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There is no real authority in nature. We just happen to control most of this planet due to our superior intellect and tool making capabilities. On the other hand we're going way too far in our control of nature. We do not yet know enough about genetics and ecology to rape nature as we do now. Our world may be irreplacably damaged.

goodguy:
What if she's illiterate? Not everyone knows about how HIV is transmitted. So many people think it's just when u have a sexual intercourse with an infected person, then u'll get it.

Wouldn't the doctor have explained it to her already? If she wants to go against the doctor's advice, she shouldn't have the baby in the first place

fabian:
Please let's drop this racism thing, i believe that any one who wastes his/her time hating on the other race is just plain stupid. lets not even mention it here because I want to believe all Nairalanders have respect for other peoples races, relegions, etc.

Okay, let's make that assumptions

fabian:
Back to the topic.
Female circumcision is totally wrong, because its the mutilation of women's genital organs. For whatever reason should that be done? For men, its approved in the Bible- shedding of their foreskin (if you believe in the Bible, that is)
I have heard all kinds of silly reasons the people who practice this give, but the most popular is that they want to curb them of waywardness (i.e. early sexual participation)
Don't they know that it will be better if they[i] taught[/i] young girls that it is better to wait for the right time to have sex and the other disadvantages of unprotected sex, etc.
Anyway, Female Circumcision should be a Punishable offense.

Isn't it already a punishable offence? Maybe not enforced, but punishable nonetheless

@layi

Thank you for your honest response. Could you explain to me what mean by living by it and how that makes you think it's unquestionable?

holyghost:
well i like the way u guys are trying to bring in life to this issue
let me just give a little evidence to spirituality

one is dream, and 2 is intuition the being about expected ending or occurrence just like your formula in maths but mark u. just that it never happing out 100% does not mean it failed.

Dreams are just your brain arranging the information from the past day and storing it in long term memory, rearranging some neural pathways. It uses both collected information from your past and the new information that came in during the daytime. This rearrangement causes you to have weird dreams, of which you only remember the most remarkable ones.

To have anything to say about this we need to know the information content of the dreams, , the ones you remeber and the events with which they correlate. Out of that we need to find out if these correlations are statistically significan to warrant claims of foresight. This has not yet been proven (and it probably won't be proven anyway)

Intuition is usually knowledge that is so well drilled into memory that it becomes part of the subconscience, so you can be surprised with the results because you didn't consciously go through the steps that lead you to that conclusion

holyghost:
some people have a way of knowings of what the future or event have for them
e.g any time i feel hot below my knees i now that i may soon fail sick and within one to tow weeks it happens.

Very well possible, nothing supernatural about it. We may not yet understand the mechanisms, but this does not violate any natural law.

Some people can even feel in their bones when the weather is going to change. It is usually caused by changes in air humidity or air pressure, giving some people a foresight into the weather

holyghost:
have u ever sat down quietly all alone some where in the forest or at the sea or mountain or in the field or just some where alone and you have a feeling that some one is watching, peeping or gazing at u from an angle only to turn to that angle to see the person?

Optical illusions or your mind playing tricks on you. It happens very often, nothing spiritual about it, even though it may seem so

holyghost:
some can do divinations in my place and give names and date to things in future and with time it is 100% right

that would be proof of the supernatural if the occurence of the prophecy were statistically significant. if you can have someone make this sort of claim a few times and record whether or not it happens, I would accept that as proof. (given that this cannot happen by chance)

holyghost:
@Neron even prophecy is spiritual, so what more do u need to prove that we have abstact nature by way of being spirit conscious or sub conscious? even some are active (witch, ghost abiku, obganje) and they have similar pattarns, Probable u did not grow in a typical African village, and some conservative cities like Ibadan Ilorin Enugu Onitcha. note your controlled by your origin and tradition to some extent but in general you have this inpact pure and simple

I don't understand your point here

I honestly don't know what to say about your story. This seems to be very weird. Did the chimney come down in the end. Anyway, is any of this ever recorded? if you were working during the day as well as night, you may have been hallucinating because you were tired or seen things and imagined others due to being tired or maybe lack of food or anything. I don't know the context

Why is there not even one recording of such an event by an outside observer. Your senses can easily be tricked. Magicians give the impression of sawin people into two halves, sticking them with swords and the like without inflicting harm. They're all illusions.

If just one person could reproduce one of these event in front of a sceptic audience, just once> Hasn't happened yet.

layi:
@nferyn

Ur 100$ stake is bogus. I can as well put down 1000$ for you to proove that withcraft doesnt exist.

Why is it bogus? If you mean that I require something tangible and that you think nothing tangible is required as proof, then indeed, it is bogus by your requirements. Maybe I just don't understand what you mean by bogus.

layi:
Lets be more rationale and break this down.
U sure have sum'n you're looking out for...what is it? What kind of proof do u need? Cos its obvious u either do not believe the spirtual or u want it explained with d physical (ridiculous).

Let's operationalize this. Give me a definition of spiritual that makes it tangible and measurable, either in it's properties or in it's effects. We can start from here
If you cannot get to this level, your reasoning is circular: relying on something, the spiritual, to prove itself, the spiritual.

layi:
Nevertheless let the argument begin.
Tell goodguy (us) what kind of proof u need (since u have debunked possible proofs of existence of d supernatural). Maybe we can start from there. U can sure can't tell us to bring photos because then i'll ask u to bring photo of the air u breathe.

There are countless evidences that prove the existence of the air we breathe. Photographing air is like trying to pick up a needle with a bulldozer, the wrong instrument for the task.

layi:
Those who don't believe in witchraft simply says its not logical but whats logical about life if u can't predict tomorrow wit all your "logicalities".

It has nothing to do with logic, evidence of it's effects and an indisputable correlation with the acts of witchcraft will do

joshjosh:
yes go on becuase in belgium everything is great. you missed my earlier post didn't you?

i actually said " mmmmmmmmm if you thought education was expensive try ignorance they say. illeteracy which is not just lack of education is a very cruel thing. it rubs one of dignity and decency. i am not for any form of mutilation

I'm in agreement with you on this - no point in arguing here.

joshjosh:
i am not into hating any race. call me racist as much as u like brother. it is your opinion and i think u are entitled to it. and in my books the white man has no copyright on wisdom and health. not even sexual health.

have a good day

See, just look into your own heart and re-read what you just put here.

1. Racism does not have to be hating, differentiating in thought and action is sufficient.
2. You're talking about opinions, while I pointed out what you wrote can easily be described as racist. You make derogatory remarks based on perceived characteristics of a group, which for convenience's sake could be called a 'race'
3. You assume there are races here. There is only one race, the human race. Among the human race you have different groups that have some visual and cultural markers on a group level. On the level of the individual, this does not mean anything, especially when you are trying to differentiate individuals on that basis
4. There is no copyright by anyone on wisdom or knowledge, it is hear earned through education and experience, but false ideas remain false regardless of their origin. Labeling something as 'white' to avoid criticism is escaping a real debate. Let's just look at the merits of the arguments

joshjosh:
yes go on becuase in belgium everything is great.

I'm sorry... it certainly is not. I [b]hate [/b]the racist tendencies of most Belgians and I - as everyone - need to question myself constantly not to fall into the trap of ethnocentric thinking

But honestly, what does this have to do with the topic?

In many cases, I have seen members of this forum call in the authority of the Bible to settle discussions.

Now, to those people that take the Bible as the unquestioned word of God, why exactly do you take the Bible as such?
What makes you personaly take the position that the Bible is the unquestionable word of God and how do you relate that to the obvious contradictions we see with the knowledge we gained through science and history?

This is an open discussion on your personal motives, please do not let this derail into a flame war.

holyghost:
that's the point on whose authority were men given the go ahead to go into human cloning?
I undertand God said do rule over the beasts n Plants but where HE said man is my plea for answer

Let's then just say our opinions diverge. The authority of the Bible is not something I subscribe to. That would be something for another topic, I guess.

Ka:
Nferyn, I can't imagine why you would need to stay in an unhappy marriage just to ensure your children are well cared for.

I believe very strongly in a lasting marriage and would do everything possible to make it work (including making sure I get married to the right person), but if it didn't work, I would try to ensure that there was as little anger and bitterness between myself and my wife so that even though we were living apart, we could still ensure that the children grew up in loving and caring environments.

I think this is a better alternative that the children feeding off the unhealthy environment that would be created by two unhappy people living together.

Of course that's a better solution, if that is possible. I'm a child of divorced parents myself and I know firsthand what the impact is of a fighting divorce. If you can separate without anger or bitterness, it is indeed better. When both parents fight each other tooth and nail during the divorce though, the impact can be devastating.

I was just reacting from my personal experience, the generalisation was indeed unjustified.

PaypalGod:
Its really terrible. It shows how backward the country really is... I watched the whole horror movie with my mouth wide open. The images still flash in my mind which gives me the shivers. What do you think the punishment shoud be for those that did such a terrible thing

They should be punished to the fullest extend the law permits. It is never acceptable for any society to take the law into your own hands

goodguy:
@nferyn: Well, I'm only trying to make you believe that witchcraft exists, even if you don't believe in it. Goodluck in your research. I'll do the same too but right now, I have to go to bed.

@Seun, so u mean witchcraft doesnt exist abi? Well then, if you are a strong Christian, I'll say Congratulations! But if you are not, I still wish you the best of lucks.

_{Good night}

I'm only saying that you need to come with more convincing evidence to make me believe in witchcraft - or anything for that matter - incredible and supernatural claims must meet an extraordinary burden of proof. Maybe people believe in it, but that does not make it true. Unfortunately people hold all sorts of crazy beliefs.

I'll do some research tomorrow and start a thread on Wicca.

SHould be fun

I'm thinking - no I know - that my wife is back in Nigeria. I miss her already and will miss her for the next month

Seun:
It is possible that those who confess to have been witches or wizards in the past are:
- Deluded (psychological imbalance causing them to believe that they are what they are not!)
- Trying to make money (by writing and selling boks about their experiences)
- Under some form of hypnosis (hypnosis has been demonstrated to work on TV shows)

Exactly. Nothing more, nothing less

goodguy:
Click here to read what the Bible says about witchcraft and its practises.

Thx,
Now I know what the Bible says about withcraft, but that doesnt't give these claims any more credibility.

goodguy:
Note: For the Bible to talk about it, then it exists.

That's a giant leap of faith. Does this have the same credibility as Noah's ark and the great flood?

I only ask for proof of one case of witchcraft, no need for anything more

goodguy:
Also see Christian views on witchcraft

The link with Christian views on witchcraft is interesting. Wicca actually seems like an interesting religion

K2DaC:
^ what he said

I still don't understand. Is that making a cut in both your arms and letting the wounds touch each other?

goodguy:
Believe it or not man, they exist.

The problem with so many whites is that they are too "scientific". So many of them tend not to believe in spiritual stuffs. Since that's the case here, I guess we'll all just have to go with our beliefs.
But then note this, a child never believes fire hurts until he touches it.

What's so spiritual about witchcraft? I do believe that there's more than what we currently can observe and that there are a lot of things we cannot explain yet, but I have no heart for the supernatural.

I know too much about the persecution of the so-called-whitches in Middle Age Europe to be impressed by any claims of withcraft. Superstition mixed with ignorance, mixed with vengeful quarellers with scores to settle, that's al there is to this so-called withcraft

And I'm dead serious about my challenge. You surely would be interested in 100 euro, not? I do promise in front of this whole community that you will recieve it, if you can meet my challenge. I could transfer the money to your bank account or send a Western Union transfer, any one you prefer (I would deduct the charges though).

Most whites I know just don't have the brains to be scientific. This is not a black or white thing.

Mob justice... disgusting

I hope those bystanders will sleep very badly to reflect on their lack of courage and humanity. How can they possibly live with themselves?

What's a blood convenant?

Seun:
The idea that, "when love finishes you can do nothing to bring back things as they used to be" is a very false assumption, and it lead to the unecessary end of a marriage. Love towards your partner is a temporal state/feeling, and it's affected by a love of factors including your behaviour towards each other. It's easy to love someone who treats you well.
[SNIP]

Seun,

Do not forget that there is a difference between the time you fall in love with someone (butterflies in your belly, physical discomfort when separated, not being able to think about anything else, ...) and the love you feel in a long term relationship.

If you're married, the being in love will turn into a feeling of deep love and commitmen[/b]t: you know each other inside out, you feel connected and the bond you forged becomes really strong.
You can easily fall in love with someone else, but you would never compromise that for the love of your life. If you haven't been there, it's hard to explain.
The only problem with love is that you [b]actively need to reinforce that bond. If you neglect your relationship, the love is going to fade away

She's getting a little older now, but I used to fall for Theresa Randle

Absolute free will does not exist. Your choices are limited by both internal and external factors

Life is only as important as it's consequences on the happiness of people be it your own or the people close to you (family, friends, children). The more impact your life has, the more important it becomes, be it positive or negative.

The impact that was a direct consequence of your choices is what you are ethically bound to (e.g. if you have children or enter in a marriage, you can no longer autonomously decide over your own life and commit suicide, you have no such obligations with regards to your parents, as you did have no say in being born - but of course that does not mean you should disregard their feelings)

joshjosh:
i am not any white man hater. i am not a racist. in fact i admire many things about them. half of the people on auntie "BBC" pay roll are on drugs at any one time and are homosexuals. i take whatever they say about these things with a pinch of salt.

they like the police are what we call institutional racist and that is not my opinion but that of LOrd McPherson and his inquiry.

the culture of bozz and drugs amongst the caucasian fuels their promiscuity and not their uncircumcission. high libido for a lady i would imagine is a state of mind rather than clitoral erection or pleasure. give me abused uncircumcised lady and tell me how aroused she was and i will tell you how fulfilled a circumcised lady enjoys being respected and treathed well for the human being she is rather than a sex object.

ok i know some people's brain is between their legs but do we spend 10% of our life time doing sexual things. what about good old love. sex is not what it is cracked up to be my dear brother.

i stand to be corrected though. i am all hears now. have a great day

Everyone that starts a sentence with a denial such as i am not any white man hater. i am not a racist. usually is just that: a racist

Or what would you call:

* they like the police are what we call institutional racist

Meaning? Could you make an argument out of this gibberish

* the culture of bozz and drugs amongst the caucasian fuels their promiscuity

How can you call this anything else but racist?

* in fact i admire many things about them

They make fantastic music full of rhythm, they know how to dance and have such good athletes wanna go on?

joshjosh:
i am not any white man hater. i am not a racist. in fact i admire many things about them. half of the people on auntie "BBC" pay roll are on drugs at any one time and are homosexuals. i take whatever they say about these things with a pinch of salt.

they like the police are what we call institutional racist and that is not my opinion but that of LOrd McPherson and his inquiry.

the culture of bozz and drugs amongst the caucasian fuels their promiscuity and not their uncircumcission. high libido for a lady i would imagine is a state of mind rather than clitoral erection or pleasure. give me abused uncircumcised lady and tell me how aroused she was and i will tell you how fulfilled a circumcised lady enjoys being respected and treathed well for the human being she is rather than a sex object.

ok i know some people's brain is between their legs but do we spend 10% of our life time doing sexual things. what about good old love. sex is not what it is cracked up to be my dear brother.

i stand to be corrected though. i am all hears now. have a great day

And what's your point? Do you think everything is well and dandy with female genital mutilation?

Btw, male circumcision is just cutting of the foreskin, nothing even remotely close to female circumcision;

Interesting question.

My opinion:
1. Once you marry, you are entering in a bond with your wife/husband. It is a long term commitment you should not jump into lightly. That's why I would advise a married couple to be to live together for at least one year before they make the commitment
2. In mutual agreement, the couple can separate, but only after they have tried everything they can to save the marriage. It is important to understand that you must tolerate each others little annoyances. Tolerance, trust and communication are key
3. Once you decide to have children, everything changes
4. From that moment onward, your first and foremost responsibility is the well being of your children. If that means that you have to stay in an unhappy marriage, so be it
5. Having children is the single most important decision you can make in your life. F[b]rom that moment onward your life is no longer your own[/b]
6. If you cannot make that commitment, don't have children, you are not ready/fit to have children

goodguy:
Please don't call her names. She probably isnt aware of the consequences.

You think so?

The doctors probably explained her in detail what the consequences could be.

goodguy:
I can't get married to something created by a human being.

Why?

We have been tinkering with life since we set foot on this planet - dogs, cows, chicken, pigs, horses, goats, etc are not exactly natural wild animals. They have been created by humans through selective breeding. Biotechnology is just making all of this quicker and easier

goodguy:
I'm thinking that's lovely

I'm thinking I have to thank you. no no no I do thank you for your kind words

goodguy:
Believe it or not, they exist. This is not about Africa. There are witches and wizards in the western world too. They are not just so pronounced as they are in Africa.

Witchcraft exists!!! The Bible even confirmed it.

Let me answer with one word: BULLSHIT

I hereby give a bounty of one hundered Euro out of my own personal reserve (meagre as it may be) to the first person that can prove [/b]to me that witchcraft exists.

Terms of the challenge:
[list]
[li]Give a clear definition of witchcraft that includes the supernatural (using poison or herbs does not count)[/li]
[li]The supernatural act cannot possibly be attributed to chance[/li]
[li]Confessions do not count (who knows under what circumstances they came about)[/li]
[/list]

If you think 100 Euro is not enough for your liking, just take up the challenge here:
http://skepdic.com/randi.html
You can pick up a bounty of 1 million US dollars. Surely, that must be easy. [b]<SARCASM>[/b]Currently not one individual out of the 6,5 billion people inhabiting this earth has been able to claim the prize. I'm sure you will be able to do so[b]</SARCASM>