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Pictures don't lie!  If you have old pictures of Lagos back when there was orderliness and style. . . .please post.

May his soul rest in peace, Amen.

Historical parks?
People worship or make sacrifices in most of those battle-grounds till today.

. . . yeah, since Lagos did not participate in your wars we'd love to see how it was fought. We will give land for the park to be built here. In fact, I'll tell you what. . . , we will tax ndigbo to finance the park. Keep the ritual to the land up there please.

He knew he couldn't win. Don't forget that Fodio used Islam to convince Hausa sons to fight against the idolatrous Hausa kings. The strategy of sending Islamic scholars to Yorubaland only yielded fruit in Ilorin for several reasons but chiefly because Afonja was a wicked man and that led the people of Ilorin to turn to Alimi in getting rid of him (Afonja).

What I heard was that the same Ilorin that's today the Northern frontier of Yorubaland, was back then the center of the territory which extended as far North on border with Gobir, a Hausa State and birthplace of Fodio. The Empire of Oyo, with Dahomey, one of its tributaries, had extended territorial expansion as far West as Volta and even took wars to distant Asantehene and Mali Empires. Ilorin housed Muslim slcholars and slaves from different parts of these West African Empires. When Fodio's jihad started it wasn't just about establishing Islam because some of the people he marched against like the Hausas, Nupes and Kanuris were already practicing Islamic faith. . . .though not in wholesale as it is today.  Fodio was tutored by scholars from Mali and Futa living in Gobir.  The scholars were adherents of the Sufi movements in Mali and the stewards of the Timbuktu school of Maliki Islamic thought.  In their teachings, Islam cannot operate underneath of any other social law.  Adherents must therefore create their own enclave and community of the faithfuls in which Islam is their law. Fodio had been teaching and spreading this message and gaining popularity.  The Hausa ruler of Gobir had problem with Fodio and sent him out of town with his followers. He ended up in a new enclave in Old Oyo called Balle and lived with his fellow scholars exiled out of Gobir.  He soon developed interest in waging war against the Hausa kings and to install Islam as the defacto law of their land.

The first battle was against Gobir. The Hausa Kings were tyrannical and unpopular amongst their own people who were oppressed. Employing the aid of the rebellious citizens Fodio took one Hausa state after the other until he has conquered all seven and installed a Malian or Futa scholar over them. By the time they reached the Eastern Frontier of Hausa states and were in Kanem's territory they faced a different kind of opposition.  Kanuris loved their ruler and so the expected support of the local citizen was a dissapointment and led to their failure in subduing Kanem's Empire.

The Jihadists then marched Southward into Nupe territory. Nupe territory had previously been obliterated by Oyo in a reprisal attack to which Nupe had sacked Oyo. So the Jihadists met with little resistance in occupying Nupe.  The next territory was the Oyo Empire.  The Jihadits stopped and did not march on Oyo.  Why?  Fodio refused to march on his mother's soil.

At the end of the campaign, Fodio had conquered the entire landscape from Gobir to Adamawa, defeated in Kanem and never raised sword against Oyo.  

If his birth circumstance had been different and he had marched on Oyo Empire, would he have won considering that Oyo was at the time the single most powerful Empire in West Africa?

BTW, Fodio was repelled by the Kanuri.

True, but he marched into their territory in an attempt to rule over them.

Katz, on Ilorin. . . .Fodio marched on Hausa, Kanuri, Nupe. . . . .his army were living and cohabiting with Yorubas in Gobir and Old Oyo, why did he not march on Old Oyo?

I heard people were beheading their enemies with Toyota crankshaft, it is true?

lmao!!! the original or made in Aba?

DK, you should follow in the footsteps of your grandfather and step in for the next nomination of Are.

. . . . but you dont control the economy of Lagos.  Before you got to Lagos. . . there were Ijebus, Egbas, Binis, Hausas, Offas, even Lebanese. . . . .old powerful and aristocratic wealth.   Elitism go with power. . .aristocracy go with power.    You have neither!  your control is in mouth, not reflected in the tangible indicators of wealth. . . . political power, earistocrat influence.   You get the gist now?

Kilode, you are correct! On close look I see it's an overlay on mural background.

oh, and thank you for the rescue! Lagosians are lovers, not fighters. Eko for show!

If he makes it to 2015 he will be so drained that he will anticipate a quick liberation from the presidency so he can go back to creek and enjoy a different kind of "fresh air".

He will not be a contestant in 2015. Bring somebone else.

Even LA is not meant for all Americans, Money rule the world
if you have it come to the table, if you don't, pls pack your poverty stricken self to oblivion

Its a good thing you recognize that because Ibos have been living in Lagos since the time of Ojuku father. . . and then Zik came in and then more of you came in. . . .yet, Lagos rulership has never been in ibo hand.   Yoruba has been governor, Midwesterner has been governor, Midbelt has been governor, Northerner has been governor. . . . . but ibo, the chief financier and group that bankroll the economy (as you put it) has never been in power.  

what does that tell you?   You are a looser!   Peple that dont have property or finance Lagos are ruling over you.  Arent you ashamed?

But You mean British naval rafts right?

Was that the reason why Oba Akinsemoyin invited those animalistic portuguese in to trade in slaves? That Also fanned the embers of war in the "Yoruba" hinterland.

Everybody trying to sell something.

You dropped the ball Eko folks, you guys should have covered that flank properly, you let the long nosed liars in

. . . . . I quit this post in protest! canon guns are never mounted on rafts. there is a confiscated cannon still sitting in the palace as trophy and souvenir.

Okay, can we get back to topic, i thought this was about Kiriji war ?

Something caught my eye in the Ogedengbe's solo picture.  In the background I noticed the architectural style and symmetry of the tatched roofs.  Any info on that age of Yoruba architecture?  This was covered sometime ago in culture section on a topic called Yoruba architecture, but this particular roofing is new to me, never seen it before.  

Here is another architectural style I believe this was a palace.

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I will give you the same advice I gave to ur fellow grass eating tribes goat; Be very careful for what you wish for,it might just come to you !! Do you actually think yorubas will ever regain ownership of lagos ??
Keep dreaming!! You think Igbos will fold their hands and watch you while you claim the wealth they sweated all through their life to acquire ??  You are in for the shock of your life!!

ordinary motor park union fracas get you jittery and panicking. . . . the moment Yoruba thugs start shedding blood, meanwhile the blood os not close to you yet, you all over the place wondering what's going on and why are they fighting.   I wonder how you would react when Yoruba slaughters come in demand of blood.

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Nri priest is here! Some dreamers said I ran off!! I left because of the respect I have for the EZE-IGBO and the OP and not because of some street urchin by the name niggaar nuts!!

Ekwy nwa,biko hapu agafu afu. . .nwokem afu bu ezi offia!

Did your a s s read my post yet?   I said the Bini King you insulted is the benefactor of the Obi title of your land.  The Eze title you revere is nothing but an ordinary warrant chief, creation of British when they introduced indirect rule to your land.  Your big mouth misfired when you insulted the Bini King the way you did.  That seat of power had far reaching influence and dominion over your land back when you were ruled and sold to portugese in exchange for gun powder by Ibibio and Efik.  

Before you revere and respect Eze-igbo and OP. . . . bow down and say Oba ato'kp'aye.  You dummy!

Every single indigene of Lagos is a decendant of refugees fleeing wars, skirmishes. . .

I beg your pardon!     You forget that Lagos itself had its share of wars . . .  with Dahomey and Bini, with British invading forces in which Imperial British Baval boats were sunk and officers and sailors killed. 

In fact, put that in the history of Yoruba great wars!  . . . . or perhaps call it the Greatest war! 

Do I need to remind you that all those who went to Lagos were running from wars?

. . . specific to Kiriji or you mean generally?  Its hard to keep up with your database.  

All the mansions in festac, ogudu G RA ,Ojudu , Lekki etc making
Am not surprised u are hating they have made you tenants in your zone

. . . . no, they have locked into an irreversible loss!

Igbos have no equals in the entity called Nigeria, we can only be compared to the Jews

. . . compared to Jew My friend, you are Jew!!

Look at this Lagos man; your people were hiding behind the British when all the men were fighting.

we didnt know there was war to our North. You cant hear the cling clang sound of metal swords that far away. Tell them to use nuclear next time.

Boy, go and wake your dialu up and tell him, in case he hasnt already read it. . . , that Negro has picked up his challenge to defend Bini monarchy.

God continue to bless the Igbo Nation

. . . the blessing is very obvious in the refugee camps recently installed in Imo state. Thats an outgrowth of your "money maketh a man" philosophy.

young igbos and yorubas are busy bashing themselfs with bitterness,
while their major enemy(hausa/fulani) are busy killing us all more and more and gaining secret grounds politicaly.

You are not aware that the same thing you see here happen on Hausa forums.

. . . he is apprenticed to selling fake auto parts or failing that he starts to kidnap or go on the highway and start robbing people at gun point.

The Igbo philosophy seems to be “money maketh a man” and the Igbo man is prepared to sink to any level or scale the highest mountain to get money

Yoruba philosophy - Good character maketh a man!

Hausa philosophy - Good character maketh a man!

Bini philosophy - Good character maketh a man!

Igalla philosophy - Good character maketh a man!

. . . . . . Igbo philosophy - money maketh a man!


and you wonder why everyone has issue with the impact of your crowding their territory and the effect on the integrity of their land.

In this case you are an unwanted auxiliary defender
You cannot defend people against their WILL Igbo people will never sought the support of treacherous fold
Did I hear you say Yoruba voice ha ha pls don’t crack me up Yirba-ara and voice
Lesson   don’t mesh btw the Bini and the Igbos  
You are UNWANTED

If you notice, you see that NRI PRIEST has not shown up. . . . if I had waited for invitation to speak up his a s s would have been back with more daring challenge for anyone to speak up in defense of Bini.  Apparently my voice was effective in taming him.  That challenge was the invitation and I took him upon it and silenced him.  Your dialu priest is tamed. . . . but he doesnt believe in the defeat he is free to come back and redeem himself.  Let him come back and learn where the two titles of igboland, Obi and Eze came from.   I will always speak up against insult on Bini, this is not first time doing that, ask another of your Priests, Ogbuefi. . . . . and it wouldnt be my last doing it.  The issue with Physics is an isolated one from the Bini monarchy insult.  I dont speak for Bini people. . . I defend Bini monarchy.

When are you guys going to start posting stuff that are geared towards ethnic healing and reconciliation?

Soon as we back off from these attacks ibos are known to reemerge under newly registered names and with new attacks. I have witnessed that here on numerous occassions and many other Yorubas in here will tell you the same. I know you like to stay in middle and address your reconciliatory messages to both. I believe you need to direct it pointedly to your people.

May his soul rest in peace, Amen.

"if no one fights for others when wrongs are committed then the offender becomes obstinate in his arrogance."

the Binis are not daft, they are intellectually alert, and can taken on any body ( tribe) if they feel being stepped upon, it is not ur duty to defend them, you make it look as if they ar handicapped

History shows that defensive support from an auxiliary is always the most penetrating for silencing opponents. You witnessed that with Biafra's refusal to build coalition and how it impacted the outcome. It also explains why Ibos come seeking Yoruba backing and voice when you are targeted in violent areas.

The supporting voice is always an invaluable backing in the face of an insulting onslaught. It has nothing to do with intellect or handicap. Lesson for you to note!

i hope u wont dabble into other people's fight again
defender of the universe

you got it wrong! if no one fights for others when wrongs are committed then the offender becomes obstinate in his arrogance. I am not withdrawing what i said to nripriest, they still stand and I will defend it. Thats not a wrongdoing. . . .the wrong was trying to tell physics to get hot and throw the insult back like i did.

You go wake your dialu nri priest up and tell him come and face me over that stupid insult he made.