better than yours"

Yes I am back. I am working on creative ideas to get this thread going again.

debosky:
Cahill is English, he's mid 20's and has more EPL experience than all those players you listed Nateevs.

Y'all have to pay up and show the money jorr.

Just to keep this in perspective, Ashley Cole is reportedly on £120k . .
Do you think "in the league of Ashley Cole" when you hear the name Gary Cahill registered.

I will be damn right mortified if we offered the dude more than £60,000.

debosky:
This is one question that the government has completely evaded in the subsidy discussions - how much does it cost to refine one litre of petrol in Nigeria? Is it equivalent to the price of imported fuel?

A couple of comparisons:

the price of petrol in the UK (removing VAT and Duty) is approximately 53p. Based on a conversion rate of 250 naira to 1 pound, locally refined petrol should cost 132.5 naira.

http://www.petrolprices.com/the-price-of-fuel.html

In the US, the current cost of petrol is roughly 88 cents/litre. Removing tax, (12%), we come up with 77.44 cents/litre. Based on 150 naira to 1 dollar, the price of locally refined petrol should be 116.16 naira.

Are those prices in pennies and cents the costs of 'locally-refined petrol' in the UK and US respectively or the cost of 'imported petrol'?
It is important that we don't lose focus of what the OP desires answers to. For that reason, I believe hat the cost of locally refined petrol should be lower than the figures you arrived at - N132 and N161

Only of course if I read it all wrongly.

Software piracy is one of the reasons ICT in Nigeria will continue to suffer for a long time. ISPs, forced by legislation can tackle this.
The Nigerian Government don't understand the impact of ICT on technological development. If they do, software piracy will curbed. Unfortunately, it is going to be the same way for a long long time.

Wow! This place is alive. It's nice to see that 3 years on, this thread is beginning to see life.
Thanks Loggix and Life-Style for being of use to those who seek help.

BlueDiva:
35mill is too much for just one player right now except you are CR7 or Messi.
When will Chelsea learn? I'm sure it's all rumour though.

Yes £35m is too much for Lucas. Unfortuately, when Chelsea is in the market, Chelsea is billed Chelsea prices.
We are paying for the years of senseless spending.

Rumours have it that Cahill is asking for £120,000 a week which puts him at up to £60,000 above Mata, Ramires, Meireles, Luiz, Sturridge, in fact only 4 of our team earn that or just above that. I'm very curious to know what ensues.

Imagine such demands from a player who's coming from an almost-relegated Bolton.

BlueDiva:
Keep spending the money.
When he fails tomorrow your excuse will be he wasn't given a free hand to run the club.

At least we are trying to sign a player. Much better than your proposal of 'deliberately' cutting the squad size.

Away from the arguments to real transfer gist. Report have it that we are preparing a £35m bid for Lucas Moura.
Diva's not gonna like this.

debosky:
Those comments indicate that AVB wanted to sign him, no doubt about it - you may say he wasn't signed for the present, but he was DEFINITELY an AVB signing.

AVB had been talking about how good Lukaku was and how good a season2010/11 was - all this was since July before the signing went through over a month later.

Nothing about AVB's comments indicate he didn't want the player - that he had been scouted previously is not saying much. There are very few emerging players out there that haven't all been scouted by the big clubs.

On the contrary, Chelsea and Anderlecht already agreed to sign Lukaku before AVB became manager.  The transfer stalled because of terms not being agreed. Chelsea were bargaining to keep the price low by luring them to a a season loan back to Anderlecht. While this was going on, AVB became manager. Perhaps briefed about proceedings and he was asked in the press about Lukaku and he had to respond. . . What would expect him to say if he disagreed with the transfer bearing in mind he just landed? Honestly?

No normal person will conclude that AVB definitely signed him after firstly considering the history and secondly, after this statement.  . even though our team is competitive enough in that sector of the field,



You cannot win on this dude. I followed this kid for over 15months and the Chelsea interest for much longer than for me to be swayed with a few fancy words of yours . AVB 'definitely' signed Lukaku. Please man!



On a side note, it's is quite hilarious you will ever come back to concede this . .


Those comments indicate that AVB wanted to sign him, no doubt about it - you may say he wasn't signed for the present, but he was DEFINITELY an AVB signing.


Haha! You remember our spat about "Lukaku was not signed for the first team or not" . . . You argued indefinitely!

debosky:
What about AVB's comments on Lukaku showing that contrary to your claims AVB did want to buy the player?

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12040/7095480/AVB-We-had-to-go-for-Lukaku

Next minute Nateevs will come and tell us this case is equivalent to the signing of Islam Feruz.

If anything Debo, it further clarifies my point.

"He is one of those players we couldn't afford to lose because of his potential and that's why we made the move in the market even though our team is competitive enough in that sector of the field,"

Is more than enough proof that he was scout signing. If it was entirely up to AVB, why would he go out and sign a player when he admits. .even though our team is competitive enough in that sector of the field,

Look pal, I don't know how it works at Arsenal but the way it happens at Chelsea is different. Lukaku was identified by the scouting network. Emanalo heads the scouting network and everyone wants a say. The scouts identify a player and run it past AVB. What do you want him to say? No I don't want him? Dude has only been here 5mins? And when the press approach him and ask about Lukaku what do you expect to say? No I didn't want him but they signed him anyway. . .

BlueDiva:
Nateevs,
Clear the air.
How much did AVB cost RA?

£13.3m

Ibime:
Nateevs, must you make a fool of yourself? Instead of humbly admitting that your made-up fantasy that AVB kicked out Meireles is wrong, you have chosen to make a fool of yourself.

A fantasist over the age of 30 is a fool forever.

See his mouth like tribal football bla bla bla.

OK eeediot. . . . why not read it on Chelseafc.com

http://www.chelseafc.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10268~2448532,00.html



"When I arrived at Porto he was already five years in Porto and had won a treble championship and two cups. He felt it was time for him to move. . . . . 'There was no pushing away of a player of his talent"


No he was on £10,000.

Shebi anything to prove he didnt get a pay rise? Mugu!


You see. . . . a fool would plunge the depths of stupidity just to maintain his senseless argument.

I would give you a hundred links. . . . but BBC does not print player earnings so you might have to make do with certain websites. 

Hehehe! You have to come back hard with insults because I questioned your sources.
I didn't say AVB did not say it, I only said I was curious because I didn't see it on a credible site.
You want to swallow hook line and sinker because you went on a Liverpool forum?
Now he dude is fuming because I asked him to back up his claims. Who gets mad at stuff like that?


So we say he did really say that. That still does not prove much
He was the Chelsea boss when he said it and Meireles is a Chelsea player.
That statement would be more believable if he (AVB) said it before he became Chelsea boss.

What do you expect him to say, oh! Meireles is crap, I sold him once and I am unfortunate to have him again?
Especially as some parts of the statement throw ambiguity into the whole discussion.


" he arrived back from the World Cup and we decided it was time to part company,". . . . . . . "but there was a common interest to find a solution and that's what happened when he joined Liverpool".

BlueDiva:
When will they ever blood them if they keep going to look for 'made men'?
It all started with JM, now it's a norm for every CFC manager to think buying players anyhow is a birth right.

I'm so vexed with the 50 million we spent.
If i was RA, no more spending. Most clubs don't even spend 50 mil in 2yrs.

Like I told you some days ago, the real problem is how we have spent.
In the last 6 years, £30m on Sheva, £50m on Torres, £25m on Luiz, £18m on Zhirkov, £18m on Ramires could have been spent more shrewdly. That's over £140m that we cannot account for at this moment in time.

We've erred an awful on the part of transfers. That's done. This solution however cannot be totally saying no to spending but spending shrewdly.

Ha! I forgot to add that I didn't find any link on tribal-football, I would have added it.

Ibime:
You see, when a fool is speaking, its best to keep quiet or be tainted by association.

According to Nateevs:
According to AVB:
So what is the fool still trying to debate?
The maga wants me to pull up quote from BBC knowing that BBC only report on a transfer after a bid is official.
In July, websites report that AVB is interested in Meireles as an option. In August, Meireles signs for Chelsea.
There can be smoke (rumours) without fire (action). . . . but there can never be fire without smoke.
Fire confirms smoke.
We saw the fire in August. . . but Nateevs is still arguing that the smoke in July was not correct.
I hope he doesnt die of smoke inhalation.  

Hey oga! I'm curious! Where exactly did AVB make this supposed statement?
I put it into google but I cannot find it on any credible site except . . . . . . Tribal Football. 
Again!

The funny thing is that all funny links that have the story actually all seem to co-incidentally forget the proper spelling of "manager". . . . (Manger).
What are the chances of that happening once again?
Hmmm!

Find us again that link informing us that Meireles was on £30,000 at Liverpool.




To the !di0t who said Chelsea had been looking for Meireles since the beginning of summer . .
This is Meireles himself talking about his transfer to Chelsea.


"Liverpool asked me to hand in a transfer request, that's normal." (On deadline day).
"There's no point touching this subject any more.
"I was a bit surprised, but now I'm just concentrating on my present and future, and that's with Chelsea."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14823977.stm

I don't have proof, but it is unlikely that a player will move from Porto to Liverpool on lower pay at the peak of his career. Even with the verbal agreement to double his wages, I don't think he'd be earning less than at Porto.

Very few transfers happen while a player is at his peak for less money, and those that do usually make the headlines, such as Cesc and Arteta. For ambition they sacrificed salary.

I never said he went for less money. I don't have proof either but I will never categorically state on a public forum as you did that he "definitely" went for more money especially when many reliable sources including the Guardian and Telegraph report that he went for a meagre package with an agreement to increase his wages. Why else will a player be asking for wage increase after only 9 months into his contract if he went on a bumper package? Why else will a player join another club for a meagre package when he was supposedly "adored" by AVB?  Is all this not pointing in one direction? That he was moved out?

Mereiles may not have been AVB's first choice, but he can't be dissociated from the player's performances.
This still boils down to your ridiculous excuses for AVB - unless/until he gets his first choice players do not bring out the cutlasses?

I am not making excuses for AVB. Even though Meireles may not be AVB's first choice he will still shoulder a large portion of the responsibility of the performance of team as he would of the praise that would usher in had he been leading the PL with the same squad. I am just saying based on the events of the transfer window, there are explorable avenues to improve AVB's output - one of which includes signing players. Every Manager does. They sign more players. Am I asking for the impossible for him. . . No!

At least I am providing solutions. The others are blaming and still don' want him to sign players how can that be a way out?

I guess we can never judge Wenger because he lost Cesc and Nasri right? Or we can't judge Fergie because he failed to get Schneider?

It is dumb to bring Wenger and Fergie into this. First those 2 have been at their respective clubs for at least a decade - there are no grounds at all for comparison. Secondly, you cannot ignore the experience at the job which Ferie and Wenger clearly have.

How many players did Dalglish sign before he moved Liverpool from the doldrums into the top 7? His performance over the 5 months from January was STELLAR, even though in midseason, with only TWO additional signings to a Liverpool side in free fall.

Two additional but important signings. I don't do fractional argument. I like holistic reasoning. You fail to mention that Liverpool were in free fall because Torres was dead. They brought in someone who could score goals and the leapt. There's no way to know that Hodgson won't have taken Liverpool out of free fall had Suarez arrived. You also cannot ignore the aura any new Manager brings. Heck even Avram Grant brought some to Chelsea. One year and £120m later, Liverpool have a win ration of 51.4% compared with 41.94%.
Now is it really Dalglish or the money?

Villas Boas had a FULL pre-season, he got £47m to spend on a team that finished SECOND in the league and he can't even produce a month of consistent footie. Yet you're saying let him sign the players he wants FIRST before any judgement?

Why not? Every single manager thrives on signing players. I see him sign personally Mata, Meireles and Romeu and these guys have contributed immensely to our season. I like to see what he can do when allowed to take charge of transfers and bring in more decent players on the cheap who can do the job. It's a shame that we cannot get a full month's worth of consistent football. AVB is learning on the job, he will get better, smarter and wiser. One thing I never doubt though is that he has what it takes to take us to next level. That's all I am asking for.

We didn't get Modric because Spurs refused to sell.
I repeat AVB had the opportunity of strengthening his squad. Are Modric and Perreira the only players?. One would expect a former scout to know his onions. You don't get whom you want and then you resort to your former reject? What a dummy.

And stop picking on petty things. AVB came in for 15 mil and not 18. You should know that was an error and please i never mentioned pounds, you did. Stop taking cheap shots.

Sorry to annoy you further but it was not £15m. . You've had 2 chances now.
To your other points, no Modric and Perreira were not the only choices but Chelsea did not anticipate that they won't come.
Call it poor planning but that's how it happened. I presume there's something AVB wanted in both players.
He didn't have them and does not have anyone like them in the squad now.
Why don't we chil out and see what happens if/when he does get those/similar players before the cutlasses are drawn?

You can't stop me from having my opinion, players are not the problems of Chelsea.
Your buying a zillion players now will not revive your season.

Maybe you don't get me.
Anelka's absence will not create major problems at the right flank. We have DS playing there.

In the absence of DS we have seen AVB play Torres there. Therefore, we already have ready replacement for Anelka. My 6yr old daughter understands this.

----------PF/Iva/JB--------DL/Iva-----JT/DL/Iva------Cole/PF

-----------------------Mikel/Romeu/Meireles------------

--------------DS/FT----------- FT/DD/RL-------------- Mata/Malouda/Kalou

We are not exactly desperate for more players.
What of SAF who plays Valencia in defence and he says he ain't entering the market.

Yeah players are no the problem at Chelsea yet you are the first to come here after every match-day to tell how Torres is useless.
Is Torres a backroom employee? Is he not a player? So how can you say players are not the problem?

Oh! Let's claim player-management is the problem.Tthat way we can blame AVB for Torres' form. . . This shocking to say the least! The same person who complains about how terrible Mikel is and how Romeu should be playing instead is coming back to tell us players are not the problem.

I am not asking for AVB to sign a gazillion players. All I am asking for is for him to sign a relevant amount of players as he desires. If he does not perform then we can all start the abuses. Before then it's premature.

I cannot begin to tell you how you do not understand the consequence of small squad. You must be the first fan I have ever seen advocating for a smaller squad when we can sign more players. What use will it be for us playing Torres on the right? I cannot take you seriously, you think Malouda and Kalou are good options. Will Malouda and Kalou be scouted by the likes of ManU, City, Arsenal, Spurs, and Liverpool even as squad players? Please answer honestly.

You still have not addressed my questions still. On what grounds do you think Redneck and Dalglish are better managers than AVB? Please respond.

You are dunce Ibime. Where will you go to next? The Sun?
I ask for proof and you are bringing Tribal football, Cautghtoffside?
Are these reliable links? You are one tabloid-reading dunce who who will go to any lengths to find anything.
You even go and quote forums? You are a disgrace.

Even when SSN were doing their last minute transfer round up, they never stationed anyone awaiting the signing of Meireles to Chelsea.
Was Meireles that difficult to sign?

Imagine the nonsense from him. . ,  Meireles was available for £13m because he had two years on his contract. He moves to Liverpool where according to Debo and Ibime he is supposedly earning more money. 9  months later, Chelsea were offering £7m for him plus Benayoun. Word has it that Meireles agreed to move to Pool for a meagre package with a verbal agreement that his salary will be reviewed in a season. If Liverpool were so desperate to have him as you claim, why offer a small package?

I thought your IN THE KNOW status was actually informed but silly goat was actually quoting tribalfootball. Go siddon Man!

debosky:
Imagine trying to use the fact that a player was sold as evidence that he isn't good enough, especially when he leaves to join a bigger club with more pay.  

Oya bring the proof that he was offered more pay. . . This is your own logic?

Reh reh reh. Meireles has been linked with Million pound moves over his career yet his moves once outside Portugal for 13m Euros.
His next move is £12m to Chelsea . . That's your idea of million pound moves. Oh! I have an idea for you, Lukaku made a million pound move to Chelsea he must be top quality then.

What baffles me more is when you leave the basis of the argument alone and you chase the winds. I never distanced AVB from the Meireles move. I only told you based on the circumstance of his transfer he could not have been first option. It's like telling me Arteta and Benayoun were on Arsenal's radar from the first day of the transfer. That's very stupid comment.

Hehehe. Meireles was a target of Chelsea's from the beginning of the summer. Oya find one link. Bloody dreamer.
Now he claims to Chelsea wanted to keep the cost down. Liverpool already informed that anyone who wanted to buy Meireles will have to pay £13m. . What cost did Chelsea want to keep down? Are you serious? You are buffoon for telling such a lie. Just look at your next statement.

Meireles is a nigga who has been linked with multi-million pound moves for the last 5 years. It made economic sense for Porto to sell him and for the player to move, not because "AVB did not like him".

Hehehe. I like when you try to act like you are in the know. AVB sent out over 20 players when he joined Porto. Over 20 players. That's not a club making sense of economics. That's a club giving a manager absolute power to choose who he desires. And amongst the over 20 players that went asked to leave was Meireles. Idiot trying to liken the situation to a Kean-sold-Jones and Jol-sold-Suarez situation.


And as for this statement,

As for Lukaku, lets just say that if at any moment AVB feels that signing him would squeeze funds that he needs, then AVB would be a liliy-livered punk to accept such imposition, especially considering that he has more leverage as a new manager.

Maybe we should call JM too a lilly-livered punk who had JM forced on him even though he had more leverage as Chelsea's most successful manager. Let's call CA a lilly-livered punk as well who had Torres forced on him even though he just won the double.

Anuofia!