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raumdeuter:
Shey dem dey take people in UK make I begin relocate.

That Republican thing na another case.

Oyinbo wan show us say na dem get their country and they are about to take it back and I think trump has a very high chance of winning. Hillary isnt the most liked person

I am republican leaning and I support Jeb Bush.

Go watch this clip and see how rabidly people love Trump. There is nothing you can say that would stop his people


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkCifM0kDd0

Shet!

You can see how Ted Cruz was almost in tears.
Omo na the same thing here mehn, dem wan pursue immigrants from here.

The amount of anti-immigration rhetoric here na wa.

Raumdeuter, Kasich just handed in the towel.

Hope say you don pack your iron box and kpon kpon.

lekkie073:
I cant just imagine how comprehension dey hard u ......and to say u actually passed thru a tertiary institution...
now here is what I posted.....

all madrid start players either come from a BIG club or returns to a BIG club!

what exactly dont u understand there
i cant help ur situation more than this abeg

What is a 'Big Club'?

Can you define a 'Big Club' in isolation without contrasting to a small club?


The word 'Big' is a relative term. An object cannot be defined as 'Big' without comparing it to a smaller object.

Or can you please give us your 'definition of big club' and why say West Brom is not a 'big club'?

lekkie073:
dumb question
all elite clubs in europe r big clubs....
I did not mention anything like 'bigger' in my post. so u can start looking elsewhere for ur 'biggest club'

Madrid is biggest club in the world. By default, any player leaving Madrid is going to a small club, so by your own logic....all their players are average.

lekkie073:
what is this one saying
inference dey hard u
most madrid star players either come from a big club or returns to a big club
sneidjer
robben
ronaldo
Nistelrooy
zidane
de lima
kroos
di maria
........to name a few....
if james isco and bale will be available for transfers they would end up in a club playing in europe. ..days what we call above average players. ...not someone dat came from aston villa to manutd and after 3 yrs went to Blackburn

Name one club bigger than Madrid.

lekkie073:
major xtic of an average fortunate player
1. they come from a small club,play for a big club for some years and then go back to a small club
yorke is one...start counting
fortune
djemba djemba
e
t
c......

I imagine that every last player at Real Madrid are average and fortunate

raumdeuter:
So Bayern is ahead of Chelsea alphabetically? brilliant

Please direct your complaints to the webmaster of UEFA website sir.

raumdeuter:
How was Bayern rated above Chelsea that year? No be you post those images again abi na film trick

depends on how you sort it sir.

raumdeuter:
Club ranking are a cumulative 5 yr score. Not just a 1yr thing where a fluke run can influence results. No one would say Barca are not a top club or at least not better than City as at 2016 because they got knocked out earlier than City or that Juventus isnt better than WOlfsburg as at 2016

Doesn't change the simple fact that Both Barca and Bayern were rated higher than Chelsea that year.

raumdeuter:
WHat are you looking at? In 2011 Chelsea was ranked 3rd in Europe same with in 2012

Old man, this is is 2016.

You need to learn to use the sort function on web resources

raumdeuter:
Chelsea was a top team in 2012. In 2011, Chelsea was ranked 3rd in the UEFA club coefficient even ahead of bayern Madrid

http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/season=2011/index.html

Dont try to play dumb, everyone know when we say Europe we mean in continental competitions

The argument is you cant say Fergie exceeded expectations at Man Utd while Pep did not exceed expectations at Barcelona

From your very same link, I'm sure you can see that Chelsea was ranked 6th behind Barca, Madrid etc.

In 2012 when we won the the damn thing, we were level on points with Bayern and behind Barca, Madrid etc....And that's only because we won the UCL while finishing 6th in the league

So you can see that relative to the big boys, Chelsea was NOT a top club when we won it.

This is the second time your own links will let you down, unlike Kanye West

p.s When Lai Mohammed retires, You should lobby for his job. You have a good chance of getting it too

raumdeuter:
Chelsea was a top team when they won in Europe and Atletico is currently a top team.

What has Leicester won in Europe

Fact is Man Utd in late 90's and early 2000 was a top team in Europe. They slumped in the mid 2000 but late 2000 they were back to being a top team

Chelsea were a comparative top team in Europe the season they beat both Bayern and Barcelona? I didn't know that.

EPL is a European league. Leicester didn't win in in Mars bro.

I'm not sure what argument re Manyoo you're trying to make, when I made the exact same points you're making now like 3-4 pages ago.

Raumdeuter. Must. Try. Harder.

raumdeuter:
Pep made Barca the best team and the team people talk about. Thats why Peps Barca is the standard of all clubs from the past 2 decades

You are telling us Man Utd was good enough to win at the same time telling Man Utd was not a top team in Europe. Would you make up your mind?

You dont have to be a top team to win in Europe...ask Leicester, or Atletico, or Chelsea.

raumdeuter:
there have been league football in Germany before 1963. Thats why German teams were playing in the European cup way before 1963

If you are taking English league from 1888 and not 1992, then you should take Germany too from 1903

24 seasons of Premier league, 13 times Man Utd won 54% of Premier league titles

yawnnn

This was 3 pages ago.

Nihilist:
Now you're shifting the argument. You were previously speaking about the league up until 1999 and mentioned players like Stam, Yorke and Blomquist.. hence I also focused on that Era.

If we move to the Modern Era, I think that there's still a very good argument that Ferguson had the best squad or at the worst on par with his opposition

And anytime there was a better or equal team, Ferguson forfeited the title. Against Jose twice. Against Mancini. Against Ancelotti. I don't think Arsenal had a ever had a better squad than Manyoo as Henry and Viera papered over a lot of cracks in that team IMO.

The only time Fergusons squad was weak to me was in his final season. Prior to that Ferguson managed a team that was either the best or one of the best in the league.

So what else should we expect from him?

raumdeuter:
I wonder who posted the bold

In General, Ferguson's manyoo team was not the best team in the world and will never be spoken about in the same way as say Pep's Barca or Ancelotti's Milan.

However when it comes to a specific time frame, particularly the year 1999, I have insisted that United were definitely good enough to win in Europe, something which was backed up by the link you ironically posted to counter me.

Dayo give it up. You are clutching at straws here....You've literally got nothing on me!

raumdeuter:
For most of Fergies tenure at Man Utd who were the big 4? Blackburn Newcastle or what? 1986-2005 a period of almost 20yrs who were these big 4?

There was no bigger Big 1 than EPL for most of Fergies tenure

This is stale...I advise you to go back re-read my earlier posts, cos everything has been explained.

The Majority of Feruson's tenure in EPL, he had the better squad, and was thus expected to win in EPL....and he delivered.

Compare to Bayern.

Consider the league's history. Bayern has won 23 of 50 Bundesliga titles. (It will probably win its 24th this season.) Put differently, Bayern wins the Bundesliga 46 percent of the time. The league's 17 other teams almost always look up at the Bavarians.

Of Europe's big three leagues, the Bundesliga is the least competitive when measured in this way. Since the establishment of a national league in England in 1888, Manchester United, England's winningest team, has captured 20 titles. That's 16 percent of the total. In Spain, things are worse than in England. Real Madrid has won 32 La Liga titles; Barca has 22. That's about 38 and 26 percent, respectively. In the Bundesliga, the teams just behind Bayern—BvB and Borussia Mönchengladbach—have each won five championships, or ten percent of the league's titles.

You might argue that recent history proves otherwise. The last ten years saw four different league champions in Germany. But that's not really the point. Bayern's supremacy is the problem. The club won six of those ten titles.

Please join me to burnthisleaguedown.

raumdeuter:
For most of Fergies tenure at Man Utd who were the big 4? Blackburn Newcastle or what? 1986-2005 a period of almost 20yrs who were these big 4?

There was no bigger Big 1 than EPL for most of Fergies tenure

This is stale...I advise you to go back re-read my earlier posts, cos everything has been explained.

The Majority of Feruson's tenure in EPL, he had the better squad, and was thus expected to win in EPL....and he delivered.

Compare to Bayern.

Of Europe's big three leagues, the Bundesliga is the least competitive when measured in this way. Since the establishment of a national league in England in 1888, Manchester United, England's winningest team, has captured 20 titles. That's 16 percent of the total. In Spain, things are worse than in England. Real Madrid has won 32 La Liga titles; Barca has 22. That's about 38 and 26 percent, respectively. In the Bundesliga, the teams just behind Bayern—BvB and Borussia Mönchengladbach—have each won five championships, or ten percent of the league's titles.

You might argue that recent history proves otherwise. The last ten years saw four different league champions in Germany. But that's not really the point. Bayern's supremacy is the problem. The club won six of those ten titles.

Please join me to burnthisleaguedown.

raumdeuter:
Actually you are wrong, Man Utd in late 90 and early 2000 were a top ranked European team

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method2/trank2001.html

And Fergie also managed the best team in the world

As at 2000 how many teams in Europe were better than Man Utd? Man Utd was playing Madrid in the quarter final and Madrid was firm underdog. There was no Barca at that time either. So who were the teams better than Man Utd in 2000

You're yapping up the wrong tree.

I have already insisted that Manyoo had a team good enough to win in Europe in 1999....

Plus I'm sure you can see from the link YOU posted that Madrid were ranked higher than Manyoo in 1999, 2000 and 2001.

Congratulations, you just played yourself

.

raumdeuter:
The premier league was formed in 1992, Man Utd has won more than all other clubs combined together

I think it goes without saying that winning the league with Man utd is not a achievement

The level of opposition in EPL and Bayern are different.

That's why there was a 'big four' at one point.

In Germany, it's a big 'one'

raumdeuter:
I presume the argument is about Peps time at Barcelona? How did Ferguson meet expectation at Man Utd and Pep didnt at Barcelona?

In Europe, Ferguson didn't manage one of the best teams, though he managed a very good team... Pep is currently managing the club team currently ranked the 2nd best in Europe, and was previously managing the best team in the world.

http://www.ecaeurope.com/tabbed-content/club-ranking/

Bundesliga was founded in 1963.

Bayern has won the league 24 times times. The clubs with the next highest number of bundesliga wins and are still plying their trade in the same league are Gladbach and Dortmund with 5 wins apiece.

I think it goes without saying that winning the league with Bayern is not an 'achievement'.

The only place Bayern can 'achieve' is in Europe, and on that front, Pep has failed...3 times in a row like Tk n Cash.

This is not an 'opinion. It is a cold hard fact.

Bought Bloodborne over the weekend.

Struggling to see the hype

lekkie073:
how can u be using just a limited number of seasons to judge a player. if neville is not average then wes brown and oshea too r not average then.

if yorke was not average then berbatov too is not average.

if they r not average dat means they can rub shoulders with d best in d game.....is yorke in the same category with luis figo

I think the key words here are:

AT. THE. TIME.

Can you name a better epl right back in 1999?

Eastbay:
Shey na wetin you wan hear abi?

Ok.

Tell us how Fergie's 04 side was not inferior to Arsene's invincibles.

This was answered many posts ago....

Nihilist:
If we move to the Modern Era, I think that there's still a very good argument that Ferguson had the best squad or at the worst on par with his opposition


And anytime there was a better or equal team, Ferguson forfeited the title. Against Jose twice. Against Mancini. Against Ancelotti. I don't think Arsenal had a ever had a better squad than Manyoo as Henry and Viera papered over a lot of cracks in that team IMO.

The only time Fergusons squad was weak to me was in his final season. Prior to that Ferguson managed a team that was either the best or one of the best in the league.

So what else should we expect from him?

I already stated clearly that Ferguson forfeited the title whenever he met a team that was superior or at par with his own, so even if for the sake of argument, I concede that Arsenal was the better team that invincibles year(I dont), I am most definitely not contradicting myself.

The debate over Arsenal vs Manyoo squad is irrelevant to this discussion as that would merely be debating my qualitative opinion.

What I have put forward so far is facts, cold hard facts. And the facts have stated that you are chatting bollocks sir.

Eastbay:
Who was I referring to?
Jesper Blomqvist and Ronnie Johnsen was whom I was referring to.

In any case, the pair you mentioned each started less than half the total number of European games that season...so it's safe to say that Ferguson did not win the UCL with your self described 'rubbish players'. He won it with his strongest team which also happened to be one of the best in Europe!

Dwight Yorke was the best in his league?

A strikers job is to score goals. In 1999 Yorke was the highest goal scorer in the league. Quite simple he was the best that year. Otherwise, tell us who was better...

Eastbay:
Who was I referring to?
Jesper Blomqvist and Ronnie Johnsen was whom I was referring to.

And on the issue of chatting bollocks, I think you've had your own fair share already.
Do we need to get into the Fergie vs Invincibles claim or that Dwight Yorke was the best in his league?


If I haven't seen nonsense before, I just did.

Let me jog your tired memory.
I said....

Nihilist:
Now you're shifting the argument. You were previously speaking about the league up until 1999 and mentioned players like Stam, Yorke and Blomquist.. hence I also focused on that Era.

And you replied...

Eastbay:
I made that point in relation to the champions league.

The point is those players were rubbish players and still won the champions league.
you can backtrack and read it again.

What else can I say?

This dude is now beginning to argue with his own posts

Eastbay:
Oga nobody called them rubbish.
If one begins to hype the above-listed players, will you stake your credibility and concur?
to make matters worse, you are still harping on this club transfer thing.

I tire abeg.

Your very own words were:

Eastbay:
The point is those players were [size=28pt]rubbish players[/size] and still won the champions league.
you can backtrack and read it again.

Or was your account hacked like teebillz to write this?

So it begs the question, how could it be that these so called "rubbish players" were actually highly decorated at that particular time in point?

Instead of you to just admit your gaffe, you wanted to start chatting even more bollocks.

You mean the highest goal scorer that season and record signing was rubbish that same season? 2nd best player in the world that season was rubbish? Uefa best defender that year was rubbish?

Yet Simeone beat Pep.

Pep is not a victim of his own standards anything. Hes a victim of his own hype.

The only stage of the competition where Pep has met his 'mates' is at the Semi-finals.

Should we really be praising Pep as a genius for beating lille, bate borsov, Arsenal and Mancity?

He has better squads than those teams, and should be reasonable expected to beat them.

When he faces teams like Madrid and Bayern(ironically) who are more or less even from a technical standpoint, or Atletico Madrid and Chelsea who are more or less even from a tactical standpoint, he falters.

These are the games where the manager cant rely on having a superior team to his opponents, but instead must out think his opposition.

And he has failed every single time for the last four years.

So what other conclusion should we draw? Pep is a genius for beating Viktoria Plzen and Bate Borisov? With Robben and Messi?

Na wa o.

Kelechi ride on bro.

Injury can end your career tommorow.

Takw whatever you can take now and carry on. You might never ever get this chance again in your career but at least you'll know you've chopped it now.

If the likes of Delph, Navas, and Sterling are chopping it big, why shouldn't you?

Ride on bro!!

Eastbay:
I think this argument is one of perception.
You see it from the point of view that a manager with resources should win. But you and I know it always doesn't work out that way.

Pep inherited a treble winning squad and has not equaled the feat of his predecessor, which leads many to ask if he would have won if he didn't have the talent at his disposal in the first place.

As a United fan in the past I have queried how some players found their way into United. Fergie has managed some of the worst players I have ever seen (Djemba Djemba, Bellion, Bebe, Richardson, to name a few) yet they have one sort of medal or the other. I have often wondered how John O'Shea and Fletcher and Wes Brown have several league titles and have managed to carve out long careers.
That's the point I have been trying to pass across.


Fergie met United on its knees. As much as you may not like him, you have to agree that he did transform the side. No one is calling him the modern day re-incarnation of a divine being. I'm only saying he can't be termed a failure.

When you have world class players, you can afford to carry some dross. It sill doesnt make your team rubbish. Barca carried Valdes and Pinto for years. Carried Pedro. And are carrying Shakira's wife

They were/are still the best team in the world.

Eastbay:
I made that point in relation to the champions league.

You are inferring here.

The point is those players were rubbish players and still won the champions league.
you can backtrack and read it again.

I don't need to back track, I read it first time, and called it out as BS.

Ok lets look at Manyoo's 1999 squad.

It contained:

Gary Neville(PFA Team of the year 1999)
David Beckham(2nd best player of the year world AND Europe 1999)
Dwight Yorke(Club record transfer and league golden boot winner 1999)
Peter Schmeichel( UEFA keeper of the year 1998)
Andy Cole(2nd highest goal scorer in the league 1999)
Roy Keane
Ryan Giggs
Paul Scholes
Jaap Stam( UEFA Best defender in Europe 1999)


Yeah this team was really rubbish, and could not have been reasonable expected to win domestically and in Europe.