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Abuzola:
Muhammad and not jesus, muhammad predicted his death. You hear me so

[size=14pt]Now i know you are really mad. Show me the koranic verse that mentioned this. Was it not Jesus all along? [/size]

sley4life:
funny indeed

Abuzola:
They do not kill themselves but die as martyr to inflict catastrophe in your folks myserable life.

[size=14pt]A matyr is somebody who is murdered willingly, pursuing a just cause, not some terrorist killing himself and other people in the name of allah [/size]

Abuzola:
Why don't u go the other thread similar to this, all ur questions are answered, he predicted his death

[size=20pt]Yes, I know Jesus predicted his death[/size]

$osisi:
In case of abuzola,
If the truth of islam is bitter to him,let him leave nairaland or leave Islam.
I'm sure he's seen things that he never knew of.

Its true, he is a young muslim, compared to the other ones and his inability to defend his religion is getting him upset, pity

@Olabowale,

I believe you did not read through my rigorous thesis? You shouldnt have been asking that question.

For us Christians, the Bible flows, that is why you can not take a verse in isolation, the meaning will imply itself from the following verses. That was why Jesus fulfilled the scriptures that were even written in the O.T.

As for abrogation, our God never claim to have three daughters and recanted, show me the abrogated verses and I will open up again on what you muslims hate to discuss- the satanic verses

Your people have been deleting my posts on that, you know?

@Olabowale,
Why do you like derailing threads?
How many times will i tell you dat [size=14pt]al + ilah is not= YHWH?[/size]

Jesus was not forced to the cross, he gave himself willingly, but the point remains that He predicted his own death, why mohammed, being a fake prophet could not.

George_D:
you wan spoil some people business be dat o? how you wan make these govnors
take survive? if you do that it means no more monthly allocations, no more opportunity
to steal. pocket don dry be dat o!

I vote for this thread to be locked

kai, all talk, man don tire

Jesus may have delayed for too long, but do you know when you will die? dont you think your endtime comes when you die? Let's pray that He will not meet as napping, AM EN.

I have always said that retired military personnel makes me feel more comfortable as defence ministers.

Amazing, I always suspected his Nigerian heritage

follow ya mind

Tudór:
Oga mohammed didn't compile the quaran either, infact he was illiterate.
The quaran was compiled 300 years after his death too.

Piracy isn't about writing only, stealing ideas and concepts also constitute piracy.

I do wonder how the mind of an atheist work

hmmm, great advises

muhsin:
@Noetic2 and Nezan,

You guys are not being truly fair. I am kinda disappointed, wallahi.

Haba mallam, be fair. You dont need to be disappointed, at least we are courteous people on this forum.

how he died qualify him as a true prophet or not? I, being a Muslim, have never dispute the prophethood of Jesus, how you claim he died notwithstanding.

You can never doubt the truthfulness of God's son who never committed sin while on earth. Mo on the other hand, committed so many atrocities in the name of religion which imply the God who each represented was not the same. Too many sad stories from mo: Satanic verses, Peodophile, Polygamist, Murderer, Banditry, e.t.c. compared to Jesus's meek and holy personality. Mind you, he did not know that the meat was poisoned until somebody died while Jesus predicted his own death

you imbibe a habit of quoting hadeeth to support your words. Seeing this I sometimes ago asked you a question, which you deceptively escaped answering. Anyway, let me repeat it: Do you believe in what its said in it?

You always qoute my Bible too, do you believe in it? You should because koran is a plagiarisation/distortion of Biblical accounts. I can never trust in your hadiths, just to point out the funny stories about your prophet

I meant that he happened to be ambassador, representative and that happened to all prophets as well and not only him.

Hey dude, stop twisting ur words


You can see that I have taken my time to reply to your questions. Are you ready to answer mine?

You were quick at giving me John 14 v 7 but ignored
the part where Jesus said God was greater than him

We read in John 1:1 that in the beginning Jesus was with God and Jesus was God. There is also John 10:30 where Jesus said, “I and the Father are one.” We can see from scripture that although Jesus is God, just as the Father is God, the Father holds a higher ‘office’ than the Son. This does not mean that the Father is God and the other persons of the Trinity are not. Just as an earthly father is equally human with, but holds a higher office than his son, even so the Father and the Son in the Trinity are equal in essence, but different in function. In like manner, we speak of the president of our country as being a greater man, not by virtue of his character, but by virtue of his position. Therefore, Jesus cannot ever be said to say that He considered Himself anything less than God by nature.

We have verses where Jesus called himself son of man and not God

[b]This sounds like some kind of contradiction at first glance, but in fact there is no contradiction. An examination of Scripture reveals that the phrase "Son of Man" carries broad significance.

First of all, even if the phrase “Son of Man” is a reference to Jesus' humanity, it is not a denial of His deity. By becoming a man, Jesus did not cease being God. The incarnation of Christ did not involve the subtraction of deity, but the addition of humanity. Jesus clearly claimed to be God on many occasions (Matthew 16:16,17; John 8:58; 10:30). But in addition to being divine, He was also human (see Philippians 2:6-. He had two natures (divine and human) conjoined in one person.

Further, Scripture indicates that Jesus was not denying His deity by referring to Himself as the Son of Man. In fact, it is highly revealing that the term “Son of Man” is used in Scripture in contexts of Christ's deity. For example, the Bible says that only God can forgive sins (Isaiah 43:25; Mark 2:7). But as the “Son of Man,” Jesus had the power to forgive sins (Mark 2:10). Likewise, Christ will return to earth as the “Son of Man” in clouds of glory to reign on earth (Matthew 26:63-64). In this passage, Jesus is citing Daniel 7:13 where the Messiah is described as the "Ancient of Days," a phrase used to indicate His deity (cf. Daniel 7:9).

Further, when Jesus was asked by the high priest whether He was the “Son of God” (Matthew 26:63), He responded affirmatively, declaring that He was the “Son of Man” who would come in power and great glory (verse 64). This indicated that Jesus Himself used the phrase “Son of Man” to indicate His deity as the Son of God.

Finally, the phrase “Son of Man” also emphasizes who Jesus is in relation to His incarnation and His work of salvation. In the Old Testament (Leviticus 25:25-26, 48-49; Ruth 2:20), the next of kin (one related by blood) always functioned as the "kinsman-redeemer" of a family member who needed redemption from jail. Jesus became related to us “by blood” (that is, He became a man) so He could function as our Kinsman-Redeemer and rescue us from sin. [/b]

Why did he begged, cried to God to save and his sweat were like thick blood?
Why did he cry that 'Why has thou forsaken me"

[b]This statement by Jesus before his death on the cross shows us two things. Those words are a direct quotation from Psalms 22. Christ himself saw the numerous prophecies about him filling this portion of scripture which was written by David:

His incarnation would enable him to minister to other humans and to become the perfect sacrifice for their sins (22:22; Heb. 2:12, 17).
At his crucifixion, his garments would be divided and gambled for (22:18; Matt. 27:35).
On the cross he would:
echo David’s cry of anguish (22:1; Matt. 27:46)
be ridiculed (22:7-8; Matt. 27:42-43)
suffer the piercing of his hands and feet (22:16; Luke 24:39-40)
be publicly stared at (22:13, 17; Matt. 27:39, 47)
In general, 22:1-26 foreshadows Christ’s crucifixion and resurrection, while 22:27–31 foreshadows his millennial reign.
Psalms 22 was written roughly 600 years before Jesus’ birth. What’s interesting to note is that crucifixion hadn’t even been invented yet. It was the Phoenicians who came up with the mode of execution and the Romans who had borrowed it from them. During the time that Rome occupied Israel, they had used it as the form of capitol punishment for the Jews who had up until that time performed executions by stoning.

Something else about this moment of Jesus’ agonizing crucifixion. In 2 Corinthians 5:21, it says that “for our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” Also in Galations 3:13 it says “Christ redeemed us, by becoming a curse for us.” In other words the only perfect human being who ever walked the face of the earth, the only man who never knew sin, became the sin of the world on the cross. That is what is meant when it is said that he became the sacrifice for us or that he is the lamb that was slain. He was innocent yet murdered as a criminal.

It is written in Hab. 1:13 that God’s eyes are too pure to see evil or to look upon wrongdoing. Therefore, it is possible that when Jesus became sin for the world on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24), that even the Father could not look upon him. It is likely that this was the moment that Christ cried out. I don’t think it is within our minds as humans to understand what this must have felt like. The one man who had lived his entire life in constant service, obedience and therefore sight of the Father, in his greatest service to humanity, was left in utter darkness.

One thing we can say with certainty. We have no ability to even begin to appreciate the utterly horrific experience that Jesus went through on the cross as he took upon himself the sins of the world. There was a physical pain that we cannot even imagine and a spiritual one we can never fathom.[/b]

Why couldnt he wake the dead

[bJesus raised Lazarus from the dead (John 11:14)[/b]

Where did he claim to come and die for your sins

[b]From Adam to Jesus, God sent prophets to mankind, warning them of sin’s punishment and foretelling the coming Messiah. One prophet, Isaiah, described Him:

“Who has believed what they heard from us? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? For he grew up before him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or majesty that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent, so he opened not his mouth. By oppression and judgment he was taken away; and as for his generation, who considered that he was cut off out of the land of the living, stricken for the transgression of my people? And they made his grave with the wicked and with a rich man in his death, although he had done no violence, and there was no deceit in his mouth. Yet it was the will of the LORD to crush him; he has put him to grief; when his soul makes an offering for sin, he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days; the will of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied; by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make many to be accounted righteous, and he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong, because he poured out his soul to death and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and makes intercession for the transgressors” (Isaiah 53:1-12). He likened the coming Sacrifice to a lamb, slaughtered for the sins of others.

Hundreds of years later, Isaiah’s prophecy was fulfilled in the perfect Lord Jesus, born of the virgin Mary. When the prophet John the Baptist saw Him, he cried, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!” (John 1:29). Crowds thronged Him for healing and teaching, but the religious leaders scorned Him. Mobs cried out, “Crucify Him!” Soldiers beat, mocked, and crucified Him. As Isaiah foretold, Jesus was crucified in between two criminals but was buried in a rich man’s tomb. But He didn’t remain in the grave. Because God accepted His Lamb’s sacrifice, He fulfilled another prophecy by raising Jesus from the dead (Psalm 16:10; Isaiah 26:19).[/b]

I asked you to give me where he was conscious of his deity
Could you provide verses where he forgave sins?
Mark 2.5ff: When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven." 6 Now some teachers of the law were sitting there, thinking to themselves, 7 "Why does this fellow talk like that? He's blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?" 8 Immediately Jesus knew in his spirit that this was what they were thinking in their hearts, and he said to them, "Why are you thinking these things? 9 Which is easier: to say to the paralytic, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up, take your mat and walk'? 10 But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins, "--A rather strong statement of divine authority, and the context SHOWS that it was a blasphemous assertion IF He was NOT God!. Notice that He does not answer their charges with a "Hold on now! I am not claiming to be God! I am claiming something less!"--not at all!

Recoverd:
Trust me wen i say most Uniform men and wmen r d most unfaithful persons.

JosBoy4Lif:
why does Nigeria continue to negotiate with known terrorist? na wao!

presido1:
Nigerian is on the verge of disintegration and you are here calling for Marine Force.

Says who?

Frizy:
[size=20pt]Osama is loved by Allah[/size], but most of mankind know not.

In as much as we debate issues here, I wouldn't want a situation where we start pursuing 'naked', a mad man that has snatched our clothes.

I hate joining issues with mentally deranged people.

Let us behave like grown up adults that we are.

otokx:
it is a big pity

LOL