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PhysicsPhD: A German writer notes that the palace complex of the city alone was as large as an entire German city. Other writers point out that the number of rooms and courts of the palace did not seem to end, a Dutch visitor said the streets in the city seemed to go on with out being able to see an ending, and from this you claim that we should conclude that rather than them all seeing the same thing, they were all exaggerating, merely for the sake of it, since they were in Africa?

I'm not sure how one must not conclude that the above is nothing more than gross exaggeration. Dutch visitor said the streets in the city seemed to go on with out being able to see an ending  What vehicles plied these roads? Were these people talking about trekking paths or roads? abeg make una no make me laugh jare  Unending roads ko, unending paths to the bush ni  

The screwups originating from the Office of the President are becoming too embarassing. The incompetent dullards working for GEJ should be dismissed immediately before they do his presidency in.

I don't believe many of the posters here are sophisticated enough for a real democratic process. Invariably, they must first come out of the bush and learn how to operate in the civilized world where tribalism is less important than the greater good of the community.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/BUSINESS/09/15/switzerland.bank.lost/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Sources rumours say that his mother is a Nigerian.

A rogue trader has cost UBS an estimated $2 billion, the Swiss banking giant announced Thursday, revealing what could be the third-largest loss of its kind in banking history.

A $2 billion rogue trading loss would be all but unprecedented, market analyst Ralph Silva told CNN

UBS contacted the police at 1 a.m. about an allegation of fraud, and a 31-year-old man was arrested at work two and a half hours later, police commander Ian Dyson said.

British media named the suspect as UBS trader Kweku Adoboli, 31.

This topic is one reason why to keep Nigeria One Is A Task That Must Be Done.  Without the Patriotic North center holding the country together, many of you people will kill each other off at a faster rate than the Rwandan tibes annihilted themselves.  SMH

[quote author=alj-harem]1 Ijaws against Ilajes in Ondo State

2 Ijaws against Binis in Edo State

3 Ijaws against Itsekiris in Delta State

4 Ijaws against Urhobos (Ogbe Ijo, Gbarigolo, Olota, Okweagbe etc.),all in Delta State

5 Ijaws against Ikwerres in Rivers State

6 Ijaws against Ogonis in Rivers State

7 Ijaws against Ibibios in Akwa Ibom State

8 Ijaws against Yorubas in Ajegunle; Lagos State[/quote]I have to admit that the Ijaws are smart people, they intelligently avoid clashes with the Fulanis and allow them free pasage through the region. Imolites understand what I mean very well.

Some of you numskulls should wonder why Madame Iweala did not submit all the information regarding the said contract to the Reps. Why did she let it get to the point of being threatened by the reps?

Only a few days ago, Dr. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, vowed to tackle corruption in her ministry, saying the move would help the ministry to effectively deliver on its mandate. Shortly thereafter, an allegation of corruption involving a $50million contract to her brother;s company suffaced, today, we have a threat of her arrest due to potential obstuction of justice!!

Would somebody tell me what's a guan??

:d :d :d

Beaf:
IMHO, we should get United Nations, EU and US involvement, so that the results can be smoothly reached and implemented.

The above is insulting. We don't need these organizations to address our own issues. We need Nigerian solutions to our problems. Leave oyibo people out of this.

Note that this is not the so-called Sovereign National conference which seccessionists had hoped for. The President understands that the NASS is the only body charged with legislative duties and handling amendments to the constitution.

udezue:
@ NduChucks, forcing Sharia on Nigerian people is also a treasonable offense.

I completely agree with your statement above, sharia should not be forced on anyone nor used towards any political end. The minority of religious extremists who try to hijack both Christianity and Islam, should be rounded up and summarily judged. We unfortunately do not have a leader with balls at the moment.

Onlytruth:
Posted by: ndu_chucks
So, what is the difference between what you just said, and what MASSOB has been doing since its formation?
Why are you supporting the harassment, shooting and incarceration of MASSOB members, but want these potential terrorists protected under the law?
Meanwhile these your women carrying placards are only carrying "kites". 
They are flying them to know what will happen before they unleashed their terrorist sons. 

"Double faced gentleman terrorist".    

There is indeed a big difference. There is nothing treasonous about the Kano protests.  MASSOB (Movement for the Actualization of the Sovereign State of Biafra) is an organisation who by definition, claim to have been established to actualize a treasonable act.  Sovereign state of biafra ko, sovereign state of jewish Israel ni. You people have a way of derailing threads and turning them into another tribal warfare. Not this time buddy, I will not entertain you today. You lost the war already.

The issue at hand is that of civil liberties and freedom of speech – it is not about you people. Onlytruth, Egbe ndi Israeli piafuka gi your puny blockus, if you have one.

jerk:
dnt mind them ndu-chuks and co.

Hi jerk, you people are probably too unsophisticated and uncivilized to grasp the concept of civil liberties. SMH

udezue, we all know your type, now run along.

islamrules:
I’m sorry, your analogy does not hold any water. None of the protesters caused any physical harm to anyone and we are yet to hear of any violent impact of the said protest, on a single Nigerian. [b]As you become more developed politically and mentally, you’d understand that it is in your best interest to protect the right of every Nigerian to demonstrate peacefully, within the law.

And calling for the death of fellow human. So u mean I have the right to stage a protest and say "All hausa must die". Is that what you are claiming. Mr Matured legal man.

One placard contained the text 'Death to Israel' and I interpreted that to mean that the protester was calling for the death of Israel as a country and a rebirth of a new Israel which will respect the right of all her citizens to self determination. I did not interprete that as a call for the death of the good people of Israel. I respect your right to make you own interpretation, albeit warped, bigoted, and grossly prejudicial. olodo

naijaking1: Why don't you guys stick to the topic, it's not about christian sins, it's about Nigerias demonstrating for Palestine against Israel and potentially set the stage for violence.

Please help me tell them. They want to transform discussion into a religious war. At least, you get small sense pass many of these people.

ikooko:
Chucks, I actually did not get your point until this posts, but let me make some observations on your stance based on a simple analysis.
If you and your friend are in a room and there is a sudden fire accident and both of you have fire on you; would you ignore the fire in your body to assist your friend? If your response is NO, it means that no matter how much you love your friend, you love yourself more. The demonstration in Kano however is the other way round.

List challenges in this country, unstable electricity, bad roads, high pump price, poor health facility, sub standard education, insecurity, poverty, corruption etc etc. Choosing Israel/Palestine problem ahead of any of our problem is nothing but insensitivity to personal problems which is a misplaced priority.

Would you support similar demonstration in Kano in favor of Israel, since everyone has a fundamental  right to do so.
Are you not aware that exercising human rights has it's own limitations? Do people even get clearance from authorities before embarking on this type of demonstration this days?

Do you imagine what public opinion would have been if the demonstration is targeted at addressing our problems in Nigeria.

I’m sorry, your analogy does not hold any water. None of the protesters caused any physical harm to anyone and we are yet to hear of any violent impact of the said protest, on a single Nigerian. As you become more developed politically and mentally, you’d understand that it is in your best interest to protect the right of every Nigerian to demonstrate peacefully, within the law.

As I stated earlier, you should borrow a chapter from these protesters and organize your own protests against unstable electricity, bad roads, high pump price, poor health facility, sub standard education, insecurity, poverty, corruption, since these issues are deemed more important, to you. When you do that, I will similarly challenge any unsophisticated person who calls your right to protest into question.

So this is your answer to my final posts?
Oogbadun, se o moh sha. O surprise mi pelu gbogbo nkan to ko s'ori tiredi yii. Very shocking

ileke bebe-idi, you should not be disappointed. Note that all i am defending here is the right of the people to assemble and protest in an exercise of expressing their freedom of speech. I am not in support of calling for the death of anyone. In your US of A, most people find the KKK distasteful and vehemently disagree with their beliefs, but most support and respect their freedom to protest. All I am doing here is fighting, as you should, for such freedom for our people. It is a healthy thing and very constitutional.

ewo lo kan mi ni'inu oku iya Adele? Bi won ba fe, ki won ko ara won lo si Palestine, sugbon, right won lati assemble is inalienable. shikena.

@davidylan & ileke bebe-idi, you all should emulate the Kano protesting women and organize your own protests. Why not start with protesting the important issues you've raised, such as r.aping of Nigerians in Libya, r.aping of Nigerians by the Nigerian police, by the Nigerian incompetent bureaucrats, ra.ping by the thieving governors e.t.c.  What is stopping you from exercising your own right to protest?  The kano protesters are not your superiors, take a hint from them. olodo

You people must learn to defend the liberty of every single Nigerian regardless of philosophical, religious, or gender differences. You all need to get out of the stone ages,, come out of the bush already!!

davidylan:
But in a sick twisted world there is not one single UN resolution condemning the indiscriminate slaughter going on in Syria right? We are more concerned by resolutions that asks Israel to re-admit deported mayors? You muslims are such twisted individuals.
Israel is a "rogue" state and yet we have muslims struggling to go live in that tiny 8 mile wide state by force? You would think they would prefer Egypt or Lebanon.

Ever heard of a "non-binding resolution"? I guess not.

Check yourself, my brother. You are being eaten up by bigotry and hatred of Muslims and I feel sorry for you. Pray tell, when did I mention my religion to you? o ma se o.

@naijaking1, MOSSAD ko, MASSOB ni.

davidylan:
The jews have a state, palestinian arabs can form their own state . . . wasnt that what the UN decided in 1948? Why destroy the jewish state?

Since the UN decision of 1948, some would argue that Israel has essentially become a rogue state or a not-so-nice state at best. Let me list a few UN resolutions against Israel since the said 1948 decision:

Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
* Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
* Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
* Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
* Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
* Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
* Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
* Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
* Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
* Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
* Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
* Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
* Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
* Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
*Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
* Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
* Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
* Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
* Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
* Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
* Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
* Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
* Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
* Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
* Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
* Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
* Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
* Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
council's order not to deport Palestinians".
* Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide
by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
* Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its
claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".
* Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported
Palestinian mayors".
* Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
nuclear facility".
* Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".
* Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
* Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
* Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
* Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
allow food supplies to be brought in".
* Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
* Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
* Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia
in attack on PLO headquarters.
* Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
* Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students
at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
* Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
denying the human rights of Palestinians.
* Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
* Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
* Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
* Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians
at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
* Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United
Nations.
* Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of
Palestinians.
* Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and
calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
* Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians
and calls for there immediate return.


Na wa for wayas.

davidylan:
you seem to know a lot about how "beautiful" democracy truly is. Care to mention which muslim state is democratic? Thanks.

We are talking about protests in my dear country Nigeria, and you want me to mention a  muslim state which is democratic? wettin concern me with muslim state? I'm a Nigerian buddy! abi dis man don drink oguro ni?

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=758306.msg9134832#msg9134832 date=1315883163]1. So you admit misplaced priority of your brothers?

2. So you support the advocation of death to a set of people? That's what you define as peaceful? Based on your religion or . . . .?[/quote](1) People are free to set whatever priority the wish, who am I to say that their priorities are misplaced?

(2)Why would anyone advocate death to a set of people? I suspect the protesters were wishing death to the state of Israel and not to the people. The protesters would prefer the death of Israel as we know it followed by the birth of a new nation which will provide for the self determination for all her citizens.

@davidylan  & others, the beauty of democracy is that it provides for freedom of expression. That freedom is not and should not be contigent on the priorities of anyone other than the person exercising this freedom. Hitla himself resented freedom of expression - I'm sure you people do not want to be associated with such a character.

naijaking1: You know this is not about any freedom of speech, as if the people demonstrating even knows what that means.
It's all about setting the stage for another round of riots, violence, ra-pi.ng, and looting. You know that  
Remember the riots about an English teacher who "violated" the quoran in Sudan---many people lost their lives in Bauchi for that.
Remember the Danish author who "disrepected" mohammed? People also died in Nigeria for that too.

For me, it is an issue of freedom of speech. I am not privy to the information which advised you that this protest was about setting the stage for another round of riots and other horrible acts. You’ll have to carry that prejudicial and bigoted cross yourself.


[quote author=ilekebebe-idi]
Ever heard of Verbal ( Words, even on pkalis) violence? So when should we expect the "peaceful" protest to escalate into something more violent?

Dude, I don't even care how violent or non-violent you wish to see it, the point is the priority. But oh well! What's the employment rate in the North again?[/quote]The beauty of democracy which you are enjoying in Florida, is that people are free to protest whatever cause they see fit, according to their own priorities, and not according to the priorities of some big brother or sister. Like it or not, the protests were legal, and constitutional. I’m sure you don’t share Hitlers belief in limiting freedoms such as this one.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=758306.msg9134745#msg9134745 date=1315881233]Since when did "DEATH to _______ " become peaceful?

And we should be focused on the illiteracy level in Nigeria, esp in the Northern states. I mean, the last time I checked my map it was "Israel" not "Esrael". Priority has been sinfully replaced, I see.[/quote]While one may find a couple of placards distasteful, it would be a stretch to deem the Kano protest as anything other than peaceful. There was no violence at all.

baby4u2:
Chucks, Please no body is a fool here. Dont we have worse problems in Nigeria than concentrating on other people's problem. When has anyone protested about the killings going on in Nigeria? When and how please let us know? They went as far as wanting their voices to be heard but they cannot speak out about the decandence that is going on in Nigeria. It is unproductive, it is not today that people started protesting about Isreal's invasion, Nigeria's protest is unproductive for right now. No one wants to hear crap from people that have not sorted out their own problems.

You asked when has anyone protested about killings going on in Nigeria, ko? Well you people should take a hing from the Kano protesters and organize your own protest about the issue you are complaining about. The problem is that you people will not protest anything whatsoever. Your leaders will continue to r.ape you with impunity. No vex dear, nothing personal.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=758306.msg9134725#msg9134725 date=1315880668]What has your post got to do with the thread? what's your point?

Do we have to fear for our lives anytime an  "Islamically" religious even occurs in the other corner of the world?[/quote]My point was that the vemomous attack on the people expressing their freedom of speech and association was uncalled for and bigoted. Read the attacks on the protesters by other respondents. Imaging someone calling people who are exercising their freedom of speech, peacefully, "Mindless unproductive retrogressive poverty and disease stricken illiterates"! Haba.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=758306.msg9134717#msg9134717 date=1315880507]Freedom of speech is fine. But a patient suffering from cancer should probably focus on taking his cancer medicine rather than some dude in the middle east's cold, no?

How can the poverty-striken, polio-ridden, uneducated people of Kano be demonstrating for Palestinians? People who are probably better off than they are?  

Palestinians should be demonstrating for Kano indigenes, not the other way around[/quote]You don't wish to deny any Nigerian the freedom to express themselves as they see fit do you? Do you know who the demonstrators are or what other causes they champion?

Many of you bigots jump at every opportunity to vomit your evil and very uncivilized verbal venom. Hitler himself had a great desire to limit freedom of expression which eventually led to the holocaust. You evil ones, like Hitler are now reigning all kinds of abuse on people who are simply exercising their freedom of expression.

You fools have already forgotten that apatheid would have remained in effect were it not for the good people from different parts of the world who protested against it.  Shame on you guys.

naijaking1:
It's good you took a second look at your own unjustified vituperations. I'm always for trial before persecution, not the reverse. Did She tell you she shifted $50million work to her brother? I don't think so. If she's found guilty, by all means punish her according to the law o f the land, [b]but you have to be patient; wait for her to be tried. Not by wikileaks, not by faceless political enemies, not by rumors. [b]

You don’t have to be dishonest to make a point. Why do you keep saying that these allegations are rumours when Ngozi herself said that the allegations were thoroughly investigated some 5 years ago? It is dishonest to say these allegations constitute rumours, please correct your statements and admit your blatant error.

Again, my position on Ibru and other CEOs has always been than it's wrong to advocate shooting them on sight, without trial.

Point above well taken. Since your show of concern for justice and fairness regarding allegations against Madame Ibru, she has been tried and convicted. Please join me now in admitting that Madam Ibru is now a convicted felon and a thief. Say it, write it, it will not kill you. Something tells me that you have the courage to make this admission, i.e. unless ilekebebe-idi’s balls are bigger than yours indeed.

We all should jubiliate at any attempt by any government in Nigeria to prosecute any of the thieving 'leaders'. It really should not matter whether a political vendetta is responsible for the aggressive prosecution of any of these thieves.

As long as justice is served, all is well. Ibori cried political vendetta, but in the end, he will get the opportunity to defend himself in court. Let Tinubu face the music and prove his innocence in court. Anyone indirectly calling for an end to Tinubu's prosecution deserves to be shot alongside the thieving leaders. Shikena.

I am beginning to suspect that Beaf is another Yoruba genius attempting to forment trouble in the Delta region. He has written in yoruba several times, but he cannot interprete simple sentences written by kpogede77, a gentleman who Beaf calls a brother.

Beaf are you indeed from Osun state where you had your early education? Beaf, what's your real beef with Arigbesola?