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kabe1:
Cheaper definitely, better definitely.

An ideal CAS platform should be able to provide Recon, CAS, Network Centric (Commanders in Maid should be able to see the targets in Gwoza), and Air Interdiction.

The A-10 can only perform two of the above roles while the A-29 can perform all of them.

Kindly highlight which roles the A-10 cant perform in before i burst your bubble...what will be the use of the the commander barking orders in Maid when the probability of the platform returning to base is low in the first place

iblawi:
I don't know why you think you're better than everyone here.

If you were intelligent, you should be looking into why everyone is against your idea. Instead you're trying to force your crazy mentality on every other person here.

Im not intelligent than everyone else however our priorities vary and i dont follow the bandwagon...i have a mind of my own ....did i put a gun to head to force my crazy mentality on you abi what is this one capping?

abbati19:
You won the argument sir, I am here to learn, the US is considering replacing the A10s because most CAS platforms ( A10, A29 Tucano etc.) cannot survive in high threat environment, so they might use their F35 fighter for CAS instead which have a much higher chance of survival. Though in a lot of articles they said it clearly is not a direct replacement for the A10, and they are still worried that in the future might need a dedicated CAS platform. And the US is definitely considering a turboprop to use too just like us in Nigeria like sir Kabe pointed out tucanos can perform most of the role of the A10 at a much cheaper price in maintaenance and operations.
I never said the F35 cannot perform CAS, almost all fighter jets that can do strike missions can do CAS just may not be as effective as a dedicated CAS platform like A10.

Its fine we are all here to learn,the US has numerous platforms to choose from however the Tucano wouldnt even be a option for the US cos they have many alternatives,Sir Kabe point is not a point for me...its like the same we see everyday of NA troops going to front lines in light skinned Toyota Hilux now having an alternative to buy an armoured Ford F15 but keep on saying the Hilux can do the work of of the Armoured F-15 of course it can,in terms of safety ratings it doesnt come near,in aviation safety is top priority.

kabe1:
The idea of the A-10 is outdated. The A-10 was designed and built for killing Soviet tanks, however in today's environment it will struggle against manpads, network air defense systems and EW interferences.

The A-10 will not do better than the current platforms we already have in service. It is an expensive aircraft to fly, it's availability is also be suspect in a Nigerian environment.

The A-29's are better for the roles we need, the M-346 which will replace our alpha jets and L-39s also are superior to the A-10.

Like i said earlier its suggestion is for COIN operations in the first place,last time i checked the insurgents in Nigeria dont have the capabilities for manpads and air defence systems yet except there is some news i been missing

The A-10 will definitely do better its cost around 15k USD per flight hour and since its not a commercial aircraft i guess this is fair enough besides the insurgents basically cant tell the difference,to them any aircraft is suspect anyway so makes no difference.

The A-29,s has a longer loiter time than the Warthog ,the Warthog has superior firepower than the A-29,the L-39s are no way superior to the Warthog,the are trainer and light combat aircrafts,the Warthog is a full combat jet.

abbati19:
https://www.sandboxx.us/news/f-35-versus-a-10-showdown-revived-as-new-documents-come-to-light/

“The ability of the F-35 to replace the A-10 has never been demonstrated,” he wrote. “Further, Air Force leaders have yet to take even preliminary steps to prepare their F-35 pilots to perform the most important combat role with which they have been entrusted.”

That’s not how the Air Force sees it, though. Last year, Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall called the A-10 “an old aircraft” that was “not survivable against modern threats,” joining the service’s yearslong call for the plane’s retirement. Kendall has since added that the aircraft “doesn’t scare China.”

These statements get to the heart of the greatest tension in defense planning and investment: should services continue to spend on what they know has worked in past conflicts, or pour resources into the tools and systems they believe will serve them well in the future. The F-35 is built for standoff missions against sophisticated near-peer foes; it’s not made to specialize in dogfights or close air support. The war in Ukraine illustrates the challenges of close air support on a modern battlefield where both sides have effective anti-aircraft weapons. Yet critics of the move to retire the A-10s rightly point out that having no direct replacement leaves the U.S. military vulnerable if an operational need for close air support does arise.

The Air Force’s current plan has all A-10s headed to the boneyard by 2029. The newly public flyoff report makes clear that the move leaves many questions unanswered about what will happen when the era of the Warthog ends.

First i debunked your statement that the F-35 cannot perform CAS operations,the F-35 is multirole and can effectively perform CAS operations now u are trying to shift the goalpost by posting an article that is saying something different,basically the US doesnt have insurgency issues within their borders so most of the pilots havent been trained on how to use the F-35 for CAS,thats what the article is saying to break it down for you....The owner of something is saying he want to replace A with B you are here crying...go hold am for hand naaa.

abbati19:
US military replacing A10 with F35? completely different aircraft one meant for air superiority and strike missions, while the other is meant only for close air support. The US Military is not replacing the A10 (at least not with a similar plane) but they are considering using something similar to the tucano for CAS (Textron's AT-6 Wolverine) which is much cheaper to operate and maintain. AH1Z (this is the most advanced version which the marines started flying in 2010) is one of the most advanced helicopters currently in the world.

Basically i hate to argue with ITK,s like you,the F-35 is a multirole aircraft i just sent you the screenshot from the USAF themselves,or probably you are the JCOS chairman in the US so u know better right,this is a public forum,try to learn about stuff first before displaying your ignorance,dont let your fingers be faster than whats between your ears.

iblawi:
Bros forget this argument it's not selling.

Looks like the rant of someone bereft of any more points or ideas

Faithful007:
Bruh thats around the same cost of operating an F16.

It's way more expensive than running an A29

Oh well its slightly below the running cost of a F16 However the F-16 is way more pricey to acquire than the Warthog

Exnavyboy62:
Yeah, right, whatever. The Nigerian Airforce will not be getting the A-10 Warthogs whether you cry about it or not. Why I said it shouldn’t be purchased because it’s not multipurpose…?? Did you give thought to long term use of procured platforms...?? This is 2024, literally anything can happen.
Nigeria is almost surrounded by foreign military bases of major powers. Take for instance the installation of S-300 air defence systems in Niger. Who knows why they are there…?? But let’s assume the Nigerien military government employed the help of Russian forces or Wagner PMC to protect the government from being overthrown, If we had the A-10 Warthogs, and the president decides to proceed with the ECOWAS intervention against military rule in Niger, how are the pilots supposed to protect themselves from incoming air defence missiles…??
Speaking of outdated, if upgrades can keep a 1980s aircraft fit, why then is the US military replacing them. They could have continued with upgrades and kept on flying them. It’s as if you are saying, Nigerian Airforce should keep on flying its alpha jet fleet. As long as they get upgrades, they are good to go. In 2024, dey play.
And what was it you were saying about genocidal cases in the Nigerian military…?? You think the US cares about Nigerian military casualties…?? The same US that has been delaying the delivery of the AH-1Z attack helicopters despite the pleas from Nigerian officials that it is required urgently…??
If the US didn’t sell the A-10 Warthogs to some of their allies who were interested in buying especially NATO allies, you think they will sell it to us…??
Even if they sell it to us, they will still dictate how it is used. 24x M346FA jets and 12 A-29 Super Tucanos, Insha Allah no breathing space for insurgents.

First point is that i never said its multipurpose,i said it will be a game changer in COIN operations,so this your multipurpose of a thing is totally off point,the A-10 still has potentials on long term use in terms on counter offensive operations in conventional wars if literally anything happens as this is 2024 because the A-10 is still a legendary MBT and armored vehicles destroyer.

Take for instance the installation of the S-300 defence system in Niger,by your assumption that Nigeria decides to proceed with the Ecowas intervention what advantage does the 24xM346FA jets and the 12 super Tucanos over a fleet of Warthogs in enemy airspace.

The US military is replacing them by the F-35,and they are doing this not because they have become obsolete,there are debating in congress about whether to donate a few to the Ukraine military and sell the rest,some congressmen want them still in service,some want them sold,so your idea of them been obsolete is far from it.

Oh so u are crying about the sales of the AH-1Z Viper which is at least a generation older than the Warthog now yet you are saying Nigeria doesnt need a much more legendary battle tested alternative....once again dont forget to highlight what advantage does the M346FA and the Super Tucano have over there Warthog

jl115:
There are better and cheaper CAS platforms

Cheaper of course..better in CAS roles maybe not..however thats just my own opinion...which better ones if u dont mind me asking?

Exnavyboy62:
Nope, the Nigerian airforce doesn’t need this. it’s outdated, it is not multipurpose, it can only carry out ground attacks. Cost of maintenance is expensive. There will be a lot of restrictions on when, where and how the Nigerian Airforce can use it if purchased.
24 M346-FA jets will be delivered to the airforce soon, they can make do with that and the Tucanos on ground. Even the US is not willing to sell them

The idea of it been outdated is a joke on you,have u ever heard of the word upgrades,The Abrams MBT was produced in the 1980,s just like this airframe produced in the 1970s and the Abrams is still in use in Ukraine as i type this,the reason it is been decommissioned is because it is been replaced by the F-35 Lightning multirole jets,the cost of maintenace is low perhaps lower than the super Tucano at just 20kUSD per flight hour,it is clearly stated in my prior statement that is would be a game changer in counter insurgency operations,never said its multi purpose....(or do insurgents in Nigeria now have superior airpower?)if it is to be decommisioned then the US would be willing to sell a few to willing nations of course,in the case on Nigeria,we have genocidal cases against the military however with some diplomatic intervention we should be able to get it.

davefurn:
Dey play

Dey play how......do u have any opposing submission....blurt it out....what is this dey play supposed to mean,when topics above your paygrade are been discussed you can either learn or go and help mummy to pick beans..choose one

kabe1:
What advantage will this provide us over the current capabilities we have, especially when we already have a Squadron of A-29 Super Tucanos?

The advantages are enormous.

The most remarkable advantage of the Warthog is that the cockpit is protected by titanium aircraft armour so it has the ability to survive under intense ground fire compared to the Tucanos hence increases safety of pilot and flight control instruments.

It carries a 30 mm Gatlin gun and it is the heaviest automatic cannon ever mounted on an aircraft which means the Warthog has superior firepower compared to the Tucanos

The Warthog has a munitions payload capacity of over 7000kg the A-29 a munitions capacity of 1550 kg which means it has the ability to carry different types of armaments compared to the Tucano

The Warthog is also faster than the Super Tucanos as it has a maximum speed of 706km/h,the Super Tucanos have a maximum speed of 590km/h

GeneralFarouq:
Operatinal cost , I am not referring to purchase cost pls.

Its cost only 20K USD per flight hour so u can do the math on how cheap the operational costs can get

GeneralFarouq:
Check out it operational cost, and you will be wowed

Give or take 20 million USD are u saying Nigeria cant afford say 40 million for 2.....besides these birds are about to be decommissioned so it might be sold for lower with some diplomatic intervention i guess....basically im not wowed..it is what it is .

This would be a game changer if the Nigeria Air Force can acquire a couple of this platforms especially in the fight against insurgents

Shattuck:
omo means child in Benin, an oba is not a traditional Yoruba word,it is a borrowed word from the Benin kingdom, omoN oba N edo means child of the king of Benin, if oba means king in Yorubaland how come non of your king bear the oba as title? Except the oba of lagos who is a descendant of the benin kingdom, you claim ife gave Benin a king, how come ife has never been ruled by one lineage or family even since ancient times, it has always been rotated, even in ife today the kingship is been rotated. How can you give people a monarchy when you don't even know who your monarch is?

There is no Oba of Lagos...its the Eleko of Eko...what is the meaning on Lagos in Benin Language?

Kilonslehe Shey na like this we go dey they

INDOMIE9090:
western Nigeria television service(now NTA),was owned by western region before it was hijacked to become federal government property in 1975,it was the first Tv station in Africa lunched in 1959,when Awolowo brought TV station to Ibadan,your ancestors were still walking butt naked in the jungle.
A simple google search will prevent you from this public embarrassment

Bros dey calm naw i was even hyping you in a sarcastic way...

flokii:
First TV Station in Nigeria.. Ibadan

First University in Nigeria... Ibadan

First University teaching hospital.. Ibadan

First skyscraper in Africa (cocoa house).. Ibadan.

Ati be be lo..

Which Kano was more developed?.. E be like say you dey smoke igbo.

You are a bloody liar..first TV Station in Africa...

Knowsme:
Make some buy me food abeg, mango wan wound me.
Na mango I deh chop since Saturday n I never chop any solid food.. Abeg a good Samaritan should help a bro. Have mercy

Chai i miss naija mango ooo,can we trade places

Babtunz:
Look at you laughing at your own ignorance. Very bold of you to call Animal Breeding and Genetics a yeye course.
AFAIK, that school is the only one that offers this course in the whole of Nigeria for many years. Don't really know about now though. Do you even know the limitless career prospects in Animal Breeding and Genetics? I see you're not informed so I'll take my time to enlighthen you.

As he is, he has equal chances with someone who studied Microbiology, Biochemistry or Genetics to proceed and obtain a Msc or PhD in genetics-related fields. Talk about molecular genetics, human genetics, computational genomics, bioinformatics, medical genetics, etc etc.

So you see, sometimes it better to just keep quiet and learn instead of making statements that make you sound unintelligent.

You dey mind am,Genetics is perhaps the hardest course in the college of Agric from my own experience

This case is as watery as kirikiri beans,the technicalities are faulty,an helicopter can fly as long as the SOP is followed,checklist done and parameters of visibility and wind speed are met,as long as they were cleared by ATC for take off then they have nothing to hold the charter company for,if an aircraft runs into IMC(instrument meterological conditions) during a flight its obviously not the fault of the charter company,Its akin to hearing the weather forecast for the day as sunny for example in Lagos,then an accident happens on the Lagos Ibadan expressway,then the victims family are blaming the bus company that he should not have travelled since he knew it would rain,of course even weather forecasts are not 100% accurate,what they can hold on to is for example the training of the pilots,airwothiness of the aircraft or make investigations about the company itself and find some dirt to hold on to,the defence would be a walk in the park in this case.

steeltrust:
oga no de talk nonsense
Na Watin happen for my eyes
We did it at Walmart station
Oak lawn Chicago

If you de doubt na you con know
E no concern me

Dey whine yourself....... how much is a gallon in Chicago that u will buy full tank for 13USD....u sef check balance am naw.

steeltrust:
very convenient
Google the car
It fuel efficient
It more like the Toyota Camry or Corolla

Full tank can carry my wife for 4 or 5 days cause she doesn’t go out more other than house to work and back

Oga u can't spend less than 40 USD to fill up a Chevy Malibu or did u mean 30 USD?

steeltrust:
when many of them talk nonsense about abroad I look at them and laugh
My wife drives a 2022 Chevy malabu
It takes only 13$ to fill up the tank
That about 13-14k naira
But for naija if I no hold 40k I never even start

Naija isa dead country I swear

$13 to fill up your tank in the US....how convenient.....miracle no dey Taya Jesus .

MySolace:
Certainly u should go back and check. Dey never hush. Dey've always fought back.
US was loosing much money in aids, billions of dollars, so they thought it wise to back out since dey've fulfilled their pilot mission..@killing Osama Bin Laden.

From the day one the fight started in 2001, the Talibans never rested.
They have been fighting....and there has been call for negotiation by the US.


U seem to b just talking about the troops. Am majorly talking about the diplomats.

You mean they have been fighting back till power was seized from there and paved way for democracy…how convenient

Of course guerilla tactics,suicide bombing isn’t easy supress totally,but they were weak and had no choice than to relinquish power to a new government.

Moving the diplomats was an after thought after the Taliban seized Kabul and that was after all the troops had left.

MySolace:
Yes I said command... Wrong in my own part.
U said dey had left, wrong in your own part.

The real point now is, Talibans took back their country, and toppled the Democratic government set up by US still under their watch... So,, why didn't d US and their troops fight the Talibans wen they toppled the Democratic govt dey already installed? Let's presume they've all left before the toppling happened, why didn't dey come back to address it?

My argument, u shouldn't form kingkong in another man's land. The people should b able to choose wots best for dem and practice.
So am saying in all sense, that France should obey the current military reign in Niger and leave their country.

Dude the US had already made a decision to leave and they have been at it for 18 months,it was the US that toppled the Taliban and did a transition to democratic rule under the nose of the Taliban,why did the Taliban have to wait till the U.S. have left before they started to fight back?

MySolace:
It's a big lie. Go back and check it out once more.
Dey were still around although evacuation was ongoing...
Before there eyes, a democratic government got toppled as the Democratic leader fled. Even US troops got killed too.

Talibans took over and even attacked the troops...

What am I even trying to say? ...U don't foist ur form of government on people. Afghanistan is an Islamic state and u can't come and b governing it in Western way. U're just wasting ur time cos u will surely get tired!

No matter how much the US tried to tame them, dey never still yielded. Since 2001 US toppled the Taliban government because of Osama Bin Laden, there identity didn't just die. They fought through those years till dey got back their due sovereignty. I mean, it was clear to the US they couldn't keep wasting their time cos Talibans can't yield.

Your earlier statement was that it was the Taliban that commanded the US to leave but now u are saying evacuation was already going on.

That’s an indictment on yourself because if it was the Taliban that commanded them there would have been no ongoing evacuation in the first place,mind you the US exit In Afghanistan took over a year and it was a well planned evacuation which had a deadline date

MySolace:
No time to waste on educated illiterate either.

Wot exactly is ur argument here?

Dat US didn't respect d Talibans by leaving there country peacefully? Or that d US didn't leave due to emergence of the Talibans?

Ur head needs to b washed with coconut water, no offense. Just being concerned.

The US left and handed over to a democratic government it was after the U.S. left that the Taliban toppled the democratic government,hope I have made myself clear.

AlphaHakimi:
Children should be birthed within the confines of marriage. Stop advocating for rubbish. I'm not attacking the single mothers themselves. I'm only against the act of birthing children outside marriage. ERROR HAS NO RIGHT, BUT THE MAN/WOMAN IN ERROR HAS SOME RIGHT.

With this your mentality, young girls will feel that birthing children outside marriage is good.

Stop premarital sex. Stop accepting money or financial aid from men. Stay stay chaste until you get married.

A large majority of the dysfunctional people you see today lack the presence of either parents while growing up.

If you like, encourage your sister's or daughters to become single mothers and then tell them that the kids may likely become noble prize winners tomorrow.

Single mothers are also victims of irresponsible men but your bias has only laid the blame on the single mothers

Children should be birthed in the confines of marriage agreed guys should either abstain or use protection same goes for ladies as well.

My mentality is not to encourage single mothers and not stigmatize them either,do u realize there are single mothers who deliberately want to be single mothers,they can’t stand the rigors of marriage but just want to have kids then play around,personally I don’t like it however it’s their choice and life,only feel for the kids involved.

However there are also some ladies that are victims of irresponsible men who took advantage of their emotions or naivety so the blame goes to both partners.single fathers too should share part of the blame,you kept ranting about single mothers in your first post without going hard on the irresponsible guys too.

If u like encourage your sons to stigmatize single mothers without teaching them to be responsible men and see if winning a Nobel prize would ever come into fruition.

AlphaHakimi:
Victim mentality.
Tell me what is good and honorable in being a single mother(except a widow). When you hoe around during your prime, you expect a man who has worked his ass off to come and marry you as a single mother. What happened to marrying the father of your child?.

A single mother is equivalent to mentally retarded broke man. The same way you view such men is the same way men view single mothers.

Avoid premarital sex, avoid collecting any form of material or financial help from a man. That way you will be young and pure and men cannot give such conditions as stated by the OP.

The mentality of your likes about single mothers is surprising to me,single mothers are people with flesh and blood like you,they might have made mistakes,everyone does,however their kids are also blessings in the disguise if properly nurtured,that single mother you are saying is equivalent to a lunatic yen yen yen might be the mother of a Nobel prize winner or a billionaire tomorrow,there are lots of single mothers I know doing very well financially that they might not even care to get married again afterall they have kids already just get a toy boy to play and enjoy life.