bigfrancis21:


You started out well and would have given you the thumbs up for it until you resorted to insults.

However, many Binis insist that the word 'oba' is a bini word. I don't understand all the fury hauled at me for mentioning something some Edos actually believe themselves. I am not Bini neither am I re-writing your history but there are some words which their origins are in contention.

Another Bini writer that writes on the possible Bini origin of 'oba':


http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/edoculture.htm

The Binis have every right to their cultural assertion and historical beliefs.

The Binis had Ogisos before the Oba Eweka and the very first Ogiso was Obagodo, meaning that the usage of Oba in Bini kingdom long precedes the time of Oba Eweka, related to the Yoruba monarchy.

cc: NigerMan1

you didn't say the word was in contention in your post, rather you states it as a matter for fact................ don't be a coward pls.

bigfrancis21:


You started out well and would have given you the thumbs up for it until you resorted to insults.

However, many Binis insist that the word 'oba' is a bini word. I don't understand all the fury hauled at me for mentioning something some Edos actually believe themselves. I am not Bini neither am I re-writing your history but there are some words which their origins are in contention.

Another Bini writer that writes on the possible Bini origin of 'oba':


http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/edoculture.htm

The Binis have every right to their cultural assertion and historical beliefs.

The Binis had Ogisos before the Oba Eweka and the very first Ogiso was Obagodo, meaning that the usage of Oba in Bini kingdom long precedes the time of Oba Eweka.

You are not only a bigot but a coward.

Your initial post was you making an authoritative statement and you had to include your obsession with Lagos in it.

You could have stated in your initial post that there is another school of thought as to the origin of the word "Oba". But NO YOU DID NOT DO THAT , rather you came out gun blazing as if you are actually setting a record straight.

Of course some bini scholars have a different view on the Yoruba/Bini history. That does not give you the right to quote a counter claim as authoritative source on factual matters.

I think my intelligence and mental expectations of you are too high.

bye

firstEVA:
Hard core thugs are good for boyfriend, loving calm and level headed guys are good for husband. So you can friendzone him in the interim pending when u are ready for marriage. Don't let him go completely.

#My two cents

Now this is experienced advice

Enough of the shenanigans,

at OP that's for the thread, I learnt quite a few new stuff her, no thanks to the tribal mod

fastestfinger:
keep quiet? So, he shouldn't air his views again just because he is a MOD?especially when he is trying to effect some corrections to subtle attemps to distort history? You need to stop muzzling people to tow your line of thought...it's actually okay for someone to hold a different opinion from you.

Actually difference in opinion is good.

However making a false statement as truthful factual is wrong.

In this case, Mr. MOD is the one trying to distort facts of our History.

Kelklein:
There has been a media frenzy (both print and online) following the tribunal judgement in Taraba celebrating Senator Aisha Alhassan as the first female governor in Nigeria.

I want to quickly correct here, for the sake of education, that she is not the first female governor Nigeria has had. The first female governor was Virginia Etiaba of Anambra state.

According to Wikipedia, Dame Virginia Ngozi Etiaba was the Governor of Anambra State, a state in south-eastern Nigeria, from November 2006 to February 2007. She is the first female governor in Nigeria's history.

You can read the full Report

IGBO MAN INSECUIRTY IS LIKE CANCER

mama Taraba is the first elected female governor in Nigeria

should we say it again.

The emphasizes is on ELECTION OF A FEMALE TO GOVENORSHIP POST

bigfrancis21:


My being a mod has nothing to do with the discourse at hand. My being a moderator does not elevate me to any higher status than you already are. Neither does it mean that I cannot come in to correct an impression where necessary. We are all here to learn and I am free to debate freely with anybody on this forum so far as the debate is conducted within the rules of this forum, which I have always done. So please, drop all that moderator talk.

Anyway, I am not Bini or Edo. Let NigerMan1 himself take the debate from here.

Yet you didn't address the disconnect I pointed out between your initial post and the source you are quoting. you are a bigot even if you don't realize it, in your subconscious you are a bigot that's why on reflex you make silly comments to attack yorubas without even knowing it.

bigfrancis21:


My being a mod has nothing to do with the discourse at hand. My being a moderator does not elevate me to any higher status than you already are. Neither does it mean that I cannot come in to correct an impression where necessary. We are all here to learn and I am free to debate freely with anybody on this forum so far as the debate is conducted within the rules of this forum, which I have always done. So please, drop all that moderator talk.

Anyway, I am not Bini or Edo. Let NigerMan1 himself take the debate from here.

Your are making a fundamental false statement and backing it up with a worse source, even worst than wiki.

Being a MOD places higher responsible on you and I believe you should be smart enough to know that

bigfrancis21:


I believe that you are an adult and you are capable of holding a debate without resorting to insults. You live in a foreign country and I expect better etiquette from you.

What makes him ignorant? You do realize now that I wasn't just making up things for myself and actually had a source? You think I just wake up one morning and say things?

Your source is a tribalist forum attacking anything everything Yoruba.

Because you read something online doesn't make it a fact, that you of all people should know.

I forget you tribalist always believe what strokes your emotions.

bigfrancis21:


I asked you for evidence but you cannot provide any, other than the repetition of what you have been told since childhood you have come to believe as true,

And the only evidence you have is this: OTEDO.COM

bigfrancis21:


I am not misinforming anybody. I have evidence for what I had said:



http://ihuanedo.ning.com/forum/topics/why-yoruba-never-had-an-empire-but-civilized-by-benin?groupUrl=healtheducation&x=1&groupId=2971192%3AGroup%3A14663&id=2971192%3ATopic%3A124153&page=1

I am not derailing the thread and, just like others, only corrected some of the words the wordlist the op provided. Others, Urhobos I believe, have corrected him on some of the words he listed as Urhobo to not be Urhobo words but gave their actual Urhobo words.

Anyway, I have made my point.

You should be ashamed of yourself as a MOD, seun please how can you make this tribalist a MOD.

Your sources is from a website that is everything anti-Yoruba.

Leaving that aside, what is the correlation between this two.

From your initial post:

Ancient Yoruba kings were never addressed as Oba but were known by their various territorial titles such as alaafin of xyz, ajuwale of abc. We begin to see the appearance of Oba in Yoruba land after the Binis conquered Lagos and installed an Oba of Lagos (mind you this Oba was a Bini Oba, not a Yoruba Oba, ruling over Lagos) after which the usage of 'Oba' began to spread over Yoruba land.


Now the source you quoted says this:

(8.). "Oba" is a word adopted from Benin and not Yoruba as many made us to believe. There is no king of Yoruba's people. and if there is, what was his title?;how many Yoruba prominent traditional leaders/rulers carried the title Oba? since when?.if Yoruba calls their king Oba,it doesn't mean we derived our king's name (N'Oba) from them. Everyone has a name for king in the their native language/tongue. The Oba of Lagos is Eleko of Eko not Oba, the British change it to Oba. the Origin of word "oba" is Benin


what is use of this "the Binis conquered Lagos and installed an Oba of Lagos" in the context of your source "Eleko of Eko not Oba"

you are shameless tribalist

you are really dumb THOUGH cause the reasonable question is, are we are to believe Oba is a Bini WORD( EVEN THOUGH THE BINI PEOPLE DONT CLAIM IT TO BE SO) because of this "British change it to Oba." and your ignorant and hate filled sources concluded without any eveidence in the write up "the British change it to Oba. the Origin of word "oba" is Benin"

Like Ilekeh ASKED, one day you Igbo people will say Eko is an Igbo word

IlekeHD:


I think they vote on it. There's a moderator forum that nonmods can't see..

Seun how did this tribalist become a mod? You might as well make me a mod in the politics section.

Seun please make Ilekeh a MOD, you have nothing to lose. If The ignorant person I read his post on the second page can be a MOD.

At least we know she is smart.

One day an ignorant father will tell his children OBA is not a Yoruba word but a Bini word,

15 years later, the ignorant father has transfer his ignorance to his next generation, the ignorant adults will begin to argue with other enlighten people that they know for a fact OBA is not a Yoruba word.

Such is the situation we find ourselves with these people.

bigfrancis21:


@OP...Jesu, Omo and Oba are not Yoruba words. Jesu is derived from Jesus and cannot be considered Yoruba in anyway. Jesu is only a localized adaptation of the Jesus name in Christianity amongst Igbos and Yorubas. Jesus Christ is Jesu Kristi in Igbo as well.

Omo is common to Edo languages, Urhobo, Isoko, and Yoruba and cannot be said to be derived from Yoruba specifically.

As for Oba, I think you are looking for the origin far beyond where you should. Oba is a Bini/Edo word and NOT a Yoruba word. Ancient Yoruba kings were never addressed as Oba but were known by their various territorial titles such as alaafin of xyz, ajuwale of abc. We begin to see the appearance of Oba in Yoruba land after the Binis conquered Lagos and installed an Oba of Lagos (mind you this Oba was a Bini Oba, not a Yoruba Oba, ruling over Lagos) after which the usage of 'Oba' began to spread over Yoruba land.

You also forgot to include that 'igho' is similar to 'ego' in Igbo for money.

In a very informative thread such as this, this post will qualify for the dumb-mest( if there exist such a word) post in NL today. coming from a MOD I am shocked.

Whoever paid your school fees, go and return it, you are not very smart. I am saying this with all sense of responsibility.

ubecharles:
. Shatap, and stop exhibiting your ignorance out of your pathological hatred for Igbo. You should be have that you are being linked to the most advanced, most accommodating, and most intelligent tribe in Nigeria

This chestbeating is what I find confusing about Igbo people.

You cannot FORCE people I repeat FORCE people to want to be associated with you.

This is why say if Biafra is declared 90% OF THE SS WILL PREFER TO STAY WITH THE WEST.

You have no respect for other people wishes

IlekeHD:
Yoruba people, una fall my hand.

How can you sit there and let one Igbo non grata mod rewrite your history.

He even said "omo" and "Oba" arent Yoruba words.

Seun see ya life. Is this really your agenda?

No bastard can rewrite Yoruba history, I was going to doing panelbeating of truth into the idoit head, but then some more lenient Yoruba already did it.

9jacrip:



Olodo ni bobo yi o

And I heard this guy is a mod, really?





Bros you make sense, make I add:


Ancient Benin/Edo used Oghiso, not Oba.

Prior to Oduduwa, Ife (Yoruba) had several hamlets all headed by Kings. The lineage of these kings are still in existance and these kings still play the role of controlling their hamlets with Ooni being the overall head thereby reducing them to what seems like 'Chief-King' status.

Some of these kings before Oranmiyan was born or even went to set up Oba Benin in Benin Empire were: Obalufe, Obawinrin, Obalaaye, Obatala, Obadio, Obaloran, Obajio, Obalurin, Obanurin, Obalale, Obalesun, Obalejugbe, Obalepon the list is long, I'll stop here.

From the above, tell me how 'Oba' which means 'the person overseeing, sitting, lording over everything' is a Benin word again. And how Yoruba supposedly borrowed it from Benin and used it for many centuries before Oranmiyan went to give Benin 'Oba of Benin' dynasty.

That Big fornothing Francis no sabi anything at all.

Thanks for clarifying it for the guy, I was shocked when I read his initial post. Na wa........

Even the bini man will not cliam Oba is a Bini word

bigfrancis21:


@OP...Jesu, Omo and Oba are not Yoruba words. Jesu is derived from Jesus and cannot be considered Yoruba in anyway. Jesu is only a localized adaptation of the Jesus name in Christianity amongst Igbos and Yorubas. Jesus Christ is Jesu Kristi in Igbo as well.

Omo is common to Edo languages, Urhobo, Isoko, and Yoruba and cannot be said to be derived from Yoruba specifically.

As for Oba, I think you are looking for the origin far beyond where you should. Oba is a Bini/Edo word and NOT a Yoruba word. Ancient Yoruba kings were never addressed as Oba but were known by their various territorial titles such as alaafin of xyz, ajuwale of abc. We begin to see the appearance of Oba in Yoruba land after the Binis conquered Lagos and installed an Oba of Lagos (mind you this Oba was a Bini Oba, not a Yoruba Oba, ruling over Lagos) after which the usage of 'Oba' began to spread over Yoruba land.

You also forgot to include that 'igho' is similar to 'ego' in Igbo for money.

I hope someone has corrected the misstatements here regarding the use of the word OBA

1.How will Igbo people remain in the SW

2. Will the SW grant Igbo automatic freedom of movement in and out of the both regions

3. Will the South South form its own country

4. Will Nkechi still be able to attend the schools in the west?

Omololu007:
a lot of yoruba guys don fvck that kalu gf,back then in UI

You just have to say it....

Codedb2:
'Op what about her?
Ejikwa ahu?

Hail Biafra..lol

Give them Biafra

All hail Biafra.....

lol......

I am particularly happy the Igbo are shouting for Biafra.....

Please let them go to war.

On a lighter note, this is Mrs Kanu

You know what will be nice, let them do it in lagos and abuja.

Good morning guys.

Having breakfast and well heading out soon.


See you guys latter in the evening with more pictures.

meccuno:
guy calm down na.........the embarrassment is getting too much.......I saw a documentary of SA in the 1920s and they where already a developing Nation, while Nigerians where still swinging on trees......

That's not nice.

Rossikk:


Thank You. You should have said this earlier and saved us all the headache!!!!!

Bro I really have moved from funny shenanigans.

I am to rich for that and too broke to be an Internet warrior insulting people about.

Money must be made.

My point has been made, we have the big gdp and remained backwards. That's the anomaly called Nigeria.

But I believe we will get it right, the truth will set us free soon.

So a nairalander sent me a message to post more pics.

I will.

Why I love my country.

So before we continue, guys tomorrow.

iterator24:




if you're ready to sort my rent, no yawa

Basic hotels is about 950 ZAR, when I move to other cities and I get to your city let me know.

good night bro