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Later that one will be looking for acceptance because he's homosexual. He will tell people he was made that way.

All these threads are just to blackmail pastors you people falsely accuse.

I'm still see paid banner on nairaland against Apostle Suleman by the Otobo people.

Yet Seun keeps bothering us with post like this.

amiablesystems:
@oP why not EMS? Why NIPOST? There'sno insurance aginst theft i suppose... I've used these guys EMS is cheap and reliable, just pay for insurance n when products get missing, you can use the receipt to file a suit... if yu no pay insurance bros na ur own league u dey o...

I've used EMS but I used to think they are the same, as EMS is usually in NIPOST Locations.

Okay but Joseph Prince and the @Op, should also tell people that heaven is a prepared place for prepared people. This fact is missing in the message.

alBHAGDADI:
Luke 9:51-56

51 When the days were approaching for His ascension, He was determined to go to Jerusalem;
52 and He sent messengers on ahead of Him, and they went and entered a village of the Samaritans to make arrangements for Him.
53 But they did not receive Him, because He was traveling toward Jerusalem.
54 When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?”
55 But He turned and rebuked them, [and said, “You do not know what kind of spirit you are of;
56 for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.” And they went on to another village.


Did you read the above passage? Do you know why Christ rebuked his disciples when they wanted to command fire from heaven to consume the Samaritans?

Christ said that we Christians are of a different spirit. What do you think he would look like today if he had commanded fire to burn down the same people he came to save?

Since the Kemi Olunloyo and Pastor Ibiyeomie saga became a police affair, I've read several comments from supposed Christians urging the pastor on. When it is made clear to them that a preacher is not to react in the manner Pastor Ibiyeomie did, in that he ought to overlook the matter by forgiving her without taking action, like Christ would, , they shift the goal post to saying that Kemi Olunloyo didn't ask for forgiveness.

Did the people that were killing Jesus ask for forgiveness before he said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"? Now, tell me, a crime of killing you versus a crime of defaming you, which is more easy to forgive without taking action?

Pastor Ibiyeomie calls himself a Christian i.e like Christ, yet he isn't acting like one. He has enjoyed all the good side of being a Christian. But now that it is time to suffer for Christ, he can't even face the suffer of defamation. What if he had existed in the days of the early apostles when Christians where arrested and fed to lions in gladiator arenas? Those disciple's still prayed for their persecutors.

I don't know whether Kemi Olunloyo deserves whatever she's going through cos we don't know whether she has proof of her claims. One thing i do know is that her punishment shouldn't come from a man who is supposed to preach to her. Having her locked up doesn't prove he's innocent of the allegation.

Some would argue that his silence would have made many people to leave his church. The silence that Jesus and his disciples maintained when they were persecuted is one of the reasons why Christianity is major today. If they had attacked their attackers, Christianity would have been tagged a terrorist religion.

Let's remember how Peter reacted when he cut off the ear of one of those that came to arrest Jesus. Most importantly, let's remember how the man they came to arrest reacted to the situation. He rebuked Peter and went ahead to heal the ear. But Christianity of today is "attack me, I attack you", thanks to the years of prosperity preaching which has turned man away from God and made them love self than others.

You can continue to argue in favour of the pastor, but the Bible will always condemn his actions. God has given you an hint to free you from the shackles of those that have been misleading you. Instead of following it, Christians of today have chosen to stand with the same evil men. Below is what Christ will say..

But He turned and rebuked them, [and said, “You do not know what kind of spirit you are of; Luke 9:55


Do you know why many Christians will accept the mark of the Antichrist? It is because they choose man over God and His Word. It's not too late for you today.

Exodus 22:32
then Moses stood in the gate of the camp and said, “Who is on the LORD’s side? Come to me.”

You, Seun and those who put these stories on front page thrive on blackmail. Your post is just blackmail. Did you have an opinion when kemi was on the offensive?

Should we doubt the credibility of premiumtimes?

Lalasticlala and those who are collecting money for character assassination advert on nairaland will ignore this.

abouzaid:
you're very far from the truth, defamation of character(libel) is a civil case and does not involve the police. the pastors can sue for damages and serve the court summons to the woman.it's also left to the lawyers to prove to the judge that their character have been defamed by the woman in question. it's a civil case and does not involve the police or imprisonment.the said pastors are just using their connection against the woman, just like Suleiman got that his female accuser locked up in Abuja until a high ranking lawyer got involved.

Leave that to the court. There are two courts handling the issues. Do not prejudice the case.

But how do we fight corruption impunity and stupidity when we have your likes defending the perpetrators.

fasterwell:
Even politicians for their material gains tolerates more falsehood from the masses more than the pastors.

Pastor David Ibiyeomie can not deny he is behind Kemi's arrest and prosecution. He is even a witness to testify in court.

God is the God of justice but yet merciful and compassionate always forgiving sins. If David can't forgive Kemi then God will not forgive him whether he is a pastor or not

Shot up!!!

I repeat, YOU ARE NOT GOD. you can't determine who he forgives because of your silly sentiment.

Romans 9:15 (KJV) For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Why did the two thieves at the cross with Jesus not make heaven, but just one of them. Why didn't the other make paradise with Jesus.

Pastor David only activated the Law. Let the law take it's course. You celebrate when the church is being ridiculed by demonic characters or you keep mum yet feel pained when Justice is served. You are one of those who give credence to the likes of Kemi's positions because you may not like the pastor or you also want to justify yourself for living such lifestyle

Go sidon jare.

eyinjuege:
Seeking redress in court is different from arrest.
The question is why was kemi olunloyo arrested?
She may be sued by Mr pastor for 10billion naira, but why did the police arrest and detain her? Was she making bombs in Ibadan?, was she blackmailing him? Did she kidnap his child?, did she have access to church funds to defraud them?
Other than oral diarrhoea- defamation/libel, What crime has she committed? Punishment for libels are civil remedies and not criminal punishments, so why the detention in jail?

Was it pastor David that remanded her in prison or court.

alBHAGDADI:
I didn't want to comment on this thread until I saw your post and others who claim that you can only forgive someone who acknowledges to offending you and seeking forgiveness. I want you to know that when Christ said on the cross that "Father forgive them for they know not what they do", the people at the cross were not begging him to forgive them for crucifying him. They were even cursing him the more.

What am saying in essence is that, you don't wait till the person that offended you comes begging before you forgive. You forgive the person immediately the offence is committed against you and go ahead to be nice to the person. That single act can make the person have a change of heart.

If God were to use your standard of punishment without forgiveness to judge you, I doubt you'll still be alive today.

We all know it is difficult to overlook certain offences, but a pastor should know better. Christ set the ultimate example for us Christians to follow. Failure to do that prevents us from being Christians.

So when Jesus said, Father forgive them, they didn't have to repent abi?

You are talking nonsense. Even in salvation, it is free, but you must acknowledge, repent, forsake and believe... Have you read, except ye repent, ye shall likewise perish... In your bible? You must repent!

It's over. Those who can see, knows, it's over.

But for a northern presidency that they had to kill, sacrificed many heads through boko haram, to get.

It's a pity. So shameful.

ChukwukaChijiokeJerri:
Forgive fire??

If he keeps quiet we all will come to conclusion that he did it

Now he has responded accordingly, we all are criticizing him negatively..

Wetin person go do wen dem no go talk?

Kemi has got a bush meat that is too big for her to handle..

Abi... The same people will go about telling lies about how the pastor committed adultery.

fasterwell:
Every true christians should know that forgiveness is a vital and unnegotiable virtue we must possess and express at all time no matter the circumstance we may find ourselves in.

Mark 11:25-26 says

25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.

26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

Matthew 5:23-24

l23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;

24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

The above Scriptures were the exact words of Our Lord Jesus Christ on the importance of forgiveness and reconciliation. The Master said even if we are praying and remember we have not forgiven someone who offended us, that we should forgive such person immidately so we also can be forgiven by the Father. He also said if we brought gift(s) to the Father and remembered we have an unsettle matter with someone, He said we should drop the gift(s) at the alter, go and make peace with such person first before returning to offer the gift(s).

Our Lord Jesus Christ categorically told His disciples that they shall suffer persecution just like Him

Hear Him

John 15:20

Remember the word that I
said unto you, The servant is
not greater than his lord. If
they have persecuted me,
they will also persecute you;
if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

I want us to note that the persecution mentioned above wasn't referring to having large congregations that pays huge tithes and offerrings, living a luxury life with fleets of exotic cars and private jets. Neither was He referring to your church members singing your praise but it includes Kemi Olunloyo accusing Pastor David Ibiyeomie of having a side chic called Actress Iyabo Ojo etc.

No matter the level of persecution we may face, we were already told to forgive our adversary. It is not in our nature as christians to arrest and prosecute anyone no matter what they did to us rather the Bible said in

1 Peter 2:12

Live such good lives among
the pagans that, though they
accuse you of doing wrong,
they may see your good
deeds and glorify God on the
day he visits us.

Forgiveness is the key and forgiveness is the way to everlasting salvation. Our Lord Jesus Christ forgave and prayed for those who crucified Him. Stephen before he gave up the ghost, also forgave and prayed for those who stoned him to death.

James 1:2 said

Consider it pure joy, my
brothers and sisters,
whenever you face trials of
many kinds,

Acts 5:41

The apostles left the
Sanhedrin, rejoicing because
they had been counted
worthy of suffering disgrace
for the Name.


CONCLUSION.

If you know Pastor David Ibiyeomie, help me tell him that he MUST FORGIVE, RECONCILE WITH KEMI OLUNLOYO AND MAKE SURE SHE IS HAPPY OR ELSE GOD WILL NOT FORGIVE HIM FOR ARRESTING AND IMPRISONING KEMI OLUNLOYO. HE MUST DO IT FOR HIS OWN GOOD.





PEACE!

You are not God. Our God is a God of justice, law and order. Pastor ibiyeomie can forgive her, but he must not stop the law from taking its course.

When the likes of freeze, kemi, Otobo and others peddle falsehood do you open threads to stop them, or did you give support to the claims by being in different?

The reason why this thread is on the front page is not because of what you wrote, but because Seun and nairaland admin, hate the church and wants to ridicule the church with posts that diminishes the church.

Do you speak out when people post lies and evil?

What ever you allow on earth, is allowed in heaven so says the scriptures.

Pastor David has forgiven her, but the law must be made effective.

Ecclesiastes 8:11 (KJV) Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

The guy should not have returned the money.
Him for just lockup take the money move.

Boko haram people.

HottestFire:

Some people will still defend this people and cast aspersion on Magu and EFCC. Just read below;

It doesn't make sense, because when I talk about the brigands in the executive / presidency, you attack me.

So really, it doesn't make sense.

He should allow the law take its course.

Some people just want to blackmail Suleman and not want him to respond. They are evil. He should not blackout follow it through.

Kemi Don humble. She now realizes she can be forgotten in that prison and nothing will happen.

For saharareporters, they will soon go to market and not return. Some foolish people call jungle journalism investigative journalism. They lie.

This thread is for the zombies.
You can see hate in all their posts. Nothing about good governance. They failed buhari.

One buffoon is talking about fighting corruption with saraki as Senate President. Which corruption are you fighting with looting going on in aso rock.

They foolishly don't know that the government is over. I've said it before. Those who want to find out can search for my post. It's over! Go and ask those who can see beyond the ordinary. The government is over. To save it, resign or hand over to the VP.

They foolishly mystified Buhari. He is a general, he can do and undo.. Nonsense!! No body will cross him. It's a lie, Buhari can easily be impeached now than before.

Reptyle:
Below was my comment on an earlier thread on this same matter. It is a shame that the Nigerian Senate has allowed itself to be reduced to this crass level.


[b]"The role occupied by Professor Itse Sagay is not formally recognised by the constitution. He is at best a member of the President's "kitchen cabinet" who was appointed without any recourse to the legislature.

I doubt very much that the Senate has any legal right to invite him over a statement he can easily argue that he made in his personal capacity as a Nigerian citizen.

Like I said during the Hamidu Alli debacle, the Nigerian senate needs to pick its fight carefully. There is no need issuing ineffectual and pointless decrees and summons when it will only end up making itself look irrelevant in the scheme of things.

Itse Sagay might be a lot of things but one thing he has going for him is a deep knowledge of the Nigerian constitution both as a legal practitioner and a leading academic in that field. I can almost bet that he will be releasing a statement before the end of today trashing the senate's summon and upbraiding the hell out of them."[/b]

The constitution empowers the Senate to summon anyone in Nigeria and give a warrant of arrest. including the president. Sagay did not know the section he quoted.

janefarms2015:
Who is ordinary office clerk? Do you know the position he occupies? Do you know this erudite professor's records and antecedents? No lawyer or any honest Nigerian who is matured enough in age and intellect will not respect this man's view on issues of national development

You are talking out of point. His reply is a watery defence that's out of fear as he doesn't know the ramification of embarrassment he wants to cause his boss.

The Senate can invite him. The Senate can invite the president. Not to talk of him.

People like you, keep pushing buhari and his team. No problem. By the time they mess him up he will be alone in the woods.

What view, other than calling people corrupt and interfering with court judgments.

Ndume was a liability to the Senate. He can now go on exile.
We need to hear about his boko haram case in court.
He used psedo support for buhari to block his court case on boko haram.
That's the story of of how APC government destroyed the country.

All a see everywhere is silly bias against the Senate.

Even when the presidency is plane stupid, many still blame the legislature. I've told them, you are not helping buhari's government by demonizing the legislature.

The fools have raised buhari to high heavens. That he can deal with anyone who does not agree or align with him. I laugh at their foolishness.

We really have to be careful. The legislature have the capacity to do and undo, they can force buhari out of office or keep him in war mode all through without any achievement.

They can politically frustrate all coercive instruments of the Executive like Efcc etc.

Again, we have to be careful. If you destroy the legislature because you love the buhari led executive. (although I still can't see what they are doing) Tomorrow, you'll have an executive you don't like, but pray you have a worthy legislature too.

We should stop this silly attacks on the legislature, while we ignore the criminality in the executive

The tragedy of the 2015 election.
To playing ostrich jare.

Cousim:
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PLEASE educate me. I'm interested in how to do it.

Abeg

Javalist:
Most of these phone sellers are greedy.. The best way to save yourself some hassles is to get a Dollar card loaded with BDC Dollar (now N365/$) and order for these phones directly from AliExpress, Amazon or Ebay. You'll get them a lot cheaper there since they directly with Dollar.

Please educate me on how it's done. I really want to try it.

Well, this guy wrote in favour of sheriff some time back. Shows how difficult politics can be.

For me, I put a big X on anything sheriff giving his role in Edo and Ondo elections. They can forgive for edo election, but for ondo election, sheriff can't be a member of such party not to talk of being a party leader. I kind of agree with this dude here

Boko haram fighters get out of prison, not to talk of an ex governor.

BERNIMOORE:
which statement of result? why are you lying here, the school officer said Buhari is yet to come for 'verification' neither has he collected the controversial result till date.

The secondary school that Buhari Attended Tried to cover him up because he DID NOT PASS ANY SINGLE SUBJEST, they Mess Up the fabricated result such that TILL DATE BUHARI NEVER CLAIM OR RECEIVE THE RESULT. here is what happen, Note the school officer never mention presidential candidate's Name (Muhammadu Buhari) but Cleverly says 'one of our ex students
http://dailypost.ng/2015/01/23/certificate-saga-attached-buharis-recent-photograph-result-gck/

We received a message that one of our ex students was demanding for his result and we had to release it. However, we are still expecting him to come in person for verification.”

My work is to release the result as demanded, which I did. We have to attach his recent passport because we could not locate the one he used during registration. The issue now is, they demanded for the result and I’ve done my job”, he told DAILY POST.

When prodded further to explain why the result bears ‘Kastina’ State which was not created as at the time Buhari sat for the exam, Kabir said: “Mr. Journalist, I am going for prayer now, please call me back.”

When this correspondent tried to reach him, his number was perpetually switched off.

what we can derive from this is that

1. Issue of identity which is fatal to the Case; Mohamed Buhari Not Same As Muhammadu Buhari
2. Till Date Buhari Had NOT VERIFIED NOR CLAIM THE RESULT OF 'ONE MOHAMED BUHARI'
3.Buhari(president) Swore to Affidavit to be Addressed and known as 'Muhammadu buhari'

Further
3.Buhari Till Date Did Not Submit any result to INEC as demanded by electoral act 2011.

4. Buhari did Not Present any result to the Court, justice Ademola was paid 500,000 to frustrate the case by Buhari lawyer Awodein while the case was on, and Buhari went on to win the case even a year after there was no presentation of his result to the court which keep adjourning till the case was withrawn.
Former President of the Nigerian Bar Association (NBA), Olisa Agbakoba (SAN),

In a video of the Channels TV, Agbakoba said he had had a good look at the nomination form, especially as the current form for the 2015 elections is different. The new form has a fragment titled 'Produce Evidence Of Qualification'. In his own calculation, this part was not filled in properly by General Buhari and this might cause a problem down the line.

He said: “As lawyers we go for evidence. Based on the form before me, I do feel that the form has been wrongly filled. I saw in the papers yesterday … but I wished that the certificate was not published so that the distraction will not be there. “The last thing we want is for General Buhari to be disqualified for non completion of the form. The truth is that he did not complete the form; he put in an affidavit that his certificates are with the army, that is non-compliance, so generally speaking Read more: https://politics.naij.com/362576-buhari-risks-disqualification-olisa-agbakoba.html


The Director of Army Public Relations, Brigadier-General Olajide Laleye, who said the army has been inundated with request for the General’s credentials, added that it was only in possession of a letter from the Principal of the Provincial Secondary School, Kastina, recommending Buhari as fit for military commissioning in 1960.

Buhari Certificate: Army Deny Possession Of WASC
He said that the Army also have in its possessions Nigerian Army Form 199A where the General indicated after commissioning that he obtained credits in four subjects and a pass in another. However, it is not in possession of a certificate to prove same.

In the document passed around to journalists for sighting, the letter reads in part; “I recommend him fit for military commissioning, I consider that he will pass the WASC examination in English, Math and three other subjects.”


http://www.channelstv.com/2015/01/20/army-deny-possession-buharis-wasc-certificate/



justice Ademola was offered N500,000 at that time to back down and soft peddal, thereby compromising a judicial process which later haut Ademola himself

Kola Awodein paid the money to Justice Ademola in 2015 at the time the judge was presiding over the Buhari’s certificate case.

Agi had claimed to the DSS investigator that the sum of N500,000 paid to Justice Ademola http://punchng.com/buharis-lawyer-gave-justice-ademola-n500000/

Gbam.

genearts:
I don't know if you guys are just being mischevious or ignorant.

His statement of result was released signed by the Kaduna state government, the principal of the school even boasted that if anybody has doubt about the result that they should come and meet him, the transcript of the entire set that sat for the exam that year were also released and Cambridge confirmed his records that he indeed wrote the exam. What other convicing promise do u want aagain??

Cambridge didn't confirm anything. They only required buhari to make such requests.

Secondly, did you really look at that master list to see what's there? If you looked at it, you wouldn't be referring to it.

TonyeBarcanista:
Swearing of affidavit does not confirm or refute his claim, it only open avenue for litigation in case his claim was false... Perjury is a serious criminal offence in Nigeria.

I don't like discussing motor park subject, I'm a PDP person but I wont appreciate irrelevant subject.

If you observe, I said NOTHING on Dino's issue until the VC vindicate him... all I said was "case closed"... That's for a reason...


2015 election has long gone, let's get over it

Stop looking at everything from the prism of 2015 elections, it diminishes every other thing you want to say. Do you make such claim when those who want to mask their incompetence with the actions and in actions of the last government say theirs?

If those in government can cast aspersions on others why shouldn't others do same to them. What even makes you think your opinion is right?

That buhari is qualified to be president, even for the simple reason that he is a retired General doesn't stop anyone from questioning his secondary school credentials, as that was the bases for his admission into the military in the first place. Did he submit his credentials to Inec as required by law? When it was an issue in the polity, did he present the certificate? Did he request Cambridge to give a CTC?

Buhari’s response to his certificate questions was not in any way convincing. If such questions arise in your career is that the kind of response you'll give? We all keep making silly excuses for Buhari yet we can't take such excuses from others.

For the records, get this into your head. No one cares if you support PDP or not. If at this stage, you've not not discovered that, then there's a big problem.

Sketchandcraft:
But the VC never tender any certificate indicating he graduated... He did not show us his original certificate.. He only say all this verbally at the Senate...

What we want to see is Original Certificate indicating he graduated.. the VC can be compromised to favor senator Dino and what is needed is documentation revealing he graduated from the school and also the NYSC director general should also be invited to state if truly he served in Year 1999 but graduated in yr 2000..

We are not yet convinced that he graduated until he show us his certificate and also nysc certificate (discharged or exempted)

I love this your strong stand. I hope you have same opinion about Buhari.

Buhari never presented his certificate. Just like Dino, he had school mates, but non can stake his head. Buhari doesn't have the certificate.

Buhari is a proud man. If he had it, he'll bring it out.

He does not have it.