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Why da heck are you people not throwing ndu_chucks' name into the mix one way or the other, abi you people are afraid ni?


seriously, the above is meant to be a joke. I'd rather read the debates.

This Mimiko is needed in the SW to check Tinubu's megalomaniac tendencies hidden under the guise of SW integration. The people of the SW should welcome healthy opposition to ACN in the region.

sai Mimiko!!!

Apparently, the OP is not knowledgeable of the idea of propaganda as a tool of war. OP's conclusions are completely erroneous and not sensible

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[quote author=Dudu_Negro]Ibos assasinated our Premier and Generalisimo of Yoruba Army.....we did not retaliate. They assasinated our sons and their wives.....we kept quiet.

Hausas murdered our next Generalisimo, we did not retaliate.[/quote]Please be specific and name names, for the benefit of the younger NLers and for people who are interested in reducing revisionism. Who were these people who you claim were assassinated by Igbos?

Eziachi: I had always stand on the side of the truth irrespective. You are asking a yes or no question about something that has no relevant to a yes or no response.
Its like asking Mandela and ANC if they had stopped the fight against apartheid whether the likes of Shapville or Soweto massacres could have been avoided?
What is the answer? Yes or No?

nwanne m, out of respect I will not embarass you this early morning. Would you, as a true soldier admit that Ojukwu and his commanders made a strategic error and blunder by not surrendering promptly, thus causing the deaths of women and children due to mal nutrition and other diseases? Would you also admit that if the idea was to fight to finish, Ojukwu shouldn't have run away.

Sir, this is my last question to you this morning. Keep in mind that NLers are reading your responses. I hope you remain brave and provide the truthful answer like a true Igbo man who is not afraid of anyone, dead or alive. Dalu o.

Eziachi: 3-6 months out of 3 years makes no difference. If Gowon/Awolowo with the advise of Britain did not declare war on Biafra, there would not had been any basis for Biafra to defend itself.
You can't ask a man whether lives would had been saved if he had surrendered his wife and daughters for despoil against robbers that invaded his home.
I haven't heard the West not to give aid to poor nations because they felt the aid will go to their corrupt rich elite, because that is what Gowon/Awo was telling you.
They starve women and children because if allowed they NGOs like CARITAS in they will feed everybody including the soldiers, therefore lets starve everybody.

The problem some of you kept repeating is this, this food, they made it sound like Nigeria will be loading food daily into Biafra. It was food from World charities but Nigeria threatened to shoot down their plane if dare.

It comes to a point, that Gabon decided to dare them and landed few relief materials but stopped when the Nigeria planes bombed the Uli airport runways they are using. You people should get some facts right. It wasn't Nigerian food.

You failed to answer a simple question which you could have done with a Yes or No and one sentence. Instead of doing the honourable thing, you went ahead with an epistle designed to obfuscate the truth. An honest answer will not kill you, afterall the biafran war did not.

Now be a real man and tell us whether you agree with the fact that if Ojukwu had surrendered 3-6 months before he ran away, thousands of biafran women and children would not have died in vain.

I fully expect our resident historian and chief revisionist, Dede1 to show up shortly and bail you out.

^^^^ I asked a very simple question which you could have answered honestly without all the unrelated ramblings. It will not kill you to be honest, afterall you survived the war.

In case you were responding to a different post and accidentally copied mine, I ask you again sir:

Wouldn't lives of biafran women and childen been saved if Ojukwu had surrendered when it was aparent that it was impossible to win the war and a effective blokade was in place? The answer should really be a simple Yes or No with one or two sentences for clarification.

Have you become such a p ussy that you are afraid to tell the truth because it may be interpreted as a criticim of Ikemba? Don't disappoint me, if we can no longer respect a bonafide war veteran like you, then who can we depend on NL on these matters, revisionists? I trust you will not try to dodge again.

Eziachi, the one and only biafra veteran maramma. I have a question for you sir:

nwanne m, do you have the confidence, honesty, boldness, and bravery to admit that if Ojukwu had surrendered 3-6 months before he ran away, thousands of biafran women and children would not have died in vain?

Sir, Dede1, the normally unafraid historian and unrepentant seccessionist, ran away from the question. Knowng that you faced federal troops galantly, I do not expect you to dodge or run away from the question. Dalu o.

Na wa o. May God heal her swiftly.

Contrary to speculations that the First Lady, Dame Patience Jonathan, has been discharged from Wiesbaden Hospital in Germany where she is receiving treatment, the hospital has confirmed that the ailing wife of President Goodluck Jonathan is still on admission.

A source at the hospital disclosed this during a telephone chat with our foreign correspondent at the weekend.

The source added that Mrs. Jonathan is still recuperating in the hospital and she is yet to be discharged as speculated by some newspapers.

The source further stated that it was the security aides attached to Mrs Jonathan that were actually asked to leave the hospital premises and move to a hotel in order to ensure that further information was not leaked to the press.

Yesterday, there were rumous in the media that Patience Jonathan was being discharged from the hospital and anonymous text messages were sent to some people that her apartment at the presidential villa had been prepared for her imminent return.

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Ignorance can be as dangerous as being informed, in many case. You sir, Dede1 and Shymexx, are on each side of that coin.

Dede1: What an arrant nonsense. One wonders how many ambushes were staged and lorries of Red Cross vehicles carted away. Sometimes people tend to make unbalanced statements for the sake of them.

It was a game of Russan roulette to fly food and medical supplies to Biafra as the wild-eyed Egyptian, Australian and Nigerian Mig17 pilots were eager to down the slow-moving DC3s ferrying medicine to Biafra.

Take it easy with your embellishments, otherwise I will start asking you for proofs that Red Cross planes were shot down by the federal troops. I will gladly admit that we shot down DC3s which were supplying enemy combatants - you know, the planes carrying one carton of iodine and 500 cartons of grenade.

nwanne, do you have the confidence, boldness, and bravery to admit that if Ojukwu had surrendered 3-6 months before he ran away, thousands of biafran women and children would not have died in vain?

bashr8: in essence there was a starvation polic by the federal govt headed by gowon and awolowo so why are some people mad at achebe for writting it in his memoir and insulting igbos ?

why would any sane person want to be in a country that uses starvation policy to solve its problem , send soldiers to maidugri and odi to massacres innocent women and children? i think most of us are still blind , today while bokohrem is killing innocent peole the army is also doing their own killing .smh

Are you a pretender or a fool? Red Cross was getting enough food to the region while the blockade policy was in effect.This was not a starvation policy, Ojukwu and his officers were solely responsible for these starvations. Sadly, he ended up running away after he had caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of biafrans. You can continue to bury your head in the sand, in denial if you wish. I pity you sha.

[quote author=Dudu_Negro]What responsibilities did Ojukwu have, as a leader of his people, to prevent their starvation? None of you is talking about.

Let us say you and your family are barricaded behind doors and a police squad lays siege outside your home asking for you to come out and be arrested. They are refusing to leave without first arresting you. It has been a week, you ran out of food stock already and if prolonged further your family will begin to starve. Would you remain barricaded and watch your family suffer? The police wants to force you out, they are not there to starve or kill your family. If your family get to the point of starvation and begin dying its because you failed them not because police are cruel.[/quote]The above is really the only issue I have against Ojukwu. I lost some relatives due to the said starvation - I actually lost relatives on both sides.

The blockade was designed to put a quick end to the war, but instead of Ojukwu calling it off, he used the food supplies which were coming to biafra through the red cross for troops, while women and children died in vain.

Instead of surrendering when it became obvious that the war had been lost, Ojukwu and his officers ambushed the Red Cross vehicles and took the foods to their friends and to their collaborators and to their children , while the e masses were suffering. It was these attacks on Red Cross food supplies which resulted in the complete termination of Red Cross activities in biafra. It was after the food supplies were completely cut off because of the activities of the biafran army that most of the starvation we read about took place. If there was genocide, it was perpetrated by Ojukwu and his officers for the reasons I've stated.

Its a shame that Achebe is now using these unfortunate events to make money. SMH

These insurgents have been fighting Phillipines for 15 years much like Boko Haram is currently doing in Nigeria. We may be defeated by BH and headed in the same direction if we do not defeat BH with full force. The fact is, the BH insurgents are primarily from Niger, Libya, even Somalia, and other African countries. That is why they have no problem killing hausas, fulanis, Ibos, and yoruba's alike. Mr. President, please capitalize on recent JTF gains and expunge these cone heads from our country.

The Philippines has reached a preliminary agreement with Muslim rebels after 15 years of talks, the president announced Sunday, marking a major milestone after decades of militant insurgency in the nation's troubled south.

The Moro Islamic Liberation Front has fought for decades for an independent Islamic state in southern Philippines. It has been blamed for rampant attacks in the region.

President Benigno Aquino III described the deal as a "framework agreement" for establishing a new autonomous region to be administered by Muslims in the south.

It comes after 15 years of negotiations between the government and the rebels.

"This framework agreement paves the way for a final, enduring peace in Mindanao," Aquino said. "It brings all former secessionist groups into the fold; no longer does the Moro Islamic Liberation Front aspire for a separate state."

It also provides a framework on issues such as power structure and revenues in the southern region.

"This means that hands that once held rifles will be put to use tilling land, selling produce, manning work stations and opening doorways of opportunity for other citizens," he said.

The new autonomous region will be named Bangsamoro.

"It deserves a name that symbolizes and honors the struggles of our forebears in Mindanao, and celebrates the history and character of that part of our nation," the president said.

The preliminary deal marks a major milestone after years of negotiations with the Moro group to help end an insurgency that has killed tens of thousands.

The Moro group is estimated to have 12,000 members, but military sources say it may have been splintered when government troops conducted offensives in 2000.

British officials applauded the agreement.

"I wholeheartedly welcome the announcement of the framework agreement ... to bring peace and development to Muslim Mindanao," Foreign Secretary William Hague said in a statement. "This is a testament to the commitment and vision of the parties."

The new region is expected to replace the current one by 2016, when the president's term ends, according to officials.

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Gbawe: Ndu Chucks, the issue is very simple. The OP conclude Nigerians in the diaspora are "bitter". You then simply, in a blanket manner, suggest they are frustrated their "mates" in Nigeria are making millions. This is untrue and entirely simplistic IMO.

Your talk of "mates" is wrong. Perhaps the mistake you make is thinking a Nigerian Senators and AGIP parasites , like Otedola, constitute the "mates" of Nigerians in the diaspora. It is the same way Richard Branson, for the sake of this argument, is not the "mate" of average Britons.

You fail to understand that a better comparison is to simply use the working class and the middle class. If you did that, you will note that most Nigerians in the diaspora don't have mates in Nigeria making millions, as you claim, to even justify any "frustration" or "bitterness" you think they feel.

Here, you continue with more misconceptions talking above about " very difficult economy". Is the economy of the UK, Germany and the USA more "difficult" or failing majority of its people than that of Nigeria? You want to tell me that the diaspora, with it so called "difficult economy", does not present far more opportunity and chance for a decent living , on average, than Nigeria? Once an argument is wrong, in its basic element, it will continue to be wrong.

You make the mistake of taking the views of a few to categorise the majority. What you don't realise is that the legitimate Nigerian in the diaspora is still very happy and secure in himself/herself. Whatever you are saying, you don't speak for legitimate and gainfully employed Nigerians in the diaspora.

Many Nigerians in the diaspora have done the right thing at every stage of the way to eventually secure comfort. In fact many of them single-handedly support many back home !!! If they are 'frustrated' at all, it will be because so many, directly associated with them , are in poverty and unemployed back in Nigeria.

Gbawe, I've made no mistake whatesoever. I simply expressed an opinion based on my experience and interaction with quite a few people who live in diaspora and I maintain that one of the sources of their frustration and bitterness towards Nigeria is as I stated.

You, by the way have a right to have a different opinion on this. But it would simply be an opinion, not based on any research or massive survey. You continue to compare Nigerians in diaspora to those at home in terms of how comfortable they are, and the poverty of Nigerians at home.

For the umpteenth time, I am not saying that one group is better or lives a better life than the other. You can have your debate with the OP who I do not speak for. To say that most of these economic refugees are not bitter because they are unable to return to Nigeria for primarily, economic reasons, is to bury one's head in the sand.

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Gbawe: My brother, It is amusing to read talk about diasporan Nigerians envying their fellow Nigerians, based in Nigeria, "making millions". How many Nigerians are making millions? Besides, how are those millions spent if not to turn Private houses into fortresses and 'Islands' where citizens must provide their own electricity, water and security?

The misconception promoted about diasporans envying "better-off" home-based Nigerians is regrettable in my opinion. It stems from how Nigerians are materialistic and eager to quantify everything in relation to money. While some diasporan Nigerians may feel as you conclude , because of the "grass is greener" ethos, most are ultimately happy and pragmatically grateful they are not in Nigeria where it is "survival of the fittest" and a Paradise for the elites where ordinary folks are non-entities and virtually nothing works and you may still die of easily treatable ailments if you have no money.

A comparatively small number of folks may make millions in Nigeria but , for example, they will spend millions also attempting to educate their children privately , to the highest standard, only for that child to be no better than children of diasporans who have gone to State Schools in the West. Many things balance out.

Diasporans may work hard and face heavier tax/expenses obligations but a "cash and carry" society , dehumanising of as much as 60% of it's people, is not an envious model either.

I don't think anyone who truly puts issues in perspective would be comfortable with the model of nationhood Nigeria displays to the world. I.e hideous opulence for a few and terrible poverty for the majority. A better model would be a Nation where people, even if they feel they work too hard and pay too much taxes, still have all their basic needs guaranteed to the extent majority of citizens can enjoy a dignified existence.

Oga sir, you completely missed the mark this time arround. Your epistle does nothing to nullify the fact that the diasporans I referenced in my post, majority of who are working very hard abroad to make ends meet in a very difficult economy, find it very frustrating to be stuck abroad as economic refugees, while many of their mates are making millions back home. The frustration is very real and turns into bitterness. That's all I am saying nothing more.

The idea that my observation stems from materialism is uninformed. Those who are honest know that the frustration I described is a major factor in the bitterness experienced by many of our brothers abroad. It is what it is.

I do not disagree with the rest of your post. While dismissing my post outright may endear you to many posters, you are avoiding the glaring truth.

linearity: According to world bank, Nigerian in diaspora pulp over $10b into the Nigeria economy in 2011.

They did this without been a burden on the system, without using Nigeria resources,roads or pollute the environment with waste, etc....pure $10b cash dump....Yes, you living in Nigeria also contributes into the economy by spending your hard earned money....but you use that money to buy fuel for your car to pollute the environment, fuel on your generator to pollute, you contribute to waste in wastelands across Nigeria, you consume Nigeria electricity, water, roads, public parks, zoo, bridges, hospitals, stadium, etc......Ask yourself, who have done a better net contribution towards the betterment of Nigeria, you that burden and live off the system while you make your contributions or someone who does it without living off the system?

Sometimes I wonder whether some people have a comprehension problem. The frustration I pointed out in my post is very real and is a major cause of the bitterness felt by you folks. That's all. All the other issues in your post do not nullify what I wrote. No one is disputing the contribution of you people to the Nigerian economy. Stop making up issues and then responding to them when I never suggested that Nigerians at home are better off.

Dede1: Nwanne, you are really consummate novice on this subject matter. The above post exposed your degree of intellect and smacked you right on the face for who you really are. Are you sure you set foot on the parade grounds at NDA?

In USA, what matters is your credit score, your total worth (not fiscal cash) against the amount you really want to borrow. If you have $1,000,000 in deposit, what sense does it make if go to the bank for $500,000? If I have better credit rating than you, and a house worth $500,000 with more than $300,000 equity on it, while a sorry ar.se such as you have $500,000 deposit with poor credit rating on a rental property, I shall easily secure loan of $250,000 with low interest rate from a bank easily while a deadbeat such as will continue to run around searching for guarantors.

There is a difference between civilized and uncivilized bro.

First off, you forgot to add the "m" after the nwanne, in you post above. Secondly I suspect you are still angree of the possible push ups I forced you to do.

The point is credit rating is only a factor if you are part of the so-called mekunu. When you are a real millionaire in America, even when your credit score gets as low as 350 (think Donald Trump) due to bankrupcy, the banks will still give you a first class treatment unlike what the mekunus will experience. Stop pretending, you know its true, and I know you are not a poor diasporan.

martinosi: 99.99% of Nigerians back home dont have the luxury of sitting for hours on the internet chatting online
like some of the 9ja's who live in nigeria on nairaland..etc..

Indeed, 99% of Nigerians do not get the opportunity to go and live in diaspora either, so we are not comparing apples to oranges here. We are talking about you elite people.

How many Nigerian Americans are members of congress in the USA? Zero. I wonder why. Do we have any Nigerian organization with lobbying groups fighting for Nigeria's interests in the USA? The answer again is nope.

For what its worth, I attended a Nigerian organization meeting a couple of years back, and the buffoons there were busy shouting as if they were in the market and were on ego trips without accomplishing anything. The only agreement seems to be on the time to start their Oct. 1 party. SMH

@Dede1, I will respond to your post shortly.

Dede1: Your stream of thought is the basic conflict of this discussion. Everybody should not rake millions into an account to be regarded as human. In USA, whether a customer of any bank had deposit of $100.00 or $1, 000,000, he or she attracts the same cordial respect from the bank.

The above is a bunch of crap which could only come from typical bitter diasporans. You all forget that some of us have lived in the USA and other countries just like you currently do. Most people who have a balance of just $300,000 in a US account will dispute your statement.

To the extent that a bank will offer you a cup of coffee just as they would a millionaire, you may be right. But try to talk to a loan officer about a personal loan and see if you get the same treatment as a millionaire would get. I'm assuming here that as an Okoro man, you did not keep $1million in a single account but you spread the money in different banks and some under ya matress, hence you will not get the millionaire's treatment.

While you are talking to a loan officer, sweating, a man with $1million balance is taken upstairs for a more personal banking experience.


People like the overanalyst , ekt_bear are hailing your statement and I am sure he can come up with a theoretical or academic explanation for your position, but I'm afraid your position is not supported as a practical matter.

Demdem: @Op

Me think u are wrong. what gives u the impression that its only "diasporans" that are dissatisfied with the happenings in our country?

True Nigerian at home and in diaspora alike, are bitter,but the OP asks a question about those in diaspora

There is always something frustrating about being stuck abroad while your mates are making millions back home. They blame Nigerian leaders for their failure while ignoring the fact that they themselves have personally contributed zilch towards the betterment of Nigeria. These people are in effect worse than the leaders they are quick to attack

Let me also add that a few of them return to run for various offices and start businesses, but these are exceptions.

debosky: If Mohammed who received the 'Divine Message' himself was engaged in violence, was he also 'imperfect'? I do not expect his (true) followers to do any different from him. That is my simple thesis - anything else is simply a product of the initiator.

Nwanne m, e be like say this nut will be hard to crack and since the topic relates to religion, we'll just have to agree to strongly disagree on all points. We can do this all week long with neither one of us backing down.

I'd recommend that you reread my last post with an unbiased and open mind. Ipade di beer parlor.

[quote author=ekt_bear]Where is my own portion of the money, ndu_chucks[/quote]BTW I don't accept handouts, secondly who/what da heck is Dandalin Siyasa? Besides you don't need any money since, I understand that you are a Software Engineer based in Silicon Valley area and who routinely rubs shoulders(and other artifacts) with Holywood biitches. You can always cash in a single share of google anytime you wish to have extra spare change.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI]I was going to mention sth about that, but thought I was the only one who noticed [/quote]So you are watching me. oni se ku se.

They arte keeping me past my bedtime. I think Romney is winning so far, he seems much more prepared.

These BH folks declared war against Emirs and Governors a few days ago, now they are attacking brothels. Are these boys trying to win the hearts of Nigerians?

Those brothels are bad news for our people.

A lone bomber has hit a brothel-Cosmopolitan Hotel-on Uche Road, Sabo Garin area in Zaria, police sources told Saharareporters. The bomber escaped after attacking the motel.

Sources said that Nigerian troops have been deployed to the scene in search of the suspect.

It was unclear if anyone was killed or injured in the attack
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UPDATE: 7 persons injured in the attack

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edoyad: Are you guys still in Nigeria, Nduchuck and Co? Is there still such a thing as North? Hmmmmm .

Yes o, my brother. We are still in the same country but we must continue to dominate you southern Kaduna aborigines till further notice.

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He is not a northerner, he is southern kaduna northerner. Point of correction.

[s]another way of putting it- northern christian[/s][/quote]Atanda_edu, ewo lo kan e ni'nu oku iya Adele

edoyad: Did you notice how ndu chuck has been posting with renewed strength since Sunday morning?

Look at this Northerner who is in denial about his being a Northerner throwing a cheap shot. You funny no be small.

As soon as Reno decided to yank Beaf out of nairaland and give him a real job few weeks ago, I knew he would screw things up for Oga. Its time Beaf returned to nairaland where he belongs and is missed by foes and admirers alike. The olodo's ears must be ringing as I type.