it is very well possible that edo/bini people use the one identifier "edo" for itself, but historically and culturally, lagos royalty does not recognise an edo beginning for itself at all. it will be wrong to call lagos royalty edo, it is not...linguistically, culturally or customarily.

PhysicsQED:

Closeness in some aspects of culture between linguistically distinct groups isn't going to mean the names are going to be indistinguishable though, even if there is some overlap or some names that are hard to ascribe definitively to one group alone.

but yoruba and bini are not linguistically distinct. the land belongs to edo but the crown is no doubt yoruba. the situation you have in bini between land/throne nativity is repeated in itsekiri and lagos as well.

i will accept the lagos kings have bini names but reject that they have edo names.

fulani emirs are not hausas but their ifficial language is hausa. they dont own the land but they own the throne.

bini is an outcrop of ife. edo has nothing to do with ife...different people and culture. that they speak edo in bini court does not in anyway make it a non-yoruba throne.

lagos is an outcrop of bini (not edo). lagos has nothing to do with edo. that the language of lagos kings is yoruba does not change the fact that the throne and crown belongs to bini.

net-net, ife, bini, lagos.....are all in the same fold and yoruba.

so if Omo n'Oba is the crown head of bini throne and a bloodline of Ife, then by extension all bloodlines dotted line to Omo n'Oba are also of Ife, regardless if they speak ibo, jukun, edo, or whatever else. contradicting that will be like saying since fulani emirs only speak hausa, then they are hausa bloodline and must not be traced back to futa, their ancestral home in old massina.

all the kings from guobaro to dosumu were given bini names. they in turn gave their own sons bini names. the closeness in yoruba/bini language and culture makes it hard to discriminate the names.

are these bini or yoruba?

ashogbon
sogunro
obanikoro
modile
saba
oluwa
onisemo
onisiwo
oluwo

i wish it were that simple. this guy opened his post for astrological inquiries, lets not derail it with mystical revelations.

fellis, have adex do your chart reading for you.

alhj,

its hard to tell which of the names is yoruba and which is bini because of the closeness of the two cultures itself. Akinsemoyin, Eshilokun, Idewu, Akitoye, Dosumu, Akiolu....these are all bini names. Long after Ado the bini names continued even though the bini direct dynasty ended in Akinsemoyin and the Ijesha bloodline and dynasty started in Olorogun Kutere (bini name)

physics,

the Ado here is not the Edo you are talking about. The Ado meant here is in the name and not in the ethnicity. Aisikpa and Guobaro is correct.

i cant believe that eating amala is leading a 6page long discussion......with two page long deletions and censorships.

toyinrayo: Na wa o,

they've kashed me again.

I give up.

Na daily banning on NL

I'm done.

Kai!!

Pesin no fit chop amala in peace.

I don use 4 IDs on this thread already.

its a relief to see toyin again.....been so long!

*Ileke-IdI:


There are already several Nigerian restaurants serving amala in Miami.

I should know come by, let me take you to my fave spots

Na Nigeria's favorite food nau

oh sure....when people ask me what is nigera's national ffod i tell them "amala".

*Ileke-IdI:
Lawdddddd, now I want to chop some amala.

Must cook me amala tonight with okra and iru soup.

Dayokanu, you're wicked. Why post a pix like that if you ain't gonna share

ileke, can you please open an smala fast good joint in miami? it will help lebron james win next championship.

mekussays: NAIRALAND gives ues a sense of how Nigerian actually think. So there r people actually supporting this unprofessional behavior. Well i knw why cuz many will do the same. I understand what the poster meant that the whole room will be smelling of fish and soup. he should have simply gone somwhere else to eat or close his door and not attend to people for the 20mins he needs to eat.

The picture of the westerners eating pizza is a meeting or sort where all of them are having lunch so its wont disgust any1 and they are not attending to any1. This cant happen anywhere is the western world as they have a room where they eat.

NAIJA NEEDS CHANGE OF MENTALITY

this idea of "smelling of fish" does not hold water in a nigerian context at all.

in oyiboland they dont cook their seafood throughly, claiming that it deprives the food of nutrients. the half-cooked seafood therefore retains its sea odor and is pungently offensive. therefore it is common to see that in america or europe raw seafood or meals prepared with seafood are not popular for close space consumption.

in nigeria our meals are cooked thoroughly and spiced snd seasoned nicely that it (the fish) gives out a nice aroma when stewed. it is appealing, not repelling.

therefore any and all idea of a foul smell in connection with seafood is cultural and foreign to the nigerian soil.

dont claim for us what is culturally not ours. our people dont cook smelly fish.

Ngodigha,

congrats! so, which one of your protege is on this shuttle?

Samchelsea: well you don't have to get me wrong cos I'm only saying my personal opinion which as at the last time I checked has no crime attached to doing so

ooh yes, you have commited crime against his humanity with your comment. your opinion is an infringement on his rights to eat and survive and guess what, .... a complaint will be filed with the UN commission on human rights to the effect.

dk, thsnk you for those pics jare. i think deepsight is usually very balanced in his views but he went gross on this one.

we are in the age of "brown bagging".....fast food lunch on the go and productivity at a high rev. pizza at your desk, chinese in your cubicle, subs in the conference room, amala in the registrar's office. c'mon!

Samchelsea: Some comments here shows that Nigeria still has a long way to go......must he attend to people when eating?, so if someone gives him a white paper to look at he will use the same hand to collect it? If he can't then he should have told them to wait outside when he is through he'll attend to them or if you go to a bank and the cashier is eating and attending to customers how will you feel?
P.S nobody says he shouldn't eat but he should act in the right way

what is the right way to act?

there is no conflict between eating and attending to work. people all over the world do it. naija and our inverted sense of academic and professional excellence.

heres a picture of the girl they kidnapped.

Deep Sight: You know, it is still amazing, although we all know it - how Nigerians simply lack any sense of customer service whatsoever. It can be bad even in the private sector, but is always massively worse in the public sector. The public service and civil service are just. . . . wow.

Here's a tiny example. About 2 weeks ago I went over to the High Court of Lagos State at Tafawa Balewa Square; Lagos Island. Having practiced as a lawyer there several years ago, i already knew the court had many improvements (there is also a new Multi-Door wing at the rear); and there had been many other modern improvements. When I left practice about seven years ago, I was already very pleased with the many gradual improvements at the court. Not just structurally but also in terms of process and practice and the rules of court.

There has been a general effort to improve the processes of the court. For example the new 2012 Rules of Court have introduced a compulsory Alternative Dispute Resolution Mechanism to see if cases can be resolved amicably before being assigned to a Judge.

You can therefore imagine my shock when I entered the office of the Chief Registrar; and came upon the sight of one of his officers eating a meal of amala and fresh fish (stinking to high heavens) right there in the court office - whilst attending to lawyers and litigants.

This is something that Nigerian civil Servants do A LOT and with impunity and its simply totally unprofessional and disgusting. I was totally ashamed.

I decided to do some "sleuth" journalism and so I managed to sneak a shot of him with my phone in the dastardly act.

Here is the s.illy fellow -

deepsight, c'mon bro!

i know your benchmark for customer service and professionalism in this report is in reference to the customs in foreign lands but Americzns do eat at their desk while providing service. im left to wonder if it would be different if he was eating mr biggs instead of amala.

manny4life:

Discussion or debate are pretty much same thing, to some extent, what we have here on NL does have the debate concept but for it to be called "debate" we need structure such as "time limit", "focused sub topics", "Q & A", "polling" if necessary etc. We achieve the same desired results when we argue here (discussion), but structure makes it different.

Well then, personally, I think we should go for a real debate with structure but at same time, certain things need to change.

you responded well and i will say, again, that the original vision had strategy but that vision was lost. we balled in; and are now talking process.

let's position the horse infront of the buggy..... there's need to recommit the vision and the structure that you talk about should be formulated on that goal.

what is the goal and will the outcome of this debates serve as input to something else upstream or is it an end in itself (a proving ground of some sort)? Jarus, in his opening to the project had a nice advertisement of the objective. why did we divert from that objective?

the debates need to be unique and non-traditional ..... completely upscale and different from our everyday shout and holler madness in the regular forum.

would you guys please leave the police alone

Ngwakwe: There is nothing like "Black Arabs"

Arabs are Colonial Masters from Arabia while Black Africans have been brainwashed and subjugated to forget their root using religion and the prophets.

arabs are not from arabia. the root of arab is yarab who was a yemeni. the settlement of his descendants in the land brought about the name arabia. the conquest of the turks and alexander the great playedmajor part in population dispersal and redistribution of demographics.

as at 1930, what is known today as israel was non existent and the population of the land was berber nomads (brown skinned natives) today the land is white out. in few years to come people like you will say thete is noyhing like brown skinned israelites.

Ngwakwe: There are about 800 Ethiopians of Jewish decent that are presently christians which the Government of Israel approved their emigration in 2012.

If it is Government policy to reduce their population, why continue to bring them to Israel officially by Law.

...because they need population for unskilled labour and lower income bracket to uplift the native jew

c.fours:


yea true. but jews have an air of self-righteousness about them. Anyone who who disagrees with them is automatically labelled as a nazi or anti-jew etc.
the hypocrisy stinks to heaven *pinches nose*.


"Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

in some parts of the western world you can blaspheme God and suffer no consequence....but if you blaspheme jew you will be tried for crime (anti semitism has been inserted into their penal code).

Austine.E:
...racism is a global thing and nt just particular with Isreal,in many countries is carried out quietly,some systematically and in some others is a little more pronounced!Even the Arabs see black Africans as slaves,in Sudan conflict,the supporter of APC arab militias will cross over to sudan to assist their brothers in ethnicly cleansing the black muslims of Darfur!they believe that black muslims do nt have the right to a ascend to certain level of authority in life,that blacks are meant to remain in perpetual servitude!

this is not true. Sudan has the highest population of black arabs anywhere. their leadership and elites of sudsnese society are as dark as KANURIS. you find black arabs in sudan, qatar and yemen. the rest of the arabian countries are descendants of andalusian arabs and ottoman turks.

c.fours:
in other words, only white jews are allowed in israel.
igbo "jews", sorry, I think you are out of luck

igbo jews are lighter in skin tone than ethiopians. the ethiopians will not face this discrimination and will be accepted if they were as light as the. igbos. where are the biafrans to speak up, am i lying?

^^^ this is not an "if" situation. in pragmatic matters of governance, pdp already failed the test.

this is a follow up and not the opening, you need an update dude.

The Peoples Democratic Party has said it is saddened by the long absence of the Governor of Enugu, Mr. Sullivan Chime, and his Taraba State counterpart, Mr.  Danbaba Suntai, from their duty posts due to ill health.

But despite their long absence, the party said it was happy with the way the leaderships of the party in the two states had carried on government activities without any rancour.A statement signed by the National Publicity Secretary of the PDP, Chief Olisa Metuh in Abuja on Monday, also commended the acting governors, party chairmen, Speakers of the Houses of Assembly, state caucus members, members of the National Assembly from the states as well as government appointees in the states for holding forth and ensuring smooth running of government affairs in the absence of their governors.

Metuh, in the statement, said the fact that government activities were going on smoothly in these states showed that PDP governments “have direction and focus in line with the manifesto of the party to ensure the welfare of the people at all times.”He said, “We want to commend our party leadership and government officials in Enugu and Taraba states, the acting governors, the Speakers of the Houses of Assembly and other state caucus members and government appointees in these states for holding forth in the absence of Governor Sullivan Chime of Enugu State and Governor Danbaba Suntai of Taraba state, who are out of the country for medical attention.“The fact that government activities are going on smoothly without altercations shows that the PDP governments in these states, and indeed across the country have direction and focus, which is to ensure the welfare of the people in line with our manifesto.

”He said that the party was deeply saddened by the fact that the governors had been away for health reasons Metuh also thanked the people of the two states for their steadfastness in praying for them adding that with prayers, they would soon return to work.

Are you all now able to see that PDP is behind Chime's disappearance? Listen to their reluctant accountability of his whereabouts, given after pressure from ACN.

thanks!

im an expert on biafra and i can tell you that biafra will happen before another ibo become president in nigeria.