₦airaland Forum

The Presidential campaigns are over. Campaign artifacts must be jettisoned so that we can concentrate on governance.

Unlike the previous administration, accomplishments will speak for themselves. Let Buhari take control first, before you people start your criticisms of his government. If in 4 years, you are not satisfied, feel free to vote him out.

In the meantime, Millions of naira worth of PDP campaign artifacts are rusting away in Abuja where most of them were not even used. We hope GEJ will transport them, along with his 11 billion naira National Conference document, with the rest of his load, to Otuoke.

@OP, if you wan correct answer, turn de pishure around make we see de back.

FreeGlobe:
Yes, I expect the REC to do the needful and chase the mallam okorocha out of imo government house. The REC must deliver!!

SMH for you this babe.

Why would GEJ want to create a period where Nigeria has no President?

The clueless one continues to out do himself and continues to display grand idiosy. They tried to short circuit our democracy with Orubebe's foolishness, now this.

As soon as he unconstitutionally hands over to a ghost on May 28, he should be immediately arrested or placed under guarded house arrest until May 29. nansense.

kosovo:
Keep Quite and stop all these nonsense..

You don't know what democracy is.

Even Obama retained Bush's Defence Secretary despite fierce criticism.. Go learn how democracy is practiced in leading nations. You ethnic bigot!

If the APC can't come to reality that it can't be accepted everywhere in a multi ethno country like Nigeria, then they are far from understanding the concept of Democracy.

Once you emerge the president. You are no longer the president of APC, you are the president of Nigeria, God damnit!!!

Is this the concept of Change they preached to deceive Gullible Nigerians? I expect that if PDP acted like this, the APC won't! Since they claim to represent the future of Nigerians.

We are watching, APC will know that government is more difficult when the people's awareness and alertness is over 80% now in Nigeria. Unlike when it was just 35% during OBJ's administration where they governed with reckless abandonment and total impunity.!!

You made some good points in your post and your concerns are not out of line at all.

You will see the inclusion of technocrats and experts from every geopolitical zone including the SE in this administration. Buhari is indeed the President of Nigeria and he will rule as such.

We must also note that in a democracy such as ours or that of the USA, the majority of senators and members of the house of representatives pick their leaders by voting, and as you know, majority will always carry the day.

It is therefore totally expected that APC lawmakers will indeed elect the President of the Senate and the Speaker of the house. It is also within the rights of APC leadership to decide or suggest which zone the said leaders will come from. In a democracy, the opposition really has no say in these matters if they do not have the votes.

I accept and embrace democracy - that is what we are seeing in action.

jpphilips:
Sorry, no free classes today, Kindly go and pay school fees!!

Most times your posts are spot on, but I'm afraid that this time around you are wrong.

The President can only veto Bills and NASS can override the said veto if they have enough votes. This veto power does not extend to amendments to the constitution which are not Bills which could become Laws upon the President's signature.

I challenge you to site the constitutional provision which contradicts my statement.

With respect,
Nduka Chukwunenye.

If this story is true then I SMH.

The Clueless One has done enough and is in no position to be telling the UN that we do not need military assistance .

Sir, e don do, just return to Otuoke.

@OP, Excellent post !!

Countries such as Phillipines, India, Singapore etc have successfully implemented some of the DPO schemes you mentioned. In addition to providing employment, they contribute to the foreign exchange reserves of these countries. Funds used to pay the employed folks typically come from corporations in places such as USA, UK and other western nations.

Lets hope the [url=lalasticlala.obinoscopy.seun.ishilove]NL Authorities[/url] find it fit to move this thread to the FP.

jpphilips:
Are you sure you have read the Nigerian constitution before??

I'd appreciate if you would educate me on the constitutional provision which empowers the President to veto constitutional amendments as opposed to Bills. I may have missed it. Thanks in advance.

taharqa:
Ndu, is that how you guys intend to rule us?? To circumvent the Constitution at will and under the pretense of achieving a 'higher' purpose?? Just like a lot of prople feared in a BUHARI-CUM-APC Govt.

The tangs are Ben laid bare too soon, don't you think do??

Ewudan, our democratic system is sophisticated enough to allow for appropriate sanctions when the constitution is circumvented.

May I ask you where you were when the thieves and rougues in power, before the nation booted them out, were circumventing the constitution by perpetrating the greatest level of looting of resources ever experienced in any African country, in human history?

pkjag:
It's simple base addition let's use base ₉:
So 9₉+9₉+9₉=30
Those who have done computer science or electrical engineering will get it, for those who don't, we operate using base₁₀, so for base₉ let's all calculations such as 4+4=8 are the same as base₁₀, but when it comes to calculations like
9+9= 20, it's just like base₂ where
1₂+1₂=10.

You see in base₉ the number 9 is the last number, so there's no 10, so when you add the last numbers together you get 20 for arithmetic convenience, how? well in base₉ there are 10 numbers: 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 so it'd expected that if you add the tenth number to itself it should give the twentieth number then if you add again it should give the thirtieth number.

Oga, you are not solving the problem given by the OP.

Normal human beings understand that base 10 is implied here. Na only geeks, computer engineers, book worms, and their likes, wey dey make life complicated dey go from one base to the other.

jpphilips:
Do you understand what a "veto" means and why it is called a presidential privilege?

Under our constitution, the President is not authorized to veto constitutional amendments. He has the constitutional authority to veto bills.

Iweala needs to get lost, now now!!

Why didn't she use these techniques to boost revenues when she had the chance instead of applying for loans here and there. In fact she just applied for a $2billion loan before elections! nansense

CFCfan:

That's why there is an urgent need for a constitutional amendment to repeal that provision. The number of ministers (and ministers of state) could be set at 30, or 5 ministers per zone.

Also, the number of ministries should be between 14-15.

As we know, the process of amending the constitution is a very long one.

Now, if the positions of Minister of state are not filled or provided for in an annual budget and the NASS approves the said budget, then there will be no Ministers of states for the said year. Existing Ministers of state can be given the option to retire peacefully or fired after auditing their ministries . None of them can survive a real audit.

I'm sure other more effective workarounds can be found as an interim solution until the constitution is amended.

eagleeyez:
Am sorry but I don't understand u. President has veto .....please explain, as am confused

Please read my other posts on this thread. The President can veto Bills but not Amendments to the constitution.

Badgers14:
That's correct. My response did state specifically " bill".

Though the president signing off on a constitutional amendment is rather ceremonial. GEJ was legally correct by sending the bill back because the amendment doesn't have the required number of votes.

I see you have a good understanding of the process. The article sensationalized the ceremonial signing off you mentioned. Most people believe that the President can actually veto or reject the said Amendments and my post was really meant to point out the inaccuracy of such a position.

The NASS can still move forward with the Amendments and send them to the states for approval. If that happens, the courts will strike down the provisions which call for state creation, because they did not obtain the required four-fifth approval.

The legislators know better than to include state creation in the list of approved amendments when the 80% approval threshold was not met. GEJ may have exposed the 419 the legislators attempted to perpetrate, or exposed their gross incompetence and irresponsibility.

isalegan2:
Chuckie, I like you immensely. But please, cease and desist your verbal threat to the Oba of Lagos throne or I shall have no other recourse but to beat you to death with my bare hands! That throne is being held in trust for my oldest child. Seriously.

Ehn, You are a Princess !!!

Ok, e ma binu ma. There will be no more criticism of the Oba of Lagos by me, but I reserve the right to criticize any other corrupt Oba, Emir, or Eze

Badgers14:
The president has constitutional power to veto any bill passed by the house/senate. And likewise the house/senate has the power to override his veto. Usually politicians don't go the later route even though it is constitutional. Be mindful though that the override must pass both chambers and sometimes the ruling party might have the vote for the override on one chamber and not the other, henceforth the override can't stand.

Oga, Constitutional Amendment is not a bill which can be vetoed.

Nonsense!!

Only the National Assembly may alter any of the provisions of the Constitution after which the amendmends must be approved by resolution of the Houses of Assembly of not less than two-thirds of all the States.

The President has no authority to reject any doggone Amendment approved by NASS.

The four-fifth rule applies to State creation and Chapter 4 (Fundamental Rights). All other amendments to any provision only needs the said two-thirds majority approval.

SirShymexx:
So, naij's own Abraham Lincoln doubles up as a cow-jockey, no?

A fulani and his cow is the African version of an Arab and his camel - just different skin tone.

And both are joined in Islam by the great Allah via his prophet.

Alhamdulillah to all my akhis!

Scooby, abeg help me laugh at these naija people wey wan kill man pikin:

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Kolade354:
Lol I cant laugh oooo..........The northerners are damn crazy..........Pdp be mumu party den dey rig for rivers and akwa ibom forgetting kano almairis plenty yapa......Ride on Baba-Buhari.

Kwakwanso is right. There are millions of Almajiris who are of the voting age and they indeed exercised that rights to vote - this is democracy in action unlike the politics of violence and blatant riging which obtains in the SE/SS regions. Folks down there seem to be learners.

I can see that some folks here are already equating Almajiris with underaged folks. Those who do this equation are essentially dullards. SMH

netmillionaires:
in as much as I understand ur point, but what do we say about the Queen of England. The english man came to destroy our monarchy system of government yet still recognise their queen.

As far as this conversation goes, the Queen of England and how she is finacially supported by the Brits is irrelevant. I do know that governors or the prime minister does not simply take money from state budget and give it to trhe Queen, as the Governors and Presidents of Nigeria do.

Besides, the Queen is already a mulltibillionaire who does not need any hand outs.

ibedun:
We are happy for the budgetary provisions for our Obas in Yorubaland and i am sure the Northerners feel the same about their Emirs. As I am sure you know there is nothing royal about the "Eze" title, it has no historical basis and it is nothing but a "hush-hush" creation to give the Igbos some semblance of antiquity or some kind of "follow join".

Again it is not enough to make assertions unsupported by facts and expect us to believe you. Here is your opportuniuty to show us a single budgetary provision for Obas in any SW state's budget in the last 15 years.

I will withdraw my statement if you do that and expect you to withdraw yours if you cannot provide any evidence to support your statement.

Mynd44:
This is not limited to the traditional rulers na. Almost every sector on Nigeria is like that.

It should be stopped but cancelling funding to them completely won't work. Corruptly taking money out of the money allocated is criminal

I agree with you. The bolded is what currently obtains in every state and must be eradicated.

seunmsg:
Their is no federal law that establishes traditional council as at today. Issues concerning traditional institutions are legislated upon by the state government. So, it is for the various state governments to make laws creating the traditional councils in there states. The laws varies from state to state so I can't start siting all of them.

Thanks. The states should also include entries in their budgets to fund these Obas and Emirs, instead of illegally using the people's money to buy favors from the Obas and illegally influence elections.

LAGrejectIBO:
The Native laws preceeded the Constitution. The Native laws were formally adopted in the Constitutiin and called Customary. The Constitution recognizes Customary laws and their courts.

Customary laws in Yotubaland are under custody of Ogboni, who report to traditional rulers. So by removing Oba you disturb a balance and therefore go against statutory mandates extended by the Constitution in recognition of Oba's power.

Nonsense!!

What native and customary law can override the constitution and allow Governors and the President to use unbudgeted and illegal government funds to essentially buy the support of the Obas and Emirs? There is no room for such customary laws in the current dispensation.

Archaic customary laws which support nonsense must be jettisoned.

Mynd44:
Yeah yeah yeah

Tell the royal family in Britain to go get jobs first

Although I support your argument

I'm OK with supporting the Obas with funds approved by their subjects through local council ordinances or their various state laws.

What currently obtains is a system of corruption where the Governors illegally give Obas and Emirs money not budgetted for, and it turn use the Obas and Emirs for political gains. Some Governors have even dethroned Emirs who do not side with them politically.

seunmsg:
Traditional rulers play more than ceremonial roles in different states based on various laws establishing the traditional councils. They perform advisory roles to the government in most states. Their funding is also not illegal as you termed it because their is an existing federal law that provides that traditional institutions should be funded by at least 5% of the Local government monthly allocation.

Oga, it is not enough to make outlandish pronouncements without providing any evidence. Please site the federal laws which established the traditional council, if you'd like us to take your post seriously. Our constitution does not support your pronouncements either. Please correct me if I am wrong.

The Obas and their likes should not have more than ceremonial roles as glaringly displayed by recent acts of the Oba of Lagos.

seunmsg:
Traditional rulers play more than ceremonial roles in different states based on various laws establishing the traditional councils. They perform advisory roles to the government in most states. Their funding is also not illegal as you termed it because their is an existing federal law that provides that traditional institutions should be funded by at least 5% of the Local government monthly allocation.

Such roles do not belong in our current democratic dispensation. Recent actions by the Oba of Lagos speaks for itself.

What laws established the said traditional councils and under what constitutional provision?

Rilwayne001:
The eleko of eko is not a ceremonial oba, contrary to what some ignoramus were spreading aroun.

Proudly yoruba

Nice historical post there.

While Eleko of Eko was not a ceremonial oba back in the 1950s, I'm afraid there is no room for anything other than ceremonial responsibilities for Obas in the current dispensation.

This irresponsible practice of supporting Obas and Emirs with state and federal funds and allowing them to meddle in our political affairs need to be terminated. These state funds are illegally, simply given to them by Governors and even Presidents.

The Obas, Ezes, and Emirs can get real jobs like the rest of Nigerian citizens. If their "subjects" want to mantain certain lifestyles for their Oba, let them go and pass local council ordinances or ask their state legislators to approve state or local income taxes to support the, now lazy ass rougue Obas. nansense.

PhockPhockMan:
Unless in Lagos as you said, never in Rivers state.

Not so fast

The post talks about the sham of an election which took place in Rivers. Go and respond to the post with that in mind.