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I personally just get irritated when people bandy stats about without understanding what football is about.

Barca don't throw through balls about upandan. They are very patient with the ball. Often times, the ball goes through a long sequence of passes before it finds its way into the net. There's no rush to 'create chances'. The chances will come

What Iniesta and Xavi do..is control the tempo.

I'm sure many of you here will remember how Ibime was shouting how wanted Schweinsteiger back in the day...that's a man who used to average 4 league assists per season.

Will Ibime say he was vociferously advocating for an 'unproductive nigga'?

I mean come on...between 2010 and 2015 Pirlo registered 13 league assists on one occasion...the rest of the time he was averaging 4-5 assists per season

Of course, they will tell you that it was a deep position blah blah...but the fact of the matter is...most of the time players like Iniesta and co are not the ones that release the final ball.

They control the game and assist the assister.

I find it extremely idiotic that anybody will look at the highly decorated captain of the greatest club football team ever...and say he is unproductive

The only people allowed to say that are lobotomised zombies or people who don't understand football.

Does God have a God?

And does his God have a God?

And so on

nateevs:
Nihilist, Traore still saying hi.

Clinical ninjah.

Mehn I'm saying hi right back!

Traore!!!

FBS:
Honestly we should just blame US sports for all these stats rubbish. How can anyone say Iniesta is UNPRODUCTIVE? That ain't age, it's stupidity of the highest order.

And speaking of age, na him be say I senior all of una be that.

@Nihilist? F.ck. did you say pwd? Wow. You suppose know Ikeja High school na? And that crazy Airforce base.

Lol I went to school inside that base bro...at the time where your uniform was enough to get you stabbed by IHS, VGS, VHS, or command boys

The late 90s were crazy for secondary school students in Lagos sha

sleekdot:
Wait by 1999 you were already in UK yet you smoked weed before leaving Nigeria. That means you were smoking weed at 11yrs and under. That explains why you are a little slow

A normal boy that grew up in a football loving environment would already have faint memories by 7-8. By 9 would be able to name all the players in his favorite team and by 12 can make good analysis

My brother is 2yrs younger and can remember france 98 and has faint memories of Atlanta 96 because NTA overdosed his young mind with it

I only moved full time to UK in 05. I was traveling back and forth with family.

And well, I definitely started smoking before 11 and I can definitely remember that Okazaki is a striker. Don't know what that implies about your short term and working memory.

I vaguely remember USA 94 sef...cos I remember watching the Italy game at my grandmas house.

Finally fvck you....and when you see your brother tell him that nihilist said his egbon is an ori-agbon

Ibime:
Every child watched 1998. It doesn't mean you understood what you were watching.

In 1998, I was in Bulgaria watching that match getting ready to phuck some ho's.

Bros you no qualify to gist me about Zidane abeg. I done dey carry woman by the time you dey know who Zidane be.

1997/1998 season, Dayo would tell you of the epic battle between Del Piero and Ronaldo Lima for Serie A title. Every phucking week it was a war. Na Collina give Juve title because he denied Ronaldo clear penalty in the key deciding game and seconds later Del Piero went up and scored the winner. Zidane no be top 5 for Serie A that season.

You don start again

Is there a special advantage to remembering something that can easily be googled?

So if one old man for your street call you, una no fit debate the wonders of Pele?

Pele o

The only props I'll give you is that you dey sample oyibo toto while I was still harassing the housegirl for free quaves

Ibime:
Even 2001 is a disgrace.

That means you never had your senses till you were 15 or 16.

How could you have understood Zidane's best years if your head been never correct?

Haba mana...bro I watched France 98 with my elder brothers...

By 1998 I was already known at the local game centre called Baba Seun in PWD ikeja

Bros why wanna be downgrading me because of Iniesta argument?

sleekdot:
You once supported Emile Heskey? SMH

just agree you are slow. Your earliest memory of football was 2001? what were you doing in your pre-teen years? Jerking off to pictures of Spice girls?

Na spice girls dey reign that time though...with Mase, Eminem and DMX

But yeah a lot of my preteen years were spent jacking off....not a lot has changed since then...

And I beg you, dont knock Heskey though..

sleekdot:
Even till now does he have his full senses?

Back to the original argument

Nihilist. What do you think about a signing like Hames Rodriquez when you consider Chelseas needs. Is he a priority signing or just another Luxury signing?

I didn't kuku say James was required.

Na Ibime I dey tackle onto Iniesta issue as another episode of my running battle with him over midfield.

You guys just dey dissapoint me these days.


You as Mr Ramuzaki and Ibime on his Iniesta bollocks...

And you guys are the posters we dey gbojule say respectable pundits.

Ibime:
In 2003, you supported Leicester. Could you have your full senses in place by then?

It's either that or your development is slow.

I am only older than you by 3-4 years, yet you have to go back to 1994 to bamboozle my memory.

By 2003, you never even know yourself. Leicester City!!!

By 03 I was already a CFC fan...

It was the period between 1999 and 2001/2 I was supporting them Emile Heskey Neil Lennon and Muzzy Izzet.

Old man!

sleekdot:
Dem don dey smuggle Agbotikuyo weed enter London?

2014 ballon d or 5th place Muller

Ok 1 time...

Ibime:
English must be your problem because I don't see where you saw me say Iniesta is not a great player that you keep hounding me.

I said he is an unproductive nigga compared to niggas in his position.

Do you have problem with English. . . . or can you show me the product he produced?

You've been hounding me about Zizou all day but a young ninja like you will not remember that Zidane was stationed on the left wing for most of his Real career so how do you expect him to produce the numbers of an AM. He played mostly in the 1990s when teams played 4-4-2 and midfielders don't score that much. Zidane's goalscoring exploits in his era stacks up to any midfielder of his era. Were you dropped on the head as a child?

Leave such insight to the niggas who actually saw him play and understood what they were watching. In 2003, you were still a young boy supporting Leicester City with no idea what you were watching. You probably thought Zidane played behind the striker or something.

In 1998, Zidane won WPOTY solely for his World Cup performance. How many goals he scored for Juve is irrelevant. The World Cup made him. Ronaldo De Lima and Alex Del Piero were BY FAR the best club players that season. Ronaldo was Serie A Player of the year for reference.

In 2000, Luis Figo was BY FAR the best club player in the World. Zinedine Zidane snatched the WPOTY based solely on the Euros. It was like a monumental disgrace when Figo did not win that year. Figo made so much noise about it, they had to feel sorry for Figo and give it to him the following year. You cannot remember that. How much he produced for his club is irrelevant. On club performance alone, he could not smell top 10 in WPOTY that year. Totti was Serie A Player of the Year for reference.

So that just leaves 2003 when he actually produced some decent numbers at club level - but even still, was he the best player in Spain that year? It was either give the WPOTY award to Zidane or Thierry Henry. Zidane's residual status won the day.

So hardly of any of Zidane's WPOTY is due to club performance - so telling me about numbers he posted for the season means nothing. What he produced for French National Team is more relevant to this discussion than posting his club numbers which only saw him win League Player of the Year once in his life.

Your arrogance is just outstanding....Who is a 'young nigga'?

I turned 29 in January....I'm not a grandpa, but I'm definitely not a 'young nigga' and I'm old enough to remember watching Zizou live on TV. In fact, I went to my first live game in the UK in 1999. So please, please, please like James Brown....take several seats.

What I've been trying to drum into your coconut head is that numbers are not the only way of measuring 'production' otherwise the likes of Higuain, Lewandowski, Aguero and Co would be shoe-ins every year.

Football is an art. There is no stat invented that can caption the fear the Iniesta puts in his marker when he runs with the ball. What is the stat that captured that Zizou goal against Leverkusen? Just 'Goal Scored' innit? Not a stat for the complexity of the goal. No stat the angle of his hip as he took the Volley. No stat for the importance of the goal. Ditto Iniesta in 2009



Look you cant be voted 2nd, 3rd and 4th player in the world if you are 'unproductive'. You cant captain the greatest team of the modern era if you are 'unproductive'.

There's a reason why Iniesta's arguments by people who are more informed, intelligent, and OLDER than you tend to focus on whether he is the greatest AM after Zidane....

Better pull off your sunshades lest you fall in the gutter...old man

Ibime:
That is very nice to know although you are arguing with yourself.

Is there another definition of production that involves passing backwards from the AM position rather than trying to harm the opponent goal?

I just dey ignore your Xavi yarns since because Xavi posted great stats from his deep position which we discussed in detail yet you keep rehashing old arguments.

Zidane played in an era of 4-4-2 and was mostly arbitrarily stationed on the left wing at Madrid (Raul and Ronaldo upfront), and in a 2 man midfield at Juve (Del Piero + Trezeguet/another upfront) so once again you are yarning nonsense to yourself.

All I want to know is . . . why is Muller disobeying Pep's instructions?

It is not me that called Iniesta unproductive. . . . Iniesta himself went to beg Pep to teach him how to score and assist because he was ashamed of his productivity.

I'm not exactly sure what to make of the nonsense you are writing here...

Lampard in 2012/2013 played in an even more withdrawn role in the pivot and scored 15 goals league goals. Xavi's best ever total is 10 league goals. Zidane has never scored more than 10 league goals in his entire career....and the only time he scored the 10 was in France.

The years he won World Player of the year award, Zidane scored 4 and 9 league goals respectively.

Ibime you need to open your eyes and your mind and stop wearing sunshades at midnight. Goals and Assists are not the be all and end all of footy.

Football is an art as well as a science...

Ibime:
The excuses are growing longer by the day. Una go soon turn Iniesta to left-back to excuse his lack of production.

Iniesta has been an AM for most of his life.

The unproductive yarns came about because we were discussing whether or not Lampard would push Iniesta to the wing from the AM position.

For most of Iniesta's career, he has had Xavi and Busquets sitiing behind him, yet cannot produce like his mates.

The niggas said that Iniesta is not allowed to make assists or enter box to score as per Pep instruction.

I simply want to know why Muller is disobeying Pep's instructions.

Iniesta is definitely not 'unproductive'. There's a lot more to football than goals and assists.

Lampard easily outscored Zidane and Xavi yet never had the individual honours and recognition the latter 2 had

Muller has outscored Iniesta easily but yet has never been in the Ballon D'or top 5 in his life...whilst Iniesta has been voted 2nd, 3rd and 4th best player in the world

For all your bluster, your level of football thinking is occasionally very shallow...

Very very shallow....and it's a shame

Ibime:
Yes, he is unproductive compared to his mates like Muller and Lampard which was the original discussion anyway.

Do you want me to compare him to Shaqiri or Sunday Mba?

GTFOH nigga.

Some ninjas said Pep and tiki taka do not allow Iniesta to produce. I want to know what Muller is doing different in the same system under the same manager.

Lampard and Iniesta are CMs...Muller is not

I don't know why you keep bringing Muller into this conversation

Now to this rubbish 'Productive' yarns.

The other day you said it, I asked you very clearly who the better player was between Lampard and Xavi or Lampard and Zidane and you ran away

Pick any year you want, Lampard 'out-stats' those two....yet we know whassup

Such BS belongs in a bin...buried 6ft deep...on a planet outside the solar system.

This obsession and over-reliance in stats was supposed to have died with coogar

Ibime:
I will deal with these 2 clowns when I am free.

The same niggas that told us Iniesta can't score or assist under Pep system want to take umbrage when Muller scores and assist over 40 goals per season under the same Pep. Do they play in different positions or is it not the same manager and same tiki taka? What differentiates Muller from Iniesta?

Is it World Cup Golden boot, World Cup trophy, UCL or what that Iniesta has achieved that Muller hasn't? Why would Muller be threatening 50 goals and assists this season which Iniesta would take ten years to put together. Is there another definition of vision that involves passing backwards?

I will deal with Chelsea midfield issue later tonight.

Are you fvcking kidding me?

This is what Ibime always does...trying to switch the argument to Iniesta vs Muller.

That is NOT the argument.

The argument here is the idiocy of calling Iniesta 'unproductive'

That's an utterly stoopid statement to make

Muller vs Iniesta is an irrelevant discourse cos they don't do the same thing

bigkesh:
Even Ramdueter won't say Muller is Strong and Skillful...



The argument was Modric vs Lampard first time vision,of course he is better than most of our MFs

Better not confuse yourself...

There were 2 discussions on the day...and Ibime was trying to claim that Modric wasnt good enough on the basis on lower assist numbers...

This then led to Comparisons between Lampard and Xavi and Lampard and Zidane....which Ibime quickly avoided by posting 2 pages of GIFS

Ishilove:
Like seriously

'Goest and fucketh thyself'

The hidden caveat being...

'Or I will do it for you'

One PM....just One PM is all it takes...and you can enjoy the decades of coital bliss you both want and deserve

Thank me later

nateevs:
Hehehe. Scatter scatter fight. Meanwhile I see Lalaboi is sipping from Nihilist's glass.

No be fight...

I've been saying it from day 1...if you collate all Ibime's positions on midfield and use it as material for a career in standup comedy, you will overtake Basketmouth and Bovi within a year

Haba mana

Oscar is Visionless blah blah...Sterling is the truth

This season Sterling 5 league goals and 2 assists

Oscar 3 goals and 2 assists

And Sterling has played over 300 minutes more...for arguable the best team of individual talent in the league

Ibime needs to preface each of his utterances with a caveat emptor. You niggas better beware...

To be honest Ibime's arrogance sometimes can be so annoying.

He claimed that Vidal can't pass only last season...then Vidal got signed by a possession junkie

He has implied that Watford and Leicester and West Ham have better midfields than Chelsea

Made every excuse under the sun for Matic's loss of form...blaming Fabregas and Oscar

I don't even want to go back further than last summer...

Same Mikel the snail is now a mainstay in midfield.

Lemme not even talk to much...

i have made a terrible mistake

raumdeuter:
I hope we beat Mainz and knock them down from that 5th position.

I wouldnt want them in Europe next season as they would fall hand

It looks like They have already sold their best player Yunus Malli to Dortmund for next season

Time to give injured players a chance too to get playtime

You say?

DJ please give me Lil Kesh - Gbese

Gbese re o

Seems like Leicester's baba was working overtime tonight...

JackBizzle:
Amber Rose turned out to be a gold-digging slutt. Dated and benefited from different big men in Hollywood/Entertainment business.

I'm referring to Amber rose's insinuation that Kanye likes it up the nether end...

Ishilove chooses all her words carefully...and even when she chats crap, you can bet that each word was carefully curated before posting.

That reference to a stick, it's length, and it's position within your anatomy was not coincidental.

I hope you have some lube available....Theres a strapon with your name on it in Ishi's cupboard

Ishilove:
I have no feud with anyone. Logicboy can't do without mentioning my username because he has a 10-foot stick stuck up his ass.

*shrugs*

I was last active in this section 3 years ago, and you guys are still trading barbs when we all know you'd both rather trade body fluids instead.

At least now we know that Logicboy is in for the amber rose treatment...

I honestly felt like slapping that PE teacher looking Tony Pulis yesterday...

West Brom are definitely not getting relegated. They are not going to Europe. They have nothing to play for. They only need 5 points from 11 games and they are safe.

They just had to pour sand sand inside Leicester Garri sha.

Oloriburuku somebody.

Costa's finish though...

10 goals in his last 14

Whisper it quietly

Costa is back...

JackBizzle:
I find it time consuming. One woman already carries issues- cheating will then add another woman with issues and then, you'd have to be twisting to make sure that they both do not catch you.

One woman at a time. Efficient (saves time and money), safe(less chance of STDs/HIV) and a good PR for a man (public hates cheaters)

You never heard of the Chop and Clean Mouth protocol?

JackBizzle:
I have never cheated on any girl.

I'm a classic man

Nothing wrong with a little bit of cheating

Muskeeto

seems like the mods here are still just as unjust as before

Is HBG still a mod here sef? That looks like her pms influenced work

JackBizzle:
Jesus! I haven't gone ice skating in a long while!! Since I was a teenager!

#added to my holiday plans. North london, here I come.


@ Nihilist, do you ice skate?

Nope

I thoroughly hate the cold sef.