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IslamRe: What I Observe About Muslims In Nairaland. by Nezan(m): 5:14pm On Jul 16, 2009
alimat 2:
Muslims please must u respond to every post? i think silence should be the best answer for posts of this nature
grin grin grin
IslamRe: Sir Olabowale Lets Discuss Aisha's Age by Nezan(m): 5:08pm On Jul 16, 2009
olabowale:
Oh sorry, its the Bible that will be equal to it! My bad. lol. So if I use the same level of analytical reasoning, on the Bible as to the ahadith, then I will find that While Jesus did not say that he was God the Creator, it is the same that Muhammad (AS) did not say Aisha (RA) was 6 or 9 years old before he married and consumated the marriage. Just like Jesus said that I and God are one, since he was the representative and the speaker for that God at that time, is the same way that Muhammad's statement about young girl did not mean underage, prepubertic female.
You can call the Bible what you like-a hadith or whatever, but the fact remains that we christians can never deny part of a Bible simply because it failed to butress our point in a particular argument, because the words contained therein are sacred.

I also told you at a point in another post that we Christians dont consider the Bible in bits, it flows.

While your hadiths proved that Aisha was a baby at that time of marriage, you are finding it hard to accept.

Pity.


olabowale:
Do you read english at all? Does it mean that a girl who has not menstruated has not reached Puberty? What if she reached it in the middle of the month, and her menstrual circle is just in the next 5 days, after she reached that pivocal milestone of maturity? The only sign of maturity if you even streamline it to menstruation, id just the confirmation of it, when the pd is experienced. It does not mean that she just reached it at that time, in the same sense that when a woman gets pregnant, the sign of pregnancy is what follows. The pregnancy did not just start when she felt the sign(s)! Thats the case of your misread of non menstruating as being underage.

When i realized that I had sperm, I whad experience that my voice was already broken, long time. I already saw signs of hair in my private parts. The sperm just confirmed it, but was not the start of my being a man instead of being a boy!
This has no bearing on the abrogations in the koran. I cant see how they relate at all.
PoliticsRe: Why Is The Federal Govt Killing Tinapa? by Nezan(m): 1:53pm On Jul 16, 2009
Pity angry
FamilyRe: Please Help I Dont Love My Wife by Nezan(m): 1:50pm On Jul 16, 2009
beingme:
why would u marry someone u dont like? Why did u marry her? Sort urself out man
as simple as that
PropertiesRe: Lagos Lawmakers Disagree Over Tenancy Bill by Nezan(m): 1:49pm On Jul 16, 2009
Divab:
The government should led by example, Those that make the rules shld not break it, Let the government build houses, flats, shops and let it out on 3mths payment basis & stick to the implementation plan, Enforcing whatever bill to landlords will make a little sense,

Also paying 2 yrs rent in lagos state is rather high but monthly payment is crazy, Our economy has not developed to that point anyway, I suggest one yr or 6 months payment with appropriate measures to ensure evacuation if there's a default. paying 1yr rent keeps one's heart at rest in cases there's loss of job or source of income,

Before the govt, big boys enforce these rules or Bills, they shld weigh both sides of the coin, its not a matter of passing bills or a lets do it again thing but successful implementation which will benefit landlords & d tenants,
grin
PoliticsRe: Fresh Plot To Unseat Bankole by Nezan(m): 1:46pm On Jul 16, 2009
Nezan:
e be lyk say dis one na rumour. How come dem neva start de impeachment process?
PoliticsRe: Do You Believe In Free Healthcare For All Nigerians? by Nezan(m): 1:44pm On Jul 16, 2009
tensor777:
Does nigeria even have reliable census figures and a detailed population database which would ensure intelligent health care budgeting?

By the way, where is the additional revenue going to come from. Somebody here mentioned 10,000 naira per head a month.
This translates to £480 per annum which is just a little less than the current per capita income!
This is even without taking into consideration all the building and diagonistic equipment costs
grin grin
FamilyRe: What Makes A Good Wife? by Nezan(m): 1:40pm On Jul 16, 2009
Martayano:
Sacrificial Love, Commitment, Understanding + God's Grace = A Good wife.
smiley
yes
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Changes Defence Minister After Mend Attacked Lagos by Nezan(m): 1:38pm On Jul 16, 2009
Horus:
Yar'dua should be replaced by Mend. grin
angry
PoliticsRe: Alao Akala Awards N25m For 5 Public Toilets. by Nezan(m): 1:35pm On Jul 16, 2009
Nigerian politicians and money thieving, na wa! angry
PoliticsRe: Fashola Warns Mend by Nezan(m): 1:33pm On Jul 16, 2009
ayodot:
just like dog that as tasted blood this mend boys have tasted money so all the so call negotiations will hardly be fruitful.
let the government just carry the airfighters and drop some foreign cakes into the dirty creeks and just waste them all.
Since the inception of there fake struggle, I have never heard that part of the ransom they have been collecting is used for any form development or aids any part of there community .
grin
Christianity EtcRe: Td Jakes An Igbo Man by Nezan(m): 1:29pm On Jul 16, 2009
;d ;d
CelebritiesRe: Your Best And Worst Nigerian Comedian? by Nezan(m): 1:27pm On Jul 16, 2009
I dont giv a damn. All man dey look for bread
EducationRe: MPCE Resulta are Out! by Nezan(m): 1:21pm On Jul 16, 2009
JustGood:
Did you guys really write the University Matriculation Examinations?
oga, u no see say na MPCE no be UME?
IslamRe: The Death Of Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h): Question And Answer by Nezan(m): 1:20pm On Jul 16, 2009
ahonohai:
@ Debosky
You just dey know?

I thought he had reached rock bottom but apparently, he's been digging for the last couple of days!!!
grin grin grin
TV/MoviesRe: Do Actors Really Cry In Movies? by Nezan(m): 1:12pm On Jul 16, 2009
make-believe stuff
IslamRe: The Death Of The Prophet: Coming Soon by Nezan(m): 12:14pm On Jul 16, 2009
Prophet Muhammad errs not

What about the famed satanic verses?

Bible is incontestanbly interpolated; full with absurdities, contradictions, confusions, etc. Yet, that does not render it wholly erroneous for there are "true" sayings of Jesus

Yet you have not been able to produce the original bible you people claim is in mecca grin grin
IslamRe: The Message Of The Prophets--mohammad, Jesus, The Rest. by Nezan(m): 11:53am On Jul 16, 2009
@Kola_oyole,

and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things

Yes, because of THE HOLY TRINITY dude, check my earlier post on that.

Now, you tell me the origin of the satanic verses in the koran
IslamRe: The Message Of The Prophets--mohammad, Jesus, The Rest. by Nezan(m): 11:33am On Jul 16, 2009
[size=14pt]@Babs[/size],

[size=14pt]After defending my own, can you tell me more about the satanic verses in the koran?[/size]
IslamRe: The Message Of The Prophets--mohammad, Jesus, The Rest. by Nezan(m): 11:29am On Jul 16, 2009
Can you do the 3 days and three nights calculation for me?

[b]The solution is simple when we learn that according to Jewish custom any part of a day, however small, is included as part of a full day. "Since the Jews reckoned part of a day as a full day, the 'three days and three nights' could permit a Friday crucifixion." This phenomena is exemplified in scripture in the book of Esther. "Go, assemble all the Jews who are found in Susa, and fast for me; do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. I and my maidens also will fast in the same way," (Esther 4:16 ). Then, in Esther 5:1 it says, "Now it came about on the third day that Esther put on her royal robes and stood in the inner court of the king’s palace in front of the king’s rooms, and the king was sitting on his royal throne in the throne room, opposite the entrance to the palace." We can see that even though the three days and nights had not been completed, Esther went in to see the King on the third day even though she said to fast for three days and nights. We see that "on the third day" is equivalent to "after three days."

Additionally, Mark 8:31 says, "And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again." Yet, 1 Cor. 15:4 says, "and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures." Also, Luke 24:5-7, "and as the women were terrified and bowed their faces to the ground, the men said to them, 'Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen. Remember how He spoke to you while He was still in Galilee, saying that the Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.'" Here we can see that "after three days" is equivalent to mean "on the third day."

Therefore, we can see that because of the Jewish usage of counting any part of a day as the whole of the day, the term "three days and nights" is idiomatic and not literal.[/b]
IslamRe: The Message Of The Prophets--mohammad, Jesus, The Rest. by Nezan(m): 11:25am On Jul 16, 2009
@Abuzola,

[size=14pt]Jesus came to FULFILL the scriptures, NOT TO QUOTE scriptures[/size]
IslamRe: The Message Of The Prophets--mohammad, Jesus, The Rest. by Nezan(m): 11:20am On Jul 16, 2009
Can you do the 3 days and three nights calculation for me?

[b]In Old Testament the expression “one day and one night” was an idiom used often by the Jews for a day, even when it was applied to only a part of a day. The Jewish reference to this period as three days and three nights is strictly in accordance with the Jewish mode of reckoning. Evening and morning, or night and day, is the Hebrew phrase for a natural day. It was a maxim among the Jews in computing time, that a part of a day was to be received or computed as the whole.

Christ was dead at three o’clock on Friday, they had before six o’clock, three hours to bury Him. After going through the red tape with the Romans it took less than an hour. The Jewish reckoning of time is found in the Jewish Talmud and the Babylonian Jerusalem Talmud (the commentaries of the Jews), said any part, an “onan”, any part of the day is considered a full day. On Friday before six o'clock by Jewish reckoning, any minute was considered one day and one night. From Friday night at six o'clock to Saturday at six o'clock, was another day and another night. From Saturday night to Sunday was a third day. Thus, Jesus was in the grave part of Friday (a whole “natural day”), through all of Saturday (the second day), and from Saturday at sunset a part of Sunday (the third day). Thus, it is likely that the part of the day (Friday) on which Jesus was crucified, the entire day He was in the grave (Saturday), and the part of the day on which He rose again (Sunday), estimated as entire days. The concept of three days would be an idiom, not necessarily meaning 3 full 24- hour periods.

Genesis 42:17 shows us this idiomatic usage was common in their culture. Joseph had his brothers imprisoned for three days; in v.18, he speaks to them and releases them, on the third day. I Samuel 30:12, 13: “For he had not eaten bread or drunk water for three days and three nights,” and in the next verse, “My master left me behind… three days ago.” There are other instances in the Bible in which part of a day is viewed as constituting a whole. For example, the same quantity of time referred to in the Gospel accounts of Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection as three days and three nights, which in reality was only one whole day, a part of two others, and two whole nights, is termed three days and three nights in the book of Esther. Compare Esther 4:16 (“Go , neither eat nor drink three days, night or day . . . and so will I go in unto the king”), with Esther 5:1 (“On the third day Esther put on her royal robes and stood in the inner court of the palace, in front of the king's hall”) this is also found in 2 Chr.10:5, 12; Gen. 42:17-18; 1 Kings 20:29; Luke 2:21.

The Jews were aware of Jesus' prophecy. Matt. 27:63. The fact that the Jews asked that a command be given that the sepulcher be made secure “until the third day” showed that when the Jews spoke of “three days,” Matt. 27:64, they did not of necessity mean three “whole (24) days,” but parts of three days, as was the case of Jesus' lying dead in the grave. [/b]
IslamRe: The Message Of The Prophets--mohammad, Jesus, The Rest. by Nezan(m): 11:05am On Jul 16, 2009
I asked why didnt he wake up the dead when his disciple told him about a dead person but rather told them that they should allow the dead to bury their dead?

Now you are really getting nuts. You mean because Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, he should have gone ahead to raise all dead people when he was on earth? grin

Let me tell you that mo never raised a dead man to life grin

According to you, Jesus should continue raising dead people? Dont worry, He will do that when He comes to judge the world. grin grin



If Jesus could solely forgive sin without God's intervention, why did he say in John 8:28 that "I do nothing of myself"?

That is part of what we have been saying all along, THE HOLY TRINITY, dude
IslamRe: The Message Of The Prophets--mohammad, Jesus, The Rest. by Nezan(m): 10:56am On Jul 16, 2009
He was taken from prison and from judgement, and who shall declare his generation? For he was cut off out of the living

[b]The verse you quoted above is Isaiah 53:8, it finds its fulfillment in Matthew 27:

"Now Jesus stood before the governor, and the governor questioned Him, saying, "Are You the King of the Jews?" And Jesus said to him, "It is as you say." And while He was being accused by the chief priests and elders, He did not answer. Then Pilate said to Him, "Do You not hear how many things they testify against You?"

"But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the crowds to ask for Barabbas and to put Jesus to death. But the governor said to them, "Which of the two do you want me to release for you?" And they said, "Barabbas." PIlate said to them, "Then what shall I do with Jesus who is called Christ?" They all said, "Crucify Him!" An he said, "Why, what evil has He done?" But they kept shouting all the more, saying, "crucify Him!"

"When Pilate saw that he was accomplishing nothing, but rather that a riot was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd, saying, "I am innocent of this Man's blood; see to that yourselves." And all the people said, "His blood shall be on us and on our children!" Then he released Barabbas for them; but after having Jesus scourged, he handed Him over to be crucified." (Matthew 27:11-13, 20-26)[/b]

Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong


This verse is Isaiah 53:12. Beyond doubt, Isaiah 52:12-53:13 refers to Messiah Jesus. He is the one highly exalted before whom kings shut their mouths. Messiah is the shoot who sprung up from the fallen Davidic dynasty. He became the King of Kings. He provided the ultimate atonement.
IslamRe: Sir Olabowale Lets Discuss Aisha's Age by Nezan(m): 10:24am On Jul 16, 2009
You people tend to deny some of your hadiths when it is convenient for you and quote some when it is convenient to do so. Why deny your holy writings? Olabowale is more guilty of this.

You also claim your koran is without error, but when I posted the numerous errors in the koran, your mods will keep on deleting them. So much for your claims angry
IslamRe: God Speaks by Nezan(m): 10:12am On Jul 16, 2009
olabowale:
@Tudor: « #2 on: Yesterday at 06:35:44 AM » Can you imagine how ruthless he would have been if he were not a muslim? I wo omo tudor yi kon ma nsoro shaa nti e ni!
Is it not islam with the promise of 72 virgins that made him so?
FoodRe: Suggested Receipes For A Diabetic by Nezan(m): 10:01am On Jul 16, 2009
Ndipe:
Seeking the opinions of qualified Medical Doctors will be your best bet!
Nigerians don't like patronizing professionals. They prefer cheap remedies grin
PoliticsRe: Nigeria Changes Defence Minister After Mend Attacked Lagos by Nezan(m): 9:44am On Jul 16, 2009
Remii:
Good, now VP, IGP, Chief of Defense staff, Defense Minister are all from Niger Delta. Let see how they would fight there own MEND.
huh
IslamRe: Jarus, Mukina And Olabowale, I Got Your Messages Late by Nezan(m): 6:50pm On Jul 15, 2009
$osisi:
I knew you would do suicide bombing
from the first day you posted here,I saw your delusional soul.
You are not only ready to die for Islam,you are also ready to kill for Islam
anu mpam!
grin grin grin
IslamRe: The Death Of The Prophet: Coming Soon by Nezan(m): 6:47pm On Jul 15, 2009
Abuzola:
Am mad ? Hmmm. No long thing, i have answered it in the question and answer thread. Go there and read it, c'mon don't be lazy
[size=14pt]Are you afraid to post the koranic verse here? grin grin[/size]
IslamRe: The Death Of Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h): Question And Answer by Nezan(m): 6:41pm On Jul 15, 2009
Abuzola:
You can mock our sweety martyr now in paradise, even the Prophet was mocked talk of martyr. Have you ever called Ehud olmert or Aerial sharon or Bush jnr a terrorist or extremist ? God will judge us
[size=14pt]I know in your warped view of paradise, they will be shagging 72 virgins there grin grin Dont weep when you discover them crying in hell. Is that not where mohammed told you that you are all going?

mohammed was mocked because he was a fake prophet with the satanic verses. grin grin

What brings politicians to a religious argument? huh[/size]

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