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Jomo Gbomo:
We should just allow AVB see out the season to complete the transition. No turning back now.  We know for sure that if AVB play the oldies, we would make 3rd place easily (and I include Alex and Anelka in this). That said, once a process is in place, we might as well complete it and cross fingers we can finish fourth this season.

A lot of this still comes back to the decision to allocate a large percentage of the club's resources to signing Torres this time last year. Those wages and transfer fees woulda provided for three good players, plus saved a lot of political headache and squad unbalance and demoralisation. I didnt watch the game, but I'm curious as to why we once again went back to the tried and failed DD/Torres partnership. Did Studge get injured? I woulda thought that Studge is more suited to playing in 4-4-2 than any of these two. FFS, if DD could not make a 4-4-2 work with the unselfish Anelka, whats the point persisting with trying to shoehorn DD and Torres into the same formation?

Hehehe . . . Ninjah did you get yourself banned?

What bunch of players?
Ramires, Romeu, Mata, Miereles, Luiz, Ivanovic, Sturridge, Ashely are all decent players.
If they were not playing in Chelsea you would have been naming them as players we ought to get.

Oh really? You think I will name Ramires and Meireles as players Chelsea should get.
Seriously? Abeg cancel those two names from your list.

And yes the other 6 players are top players I will admire in any other team.
However, last time I checked, you cannot win the league with 6 players.
Infact in this age, you need an able squad of 25 to stay in the top four.
We spent years splashing on the first team. You cannot expect your top players to be in super year-in year-out.
Therefore you need to have players who can step up and do a job.

We have a game in 48 hrs and we cannot afford to make 4 subs.
If you think we can, name them players you will play.

Indirectly owning up to Torres' failure?

You cannot be sucked up in what you have to say that you forget what people's views on a topic are.
I have told you time and again that so far Torres has never been a failure. What's the point of your statement?
On the contrary you are blaming AVB for Torres woes claming another Manager will get the best out of him.
I point out your errors. You should accept it and take that statement back instead trying to deflect.

How many 33 yrs old do we rely on? The 33yr old you criticize is the reason you are still in the CL.
You are begging the issue. It's not about age. TH is almost 35 yet they all want him at the Emirates.

Too many in crucial positions. Goodluck though with comparing us with Arsenal.
They are not serious. . just like us. No clear strategy and that's why like us, they won't win anything.

No, do tell.
I'm not into stats.

If you are not into stats, then why claim AVB already has more losses at home than CA?
Would that assertion not depend on stats?

Diva are you not the same person who in 2009 was calling for the end to the CA experiment?
How come 2 years later you are using the same CA as a yard-stick for another manager's performance?
These were the same pattern of results we were getting until ManU and Arsenal slumped and we picked up some form.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-362607.1184.html
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-362607.1152.html

A little history should give you a tap in the backside.
Read how you lot had no single belief in the CA team. Now you are are judging AVB with the same CA you failed to support.
WE are back to the same point again. . It's till the manager eh?

Your post on March 16th, 2010.

Re: Chelsea Fans: Identify Yourselves Here on: March 16, 2010, 11:29 PM
CA is turning SB into a joke.
Soon Hull and Stoke will feel they can come to the Bridge and win.

It's the manager again eh?

BlueDiva:
No it's not difficult managing.
Can all our players really be that old and ineffective? No sir.

Of course it's not difficult managing.
So how come he can win a treble with Porto and cannot win jack with ours?

No all our player cannot be in efective at the same time but what do you expect from them though? Win every game?
What then do you expect from City who have twice the squad that we have?
You are just afraid to face it. With these bunch of players, we are just about where we should be.

I'm beginning to think Torres will flourish under a decent manager.
Look at the magnificent Mata being wasted by playing him out of position.

I hope you know Torres played under Roy at Liverpool, Ancellotti and still plays under Del Bosque.
So it's AVB affecting Torres eh?

AVB will only take us down, it's obvious.
Even CA did not desecrate the Bridge the way this man is doing.

Really? So far AVB has lost to Arsenal, Liverpool and Aston Villa at the Bridge.
Do you know how many game Ancellotti lost at the bridge?

Please get these facts right before you criticise.

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I am sorry but if you leave transition too late this is what you get.
We are just about as good as Spurs and Liverpool.
United win PLs year in year out because they refresh every so often.
You on this side adore your idols nd protect them from sitting on the bench yet you want United-style performances.
You think it's about about relying on 33 year-old for inspiration?

That's the difference.

BlueDiva:
Without the 3rd goal we would still lose.
The players don't play with passion, they have no regards for AVB.

Your manager is tactically clueless abeg.
I expect AVB to start yapping again, " we played well, we are still in the race. . .bla bla bla"

So it's the manager again eh?
Do you know how many managers you have personally called to sack?
Is it really that difficult managing?
Oya let's sack this one again.


Another dude will come in.
You'll get a honeymoon period with the new guy.
We'll finish just above Arsenal, lose in the CL, win the FA Cup and congratulate ourselves.
It was nice we sacked AVB timely. Then Roman will buy Caroll and Arshavin for £60m a piece.
Give Lamps, Drogba, Ferreira and Malouda 2 more years' contract
We are off to a bright start. We beat WestBrom 6-0, Arsenal 2-0 Drogba scores. We lead the PL with 6 pts after 6 games.

November comes first draw. Then another and another. Then a loss. Then pressure. The newspaper stories.
Suddenly we are 4th. Gosh we are going to finish outside the top 4.
Then Diva will come again "It's not the players. . it's the useless manager"

And we'll begin the cycle all over again.

BlueDiva:
Maybe nateevs would have some explanation for this shame.
Our problem is not the players but the woeful inexperienced manager.

This guy would end up taking us to the Europa.
We are gradually turning into a mediocre team thanks to Mr Tinkerman.

Did you even see the 3rd Villa goal?
If you did, then come back to the second line of your post.

Hmmmm.

What was Lamps trying to do? I'm speechless.

1 - 2

It's not looking good.

I won't take off Danny but I can understand. Danny for the second game in a row has done more useless things than useful ones.

It's a shame. We have a first 11 and that's it.

Wow!

Kalou? You'll play Kalou in midfield?

I hope we are not staring at another draw.

dayokanu:
Shey Drogba dey hump person for field ni?

You saw that too.

Romeu has good vision.

chelseabmw:
don't understand why we are using three defensive midfielders

Ramires
Oriol
Meireles

No creativity at all(WTF)

Who would you have played?

Ramires. . . It requires one touch. Come on!

PF is officially over. OMG!

Nice one DD. Legend!

Penalty.

Here we go.

That wasn't in the script or was it?

@Diva,

You are looking at the difference in recruitment criteria over the years. The difference between United and Chelsea is that United spend wisely on their "squad" while Chelsea spend all they have on their first 11.

Kobojunkie:
Unfortunately, I disagree with your conclusion on the example I gave there. I fail to see your point actually, considering the actual post I responded to.  I do believe my example works well. If you don't like, don't worry . . .  it was meant for those who had an understanding of cars and why it remains cheaper to fix a newer model car than an older model car. I have worked on cars myself for years so I know a bit of that  . . . . .  And people who have will tell you that it is more times than not costlier to obtain parts and service for older model cars than it is for newer model cars.

Train cars on the other hand, is a whole 'nother issue which I am not privy to and which the thread is still trying to figure out. I certainly do not think you can apply my example directly to train cars( what I suspect you actually did above).

No your example does not work well. Your car, however old or new, does not require a mesh of systems to operate. All you need is a stretch of road - paved or unpaved - to move from point to point. With a train, it's totally different. A train requires systemic power generation for effective operation, signalling and control systems for management and safe co-ordination, a train requires stations for commuters to embark and disembark. Now do you want me to strip each of these segments down to every single service department? All this just so that a train can move an inch?

Do you need all that to move your car to your friend's? No you don't!

So my point is, despite the feared steep maintenance costs, the purchase of the older trains may be influenced by the fact that the total cost of running a system that supports newer trains is very expensive. While you as an outsider to the web of systems that run the train see only the cars, the guys who foot the bill see the whole picture.

This is where it looks silly using your car as an example.

As a side note. A faulty electronic door on a train could invoke the expertise of five departments. The newer the door technology, the scarcer the support maintenance and with scarcity of resources comes a very very steep cost. Not all new things are cheap to maintain.

AjanleKoko:
Commenting on above comments:
This is a new  project end-to-end. New tracks, new stations, new everything. It's reasonable to assume that all what is required to run the service will have been factored into their deployment plan. They would know that they need train tracks, stations, signaling services, power, maintenance and support facilities, etc.

Perhaps they have evaluated all there is in the deployment plan is why they have opted for the older trains. Perhaps the older trains have all been part of the deployment plan from the out-set. Stations, Tracks are obvious things that need to be done. Signalling services, maintenance and support services is the bane of contention here. Here is where you require 24-7 technical expertise. In signalling services, control systems, maintenance and support, there are several levels of sophistication to choose from which in turn define class of expertise to deploy.

So it really does not matter that it is brand new. It's what technical implementation chosen to be deployed after tracks are installed that counts. For example, you can choose to integrate a system similar to the 'London Underground Oyster ticketing system' and pay up to £1.1bn for it's deployment or design a cash based system which may be more expensive to run in the UK but infinitely cheaper to implement in Nigeria.

Nigeria at this point in time does not have the technical expertise required to design, implement and support such a sophisticated system and as such will have to rely on foreign input which invariably costs more than the British doing the same for themselves believe it or not.

With new trains comes a sophistication that must be supported. The support expertise that is currently unused in Nigeria. What's the point?

[quote author=baby-boy link=topic=831960.msg9849776#msg9849776 date=1325078788]The same process to drive a new train would be for an old train,  actually for a new rolling stocks are buttons and some of the new stock do not need drivers but old stock requires moving a gear stick from speed to speed,[/quote]Of course it would be the same. . Old trains and New Trains move forwards and backwards don't they? Or is that not what you mean by "same process"?

Please dude! Stop joking around. I know you work with a train company but do you know the real cost of upgrading a rail network? Most of you commuters and front-line workers can't and never will understand the under-lying systems that drive a functional network.

Yes there might be similar processes in old and new methods, the difference however could run billions in implementation and running costs. Older processes are simpler, easier and cheaper to deploy, implement and maintain. . . . and in a country like Nigeria with minute level of world-standard technical expertise, it could be cheaper in the long run for the concessionaire to employ older trains for a start and then gradually introduce newer, state of the art facilities and equipment.

Kobojunkie:
I think that is usually because the cost of repairs to older model cars, more times than not, are higher than the cost of repair to newer models. And if it costs more than something is really worth to fix it, then it might as well be considered scrap grade.

I used to own Hydai excel car that I purchased for $500 bucks back in college. I loved that car, but when the car developed problems, it emptied my pocket fast. In a period of one year, I spent well over $2000 fixing one thing or the other. We had to source parts from different places, even had to go search in the scrap yard for parts.  Eventually, it was towed and I never went back for it.

If I crashed a 2011 Toyota worth $30,000, I don't think I would consider it scrap to fix given the cost of fixing will probably be much much lower than the $30,000 tag.

This is however a very awful example as a car needs nothing but a driver and a stretch of road to move from place to place. Trains however, need more than just a train driver and a pair of rail racks to function as a system.

With newer trains come all the state of the art infrastructural installations that make that system function - Electronic, Mechanical, Electrical and Computerized systems all fused into one to enable a functional train journey. These cost a colossal amount of money.

You also fail to consider labour costs. How many Nigerians have the technical expertise to effectively keep brand new systems running? How much would it cost to train them? With newer systems come more expensive staff training and re-training. Who runs the system while Nigerians learn on the job? - Expatriates! How much do they cost? You bet that's not cheap. The steeper the learning curve, the more expensive running the system will be. And so many other things I cannot explain here.

My point is, after considering[b] "all costs involved"[/b], it may be financially viable to buy "30-year old" cars and run a system over a 10 year period than employing a new system. We are not privy to the figures, so I suggest we desist from making unintelligent assertions on the back of the opinion of a single person's article. 

And please never use that example any more. . . Jeez!

Ibime:
Tim Vickery wont have a good word said about Lucas Moura. Calls him the Brazilian Theo Walcott.

To be fair to Tim, there are elements of Lucas' game that are just like Walcott's.
The only difference is at least Lucas really does have a football brain.

chamotex:
Is he for now or for the future?
Chelsea could kill is career

I take it you meant "his" right?

So we are bidding for Lucas Moura. Now that's the sort of signing I want to hear about.

6 important dropped in just over one week of football. Second time in a row Cech stretches for a ball travelling across goal and never reaches there before the attacker.

Where is the dude who wanted Lampard is place of Ramires? Suddenly it's looks like every time Ramires plays instead of Lamps, our midfield bites better.