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raumdeuter:
You are the one trying your best to dumb down this discussion

Before Chelsea, Drogba was Ligue 1 player of the year, Onze Dor(A French magazine) winner of 2004 and scored 30 goals in the season

Was Ferreira too unknown? Robben who Man utd and Chelsea fought over was unknown, Cech best keeper of French league unknown

Bros you are approaching the level of some people wey we no suppose mention abi shey na Friday night whiskey ni?

afrodoc2:
Let me simplify Nihilist point.
All these FAILURES as managers come to Barca and suddenly start winning titles and they go elsewhere and continue as failures
This makes us believe that you do not have to be a genius to be extra successful in Barca. U only have to be good or great.
IF FAILURES CAN BECOME SUCCESSFUL IN BARCA THEN ANYONE CAN

raumdeuter:
Chelsea finished second in 04, made the CL semi On top of that the

Next season got Mourinho(A CL winning coach) spent the most money in Europe bought Drogba(one of the best strikers in Europe) bought carvalho, Bought Cech, Paolo Ferreira, Arjen Robben

Chelsea were spending money and no one in Europe could match them

sebod:
The point is that there wouldn't have even been a team so strong without Pep. He got a losing team that finished 3rd on the log, transformed the team, made the team strong and won it all in the process. The team he made strong became the bench mark of football.

GBR1:
Good you said this. Fergie with a strong United team then had to play very defensive to go through. Basically the Barcelona pre Pep wasn't mediocre exactly; it was more of a case of underachieving though Pep deserves credit for a lot of other things.

Eruditor:
It's unfortunate if you felt my emphasis on the sextuple or in calling Pep a genius and Enrique a great coach was based on semantics.

What I would rather term as equally stuppid will be the notion that Tito winning just a league title, Tata winning nothing, and Enrique winning 5 out of 6 trophies is synonymous with replicating Pep's success. It is also superficial.

That Dead Cockroach won a league title when the Almighty Mou went trophyless in the same season with RM. So maybe that Dead Roach, is better than Mou?

If Pep breaking Jupp's record of winning the league with 7 games to go and adding the DFB-Pokal to it in his first season as well as playing a UCL semi-final is not him replicating some of his success at Barca, then I am lost for words.

Mou deserves his credit for winning the UCL with Porto and Inter, and whether another coach will replicate his success there is time based. Since Pep left Barca, they have won the UCL just once- last year, which means it is a stretch to say Barca continueS (now employing semantics)to win in his absence except you let me borrow from your school of reasoning and say that since RDM won a UCL with CFC (what Mou couldn't do) then every other achievement Mou had with Chelsea could easily be replicated.

raumdeuter:
Jose went to Madrid couldnt win, after he left they won

Jose went to Chelsea couldnt even make a final after he left they made a final

afrodoc2:
Exactly what I was saying and you were arguing
Player quality is more important and more crucial to success than manager quality

Eruditor:
1. That no team has not been able to successfully defend the UCL is not an Alibi for Barca not getting to the semis with the talent at their disposal.

2. Pep's crowing achievement was actually the SEXTUPLE, something Lucho hasn't been able to do with a better squad.

3. And because LVG will win an FA Cup does not mean that all the while Fergie was winning it, Fergie wasn't brilliant.

The point is Enrique is a very good coach but Pep is a genius.

raumdeuter:
Pep already laid the foundation which was what is key to Barcelona winning again. He made Messi, Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets into what they are today

And after him Barcelona went trophyless and are out by the quarters 2 times in 4 yrs. In Pep's 4yrs they never went trophyless never mind crashing out before a semi

raumdeuter:
Messi was a talent, It was Pep who pushed him to the limit where he is now. There is a huge difference between Messi scoring double digit goals and assists and the Messi scoring over 60goals a season under Pep. a 5ft7 player

Only Mourinho fanboys doubt Pep. If people doubt Pep, City wont suspend their coach to get him, Bayern wont go out of their way to get him and offer him extensions. If people doubt him, he wont be the most sought after coach on the planet

Pep's future was uncertain and every managers job immediately became at risk. Wenger had to speak up that him declaring himself available made everyone panic because he is that good

After Pep Barca has gotten 3 of the best 5 strikers in the world and have a trio that can be tagged the best in history yet they are out of the CL, tied on points with 3 games to go but if Pep had handled them and they are almost in the CL final and coasting to the league you would say anyone can do it

afrodoc2:
Another thing I want to state here. I have been telling my friends for months now that this Barca team is inferior to Pep's Barca team.

raumdeuter:
Getting rid of superstars(Ronaldino, Deco) and hoping on untested players(Pique, Busquets) or players that have been written off(Xavi) is a very risky venture.


Its like City having a poor season they hire their youth team coach who comes gets rid of Yaya Toure, Aguero and Kompany Promotes Adarabioyo and Faupala and Iheanacho change their brand of football entirely and win sextuple by December 2017. Would you say that youth manager was a passenger in the City win?

These same players you said Pep inherited were there when the team was finishing trophyless and 18points behind league leaders

After Pep, Barcelona has crashed out of the quarter finals twice which they never did in Pep 4 years

At barcelona he didnt get a better team, he made them better, He made Xavi better, he made Iniesta better, he made messi better he made Busquets better he made pedro better, Without him all of them probably would never reach the level they are Messi would probably be an unfilfilled 13goals a season winger, Xavi would have been sold and probably retired earlier, etc

At the beginning of 2008/2009 season would you say emphatically that barca would win the La liga? So how do you mean he never faced superior opposition?

Winning with underdogs is one thing, winning as a top dog is another thing. Mourinho has tasted both sides and he was sacked from the two clubs where he was top dog

afrodoc2:
Wetin be all this VMAs wey Nihilist and A40 dey talk? Abeg make una cause confusion here o

To the argument, Pep is a very good coach but his achievements have led to him being vastly overrated .
If you give Alex Ferguson or Ottmar Hitzfeld or the young Arrigo Sacchi that Barca team (with Messi,Xavi,Iniesta and Busquets all together and all at their peaks supported at different times by Zlatan,Henry,Ronaldinho and Etoo) those other coaches would have done the same or even more. Just my personal opinion

cao:
Actually, I can use my PS2 and simply look for my copy... Na trophy support I dey buy.

raumdeuter:
Looks like spambot slammed A40 on the Chelsea thread. I see he was the last poster on the Chelsea thread but his post was hidden

cao:
Hence why I'm still waiting...it's still pricey to me, £11.99 is closer to £12 than £11.

cao:
Nihilist, I'm tempted to play Bully, but I'm waiting for the price to reduce.

A40:
If that coprophiliac suffering FaggötDemola does not jump into Ogunpa River today then my name is not A-40