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| Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by tpaine: 12:28am On Mar 06, 2008 |
What is very little appreciated by the majority of mainstream Christians today is that there are at least two schools of Christianity coursing through the New Testament. For simplicity, I shall call these the Jamesian doctrine, led by James, the brother of Jesus and the Pauline doctrine whose exponent was Paul of the road to Damascus fame. This is evident from the acrimony between the two leaders of their respective doctrine, as clearly reported in several passages in the bible, with the one showing contempt for the other. According to the NT, James was the brother of Jesus and would have had direct personal contact with Jesus on a daily basis during Jesus's ministry. He would have been familiar with Jesus dietary preferences, his hygeine habits, genital surgery options, his satorial choices and not least his doctrinal biases. As Jews, James, like Jesus, would have observed the core jewish laws; dietary, hygiene, sabbath etc; In fact, in Matthew 5, Jesus is seen emphasing the importance of the law. Correspondingly in James epistle, James is seen to endorse the justification by law doctrine, in keeping with the spirit of Jesus's message. Who do you think would have had better knowledge of Jesus - someone who spent time with him in the flesh or someone who never met him in the flesh? Then, Paul comes along and turns the applecart. Paul, who confesses to never having met Jesus, starts to preach a totally different message. For this he runs into conflict with the core Jerusalem gang, a conflict he reports in Galatians. He now preaches a doctrine of justification not by law but by faith. Consequently, he relaxes all the jewish laws, which would have been essential to the Jesus and James movement. He reports that he is given the mandate to preach his version of Christianity to the gentiles, while the Jerusalem gang would preach to the Jews. As luck would have it, he makes rather more converts to his message than the old school missionaries. Eventually, Pauline Christianity wins the day, while Jamesian Christianity (the version know to Jesus) would died slowly. If Jesus had return in 300 CE, he would most certainly not have recognised the movement he founded. At this point the Christian cult had already split into various factions; Marcionism, Nestorianism, Docetism, Appollinarism, Arianism and Catholicism. Most of these were called collectively as the Gnostics and had their own version of the gospels as well as other writings. Still less would he recognise the present day Christian community as portraying and practicing the words he taught. Christianity has had two millenia to shape and reshape its teaching to the extend that various groups called themselve Christian today essentially for historic reason than for theological ones. So if you are an orthodox Christian today, chances are good that you are a Pauline Christian, a far cry from the Christianity of Jesus. References James the brother of Jesus, Robert Eisenman Misquoting Jesus, Bart Ehrman Lost Christianity, Bart Ehrman Gnostic Paul, Elaine Pagels ===================================================================================================== Some of my other threads The Dangers Of Religious Fundamentalism To Intellectualism https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=110955.msg1929006#msg1929006 Danger! 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| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by Nobody: 2:09am On Mar 06, 2008 |
una don come again heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Seun you see how they're finding trouble again you see am? by the time we open up a can of worms revealing the "prophet" and his baby bride plus 22 others,they'll start sending you fatwas mr tpaine take ya time o I say take ya time before your tpaine becomes a real pain Una don cry sotay Seun don turn Is'lam into a certain "great religion" mo'hammedans into "great ones" and Mo into great one prophet. we are enjoying a moment of peace,let it be. James and Paul did they slap ya mama? Leave them alone get youself 4 of your female cousins as your 4 Iyawos and have a "merry" sallah  go into tilth whichever way you see fit and scourge them when they misbehave. Honey leave us alone now. A word is enough for the wise. |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by TheSly: 2:14am On Mar 06, 2008 |
hmnnnnnnnnnn another one of them threads!  |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by 4Him(m): 2:15am On Mar 06, 2008 |
tpaine: This is the EXACT same reason no right thinking fellow would take m'ohammad the charlatan serious, at least Paul was alive to have seen the disciples of Jesus face to face. |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by Nobody: 2:16am On Mar 06, 2008 |
®~^Sly^~®: people won't see this one now. when nwando will talk now they'll start saying I hate mu'slims and that I'm slamming I'slam Now who is the aggressor? I don talk my own |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by TheSly: 2:30am On Mar 06, 2008 |
 Tell 'em to ''bring it on''. . . . . God is solidly behind his children . . . . . . Trust me. . .Nothing dey happen  |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by Nobody: 2:32am On Mar 06, 2008 |
ah ma du du lie they should let sleeping dogs lie O |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by 4Him(m): 2:33am On Mar 06, 2008 |
nwando: they cant. A certain prophet had a morbid fear of dogs. |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by Nobody: 2:45am On Mar 06, 2008 |
wetin dog do? |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by olabowale(m): 3:12am On Mar 06, 2008 |
@4Him: Iro po lenu e. He was not afraid of dog. He said that dog should be kept for a useful purpose; as guard dog, hunting dog, shephard dog, or leading the blind or something like that. No to have it and be in love with it to the point that you starting up on it, not minding the germs in the saliva, etc, or even call it your member of family and you share the same bed with it. Thats dirty. Nwando and David, you guys don't have anything like that: Kissing up or cuddling up and inviting it to sleep in your bed! Yarkky. That filt. I knew some Nigerians who did that in the 70s. |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by Nobody: 3:15am On Mar 06, 2008 |
olabowale: and who are the you people? my dear you've lived in the civilized world now for years and still think the opposite of I'slam is Christianity? when you with all your exposure think this way,what hope do we have for the almajiris of Gombe? why should anybody blame them? |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by olabowale(m): 4:39am On Mar 06, 2008 |
@Nwando: get youself 4 of your female cousins as your 4 Iyawos and have a "merry" sallahThats not how it works. AlRahman gives allowance for every kinda personality, from recluse, introvert to extreme extrovert. So a shy man can find a spouse within the family, if that whats available. But a roaring lion like me or the untameable tiger like Davidylan want strange women. For me, my taste is exotic. For example, no ethnic looking woman for me. Even among Yoruba or others, eg. Igbo! And by the way, Adam and Eve Children married one another. Contrary to the Sons of god sleeping with daughters of earth in the Bible! By the way, you will see that others were referred to as sons of god and Jesus was not unique in this position. And who and were were the mother(s) of the sons of the Bible god, here? Who were the parents of the daughters they slept with? go into tilth whichever way you see fit and scourge them when they misbehave.Alhamdulillah. In all of the misquotes that could be made, you have not quote a scourging situation by the prophet, who we follow. The wife can also tilth the husband you know. Thats the role of the spouse. lol. @4Him: This is the EXACT same reason no right thinking fellow would take m'ohammad the charlatan serious, at least Paul was alive to have seen the disciples of Jesus face to face. But Paul was not a prophet and was not a companion of a prophet, except that he was a companion of the companion! Now if your idea that seeing a prophet that is the yardstick of believing another prophet, then I am not surprised that the Jews did not believe Jesus. Afterall< Jesus never saw Moses face to face! His arrival after Moses was even longer than the arrival of ProphetMuhammad after his ascension! you will see that your idea is poorly executed in presentation. |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by olabowale(m): 4:51am On Mar 06, 2008 |
@Nwando: and who are the you people?Isaid you guys, referring to David and you! Go back and read my post again. I did not use people and did not address the whole of Christendom. I only addressed David and you. Whats almajiris? Are they Muslims, not only by name? If they make salah, Zakah/sadaqah, saum, Hajj/ Umrah, then they are Muslims. May Allahu tabaraka watahala forgive us all. My invitation is still standing for you guys. Don't miss the opportunity. |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by adeyinkat: 12:40pm On Mar 06, 2008 |
@Tpaine From your writeup, I can see that you are very knowledgeable concerning the Bible. However, permit me to pass my views across to you & please go thru objectively. Firstly, Jesus came to fufill the law and then abolish it! Even so, some of His actions infruiated the Jewish sects as being unlawful. Check out healing(working) on Sabbath, eating without washing hands, companying with "sinners" etc Secondly, it was Peter that God first gave the revelation of salvation by faith and not by observance of the law. Please check Acts 10 for the story of Cornelius' conversion. It was much later that Paul got his own rev. & remember, all the Apostles including James gave him the hand of fellowship in Acts 15 when he shared the rev with them. Lastly, no matter how much one might have known Jesus in the flesh, it takes a revelation to really know Him, remember Philip asking to be shown the Father & Jesus saying "have I been with u all this while yet u do not know me or dont u believe anyone dat has seen Me has seen the Father?, ", also Peter's famed declaration " thou art the Christ Son of the living God", & Jesus' response ", flesh & blood hath not revealed this unto you but My Father in heaven, " So the rev. Paul had supercedes any physical knowledge anyone might have had, " the flesh profiteth nothing, it's the spirit dat gives life, " "henceforth know we no man after the flesh, " Thanks for reading thru. |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by tpaine: 1:15pm On Mar 06, 2008 |
No one has really tackled the issues I raised in this post; And these are: 1) Was Jesus really a strict follower of the Judaic laws on diet, cleanliness, sabbath etc? 2) Did Paul really "know" Jesus and did he preach Jesus's message? 3) Is the version of Christianity that survived (ie Pauline) in keeping with Jesus's teachings, which would have been better known and understood by the Jerusalem gang (ie the Jamesians)? |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by adeyinkat: 1:48pm On Mar 06, 2008 |
tpaine: But they were answered in my last post. 1) No, if He was then the Pharisees, Sadducees & Scribes would not have kicked against Him. 2) Paul knew Jesus by revelation (which was how e got to know what happened at the last supper 1Cor 11 vs23-27 3) The gospel of salvation by faith was Jesus' commission (he that believes & is baptised will be saved!, not he that obeys the law) |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by olabowale(m): 2:40pm On Mar 06, 2008 |
@Adeyinkat: But they were answered in my last post.But Jesus never ate pork and he was circumcised! Yet today we see through followership of Paul, instead of abserverance of Jesus actions and commandments, not only do you eat whatever, including pork, but the law of circumcision is been neglected and rejected, seprating yourself from the covenant of God with Abraham. Whats equally bad or even worse is the discarding of the first commandment and all commandments which are related to it of the Oneness of god! 2) Paul knew Jesus by revelation (which was how e got to know what happened at the last supper 1Cor 11 vs23-27You conveniently forgot that Paul was in the company ofthe direct apostles of Jesus and he heard plenty of story! They educated him plenty. 3) The gospel of salvation by faith was Jesus' commission (he that believes & is baptised will be saved!, not he that obeys the law)Then it is no wonder that the law of God given to Moses and it was so important that it be etched in Stone, as quickly done away with in a period that is less than 2000 years after it was given! Do you think God changes His cre plan so easily? No, my man! The singular plan of God is worshipping Him alone without any association! That was what all prophets delivered. And when it came to Moses and because of the stubbornness of the children of Israel nations, God have this very core command wriiten down as etching on Stones called tablets! To now tell us that all of that is simply dismissed by Paul's hypothesis, while Jesus who Paul and others raised to position of deity did not dismiss these core commandments! Hence, Jesus could not have failed to tell his apostles the truth for all the time of his ministry, then he had to wait for an evil strange man, who never saw him alive at anytime! One group must not be telling the truth. That group will not be Jesus! |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by 4Him(m): 3:01pm On Mar 06, 2008 |
tpaine: 1. No, those laws could not save . . . the real essence of Christ's coming was to lay down His life as a sacrifice for sin . . . The law was essentially man's struggle to reach God . . . Christ came that we may be reconciled to Him by grace and hereby are we (gentiles) no longer under those laws. 2. Paul may not have been Christ's disciple but he was tutored by those who followed Christ. He was a contemporary of Peter, James and John. Men who walked with Christ for 3.5yrs. However the same question can be leveled against mo'hammad . . . the quran is replete with stories of Jesus, did m'ohammad EVER see Jesus Christ? 3. Peter, James, John (all disciples of Christ) wrote their own letters to the brethren. None of them conflicts with Paul's letters. |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by 4Him(m): 3:06pm On Mar 06, 2008 |
olabowale: The law of circumcision is still well and truly alive . . . no longer is it the physical circumcision of the cutting of the foreskin . . . but the circumcision made without hands . . . buried with Christ in baptism. Jesus never ate pork (your own oppinion) but i love pork . . . how can i call unclean that which God has made clean? Read the revelation given to Peter (not Paul) in the book of acts. The covenant of God with Abraham was written in the blood of rams . . . the new covenant is written with the blood of Jesus Christ. olabowale: how did m'ohammad get his own stories? olabowale: Alhaji, you seem to be huffing and puffiing essentially saying nothing. Why is this commandment on the tablet of stone so important to you? Was it sent by all'ah? Is it in your the great book? Is it by any means part of the laws of sharia? |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by olabowale(m): 3:34pm On Mar 06, 2008 |
@4Him: The law of circumcision is still well and truly alive . . . no longer is it the physical circumcision of the cutting of the foreskin . . . but the circumcision made without hands . . . buried with Christ in baptism.Do I need to say more? David, you have said everything! You have made permissible what was forbidden before. The covenant of God with Abraham was written in the blood of rams . . . the new covenant is written with the blood of Jesus Christ.Yet you call Abraham the father of your faith? how did m'ohammad get his own stories?Directly from God Almighty Creator. Alhaji, you seem to be huffing and puffiing essentially saying nothing. Why is this commandment on the tablet of stone so important to you? Was it sent by all'ah? Is it in your the great book? Is it by any means part of the laws of sharia?While i was saying nothing, you were able to get from that nothing the commandment written on the stone. The importance of it to me is that it is in the Sharia of All''ah Musa (as) was my Messenger prophet as well. The Commandments given to Musa (as) was sent by All''ah. And it is in the AlQur"an as well. IT is part of the laws of Sharia, because the core of Sharia is worship of One God and no Imagery and no association. Notice that we are all circumcised? You are because you are Yoruba man. Mine is religious on top of the Yorubaness. You also realise that in normal conditions we will not eat Pork! David, ma je elede moo o. Awon to nje, ara won ma nrun bakon. Ko daa rara! Ma si snow ni winter yi ni NYC! Mo no wipe Snow odo yin a po gon! lol. Aburo, tete fe iyawo o. O tutu yen o daa rara o! |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by 4Him(m): 3:44pm On Mar 06, 2008 |
olabowale: 1. The ancient laws of Moses as regard what to eat or where does not apply to the gentile (non Jew). 2. Please read the book of Acts . . . the story of Peter's vision while lying on the roof of his house. olabowale: Abraham is the father OF faith. olabowale: Why then are you crying about Paul having never met Jesus Christ? olabowale: More dishonesty. All of a sudden the 10 commandments find their way into the sharia? Why did al'lah give the commandments to the lineage of Isaac and not to the house of Ishmael his first born? What commandments were the children of Ishmael living by all these while? Your p enis might be circumcised but it is the circumcision of your heart that matters to God. Until you do so you may as well grow another foreskin. |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by Nobody: 5:21pm On Mar 06, 2008 |
@ the poster at least be honest and quote your source rather than pass it off as your own findings. Could this be the work of naik Zakir or whatever that clown's name is. He found Mo in the Bible didn't he? I hope he would be truthful enough to tell you Mo copied and pasted his false Biblical stories from associating with some heretic groups stories like Jesus as a baby fashioning birds from clay and other jumbled fables we already dealt with all that when the religious section was vibrant. |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by olabowale(m): 11:49pm On Mar 06, 2008 |
@4Him; He found Mo in the Bible didn't he?Everyone who opens the eye of the heart will see SeyidinnaMuhammad (as) in the remnant of truth that remains in the Bible, after the many revisions and edition and initial human addition to revelation from God which were already altered. I hope he would be truthful enough to tell you Mo copied and pasted his false Biblical stories from associating with some heretic groups[/uote] Except that he was not learned. That was the dialogue between Angel Gabreil and ProphetMuhammad: Gabreil said Proclaim. He said I am not learned!stories like Jesus as a baby fashioning birds from clay and other jumbled fables we already dealt with all that when the religious section was vibrant.If you can not believe that Jesus was able to fashion a clay and supplicate his Lord so that it became a living bird, then I wonder how you could believe that Jesus was able to raise a dead man or give a sight to sightless? The miracles were by God's permission on Jesus! The only thing that Jesus did as a Child was to speak/talk in defense of his mother. Of course it was recorded and not in the bible. So much for you accusation of "Copied and pasted" above. |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by olabowale(m): 2:51am On Mar 07, 2008 |
@Nwando: The above is for you. Unfortunately I was going to respond to david, prior to, so his name was written instead. @4Him 1. The ancient laws of Moses as regard what to eat or where does not apply to the gentile (non Jew).The ancient laws applied to your god, Jesus, though? Then as a gentile you got one over your god Jesus!After Jesus, every thing is a go in Christianity, uh? Even Peter had his own revelation, as a roofer! Abraham is the father OF faith.A father of faith whose faith's modus operandi you disregard. And I wonder if Paul is receiving his 'revelation' from God, while he wrote his own entries as verses in the Bible. More dishonesty. All of a sudden the 10 commandments find their way into the sharia?Finally Ismail's branche of the Ibrahim's bloodline got the last prophet messenger! It reminds me of what mayor Mike Bloomberg said when NY Giants stomped the Boston Patriots; The One time that matteredNY won! The time that there is to be a prophet for the whole world, Allahu Ta'ala chose from the "First Son!" You asked for it. I will give it to you raw and as a hard fact! What commandments were the children of Ishmael living by all these while?Whatever the commandments, it just was not good enough. So they were isolated as the world passed them by. But by Allahu ta'ala, they got the best of mankind., who was the leader of all the prophets. Have you heard the expression saving the best for last? Thats the condition of ProphetMuhammad by Allahu Ta'ala. Your p enis might be circumcised but it is the circumcision of your heart that matters to God. Until you do so you may as well grow another foreskin.Abunna is what Nwando calls it. I wonder if Jesus, Moses, Ibrahim, etc, circumcised their hearts, since we are very certain that they circumcised their genitals? |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by Nobody: 5:01am On Mar 07, 2008 |
olabowale: cough sneeze If it ain't in the Bible it ain't true. Mo got so many stories wrong. Putting folks centuries apart in the same place,why should we believe him? We already dealt with all this in previous threads |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by adeyinkat: 9:04am On Mar 07, 2008 |
@Olabowale, Tpaine, I'm quite new to the religion section here that was why I posted under this topic. I actually thot I was passing knowledge across to a broda who had tins mixed up and not entering a debate about xtianity & islam. Nwando & 4Him's posts tell me that this debate has long been going on. One intruiging question though, why is it that you guys are quick to kill in the name of religion? You hound, maim & kill anyone of a contrary opinion to ur ideas. There is so much blood-letting if anyone so much as mentions the name of ur prophet yet you talk anyhow about Jesus Christ and xtians just smile and say Father forgive them for they know not wot they say! U prevent people from even talking freely about Jesus to your people & try to build an impregnable wall round them! This seems to me as if there is something u guys are hiding, not for much longer though; Jesus said "You shall know the truth & the truth shall make u free". I dare any nation to open up & declare freedom for people to preach woteva they believe, believe me, nothing will remain of the religions that holds people by force in dat nation! |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by tpaine: 10:01am On Mar 07, 2008 |
adeyinkat: I am not a sympathiser of the isl-amic regions, far from that. I am a critic of all religions. I subscribe to a naturalististic worldview, instead. Check out my other posts; they were made under the pseudonym therationa |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by tpaine: 10:44am On Mar 07, 2008 |
nwando: My prime source is the bible itself. The controvery is clearly reported in sections of the bible by the two main protagonists themselves. I remember how this troubled me as a kid and how none of the elders of the churches I attended to satisfactorily answer the questions for me. It was not until I read widely on the subjects did it all begin to make sense. If you really are interested, you could check the following sources; James the brother of Jesus, Robert Eisenman Misquoting Jesus, Bart Ehrman Lost Christianity, Bart Ehrman Gnostic Paul, Elaine Pagels |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by tpaine: 12:37pm On Mar 07, 2008 |
Someone asked for my sources. I have added them to the main post. Enjoy! |
| Re: Which Christianity? Pauline Or Jamesian by Nobody: 12:40pm On Mar 07, 2008 |
There is no conflict between Paul and James. Its all a matter of grossly erroneous interpretation/exegesis/schorlaship St. Peter wrote about those that misconstrued the messages of Paul in the early years of Christianity 2 Peter 3: 15-16 --> "And consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, as our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you, speaking of these things as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures." |
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