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logicboy,

what is your idea of human life? in other words, what do you know about it and how deep is that knowledge?

hello Jesoul,

it is nice to see you again dear:-). i am warmed up by your kind words and invitation, and oh yes, MA is still on my mind! i was in Pittsfield last year but on a touch-and-go mission, flew in and flew back out all in a 5hr assignment.

well, why do you hold so much faith and convinction in a theory that has yet to be concretely and undisputably proven to be the beginning of mankind and all of universe, or as you said.....a phase in a multi-faceted long and perpetual existence?

believing in the bible and its creation story is also a faith.

the biblical story is practical and can be demonstrated in its truth, whereas the big b.a.ng exist as an abstract and a reproduction is impossible.

i took notice of your last paragraph. this is attunement........a recalibration, reconcilliation and synchronization of a phase to an earlier form or benchmarked origin. this is an admission that something is wrong and a correction is needed to right it. but if the origin is all a speculation and unknown, then what existence of a "known" time of 14billion years ago are we correcting back to?

attunement in the bible is approached differently, the outcome of it is known!

plaetton: BS.
Read in spirit rather than in text?. Big BS.
Where have I heard that before?

What would have been the purpose of writing it in language since we need to read it in spirit?
Why couldn't the omnipotent writer have just simply imprinted the words of the bible in our spirits, rather than wasting precious time putting on text, what should be read in spirit?.
Absolute nonesense.

In other words, what you are saying to us here is that the bible is faulty, misleading and contradictory because it has undergone numerous translations, and therefore no one in his right sense should take it seriously, and that we should read in spirit(using our imaginations, hallucinations and delusions) and make things things up as it suites our personal needs?
This is what I think you are saying in a nutshell.
And you know what?
I cannot disagree with you.

I always find it very very hilarious to see you guys pull out the spirit card when you run out of air.

NB:
Once again, I feel compelled to correct you that the bible did not have an Aramaic beginning.

i will defer response on this issue until we resolve the big b a ngg theory.

plaetton: Comprehension problems?.
What a dumb dumb!
Ifeness did not say it was a volcanic eruption.
She/He only used volcanic eruption to describe explosion and scattering , and later accretion of matter to form stars and planets.

Any primary school student should easily understand this.

explosions are created from unstable conditions. what instability led to this explosion?

pagan,

it will do you good to acquire new knowledge about religion, paganism, idolatory, polytheistic and monotheistic and as well spiritualism and humanity.

1. religion = worship
whatever you worship, that is your religion., no more no less!

2. paganism = religion of self-manifest

3. idolatory = religion of outer-manifest

4. polytheism = religion of God the Only and God the many

5. monotheism = religion of God the Only.

6. spiritualism = religion of creation

7. humanity = attunement.

if you need me to clarify any of these let me know.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]Xerxes,Cyrus : Persian Religion & Mithraism.

Alexander: Greek Religion

The Pharaohs: Egyptian Religion


All of the above were Pagans.[/quote]what is paganism?

chime is not in hospital and he is not sick. the dude was kidnapped..

davidylan: I'm sure there are a thousand other threads you could be on... no one is forcing you to read the bible or talk about it. enjoy.

i really don't understand how atheists profess themselvea as intellectuals and critical thinkers but when challenged with critically provoking ideas the fall short of their calling and default to anger and tantrums. is this what you've had to deal with here?

ifeness: The creator you are talking about must be a physical and biological being...to be able to have a relationship with matter. The genesis account in your bible is a reference to biological beings who ones came to this planet to mingle with humans. Apparently they came to re modify them- the word REPLENISH was used which meant REPOPULATE. LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR OWN IMAGE. Certainly a lot of them. where did your God come from?

That was from the bible you read every day. To get a better understanding,you need to read and study other ancient books and civilisation because they Explained better than the bible.

Your god is an EXTRATERRESTRIAL! Many of them actually

ifeness,

i read through the responses and in due course will be countering the various anti-biblical points brought up but your many responses are very provoking and should be addressed first.

i usually prefer to discuss the bible with people who are thouroughly versed not just in the bible but in all the manuscripts and scriptures of God worship. i say this for many reasons but for the purpose here i want to draw out the significance of what you said above and tell you frankly, that your understanding of what the bible is and the message contained in it is wrong.

those who teach and instruct on the bible.....the pastors and the bishops and evangelicals have done a very poor job of representing the bible.

all the scriptures and manuscripts of worship, except the bible, continue to retain their authentic tongue and are taught and instructed in the language in which they are revealed. their customs, creeds and rites of worship are native to their land of origin......except christianity!

the bible has gone through diverse translations from its aramaic beginnings to the point now where it is totally conflicted in many of its literal meanings.

the text of the bible in english says something different from the meaning in aramaic or even hebrew. this is observed only in its text. at the spiritual level, the bible is uniform in its message throughout mankind.

so you should be open minded to read and understand the bible in its spirit rathern than in its text. biblical texts in its non-original tongue is a handicap to man and insulates him from an optimal intimacy with his God......an encounter of closeness originally intended for him in the aramaic revelation.

did these people of earlier ages ....xerxes, alexander, pharaoh, cyrus.......did they have a religion or a belief system?

this question is consistent with the theme of this discussiion. dont give up, answer it.

plaetton: I agree 100%.
Xerxes and Alexander are well known and accepted historical figures. There are not picked from the religious lores/myths of any tribe.
That is the point I have been trying to get across to you.
Moses,Noah and the 10 commandments do not fit that criteria. They are contrived from the patch patch religious myths of an ancient tribe.

You are free to choose figures and events that have a historical validity.
That's all.

......did they have a religion?

1. what is religion?
2. pre-mosaic and the ten commandments what religion did the cultures observe?

it is a step in right direction to see that we have an agreement ....this discussion will therefore be open, broad and challenging of previously held concepts.

@ thats an old picture, Chime is not sick and ia not in any hospital. that picture was staged to give authenticity to the "Chime is sick" story.

plaetton,

critical thinkers are non-conformists....they reflect, ponder, weigh, contemplate, imagine..... so far, you have displayed the opposite of these traits.

i am a student of truth, in chase of scholarship and enlightenement. none of the true philosophers and theologians on record used calendar dating to anchor memorable events in their works. they all without exception used personalities to mark time and events.

......in the time of Xerxes
......during the reign of Alexander
.......in the war of King David
......in the year that Pharaoh honored the King of Abyssinia
.....in the journey of Attacus through the deserts

time markers were developed as a standard so all record will have uniformity of reference point. this does not necessarily mean that the event they relay is truthful and neither does it mean that it is false. numeric dating is nothing but a unit of measure. so chill your ego and stop betting all your hands on what you call " historical validity".

at best, date concepts are a theory. it is an approximation which holds to the understanding that in absence of anything else which could serve as a physical evidence of X, Y and Z being present at A, B and C at a time P,Q and R, a time factor of G,H and I is assigned and authenticated as place holders for the event. soon as an evidence is unearthed which changes any of these variables, then their relativity to one another is recalculated , locked and indexed as a new age or time marker or reference point.

you cannot say, in the threat of a dangling sword overhead, that an event assigned a 4000bc or bce indeed happened in that year. there was no calendar or virtual time machines in that age. the people of that time relied on true representation of time and days.....the "sun" and the "moon" and their accompanied seasons to share of the glory of mankind.

the unit of dating and time measure we use nowadays are valid and handsomely beneficial for our age. when we go back into the ancient archives it is not at all misguided to fall back to their time and date standard for written record. nothing is more truthful and valid than that.


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Logicboy03:


Heard of Kanem borno?

Heard of the history of igbo people?

yes i have heard of them.... and yes i understand what you meant and where you were going with the suggestion. it is nit picking for me to be stressing on the brand rather than focusing on the substance. however i feel the need to make a point that you and plaetton are commitig the exact same error that you are pickig through on my position.

if pre mosaic does not convey an idea consistent with the timeline of what came before ten commandments and what evolved afterwards, and i need to be specific and mention whether this was babylonian, mesopotamian or egyptian in order to be understood by people qho pride themselves as academician and critical hinkers.........then i dont believe they in turn have the privilege to brand kanem bornu or igbo antiquity as a nigerian culture of 4000bc.

there ought to be protocol of understanding on how broad or narrow this discussion should be. it cannot be narrowed at your convenience but broadened for your opponent.

you feel me?

Logicboy03: Sorry for the insults



Nigerian history has been dated to beyond 4000bc. Jewish history starts after then. Pagan idols/utensils in Nigerian were dated to such times

you cannot come up with a credible history line for nigeria pre 1914. do you see how. things get tangled up when relating historical timelines?

berem: Am trying to figure out too. with all the polymonikers i wonder what use it is. just a waste of megabytes.

dont worry, we are building database for your identity card.

....oh, forgot to vote.

the one and only omo onile...Yoruba

haka_nai,

thank you for bringing that list my brother. i almost lost my eyes scrolling through to read each one....thats too long! do me a favor next time you post list of nigerian tribes, put them in categories and save people their precious vision. there are only two....do you hear me?

YORUBA and others!

Logicboy,

you are frothing dayam too much.

1. if your protege meant BCE, as opposed to BC, the academician in him would have been alert to not trip the fuse and contradict his own earlier response faulting my position on biblical characters. He clearly meant what he said with the use of BC....and discredited himself. thank you though for the damage control....but be mindful of the biblical saying that; "let him cast the first stone who has not been guilty of the same sin". lol!

2. you said nigerian history is older than the bible. i need you to clarify this claim.
(a) do you mean it is older that the written record? or,
(b) that it is older than the historical events narrated in the bible?

3. VERY IMPORTANT: this is probably the first time we are encountering one another in a discussion. be civil....cut out all that insults and nonsense. I will overlook it for now but i will not accommodate it further without a fiery response.


Plaetton,

i go back to my original response which you picked on to start a derail. if i say nigeria pre-bokoharam, it should be clear without the need at first to give granular instruction that this is a delineation of timeline....viz, a restive period and a terroristic period. so i shouldn't have to break nigeria into colonial period, first republic, military coup, war, reconciliation....etc, to present at the entry point of a discussion everything that i intend to share. a discussion is an interactive participation, not a speech. you give a broadview, step back and let your opponent seek clarification or counter the point. you return with more context...and as the back and forth gathers its momentum the depth is revealed resulting in an enriched and enlightened discussion. i don't do copy and paste. i come with stamina and enough steam to outlast you in a debate on religious belief or lack of. i hope you have steam to withstand the mental pressure. now i will restate my first post.

the sacrifice of jesus, the cross, the walking on water are all symbolic and have a deeper spiritual meaning than mere physical senses can perceive and understamd. many of the themes and symbolism and mysteries of Christianity are remnants of Jewish mystical practices which were adopted legacies of pre- Mosaic times.

davidylan: You simply responded to my post WITHOUT a shred of thinking. I was not in any way endorsing Negro_nts post. I'm 120% positive nohadic times makes zero sense.

My post was a simple retort on the sheer hypocrisy of folks like you snarling about throwing around words with "context" and "broad academic meaning". Your ranks are heavily populated with people who merely throw around internet memes, plagiarized links from atheist websites, youtube videos, meaningless scientific terms you cannot explain and skeletons all WITHOUT broad academic meaning. When we ask, all we get from you is "go and read".

I'm sure if i asked you a simple question based on your post it would be very apparent that you dont understand the times you babble about either. If google/wikipedia didnt exist i wonder how many of you would last 2 days here.

The one who wants to throw stones should make sure his own isnt built of glass...

oh and by the way, negro_nts isnt christian. You should not jump to conclusions before you have properly researched your subject... one would think a self-professed purveyor of the scientific process would know that.

i deliberately use "uncommon" terms in my discussion for the very reason you pointed out in the bold above; to lure these so called "search engine intellectuals" out of the comfort of google and stress-test their thoughts and insight unaided.

if i had used 20,000bc he can easily probe google to respond.....but when i use something like pre-mosaic he had no valid response..... i wonder if google did not tell him that BC is the same as Pre-Christ.