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naptu2: Thank you for making my point. Once again, who will enforce the law and what will be the behaviour of the person that will enforce the law?

Options
1) Corrupt police

2) Corrupt politicians

3) Or who?

I don't accept the notion that ALL police officers and ALL politicians are corrupt. The right leader can significantly change the seemingly hopeless situation. I'm sure you'd agree with me that Lagos state has significantly improved despite corrupt police and politicians. I believe this is due to effect enforcement of many laws in the state.

naptu2: Lagos has a high level of traffic accidents, therefore the government has set up road safety clubs in public schools to teach people basic road safety at an early age (remember, we've got laws regarding zebra crossings, but how many people obey them? How many people even know what a zebra crossing is? Is it enough to have the law? Don't you need behavioural change to ensure that the law is effective?). They've also set up a drivers institute, to make sure that people are properly trained before they get behind the wheels.

This is why I have always advocated that we need to teach civics in our schools. I don't want to type too much, I'll go find my civics post and repost it here.

I'm more inclined to believe that we need to find a way to enforce our laws rather than become social engineers. When people know that there will be negative consequences for their illegal acts, their behaviors will be modified. I believe the right leadership can get us there. Fashola's successes are not due to any behavior modification grand plans, but to good leadership backed by the constitution.

You can train drivers all you want, but as long as people can get away with violating traffic laws, they will continue to do so. I submit to you that highly educated and trained drivers violate traffic laws more than the untrained drivers. These people will drive against traffic, bully other road users with their expensive SUVs e.t.c. Why? Lawsa are not enforced - its the same story with thieving politicians. Where are you going to train those thieves to become decent people, which school, which civic lessons will you make available to them?

^^^ olodo, google does not translate Igbo. a minor typo does not count. You are still an efulefu additionally onye ara ka ibu. Didn't even realize that you are an Albino (Afin). mumu

naptu2: 1) Fashola did not say behavioural change should come before constitutional change or vice versa. Rather, both should go hand in hand.

2) Public officials are supposed to be change agents (eg, Obama with his "yes we can" and "taking responsibility" campaign). I remember, a former police chief of New York, who implemented the broken glass theory, stated that the job of the police is basically about behavioural change. This change doesn't have to be implemented by force, but could also be done by education, public enlightenment and setting good examples.

You points are well taken. We know what needs to be done in terms of the constitution. How do you propose that this behavioral change be forced on Nigerians and is it realistic to expect such a change in the next 5, 10, or even 20years without some sort of dictatorial authority such as they have in China and North Korea?

abouzaid: tofitafi gida nka.

onye ara ka obu.

For those with short memories, refresh your recollection with the image below.

naptu2: Mind you, Fashola stated clearly that he is not against constitutional change, but he believes that this should go hand in hand with behavioural change.

This is a bunch of crap. Governors and politicians are now social engineers, abi? Pray tell, how are they going to force a behavioral change in people? I hope you are not suggesting that we use the Chinese system of forcing certain behavior on the masses. The kind of behavioral change Fashola is talking about will take quite some time and possibly a generation or 2.

Constitutional amendments or a restructuring should not be contingent upon the success of social (re)engineering. Fashola is simply wrong and ill-advised in this case. Lets call a spade a spade.

abouzaid: Umunne m, oge erugo mgbe a ga eweputa onye igbo ga abụ modelator na akuku politics, ife mụ ji ekwu ya bụ na ndị ofe mmanụ na almajiri na enye anyị nsogbu ebe a. Dayokanu,bittend,ndụ_chucks were dịrị gawa

O bu maka gini abouzaid na kpo m Almajiri? abouzaid bu onye efulefu. dan tselewa

How can Fashola or anyone who hopes to rule Nigeria have any problem whatsoever with amending our constitution or even rewriting it? Is it not senseless to call for social engineering which could take generations for its effect to be actualized, instead of amending the constitution or rewriting it?

I am beginning to feel that Fashola may not have what it takes to move Nigeria forward. His talents are probably limited to managing entities such as cities and small states.

Obi is on point here and even the old coot Edwin Clark, is making more sense than Fashola.

Demdem: Did Abati ever told u that Patience was in an hospital? Where did u get ur info from? I hope not from SR?

No vex Abeg. I forgot that she went to rest overseas because of fatigue from first lady activities.

@Frank-C, you sef go soon fall my hand. You registered on NL in 2007 and claiming to be JJC, olodo.

I don't know how you verified that I was angry. I hope delusions are not involved. When we are told what Madam was doing in a hospital for over a month, I will stop accusing them of lying and deceiving the public. Until then, those who do not like my opinion can hug any nearby transformer.

[quote author=Frank-C]Yes But on a serious note, you seem angry that what madam said is not consistent with what Saharareporters have been publishing and I just felt that only dedicated staff of such organizations can be this angry.[/quote]If you were not a JJC, you would not have thought that I harbour any kind of anger towards Madam. She is our first lady and her travels and medical trips are funded by us, so we have every reason to know what we were paying for while the was away.

[quote author=ekt_bear]Katsumoto, practically speaking, Seun lives in Nigeria.

But Seun lives in Nigeria.

It isn't about protecting his business, but about protecting his personal safety.

So, I understand Seun's position. Though I will purchase a certain book and burn it to express my dissatisfaction.[/quote]ekt_bear, you are quite correct. I didn't want to spell it out since if a business man's personal safety is in jeopardy, his business will, for all practical purposes, be left unprotected, to say the least.

Katsumoto: So it is fine for NL to be labelled anti-Nigerian unity due to the number of ethnic bashing but not anti-Islam? Basically, for Seun to be successful and prudent, he has to ensure that his business is not labelled anti-Islam?

How many anti-Nigerian parties/people have been blown up by Christian or Moslem extremists over the past 100 years?

Katsumoto: As for tariffs, this is not a port of some sort. In any case, I dare you to lobby for such.

This is the problem I have with these academic intellectuals - over intellectualizing and overanalyzing everything. @ Port illustration.

[quote author=Frank-C]Do you work for SaharaReporters?[/quote]ewo lo kan mi n'inu oku iya Aduke

ibu onye JJC?

Katsumoto: But Islam does not exist in isolation. Non-Muslim folks are affected by actions of Muslims just as Muslims are affected by actions of Non-Muslims. The only place where your religion is not under scrutiny is when you are in a place reserved for adherents of that religion. An online forum is no such place. If the intention is to reduce conflict due to incendiary remarks, then there should be a politics section for every ethnic group in Nigeria. Not only does it not scale well but it is impossible to discuss politics without mentioning the other groups.

Can a man/woman who lost a relative to extremists not be allowed to share his views and experiences with others just because adherents of that religion will be offended? Which is greater, his loss or their emotions?

The above gobbledegook ignores the fact that successful business men have a responsibility to protect their investment, and that every customer cannot be 100% satisfied, 100% of the time. A prudent businessman should take ALL precautionary measures to prevent his business from being labelled anti Islam by external and internal extremists, due to the actions, posts and threads started by the extremist among you NLers.

Frankly, I don't know of any independently owned forum which allows you people as much freedom of speech as NL does. For this, you people should show appreciation instead of criticisms. Ya'll better be thankful before I start lobbying for the imposition of tariifs and fees for the freedom you people enjoy here.

To get a clearer picture, use photoshop and paint Mrs Romney's face light black and then do one comparison, next paint Michelle's face piggie pink color and then compare. Ater that, trust me, you will see that Michelle 10000 times more beautiful.

With a black face, Mrs Romney looks like a doggone ugly woman or even a cheeky faced babboon.

They have taught this woman who we all love how to tell tall tales and lies. Madam first lady, you would have been well advised to have told us exactly why you spent so much time in the hospital and thanked us for praying for you to be healed. At least tell us what your sickness was, so that we can properly thank God for healing the disease.

Patience!!!! You are getting ready to fall our collective hands.

Most of these armed robbers who attack people's homes at night are cowards who prey on soft targets. Upon hearing a single warning shot, they will flee like a Yoruba villager running from herdsmen with pulled daggers. No need to kill them.

afam4eva: I guess it's because i rarely visit the Romance section...I really don't think we want a Romantic Eze. We don't want our girls to be turned into love peddlers .

Romantic Eze!! This is the most oxymoronic oxymoron I've seen on NL this year. This boy don make me laugh today.

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Nigerian Maritime Administration and Safety Agency, NIMASA, has statutory security roles on the nation’s territorial waters. A few short months ago, the federal government performed a Strategic Concessioning of the nation’s waterways to Global West Vessel Specialist Agency, GWVSA, owned by a "former" terrorist Tompolo, for a minimum of $103million.

One would think that Tompolo, The Navy, and NIMASA would have obtained enough intelligence to thwart this kind of piracy. If the vessel involved was into bunkering, why didn't Tompolo's security outfit and others, impound the vessel before the pirates got to them. Did the pirates have better intelligence than Tompolo, NIMASA, and the Navy

Let them continue to deceive themselves. SMH

Ayatullah: @ndu chuks, you are a disgrace to humanity, from your name and those criminals'names it is very clear you are tribesmen. May Allah save Nigeria from heartless igbos like you who worships money alone and alone. Shame on you and your tribesmen.

ibu onye JJC

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I don run before dey ban me.

How did they verify the identities of these boys? The prudent thing for a caught kidnapper to do is provide a believable fake name - they played on the bigotry of the Yoruba police officers by identifying themselves as Igbo. Those officers bought the lie like fools. Those boys look like Kunle, Tunji, and Dayo to me. SMH

You people are not setting good examples for the wayward kids who come here. I will soon report you people to Muki for disciplinary actions.

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CHESSBOARD: Ndu_chuks can you pls Leave this Forum NOWWW..... This is not the congregation of Almajiris

nwanne, PointB has a way of dealing with wayward youths like you.

PointB: Ndu_chucks, there is your answer,
By the way, OnlyTruth would also frown at any manipulation geared at returning him unopposed. If Onlytruth is to returned unopposed, then I expect him to be the only person nominated by the process. That will be a very clear indication of the people's choice. In any case no one is afraid of Onlytruth returning to his post, there is absolutely no basis for that. Besides, the rule is that the Eze leads for one year and can renew his mandate as often as he could by re-election. I only need to worry if qualifying from re-election implies not going through the formal nomination process.

Ok o, as you wish. I'm sure Eze Onlytruth will not welcome my support as paranoia will make him believe that its a kiss of death. Just remember that uzo di mma agakwa ya ugboro abuo.

afam4eva: How come people don't vote to decide whether or no they want the President of their country returned.

You are comparing this process with voting for the President of a country? You are funnier than comical Ali www.nairaland.com/attachments/229503_ROFLMAODog_gif3fa44b12f55ba64fc785c3a5794ba92e

Those boys look like unemployed graduates and victims of marginalization at the hands of leaders such as Osun speaker. They need to be rehabilitated without spending a single day in jail.

afam4eva: Ndigbo believe greatly in democratic principles and the right to vote and be voted for. If we return Onlytruth unopposed and claim that's the consensus then we'll be deceiving ourselves. In as much as majority of people may want him returned, we can't ignore those that don't. So, we want to give everyone the opportunity to vote and be voted for.

If Ndiigbo believe greatly in democracy, why not put it to a vote and let the people decide whether they want Eze returned unopposed, why are you people afraid of democracy?

PointB: At Ndu_chucks, thanks for your suggestion. I am sure you know that even as Obama wishes to be return as President in 2013, he will still face re-election, and campaign trail. That is what we are doing here. (Un)fortunately, as the umpire, I am not allowed to endorse any candidate, past, present, or future. The process will endorse the chosen!

I'm afraid, your analogy does not apply. In your case, there is only one constituency i.e. NL Ndiigbo, while in the case of the USA, there are at least 2 parties vying for the high office. If you look at the democratic party alone, Obama was returned unopposed and unchallenged in the primaries. You only have one election here, which is equivalent to the said primaries, so therefore, eze Ndiigbo NL Gburugburu can be returned unopposed. Why don't you give the people a chance to determine whether they want to return him unopposed? What are you afraid of? Let people vote on the matter, abi you are of the Tinubu school of thought ni?

O kare laiye.

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