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Doslop:
The best ever strikers are blacks fact!- pele, delima, Eusebiuo, Henry, Drogba, etoo, weah, etc etc.
Midfielders- Ronaldinho, makalele, viera, seedof, gilberto, rivaldo, zidane, Okocha, etc etc
Left and right back- Roberto Carlos, evra, cafu, alves, Ashley cole, etc etc, name the respective whites that bears these few guys I've named in these technical positions!

De lima black?

Carlos Black?

Cafe black?

Are you kidding me?

Alves Black?

Please don't destroy this debate. Brazilians are so mixed that they cannot be described as Black.

If you remove Brazilians from your post, you realise that you have nothing. No real black names.

How was makalele technical or viera? Or gilberto Silva? Or Drogba?

Please don't dumb down this debate abeg

Diademk07:
Zidane is an algerian man. A black man.
Same with Benzema. Even their hair tells you they aint white.
The highlighted part of your post isn't exactly what Dopejemi implied. He wasn't just happy with us getting linked with lot of black players, not because they are africans.
Apart from Mane, we haven't been linked with many africa players.

Don't call North African a Black man abeg.

Zidane and Benzema are Arab not black.

elampiro:
This doesn't follow simple logic. Let’s look at percentage of white vs black players in European league first.

For instance, we could arrive that there are 85% of white players and 15% of black. Or may be 5,000 white players vs 1,000 black players.

We when you get the above figure, you can now proceed from there.

5 of the 11 players that lined up against Russia were black.

3 of them were defenders. One was a Winger

3 of the current German team are black. Two are defenders, one is a Winger

Half the Portuguese team is black. The black players are either defenders, defensive midfielders or wingers...

Czech Republic has a black player...he is a defender.

I could go on and on.

The current Dutch team is 50% black. They are mostly defenders, defensive midfielders and wingers.

France team has many black players...mostly defensive midfielders and defenders again

Look at the black players for Belgium

There's a reason this stereotype is repeated everywhere you look.

iPopAlomo:
Your point in this post is...?!

That's the exact reason I didn't reply her.

I couldn't find a point to her posts.

Doslop:
I have been following this thread for a long time without having any urge to post anything until today. How can any football fan in their right mind say blacks are less technically gifted? There is no physical and technical sport in the world blacks doesn't dominate exempt the ones we aren't very exposed.
Can any of you list more technical players in the history of football better than pele, delima, ronaldinho, Okocha, rivaldo, thiery Henry, Roberto Carlos, Denison, Patrick viera, seedorf, Drogba, etoo. Infact they are endless.
Forget the fact that football is more developed in Europe. Should Africans have same opportunities as they do, there's no competition. The blacks and white has their fair share of technical and Phidias players, should we look for the best technical players to have ever graced football, they definitely will be blacks. The only advantage the whites have is early training and more suffisticated facilities.

If you don't understand English, just jog on. It's not by force to contribute

chrisley024:
The funny thing is we, my friends and I, argue this since the draw is done live.

have you watched 'The Prestige'?

Blatter just telling you what everybody always supected....and Why Barca always gets easy draws

chrisley024:
Former FIFA president Sepp Blatter claims some European draws were fixed using "hot and cold balls.

Who nor know that one before....you think Uefalona is a joke term?

GBR1:
The blacks players born abroad who play football and have poor technique are like that because they do not possess a certain level of talent to work with. There are few black players abroad compared to the overall black population in Africa and when you have more a bigger sample size(like more blacks in a country relative to white) then you have a corresponding good number of black players who have very good technique coupled with excellent naturally occurring ability. That's a natural occurrence. You can say Europeans/South Americans are more naturally talented and i might agree but not when you say they have better technique simply because they are Caucasian. That's ridiculous. I play football leisurely in my spare time here with Russian folks(who are as Caucasian as you can get) and most of them have very poor technique and it's not that difficult to figure out why.

We can't assess the level of initial talent and training of you and your friends, but we can look at the professional football world where the players have all undergone more or less similar amounts of training...and have largely been categorised via the recruitment process.

Holland is a country known for it's emphasis on technical training and ability. When you look at the white players to emerge from holland recently, you have artists like Robben, Sneijder, VdV etc...

When you look at the black players to emerge from Holland, you have the likes of Davids, Seedorf, Martins Indi,Hasselbaink. The first two did have considerable technical skill, but they are largely remembered for their power, stamina and hot shots.

Pataki will tell you that there are a large population of dutch born blacks in the eredivisie, but they generally tend to be in the same mould as the second group. Just look at Depay for instance.

I have explained how this works already due to talent. How did the Europeans come to dominate football today when South American countries were the initial kings? There was an incredible influx of great players and footballing talents to Europe and the Europeans leagues became better coupled with an advantage in financial standings and everything footballing aspect simply improved.

Europe has been dominating football since the early days of the sport. It's nothing new. South America were not 'Initial kings'. Uruguay won the 1st ever world cup in 1930....Italy won the next two world cups.

Europe had more world cup wins than South America as far back as the 80s sef...so that theory is dead in the water...especially as the great South Americans of the early days of the sport mostly played in South America.

Aren't there even more black players in Africa than France? Why do France a country who has fewer blacks than Africa end up producing far better black players than even the black African countries?

Don't compare European born blacks to African blacks who haven't had the same level of training. Compare European born black footballers to European born white footballers who've had the same training and the difference is clear. Look at the boateng family. 2 Good players - Germany took the defender, and left Kevin Prince for Ghana. Why?( He's not technical enough). Infact almost all the blacks in Germany's first team - Rudiger, Tah, Boateng....are defenders.

Look at England. 5 of the players that started for England vs Russia are Black. 3 were defenders.1 was a winger. Why?

Look at Portugal - That one is even so deeply divided. Black players = Athletes and/or Ishon. Whites = Artists.

Why is it that Black players in Europe are either Brutish defenders, Brutish/Strong/Stamina defensive midfielders, or pacy wingers? Why is there no black Pirlo? Where is the Black Ozil?

You are reinforcing what I've said. Jay jay and Kanu were simply more talented folks than the rest and this coupled with their technique made them better players and those who tried to replicate their footballing abilities but failed were simply not talented enough.

Jay jay and Kanu were freaks and outliers...in a nation of pace and power, they were born with different other skills. They weren't fast or strong...they were completely different. The reaseon why we cant replicate them is that they are not usual occurrences here. Go to Europe and white JayJay and Kanu's boku.

This is just standard. At the last commonwealth games, I was watching England vs Austraiia table tennis doubles - ALl four of the players involved were Chinese.

Different skills for different races. Thats a fact.

lordfalcao:
conte don't play on the counter...

Last night was 90 minutes of Italian counter attacking

nateevs:
I disagree. Witsel was absolutely immense for Belgium intercepting and breaking up play at crucial moments in midfield for Belgium. Plus he started play from deep and his forward play was very good t watch.

Wilmots is the ididot who was trying to fit in names when he should have started with a Witsel Dembele midfield. I am surprised you came to this conclusion. And while Niangollan may not have been the pick of the night, he put himself about and I didn't see any passing deficiency.

Talking about passing deficiency and very amateurish first touch by the way, I am surprised you haven't commented on Lukaku's technique yet. And no, this is not a one-night occurrence, this is Lukaku on the big stage, every time.

Naingollan was statistically the worst central midfielder on the pitch for both teams. He had the worst pass completion percentage, fewest touches and attempted fewer passes of the entire Belgium back 6.

When you attempt only 26 passes as a CM, and can only complete 80% of them without producing a Key Pass...Nihilist will call that a passing deficiency.

I cannot imagine that guy in a pivot with Matic. We would never create anything.

If we wanted someone who can put himself about whilst being unable to pass the ball with accuracy...we should have just kept Ramires jejely.

Witsel recycled possesion well and played some nice short passes. Perhaps the issue here is that I expected a bit more from him given the usual hype here. Offensively, there was nothing to write home about for me. Defensively he wasnt too bad, but still allowed Giacherrini steal a March on him with that run that led to that goal. Giacherrini was also playing in central midfield.

So yeah imo Witsel gave an average performance and nothing really stood out. He was just meh. Considering Mikel has more or less elevated playing averagely to an art form, I didnt see anything from that game time suggest that Witsel is an upgrade on Mikel.

It's only one game though...so it's not enough to form a strong opinion, but that was my initial assessment.

Btw, I thought Lukaku played rubbish yesterday and his miss was shocking, but DeBruyne was even worse in my opinion.

Belgium just didn't get the ball up to Lukaku quick enough for most of thr game. Hazard was anonymous in the first half. Fellaini was dire in the number 10 role and KDB was surprisingly bad even though he created chances.

Martens was very impressive during his cameo. One thing I know is that Lukaku flourishes with a tricky winger and first time through balls. I remember he gave an interview somewhere when he talked about his budding partnership with deulofeu at everton, before Martinez screwed it up there.

I think that a trio of Hazard KDB Mertens behind lukaku should do wonders. KDB in the hole please...he looked so wasted on the flanks.

Bonnuci though

That guy can see your future. General overseer.

I don't know ifconte can replicate that counter attacking formation at Chelsea though.

We don't have that libero type defenderived with the eyes and feet to spot and ping those balls. Eric Dier and Vertoghne are two epl CBS who I know can do that. Maybe Emre Can

They say Stones is in that category too, but I've only seen him play nonsense so I don't know

Naingollan can't pass to save his life.

Witsel = Mikel in a blonde wig.

Too early to decide from one game, but that's what it looked like to me.

Lukaku played rubbish today.

Ibime:
Jack Cork just thoroughly outperformed Callum Chambers this season - someone he was asking for 3 weeks ago.

Jack Cork was proposed as a 4th/5th choice midfielder and 2nd/3rd choice right back, is Cobham trained and was available on a free transfer the coming summer.

Callum Chambers can also play two positions, is English trained (but not Chelsea trained) and was last transferred for £16m.

I understood his argument of having Callum Chambers as a versatile squad player for maybe £10-£12m who fulfills English trained criteria, and I didn't try to clown him about it.

But out of nowhere, he plucks Jack Cork out of the air and wants to reduce my suggestion of Jack Cork 18 months ago to a duplicitous simplification just to mock me.

Wetin concern today with Jack Cork? Is it necessary, or is it a case of trouble dey sleep, yanga go wake am.

This is the first time that I've understood where you're coming from.


But Ibime be honest.

Is there any opinion I've made that you haven't abused me for?

Why are you taking this thing so personal?

Mate its football and that's it.

I'm not mocking you. We've had our arguments in the past but surely you should know that there is no animosity from my side na?

Oya I promise that from henceforth I will not say anything that would come across as clowning or mocking you.

I am sorry

FBS:
Belgium vs Italy. No Chelsea supporter should miss it. So many ninjas on audition tonight. From Hazard to Conte.

To Witsel.

First time I will see him play tonight. And I've heard sooooooo much about him.

Ibime:
Yes of course. Discussion you and I were involved in on Schweinsteiger, Modric and Jack Cork keep popping in your mind out of nowhere. . . .yet you are only discussing football. . . . . like I said nigga, stay your lane, I stay my lane. If you address me indirectly, I will address you directly. Keep it simple and let's keep it moving. Ibime has no business with you.

Then you never ready.

Because 10 of you no reach to tell Nihilist what he can or cannot post about. I will make whatever football related posts I want to and refer to whatever football related convo I want to.


If you like hold high tension wire...thats on you nigga.

I'm done with you.

GBR1:
You are confusing technique and technical abilities which is a function of talent. I knew exactly what term dopejemi was referring to when he stated Black players have poor techniques and i understood what he meant.
Technically gifted refers to being extremely talented. "Technique" is a term used differently.
Jay jay's dribbling a 1000 people was due more to talent or natural abilities and not him having a good technique( though he possesses a good one). You can might have very limited talents but still possess a good technique. Technique here ranges from simple things like the way a player passes the ball. Are goal keepers talented or have good technique? There are extremely talented/good goal keepers who have problems kicking/passing the ball. That's due to technique.

I think you're the one who is getting confused.

Technique covers EVERY aspect of ball manipulation.

Slide tackling is as much a subset of Technique as is Shooting in my opinion.

Generally speaking most black\African players lack excellent technique, even the ones born abroad.

If you do a top 10 players of every technical skill known in footy, from dribbling to tackling, shooting to heading, passing to freekicks, I can bet you the list will be heavily dominated by Europeans/South Americans

If you do a top 10 of players with athletic attributes, it will be dominated by Black's and Africans

Thats just it. JayJay wasn't a physical force of nature. He was a bundle of skills. That's what made him and Kanu standout in a National team that is just known more for being fast and strong. That's the reason why we can't replicate those two. Oruma tried his hardest to be JJjnr...he just couldn't...because those two were exceptions not the norm to Africa

Trying to start an argument that I'm not even interested in. OK Jack Cork started 28 games for a relegation candidate...he is Chelsea quality. Happy?


Nobody mentioned your name. I referred to a discussion that I was involved in.

Why do you have to take everything so goddam personal?

Like seriously why?

Once someone has a different opinion to you, you begin to hyperventilate and start talking about how you're better than everybody in life.

We know you're not.

I will say what I want, when I want, how I want .

Don't scatter the thread. Just move on if you see something you don't like....as long as you're not insulted

This is just tiring now...

GBR1 I disagree.

I think that technique is a natural occuring talent otherwise there would be more than 1 Messi and 1 Ronaldo in this world.

The thing that elevates these guys is their exceptional technique.

I can guarantee that if you go to to the same Argentine slum that Messi was born in, and pick another 10 dwarves from an early age and take then to la masia, you will not be able to replicate Messi.

You can practice and train for the next 100 years and still never get there.

Then you get the likes of JayJay that grew up playing football on the streets and selling oranges, with the ability to drimble a whole team from back to front and back.

I think that Europe and South America have higher distribution of technically gifted players in a way that Africa simply doesn't have.

Dadehmola:
Una don start again.. bah?

@Nihilist, me thinks Ibime decision to follow you is an act of maturity - he probably feels una "beef" should be limited to online bants and all (i might be wrong though).

Shebi na London both of una dey ? One of these days, You guys should hangout and watch one of Chelsea's games together jare.

#Enoconcernmethough#

Demola can you tell me what I've done today?

See me see wahala o.

I was talking about Oscar and dude jumped in. That's cool. I was talking about Modric and referring to a conversation in which there were several people on both sides of the debate, and BOOM! Insult.

I didn't mention names or abuse any person.

But when someone who follows my account and who I've seen viewing my diary thread turns round to accuse me of being obsessed with him...I don't know what to say.

I really don't.

I'm not sure if you know this guy's MO. If we rewind back to that Emenalo debate, you will see that the guy jumped in with insults, and asked not to be disturbed....when he wasn't invited in the first place!

Even when I said, "no vex, please be going I will discuss with others"...he refused to be 'undisturbed' and started asking people not to 'educate that nigga'

Maturity my azz...what you're seeing here is a classic display of mental illness.


Check the history of the thread, and you will see he has tried it with everybody...from Nateevs to Griffon to Bigkesh...and many others.

Dude wants to be number 1 on the thread...which is fine by Nihilist.

All I want to do is post...so in the words of the eternal Jay-Z...."Can I live?"

sleekdot:
Na why I dey talk about EPL money teams be this. All of them na tunnel vision on the same set of players. After Copa America and Euro I expect all to be fighting for Hames, Stones, Pogba Verrati Isco

Alves and Pjanic don go Juve, Dortmund don pack all the youngsters in Europe,

Mehn o sun mi o.

Though I hear Pep wants stones, so hopefully we aren't tempted to sign that overhyped crap

FBS:
LOL. Tell am say you dey go toilet.

Nihilist:
That's a tasty looking squad right there.

IMO Ivanovic has to go, as well as JT. I'm not feeling Matic either sef. I would love a Kante- Coquelin Pivot though. Absolutely Looove it.

Roman please make it happen!

When people try to make themselves look important.

Nihilist is only obsessed with football.

"After all the injuries ... something like this happens. I can't play 90 or 120 minutes yet but I'm feeling like I can play.

-Bastian Schweinsteiger.

Dude can't even play 90 minutes anymore.

I remember at the start of the season, when there were calls to sign this pensioner and Jack Cork(who isn't even 1st choice at Swansea) as the solutions to our midfield problems.

Mehn...Hindsight is a wonderful thing

sleekdot:
I suspect Kante's father is a native doctor somewhere in Africa

Seems like it. There's a lot of interest in the upgraded version of Ramires.

Have you seen his legs though?!

That man does NOT miss leg day.

Seems like we can't even discuss football on the thread without self important demi-gods trying to make the convo about them...even when their names are not mentioned.

Mehn most definitely not today.

Trash belongs in the bin.

Liverpool join the fray for Kante?

Na wa o. Cue the scenes when the man can't handle the pressure of a big money move and flops next season....

Ibime:
[s]Are you talking out of the side of your mouth again? Wetin dey bite you for nyash?

So you did not know he had such pass completion rate when that debate was going on? Or you are just seeing it now.

That debate was only brought up because someone compared his first-time vision to Lampard, which I had to set straight . . . . it was a debate not on how many passes a ninja makes, but how often he makes killer first-time passes that lead to goals.

Mr man, kindly don't refer to me on these pages again, especially not in the duplicious and simplistic manner you paint my footie debates. Ibime has never been your mate in football, or life. Thanks[/s].

Ughhh...

Such classlessness.

Not today nigga.

Roma reportedly want to sign Wijnaldum as a replacement for Pjanic.


Meanwhile Manyo and Chelsea are reportedly bidding up to 80m pounds for the likes of Pogba and Verrati.

SMH for English clubs

FBS:
Coaches sef? Why do they feel they must make changes even when it ain't necessary? First it was that Roy, today na Czech Republic own. Na wa o.

Wish I could watch the game.

My manager dey give me close marking for here

Chelsea are preparing a bid of £24million for Napoli centre-back Kalidoi Koulibaly, according to Gazzetta dello Sport.

New boss Antonio Conte is already working on player recruitment with a centre-half top of his shopping list.

-Sky Sports.

That's interesting because Napoli's owner is already threatening to fine Koulibaly 'millions of pounds' for wanting to leave.

Personally I don't think the drama is worth it....for a player who will be absent for up to a month at crucial times every two years.

I've just seen that Modric had the 2nd highest pass completion rate in the whole la liga last season and made the la liga AND Champions league team of the season.

Not bad for a player who's been described as lacking first time vision.

AdeLaNa1:
Hatur

I doubt the story mode would be limited to only United tho. That wont make any sense.

You were right.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/13/fifa-17-new-engine-new-story-mode-and-five-more-key-additions