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Eastbay:
My case in point.
He didn't tear up the league except for that season.

Even that is up for debate. But we give him a pass.

He was not as prolific as you would want me to believe.


Transfer fees don't always make you legit.
Seba Veron cost United upwards of 28 million pounds, yet he was flogged off after just two seasons.


Nihilist, abeg, let's not be going back and forth on this matter.
I don't ride the train like you.

There's no back and forth...the train goes in only one direction. Of course a big money transfer can go on to flop, just like an over hyped bald headed fraud of a manager can also turn out to flop worse than caitlyn jenner's erecttion.

The question here was regarding expectation.

Should we expect them to flop while managing that array of talent?

Ferguson more or less matched up to his expectation.

Pep has not.

The side debate, yourself and i got into was only because of your post implying that sir rednose was some sort of miracle worker. He wasn't. He managed the one of the biggest teams in the modern era...and he delivered, unlike a bald headed, sweater wearing, team mate slapping, thousand yard staring, catalan fraud.

Eastbay:
But we're levying the same accusation that were are doing to Pep, aren't we?


It wasn't always the case sir.

From 2002 down, Fergie's sides were hardly the best on paper in England. In 2003 when United won the league, the perception was that Arsenal lost that title. You would look hard and deep to find a year from then on to say that United had the best squads year to year.

Now you're shifting the argument. You were previously speaking about the league up until 1999 and mentioned players like Stam, Yorke and Blomquist.. hence I also focused on that Era.

If we move to the Modern Era, I think that there's still a very good argument that Ferguson had the best squad or at the worst on par with his opposition

And anytime there was a better or equal team, Ferguson forfeited the title. Against Jose twice. Against Mancini. Against Ancelotti. I don't think Arsenal had a ever had a better squad than Manyoo as Henry and Viera papered over a lot of cracks in that team IMO.

The only time Fergusons squad was weak to me was in his final season. Prior to that Ferguson managed a team that was either the best or one of the best in the league.

So what else should we expect from him?

Eastbay:
Club record transfer now determines who is one of the best players abi?

You certainly can do better.

It's an indication of the club's assessment of the player's ability and worth.

The average transfer that season in the EPL cost 3 million pounds(see link below) Are you saying we shouldn't expect a striker that cost 14 million pounds to tear up the league?

Ok what should we have expected?

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/transfers/wettbewerb/GB1/plus/?saison_id=1998&s_w=&leihe=0&leihe=1&intern=0&intern=1

Eastbay:
No sir, I disagree.

With respect to talent, you cannot compare Fergie's teams to that of Pep's. Only deluded psychopaths like that ollah will tell you that.
Or do you want to start bringing names?

Pep has an arguably better side to work with in Bayern thatn Fergie probably ever did, yet he can't get past the semis.

I think your problem is your inability to understand relativity.

Ferguson had the best squads in England for much of his career in the EPL. The minimum expectation back then was that Ferguson would win the league.

This is a guy that broke the British transfer record at least twice, and Club transfer record several times. This is a guy that managed the most dominant side in EPL history. What else could be the minimum expectation from him.

The only argument you could have is the 'shoe get size' argument, by stating that Pep's Barca team was man for man better than Ferguson's Manyoo team, and you would have a point. But we're not comparing Pep to Fergsuon man to man.

We're tangentially comparing them in relation to their domestic and european opposition, and the fact remains that both men managed teams that were by far superior to their opposition especially domestically. I can still remember when the EPL was a competition for second place, because it was a foregone conclusion that Manyoo would finish first.

Eastbay:
Yorke was joint top scorer with Owen and Hasselbaink.
That was the only time he ever topped the charts, with only 18 league goals.
He was never England's best striker when he was active, abeg. Not when Fowler, Shearer and co still were there.

Kevin Philips topped the scorers chart along with Dion Dublin. That must make them among the best, no?

Please lecture me.

The simple fact remains that Dwight Yorke was one of the best in the league at the time. The rest of your post is either irrelevant or garbarge.

Dwight Yorke was the club record transfer in 1999, for a club that had won the most EPL titles, and finished as the highest goal scorer that year. What should we expect from his manager?

Kolade354:
All those ones na story.
The guy should just shut up cos I don't know what arsenal will gain for being 2nd on the log behind leicester(of all team)
That was how he said barca go hear am, they are wining the league, now to hoping spurs lose so they can be second.
The guy called spy should shup up once again.

So basically you just want to ignore facts and abuse simply because you have access to the internet.\

Ride on.

Eastbay:
Point noted.

But their careers (Yorke and Stam)didn't exactly become the stuff of legends. So are we going to equate them on the same level as the Barca side of 2009 because they were record transfers?

They were the best in the league at the time. Stam was actually the UEFA best defender of the year for back to back seasons between 1998 and 2000, and Dwight Yorke finished the season as the highest goal scorer in the league.

So the exact same argument against Pep could be levied against Ferguson. With the amount of talent available to him, walking the league and triumphing in Europe was the minimum expectation. Good job he delivered.

Kolade354:
Why are you always like this
You should bury your head in shame, and stop spewing rubbish.
Are you going to beat man city@home?
Spurs last 2 match are home matches.
Stop acting like a deluded fool.

Why are you insulting the guy for stating clear facts though?

Spurs have dropped points at home to Leicester, Westbrom, Newcastle in the league this season.

They've also lost to Palace and Dortmund at home in the cups. Their two most influential midfielders this season in Dembele and Alli are now out for the season, and obviously they are vulnerable having just lost the league.

Southampton are in redhot form now and have scored a whopping 8 goals in their last two games. Newcastle are desperately fighting relegation now with only 2 points between them and Norwich in 19th place.

Why is it so inconceivable that Spurs lose both games?

Arsenal are also in form right now, and if City progress tonight, then it's very likely that Pellegrini would be focusing exclusively on cementing his legacy in the UCL final. We saw Southampton demolish a City squad resting their key players only sunday, and if City get to the final, what's to say that Arsenal cannot profit?

Spy360 has a (deserved?) reputation for occasionally chatting shyte on this forum, but this is a situation where he was speaking very logically.

I don't think it's spy360 who's acting the fool on this occasion sir.

Eastbay:
You are an id1ot of unmitigated proportions.

Fergie never had the complement of stars that Fraudiola had. His first European triumph in 99 was basically homegrown talent. Yet you have the nerve to call someone who didn't start splashing the cash till later in his career a failure. Your argument becomes worse when you put Jose in this equation.

Barca team in transition had Eto' o, Messi, Henry, Xavi, Iniesta in 2009. We're not even talking of Puyol, Pique, Toure and Busquets.

You better tape that hole in front of your head you call a mouth shut. It's not compulsory that you must talk.

EPL started in 1992.

Ferguson broke the British/Club transfer record in 1993, 1995, 1998(twice), 2001(twice), 2002, and 2008.

Eastbay:
Oga, you must not talk everytime. It's too early in the day to be a m0ron.
Beckham, Giggs, Gary Neville, Nicky Butt, all started the finals in 1999. Where were they bought from? Yorke and Stam were basically good but not exceptional players.

ferguson broke the club transfer record twice in one season to buy these two.

I agree with your argument re Pep fraudiola, but it is also a fraud to try and paint Ferguson as a winner with 'home grown talent'. Ferguson more or less bought his way to the EPL titles.

raumdeuter:
The first leg came back to bite us in the asss.

For that Pep can take Bernat and Thiago along with him

With Muller's penalty miss I knew we are in for a long night. A CL semi isnt where you miss Penalty, Ask Barca and Messi

Finally we have come to the end of the Pep experiment, Its been just an average reign looking forward to the next manager when we dont have to line up CB's on the half way line

But Awoof penalties don't count na?

Pep is clearly the Tiwa Savage of Europe.

Doro nacking on a Skibby jibby

Fraudiola

No Chills like Vic Mensa mehn

GBR1:
They were expecting Muller to perform like Messi...

I swear down, when we pointed out that Messi was just a freak of nature, Dayo claimed that Pep made him want he is today.

Maybe muller is not a fan of pep talks

The only way Bayern can succeed in Europe...

Is to face German opposition

How can the catalan jesus lose 3 back to back to back semifinals?


DJ gimme TK n Cash- 3 times in a row abeg

Pep has lost 3 successive semifinals now.

World class genius

Dj please give me big rings.


Oh what a time

To be alive.

Simeone is about that thug life mehn

This is why we chased torres away

Smh.

Muller dey play rubbish though

Lewandodo dey ball sha

If only muller had scored that awoof penarity eh, Raumdeuter?

If only

Best keeper in the world.

Emaprince:
he's a fool for giving bayern a cheap penalty. But then, pulling of shirts, grapling and pushing of opponents during setpieces are inevitable. If refs should penalize defenders for any of these, then there MUST be a penalty in every setpiece situation.

He deflected thr ball into the net for the first goal, had already been warned by the ref for a foul, and that foul on Martinez was just too blatant...e remain small, e for start to dey beat Martinez for floor sef

This Ribery guy has a really bad case of short man syndrome

Awoof penalties don't count - Raumdeuter, 1972

This gimemez na born fool

See setpiece