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PhysicsQED: Thanks.

And yeah, now that you've pointed it out I see that that caption is probably off in some way. The author was one Dana Rush:

http://www.kam.illinois.edu/collection/africa/BeninMask.html

The individual depicted in the mask is clearly Yoruba and if she meant a Yoruba Muslim she should have said so more explicitly because "Muslim man from northern Nigeria" isn't exactly the same thing.

Also, you said it was wrong in several ways. Is the claim about the significance of the seven amulets and their connection to Islam also wrong?

Precisely, you hit it! In Yorubaland, the Efe is a deeper cult than the Gelede and though it is highly unlikely that a Gelede mask will pay tribute to a foreign culture but if it were to happen, amongst the many depictions they have, such tribute will definitely not come from Efe. The tribute is to Yoruba muslim and is a message admitting the oneness of the Yoruba traditional faith and the Islamic faith, represented in a way by the 7 amulets.

While Islam forbids bowing or reverence to carved images and objects of cult worship, the Yoruba muslim, unlike the Hausa or Northern counterpart, is not intolerant of carved symbols and images. A Northern muslim will not acknowledge or appreciate such tribute from Efe. . . but a Yoruba would because they speak to a part of him that the Islamic indoctrination cannot totally block out - his/her cosmic consciousness!

On the 7 amulets, there is no misspeak on their connection with Islam.

The Yuribanies or people of Ayo, have less of the peculiar Negro features than almost any other natives of tropical Africa. . . . page 55. Which would suggest they are foreign to the tropical land.

There are very many disclosures in this book written from Eurocentric perspective but it confirms also many oral histories and accounts told from an Afrocentric view.

[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=yncYAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA51&lpg=PA51&dq=eyeo+PEOPLE&source=bl&ots=lLsKlyCq2S&sig=0-eSjduprs30zydVAIjzxbxLqo0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QUaLT93PHsfu0gHlpcXSCQ&sqi=2&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=eyeo%20PEOPLE&f=false[/url]

Two thousand years ago, there was no scientific theory on the signiicance of the sun, however its significance and the role it played in sustaining lfie were clearly observed. People understood well that the sun (and the moon) controlled life and they accepted them as 'gods'. That is why the Egyptians, the Greeks, the Incans, and other peoples immortified the sun and worhsipped it as a deity whether it be Ra, Isis, or Helios. It was with knowledge of the patterns of the sun and moon that the Egyptians were able to cultivate and farm the Nile rivery valley, the Hindu the Indus river valley, and the Han the Yellow river valley.

The fact is that man tends to "assign" a relgious aspect to whatever he can't understand. Today, we understand the patterns of the sun and we know enough that it is not to be worhsipped. I, as a Christian, believe that there is only one God who is the source of life, but it must be accepted that our ancestors did not believe this and even worshipped the sun. I believe tht the relationship between the sun, moon, and life is best understood by agricultural societies. For example, a drought meant that there would be a poor harvest, which meant that there would be a famine, which meant that there would be death. An unusually high tide meant that there would be a flood, which meant that crops would fail, resulting in famine also. However, ample sunlight and ample irrigation meant a bountiful harvest and life.

I hope you see what I'm getting at.

. . . .this response needs a new topic to discuss difference between GOD and gods and the nature of gods. I dont want to derail this topic but I will refer you to a scientifc teachings that says: "matter is made up of living and non-living things". This is a scientific error.


lol@Ify, Im unsettled in that your response so don't even think about it! I represent the male ego and Im a father. . . . .the ego refuses to be limited to the "marker" reference I just made. On a second thought I'd like to withdraw it,. . . . . the male fluid is the beginning and the end of everything! lmao.

@OP,

If I am correct, you want a political voice for the Igbo brand. I must ask you, which Igbo brand. . . . the one you currently exhibit or a new one you plan to bring out?

As far as Nollywood goes, your people have a resource in their hand but lack the brain to make it work to your advantage. . .you need Yoruba brain and savviness to operate it. There is no reason why, with Nollywood, Igbo cannot be the mainstream culture that everyone else copy, but like I said. . . you are not Yoruba so you lack the vision to see beyond its commercial utility.

There's a document out there on SW development with a major focus on integration to help effectively manage resources. It's great on paper. That is a plan. I now expect implementation. If it cannot be fully implemented they can amend it and push forward with whatever they can get consensus on.

And like naijababe said, campaign promises and manifestos were released when they asked for our votes, that was a plan. We now expect implementation.

I am aware of the push to integrate but;

1. twelve months from now when we look back how would we know that implementation was successful and who would be accountable for their success?

2. campaign promises and manifestos are not acceptable plans. . . .unless someone has committed to loose their job if the promises are not delivered in the set timeline. If the committment is not there, then accountability is loose and transferable which makes it highly likely that we are pouring water into baskets again.

If it was collective, . . . .then has it happened and if no when is it expected to? The last time I looked, Fashola was sinking more money into Lagos. Lagos is not the only Yoruba state or ACN controlled. What can we report today as a clear evidence of progression in Yorubaland since ACN took over?

Kilode and Ekt,

You both are scoring performance metrices that were inappropriatelyf defined, or in some cases absent, going in.

To answer your question of "what is next" we need first to round up the gains and failures of the past and lock those in as the baseline. Then we create incremental or stepped up goals scaled into 5 yr plans and intended to improve the baselines in an upward direction.

Example:
past achievement - ACN swept out PDP from West.

We can record this achievement as a corporate agenda for Yorubaland politics. In the next 5yrs what do we intend to gain through this agenda? Is it to win power positions for individuals or to fast forward a collective Yoruba development; is it to spread ACN from regional to national politics or is it a substitute for the Federation? Whithout a clear goal it is hard to design the metrics for assessing performance and improvements. . . so accountability becomes difficult and the gain is channelled to selfish agendas.

]A wide variety of masks are worn in Efe-Gelede performances, all of which touch on aspects of Yoruba life. Snakes, birds, tortoises, and lizards, as well as historical public figures, fashion trends, and foreigners, are frequently depicted. This Efe mask is unusual in its representation of a bearded Muslim man from northern Nigeria, distinguished by seven carved amulets (three across his forehead and four flanking his beard). These amulets signify evil-averting devices containing verses from the Qur'an, which empower the mask. There has been a strong Muslim presence in Yorubaland since the seventeenth century, and aspects of Islam have been incorporated into local religious traditions. The white color of this mask tells us that it would be danced at the nighttime Efe ceremony in order to educate and entertain the community on both secular and spiritual matters, while both placating and honoring Yoruba women.

. . . physics nice work showcasing the diversities of African art and their significance in the history and culture of our people. Do you know who wrote this narrative attributing the mask to representation of Northern muslim? That association is wrrong in several ways.

The minister did not use tact in this address.

His conviction or acquital will rest on three pivotal considerations:

1. motive and pre-meditation
2. provocation
3 self-defense

He will be found guilty on pre-meditation because he received prior counsel not to "kill", but he did anyway!

ifyalways: IMO,the sun has a relationship with spirituality,its the source of light and love.

. . . in the reproduction of a child, the father is a marker, the mother is the child's nature and spirituality. In cosmolosophy, the sun is the father, a marker, and the earth is the mother, the nature.

Sun provides light, the marker, . . . earth provides love (rhythym), the nature!

I’ve listened to peculiar discussions about Africans being more prone to being spiritual . . .some have discussed the relationship between spirituality and darker skin or those who with a higher concentration of melanin and I was thinking. . . if there is a relationship between melanin and the sun and melanin and spirituality how about the sun and spirituality?

Human enlightenment and knowledge of the solar system and its relationship with human nature was first formulated and taught by Africans. Other races learnt this knowledge from Africans. Art and Science in the African consciousness is one and the same and were regarded as a pair of essences expressing the nature of man and the environs in its polarized balance. Hence the teachings of physical and metaphysical sciences or physical and esoteric arts. . . .generally termed alchemy in ancient manuscripts. In the evolution of science and particularly under the stewardship of Western philosophers, the two - arts and sciences - were separated into distinct schools of thought and scholarship. By the time Western kingdoms started their Imperial wars round the globe, they had greatly maneuvered away from the arts and though it existed as a knowledge and principles, it was hardly the mainstream practice.

It is only of recent as their own scientifically leaning societies is beginning to fail that they are returning to alchemy as a means of sustenance and explanations for human nature. However, as they discover the truth in alchemy they also realize past errors and the risk of admitting those errors. To formulate a balance and reconcile the two with minimal shifts to their social culture, they are using scientific terms and standards to express and demonstrate metaphysical and esoteric knowledge. They are attempting to return to alchemy without doing damage to Western philosophical thoughts and loosing out to current stewards of the knowledge - China, Brazil and India. So they use words like the ""effect of sun and melanin content to human spirituality"", instead of saying. . . ""the dark race is a spiritual nature and sustainer of mankind and we made an error 100yrs ago when we made contact and called them heathens"". They use terms like "Quantum Physics instead of admitting that the babalawo's divination board is a mirror into the cosmos"".

The sun has played a paramount role in human society since it is afterall the source of all life. Without the sun; the earth would freeze over; crops wouldn't grow; people would die. This type of relationship with the sun is best understood by agricultural societies (especially those in Africa) since farmers understand that without the sun, nothing would grow.

Even the sun-worshipping Aztecs, the Incans, the Egyptians, and pretty much any other agricultural societies have a strong spiritual connection with the sun.

I agree the sun is a powerful influence, there is no dispute to that. However, it is not the source of life! It is scientific dogma to say the earth will freeze over without the sun. This idea supports the cause for the global warming advocates who insist that without their intervention humankind will be annihilated by the elements. That is playing god!

God is the one who designed it all. . .he made certain things grow out of the earth in Africa which is beneficial to the bodies and health of those whose nature is in harmony with the African soil. When someone out of an European continent comes and start to eat the African crop he gets sick. This is because his nature is not in harmony with the rythym of that soil. Even in tundra climates where the surface soil is frigid, there are plants that grow out of the earth and animals graze. In extreme of weather and climatic conditions, the earth will support and sustain those with whom it shares nature. In winter weather and sub-zero temperatures animals burrow into the soil and caves, why? Because it is warm and comfortable in the earth. It is only cold on earth's surface due to the sweeping effect of cold and temperate winds, the sub-terranean itself is ever comfortable and warm, with or without the sun.

ACM, slow down. . . . I agree with Katz. In fact Katz was very humane in calling for them to be shot. Chief Negro would love to tie their hands to the legs like rago, lay them on their sides beside a dug pit and slice their throat open so I can use their blood to oblate the land of our ancestors for peace.

. . . to oduduwa, I sacrifice this human rago. . . . Ase! rotflmao!!

Kilode,

As you know, fulani exist across the West African belt. . . but so is Hausa and Yoruba. It is only Nigeria that fulani has this exclusive command of elitism and it is because we were not throughly educated in the different cultures of our own country, instead we were instructed in the British and European histories and so on. Our own cultures remained a mystery to us, only told through the mundane realities of daily interaction. Unfortunately, our reality of fulani is that of a turbulently violent people. Miyetti Allah helps to push and further enshrine that reality in the Nigerian conscience, which undoubtedly their ruling elites subsist on to maintain power.

The middlebelterss have always been the swell of military personnell, so how did the minority fulani end up being the top echelon and commanders of military force in the Army, Air Force and even to a extent displacing Southerners in Navy posts? It is a wonder!!

You are a pretender my friend. You should bet your political credibility on the virtue of your memebership as an ethnic northerner and identify which group you belong.

You are the divider and sower of discord, not me. I am only unveiling what lays hidden from the surface. If you are a fulani then own up, or whatever group you belong. You all band together under this mythical Northerner that is held together at the seam by a very loose and threadbare fabric. To the average Southerner, the fabric is strong and retains its integrity but in actuality its lifespan has expired and can no longer withstand another tumble in the washer. . . it must now be retired and hung as a banner of past winnings and championships. A new era is here!!

do you mind identifying your northern ethnicity?

Nigeria is a nation of 160 million; I am sure it will not miss 2,000 should they be shot dead while rampaging.

. . . no, not at all!!

First, haka_nai, I need you to identify your ethnicity. Which group in North do you belong, if at all you are a northerner?

This post is no hatred or pushing for a division. . . .you are already divided! I am only bringing awareness to the Southerners that still think you are together as one. Your rulership is dead and buried with Umar Yaradua!

Dede,

Charging an opposing opinion as a conjectural fable is a cheap and lazy way to offer counter points and disprove legitimate points addressing the principal theme of this discussion. Beside accusations and charges, what can you offer, in critical thinking. . . . to deflate my position on the topic?

When we talk about the North it is the tradition to band the two ethnic groups of Hausa and Fulani together as a one entity of political representation. In actual fact, Hausa has long ago been ousted from the Northern political landscape. The two mainstream cultures in the North are the Fulani and the Kanuri. The Gwaris are struggling to emerge as a new mainstream in the North and they can be compared with the struggle in the South by Ijaw to emerge as a dominant power. Here is the breakdown of the Northern rulership.

Tafawa Balewa - Hausa
Yakubu Gowon - Angas
Murtala Muhammed - Hausa
Shehu Shagari - Fulani
Muhammadu Buhari - Fulani
Ibrahim Babangida - Gwari
Sanni Abacha - Kanuri
AbdulSalam Abubakar - Gwari
Umaru Yar'Adua - Fulani

In the civil service corps, Northern technocrats are typically Kanuris, followed by the Fulanis, Gawris and Hausas are negligible in that rank.

The politics of the Kanuris is a mirror image of that of the Yorubas, it is predictable and run on internal competition, rather than external extortion. So in thinking forward to the 2015 landscape the focus need to be on the Fulani and their tactics. Fulani politics is hinged on enforcement! They believe it their birthright to enforce their way of life and social outlook on any territorial front in which they seek dominance. They use fear tactics to clear the field and subdue their opponents into surrendering their conscience to the will of Fodio's jihadi legacy.

Bokoharam will be alive and active as an instrument of political thugerry in 2015. It's role in 2015 will be different from its role today but not totally disconnected from its objective of transforming the Northern polity. There is another instrument of thuggery employed by the Fulanis. . . and is called Miyetti Allah. This is the association of cattle nomads.

The attacks by fulanis on different ethnic groups and in different territories of this country, while on the surface may appear isolated and on individual basis, is actually a systemic push coordinated with a central voice and intent to use scare tactics and oppresiion at the local level to forcibly bend the will of the Nigerian opposition so that the fulani ethnicity is feared and revered as an insurmountable enemy and one too powerful to contend with. This myth must be demystified.

We know for a fact that people in the South fear the fulani dagger. He just needs to unsheath it and people start running and locking themselves behind their doors. On their own land, a people in plenty is therefore subdued and forced into retreat by a pair of dagger wielding, scrawny looking fulani nomads.

They used this tactic in middlebelt, in West, in East, in southern fringes of Kaduna, Bauchi and some other Christian areas of the North. I am yet to see them use it in Kano, Katsina, Sokoto, Jigawa, Kebbi. . . . .and they graze in these fulani states just as much in non-fulani ones but what will explain the disproportionate attacks in non-fulani lands while their own states is preserved?

Towards 2015, we need to come up with a strategy for killing the fulani myth and supressing their violent tactics.

More to come. . . .

Dede, your psychoanalysis of my comments in no way disproved the valid points and my conclusion that East is a victim of its own playbook. Review your political tactics if you want to win the championship and stop expecting your opponents to tackle softly so you can outscore them.

Boy your claims are false. There was a thread about Yoruba civil wars which I followed closely. That thread brought out the best Yoruba brains and you were vissibly missing. There is this chap called Coogar, he rqually did well though he was not nominated. Jarus would have been the best candidate for this role but he has pulled out.
I will now go for Katsumo, though Yorubas here do not know where he comes from. Am sure Katsumo is not my friend from Ghana called Quarcoopome-a teacher at Ibadan who knows Yorubaland more than the Yorubas.
As for DayoKanu, the role of a sports liason officer will suit him most. If its acertained that Kats is actually Yoruba, then let us give it to him.

Andre,

Out of all discussions and debates on Yoruba history and culture is it any surprise that the one an iboman would follow closely and use for reference is the one on a CIVIL WAR? lmao!!

https://www.nairaland.com/newpost?topic=909679

please relocate the above topic from politics to sports. Thanks :-)

Moderator, please relocate this sports discussion to the proper section.

Lots of thoughtful inputs suggesting a reinvention of the wheel. Not that doing so is bad, but without eliminating the root cause of why Igbo has been kept out for this long, the reinvented wheel will work for a while and then in the long run end up in just the same dead corner that you find yourself now.

I am sure the North and the West are sensitive and they understand the situation and can reasonably comprehend the injustice of presidential politics without Igbo people. However, which one of you know for a fact that Hausa/Fulani will yield the spot for an Igbo president to emerge or that Yoruba will sit out a turn so an Igbo person can become president? It is not going to happen! You, ndigbo must not ask for any of the other people to sit out their turn or yield the spot for you; that will be a hopeless expectation. Ndigbo have some strengths but you also have some weaknesses and unfortunately politicking happens to be one of those weaknesses.

Ndigbo or the East has produced more vice presidents and senate presidents than West. So in actuality, you had been in executive power far more times than West. . . . so what has prevented your emergence into the top position? I refuse to believe that the North and West colluded to block your entrance, you were already in.

West has produced only one vice president and its the same person that has been recycled twice as president. Sonekan was an interim president and his term was short lived. West has never produced a vp under a civilian regime for any of the republics since our independence. So in actuality if any region deserve the presidential spot in 2015, its West, barring which the vp position must come to West irrespective of which non-Yoruba zone produces the president.

. . . .so, truly, ndigbo needs to search inhouse and pinpoint what you are doing wrong. Why are you so close, yet so far away from the top?

hahahaha. . . . this topic is funny!!

. . . that's like saying appointing NOI to be President of BP so she can break British control of the oil company.

miseducation of black Africans!!

It is shameful that PDP will make this accusation.

First and foremost, this act is student exchange between two Yoruba cultures for better understanding and cooperation for our commonwealth. wetin consern PDP? We can send students to Brazil, Puerto Rico, Cuba, America, Haiti. . . . anywhere in the world where the Yoruba spirit and culture and philosophy is actively and prevalently observed and recognized as a mainstream and official way of life and sprituality.

Aregbesola has not done anything wrong or acted counter to the provisions of the Constitution that guarantees and protects the right for cultural development and religious practice. ACN is a national party, this student inter-exchange was not carried under the banner of the party but as attested, Aregbe is the sponsor of the programme and it is on record that the sponsorship is older than his governorship. So what's the hoot and holler by PDP for? **Fire on the mountain. . . . . cry! cry!! cry!!!**.

The identification and resurgence of ethnic pride in Nigeria is not new! Arewa, Biafra are two examples of ethnic people that have hoisited a flag, composed an anthem, drafted a constitution and created a republic coalition. So what's new when Oduduwa put its flag, anthem and constitution on facebook? Why is PDP distressed over what Oduduwa is doing?

Blackpikin, tell your fathers and uncles in PDP to suck it up and go sit on a nail-embedded throne.

This interview is a full 40mins long, broken into two parts. Part 1 is 33mins and 2 is 37mins. There are controversial points in this interview and I cant give everything tonight but here is the introductions into the interview. I will continue tomorrow and get everything out and put here for you.
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Program Host:

May Peace be on all of you who are tuned in and listening to our broadcast at the present moment as we bring you our program “kowane tsuntsu”. Kowane Tsuntsu as you all know, is a program featured to invite important personalities of the society to come and share with us their views and opinions about our society. We announced in our schedule today that we will have the honor of hosting Hajiya Maryam Abacha, God willing! May God give her the will in our session of this interview as we converse with her.

As you all are aware, there is familiarity about Hajiya Maryam Sanni Abacha, she is the widow of former Head of State, Late General Sanni Abacha. May God give him rest and forgiveness!

Well, today we will be conversing with her to get her views on how they managed the events of that period.

Hajiya, before we enter into the main headings of our conversation, Freedom Radio welcomes you to our studio

Hajiya Maryam Abacha:

I thank you!

Best Government Regime award goes to who, . . .Abacha you say

I will agree on Buhari anyday, but Abacha?? mahn, don't make me vex with you! >: