patches689:




European cultures are (largely) universalists
Africans cultures are (largely) collectivist

Universalists will always truimph over collectivists.

then he proceeds to show a bunch of white people with guns...

you guys should check out this blog, they have a decent amount of millitary stuff. although if you want to post they have to be high quilty pics and all the rules must be followed or else you will be taking down. i usually post nigerian stuff but i need some help. we need more african militarizes on the blog

Henry240:


Are you sure you got me at all?


Libya is obviously not better today. It was 100 times more safe under Ghaddafi.

my mistake the inclusion of one more word would have completely changed the meaning of your sentence

Henry240:


Libya, Iraq are not better today, than they were when dictators ruled over them.

you dont seriously believe that do you? if gaddafi was still alive africa's northern flank would be secure from isis

@ henry you should post this on Beegs blog, the other sum of money (N 2xxbn ) is for recurring costs while the there is another fund for capital expenditure

MikeCZAR:
Yes, Nigeria defence spending will rise. MASSIVELY.

As your country tries to deal with the punishing BH insurgency.

Another reason will be the re-equipping and supporting new systems.

also our politicians may see that vision as a threat to nigerias political standing, and create there own vision. The vision seems like south africa is trying to be an african super power nigeria will most likely check or frustrate this move . i for one vote for the former

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This is how its done.


An "Africanized" parade, with military precision and discipline


i prefer the first video, seems a bit more "african".

MikeCZAR:

To say the SU-30 is a "long strike aircraft for NAF" i believe will deny the NAF to have tanker aircraft tying NAF to west Africa.

good point although both would be better for nigeria to have a heavy multirole and a light multirole jet. hopefully after the procurement of both we will look into tankers

Henry120:


I should have made my opinion clearer. I agree with all you said in your Prime post, however, although i understand ISIS in libya is also a Nigerian problem, we currently have our hands full with operations to rout out boko-haram.

Where are the assets to assist us in such a mission, or are solely going to depend on the egyptians?

the mis-communication is my fault as well, this force should start thier training cycle after boko haram starts to become an internal security problem although i do realize that boko harem will always in a way be an armies problem. this force can come after all tatories are captured and boko harem starts attacking soft targets.

like i stated the task force will be purely infantry(with expection of the an-12 for para drops) it is a means of supporting the eygptains rather then leading the offensive, air cover should be provided by the Egyptian. because as we all know air cover is expensive and no politicain will look at any proposal that is to expensive

but my main point is if we wait until boko harem is finished then it will already be to late becuase like history tells us terriost and insurgancys never truly die they just evolve and(or) migrate

Henry120:
I'd rather we concentrate first on the boko-haram problem, before we start contemplating going on any ISIL expedition. That is taking care of operations, equipment, media and logistics.

i agree, but at the same time if we dont have forward thinking on the international threats faceing our country. then we are doomed to face the same humilation we have faced and are still facing. saying we should wait until boko harem is delt with is short sighted and deadly, you of all people should understand where i am coming from. if isis is made to distableize libya even futher then that can only spell disaster for the rest of africa. imagine if isis take control of the oil rigs then that will lead to more attacks in african contires.

look at it this way libya is nigeria isis is boko haram and wthout forward thinking we are playing the role of camaroon

my ogas please check the other thread

https://www.nairaland.com/1962290/african-militaries-strictly-discussions-thread/4#31460669

here i have made a rough proposal for a Nigerian expeditionary force to counter Isis, please i would like to see the proposal to others and feel free to correct or build upon what i have already stated

as a response to check chadain political and media D*** wagging. we should take up Egypt's request for assistance with isis and send a Tri Force-task force of 1000 fighting men (support units , docters, logistics, armoured corps not included) the fighting men will be ranger level trained and have there own compliment of armour ( 40 Btr4s 20-30 t90/t72 100 btr apcs 30 ch-3 drones 100 logistics vehicles 5 an-12s for para drops) with a initial federal budget of 300 million$ the soldiers should get there own camouflage specific only to them. this force should be trained for a year prior and should not be taken from active soldiers in the northeast. this force should be used as a skirmishing force and air cover should be provided by Egypt. set up a base in libya near the Egyptain border.

additional forces should be put on a 6 month training schedule 500 fighting men per training cycle trained in desert, asymmetric, coin, and base defense.

Support units- an artillery regiment , regular infantry for base defense, logistics

this force will give us more political leverage over north africa gain respect from the Egyptians and other arab countries aswell as African countries and most of all it will protect nigeria from a growing isis threat abroad and possibly at home.

a millitary alliance with Egypt and algeria will be the best way to grow influence in arabias

denisfidha:
infact, in my our culture, people come to drink rum and dance the whole night before the day of burial (weird).
(later)

i dont think theirs anything wrong with that the problem is nowadays most Africans see theirselves through a European lens

( i dont mean to condescend but its just an observation i have made)

overhypedsteve:
nice one. I knew that already, just wanted to make sure you know what they will be facing.

well like was said before Chadian's don't fly their own fighter jets i dont think they would risk using pmc's to attack nigeria.

but no use arguing on a picture thread we need to reuse the milltary discussion thread, so we can go more indepth about a scenario

overhypedsteve:
you ll use your f7 to chase out a chadian MIG29? Or and SU30

do you really think that if chad was to shoot down a f7 that nigeria would just lie down and take it ? NO nigeria is stronger militarily in almost every aspect when compared to chad, nigeria's political influence although hurt by the insurgency and the media war is many times greater then that of chad, also keep in mind that my scenario was a violation of our air space (by france) chad being a member of the multi-national force can fly in our air space for the time being. but lets say chad and nigeria cut of their military agreement a Chadian incursion of our airspace will be intercepted by f7s be it a mig 29, su 30, f 22 whatever, because chad knows if they do commit offensive acts towards nigeria it will be met in kind.

F7 may not be the greatest fighter its what that f7 represents that makes it strong

http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFKBN0L718720150203

Nigeria needs to check the french. any intrusion of our airspace should be handled politically if they continue we should use our f7's for what they where intended for, intercept them and force them to leave. (without causing an incident)

if we do this every time we can use this to our advantage on the media front by using words like (intrusion, violation, ) and we need to stress the fact that there is no military agreement to that capacity between the to countries.

NighttWalker:
What do u guys think about crashed drone in Borno?

From the pic this is clearly not a Nigerian drone

its obvious from the other thread that some Nigerians dont believe in there government or their people its sad really, but why did this drone crash ? loss of communications ? malfunction ?

overhypedsteve:
its about the price of salted pork? Its about religion, and although we have a political aspect to it, lets not forget that Islam as a religion have always being about power. The jihadists before now have fought for power with the same excuse that they fight a holy war, what they are fighting for in Nigeria is not different from what their leader (mohammed) fought for in the early days of Islam. The presidential candidate of the APC( general buhari ) have stated clearly that he is committed to the total islamization of Nigeria. I mean how hard could that be. Muslims want to see more Muslims in power, Muslims want to wake up in the morning to hear that a nuclear bomb fell on Israel and then the Vatican city. I fear Muslims because they are very unpredictable and all over the world they have carved for themselves a very shameful conception about themselves. Mohammed have created a religion that cannot work in a world like ours, we cannot live with Muslims, why? Because they don't care about waking up to stab you in your sleep just because they think you may have being the one that mistakenly dropped coffee on their Koran and the problem is, they won't tell you about it during the day so you could apologise, no they won't they will still remain nice to you while hiding that wicked intent of theirs in their dark Islamic heart waiting for the right time, they may even buy your child candy in the day and pretend everything is cool.
I do not like the Islamic religion.
I hate it and i despise it. I just hope the Islamic General does not win the February polls cus this " harmless" friendly little post of mine could earn me my death under his government.
But it should be noted that there are good Muslims, but this good Muslims are the ones that do not follow through to the doctrines of the Koran, because they realizes just how dangerous it is to the society, this set of "good" Muslims are often called out by the bad radical ones as "pagans".

well steve your name does indeed suit you

NighttWalker:
It will be the biggest disgrace in Nigerian history if Nigeria seek military asistance from Algeria, boko haram still exists cuz we haven't elected a new president yet.

thats an incorrect way of thinking being to proud to ask for help is something only a fool would do, also democracy does not work in every culture/country especially a terribly country like nigeria. the main problem with democracy is it create a ruleing class and the illusion of accountability when in reality all the civil populous can do is juggle between inadequate leaders in hopes that they choose the less inadequate. nigeria does not need to be to proud and full of it self it needs to make calculated moves in an effort of self-preservation. Nigeria is fighting more then 4 enmanies at the same time (boko haram, domestic sponsors, international sponsors, itself)

Hey henry
what do think about the idea of requesting help from Algeria to help with boko haram even with lets say 1000 troops in the north east this will have the dual effect of helping us with boko haram and answering to francophone pseudo-aggression. also this will boost our relationship with a powerful African millitary almost next door.

with the arrival of the t72's i believe we should start utilizing thunder run tactics into boko harem bases and occupied towns , boko will probably catch on to the tactic by the third time so we should but a mine clearance tank in front this will could be used as a skirmishing attack to soften up there positions followed by artillery as soon as the tanks are gone and then a mechinzed charge with the t 72s and our bmps under artlirty cover

Henry120:


You comment.

i have tried but they never go through

Henry120:


You comment.

i have tried but they never go through

hey henry120 how do i get commenting rights on beegs blog i have something i want too add

Henry120: Nigerian navy's desert counter-terrorism/ counter-insurgency

nigerian navy ?

Fighter Pilot:

China is overpopulated and its economy is just only good for its people.

a country with a billion plus people and an economy that is on its way to become the best in the world, can not be compared to a dwindling middle power state with a average population.

solomon111: lol @ cameroon.
Their entire defence budget is less than that of the Nigerian police.
They're not a problem at all.
Their entire military apparatus can be neutralized in 72 hours.
Unfortunately,France is what makes invading cameroon a complicated issue.
We'll need to begin aggressive military procurement policy for the airforce which is currently absent, to ensure significant deterrence against french rafales.

we wouuldnt be invadeing cammeroon we would be attack boko harem camps across the border

CraigB:

Africa is not a country. It's silly to believe that a continent of over 50 states could be disgraced by the actions of one state.

most people in the frist world regard africa as a single country

“IT is better to help a friend pay his fine, than tell a lie to help him cover a crime.” - Nigerian proverb.

It was literally a life-long ambition, and I used every opportunity to meet the old man in person. I was finally in a position to press buttons and call old friends to render favors, and in early 2007 I succeeded. I was told I could see Mandela for only 30 minutes at his home, but I needed to get there one hour earlier.

Colleagues I had leaned on were skeptical that I would see him despite the appointment, particularly since I will not say it was official. An old South African friend and course mate from South Africa, who helped, suggested I asked questions or matters I wanted to discuss with him and send them in advance. I did not think that was the type of meeting I wanted, so I did not.

Mandela was surprised when he was told I worked at the Nigerian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but had spent six months trying to see him to pay my personal respects. Why did you not go through your colleagues here? I told him the visit was not official. I just wanted to meet him. He relaxed and apologised that it had taken that long for me to see him. Others left us, except a lady, who sat discreetly away from us. I thought she was a medical person.



How are my Nigerian brothers and sisters? He asked me. He will not let me take the initiative. ‘You know I am not very happy with Nigeria. I have made that very clear on many occasions’. Now I was curious. I knew of course that he led our suspension from the Commonwealth after the hanging of the late Ken Saro-Wiwa and his Ogoni compatriots. It was also no secret that South African governments including one he headed had considerably cooled off towards Nigeria, and by the time I was meeting him, Nigeria was a dirty word in most cities in South Africa. I mentioned that Nigerian people had very strong and positive dispositions towards South Africa and the Southern African region, and many were puzzled that people who marched all the way with South Africans can be despised by the governments and people of South Africa. Yes, he responded. Nigeria stood by us more than any nation, but you let yourselves down and Africa and the black race very badly.



I knew I was going to get a lecture, so I sat back. He spoke with passion and anger at a nation, which has one-quarter of the black race, and had everything, needed to be great, but is known principally for its dictators and its criminals.

Your country, he said, used to be respected. After your suspension from the Commonwealth, many western countries approached me to help in isolating Nigeria so that it will be easier to bring down your military dictators. I consulted many African leaders, and all were unanimous in their advice. They told me to stay clear of Nigeria, that you will fix your problems. You have done it before. ‘But’, he shook his head, ‘you have not. Not this time’. The world will not respect Africa until Nigeria earns that respect. The black people of the world need Nigeria to be great as a source of pride and confidence. Nigerians love freedom and hate oppression.Why do you do it to yourselves? He remembered Tafawa Balewa, the first leader who gave his party, ANC, financial contribution.

I saw an opening here. I suggested that all Africans are bitter at their leaders. With due respect, I said, his presidency had not changed lives of black South Africans much, and his successors are not likely to do so. Yes, he agreed,’ but we raised hopes that others can do so. ‘He was back to Nigeria. ‘Your leaders have no respect for their people. They believe that their personal interests are the interests of the people. They take people’s resources and turn it into personal wealth. There is a level of poverty in Nigeria that should be unacceptable. I cannot understand why Nigerians are not more angry than they are’, he continued.

Since it was obvious that he was intent on pouring his heart out, I decided to let him speak. ‘What do young Nigerians think about your leaders and their country and Africa? Do you teach them history? Do you have lessons on how your past leaders stood by us and gave us large amounts of money? You know I hear from Angolans and Mozambicans and Zimbabweans how your people opened their hearts and their homes to them. I was in prison then, but we know how your leaders punished western companies who supported Apartheid’. I reminded him that we had elected governments since 1999, and he knew some of our leaders in person. Yes, he did. ‘But what about the corruption and the crimes?’ he asked? ‘Your elections are like wars’. Now we hear that you cannot be president in Nigeria unless you are Muslim or Christian. Some people tell me your country may break up. Please don’t let it happen’.

He sat back. I obviously got a lot more than I bargained for. Then he mellowed down, and apologized. He had not even asked me what I wanted to see him for, and he was tearing at my country. It was fine, I assured him. I merely wanted to meet him and pay my respects. He then asked me a lot of personal questions, and in particular what I was doing personally to improve the capacity of the Nigerian people to build the nation to be a source of pride and comfort for Nigerians, Africa and the black race. But he was in a lecturing mood.

‘Let me tell you what I think you need to do’ he said. ‘You should encourage leaders to emerge who will not confuse public office with sources of making personal wealth. Corrupt people do not make good leaders. Then you have to spend a lot of your resources for education. Educate children of the poor, so that they can get out of poverty. Poverty does not breed confidence. Only confident people can bring changes. Poor, uneducated people can also bring change, but it will be hijacked by the educated and the wealthy’.

‘Like South Africa today, sir’, I quipped. He paused. ‘It will be difficult for the world to understand that it will take generations to eliminate the structural roots and effects of Apartheid.’ ‘But’, I drove the point home, ‘You created the impression that the political compromises and concessions you made would lead to a dramatic change in the fortunes of black people’. ‘Dramatic?’ he asked. ‘In many ways we achieved dramatic results’.’ Like in sports’, I pressed further. ‘Sports is important to South Africans. It gave them confidence to believe things are possible. And it united them”. ‘But sir, it created a false sense of progress, and people here think it is all a gimmick by white people to create a diversion’.’ It is not a diversion, he countered. It is real. South Africans will have to come to terms with the reality that their country is a multi-racial, multi-cultural nation with rich and poor. Any efforts to reduce the gulf between the races and classes is useful, he insisted.

Then he was back to Nigeria. People had said to him that South Africa could become an alternative beacon of hope and inspiration for the black race and Africa. He told them it was always going to be Nigeria. Nigeria, Egypt and South Africa can provide a tripod for real change but young Africans need to capture that vision. ‘So’, he said to me, ‘If this audience has been useful, I am glad. But it will be more useful to me if you go back to Nigeria and work to give young Nigerians good education. Teach them the value of hard work and sacrifice, and discourage them from crimes which are destroying your image as a good people.’

I have re-lived that rare opportunity many times since that visit. The 30-minute audience lasted for one hour, and I was escorted out by a man I saw close up as human as anyone. I had rarely come across such candor about my country, but it was clearly the product of genuine concern that one of Africa’s greatest assets was being frittered away.

As he shook my hand to say goodbye, he apologized again over his comments, but assured me that he would love to see Nigeria grow and develop into a world economic power under a democratic system. If there is any comfort to draw from Mandela’s disappointment, it will be that he may not have observed our free-fall as a nation in the last five years

CraigB:

Take it up with your army.

They're the ones churning out refugees.

They were asked to save Naai-geria, but they are burning Naai-geria.

Oh! Every South African has a mind of his own and can speak freely and as an individual.

You wouldn't know anything about that, seeing as you murder your journalists.

(I learnt from the best, by the way).

every conflict creates refugees but clearly your too stupid to realize this are you telling me that south african and the rest of the un failed the refugees that were created because of the conflict ? you are honestly just an idiot