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Ibime:
Stop bringing back discredited arguments we have gone over several times.

It's like someone hit you on the head to be bringing up Xavi, Schweinsteiger and Pirlo. Are they Attacking Midfielders?

Zidane, you have confessed you never had your senses when you watched him play. His numbers are good compared to midfielders in 4-4-2 formation in his generation.

You just like to add mouth for no reason with no sense.

Quit repeating yourself. I hate dumb niggas.

Are you a fool?

Whats the difference between Xavi and Iniesta? Or Bastian and Iniesta? Or Pirlo and Iniesta? or Iniesta and Zidane?

Are they not all central midfielders?

If we even go the era of 442...Did Beckham and Giggs not play in that same era? Did they not have more assists than Zidane? Abi dem swear for you?

I've been going easy on you cos I no wan tear your pant for market square. Better check yourself before you wreck yourself...cos if i bring stats now from that era you go wound o.

nonsoroyalty:
is like u are a big fan of iniesta

Not really.The only player I'm a big fan of is C.Ororo

I just try to be objective where possible

dmcdad:
I just proved from the Neymar-Hazard whatever that stats doesn't matter. That is, although Neymar kills him statistically, it's other areas that worsen the case. Same cannot be said of Lampard. He kills Iniesta stats-wise, but is a learner where the Don is.

Now, before you coming pouncing on me with all your might, just know this; if Lampard shiits on Iniesta because he posses better stats, then you should also agree he shiits on Zidane/Xavi too. Agreed?

No point.

If you follow this discussion from the very beginning you'll see that I was the one who brought in Zidane and Xavi to the table.

Ibime gave every excuse under the sun why these so called unproductive niggas are acclaimed as some of the best that ever did it.

No point going there again.

Fact remains that Iniesta had far more individual awards than our Super Frank, assists and goals notwithstanding

Ibime:
So what is the final assist tally for Iniesta for Barcelona?

I'm 100% sure it is nowhere near the 150 Dayo was claiming yesterday.

I'm sure it is in the 100 region.

Someone should give us that number.

150 for club and country is very correct

ollah1:
Bimffo, Ibime and Hensben are sore losers on this one..

Na Ibime I blame for this one. The nigga is still in the throes of his relationship with Lampard...and is chatting bollocks.

Then Bimffo actually up the ante on the bollocks chatting and actually betted against Iniesta

Bimffo just dey lucky say there's no way to enforce the bet. In real life, boys for don sieze the C of O to his papa house

It reminds of a saying from Chinua Achebe's African Trilogy - Bimffo is the little bird nza who so far forgot himself after a heavy meal that he challenged his chi to a wrestling match

Bimffo:
Nihilist, get a well known website and bring Out Iniesta's stats from 2002 till date especially his goal scored and assists!

Dayo had already given you transfermarkt which a very reputable site.

No need to shout. Your own site doesn't ha e league data prior to 07/08 and doesn't pretend to do so.

You should have realised that as soon as you saw that Giggs doesn't have up to 150 assists according to them.

The honourable thing to do is accept your gaffe and apologise. That was a huge huge gaffe...

There's no other way you can spin it.

No Argument, Bimffo lost this one.

As soon I as I switched on my phone and saw Bimffo shouting, I was hoping that he wasn't going to use Statbunker for reference

Statbunker only have league info from 07/08 Iniesta debuted in 02/03

Sleekdot wins...too easily

airmark:
Its what it is. When one useless ramuzaki would be saying hazard was useless, waste of space, last season . all you barca mumus would be buttressing it with stats and senseless memes , now you are served your own dose , you are crying foul. I will just be watching. The day you tell me rodriguez didnt deserve his la liga award last season i will declare fatwa on that your yeye thread.

Mullah Airmark has spoken

Greatihex:
these are things should know if actually know the two players. Hazard is a better passer of the ball, he keeps the ball better, he is more brilliant in creating something with the ball especially when playing against defensive teams(that is, creating chances.) Hazard is also a better dribbler.

Kids, don't do drugs

Ibime:
When we discuss elite AMs, we have to look at the full package. Hence they are ELITE.

Iniesta gives me more than what I need in terms in terms of controlling the nitty gritty of midfield play, but he does not give me what I need in terms of the business end.

Mata gives me what I need in terms of goals and assists but does not give me anything in the nitty gritty of midfield.

It is no secret that that is why I love Lampard and that is why I love Muller. They are my standard for an AM. They bring what I need in an AM to the table. Simples.

Well there's a reason why you're not a championship winning manager

Diddyydiva:
of course he does.

remember his words ' Let's create man that he may have dominion over all other things.

And he created Man in his own image.


We are created in his image sister, So he shares certain facial features with Nihilist

An all powerful deity should not want to look like nihilist. At least nihilist will die. I can't contemplate a punishment more severe than looking into the mirror and seeing my mug smiling back at you...for all eternity

Obere4u:
Mata is productive but a passenger while Iniesta is not productive nor a passenger......



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#LeaveSentiment #TalkFootball

This illogical statement is actually the logical conclusion of the nonsensical arguments instigated by Ibime.

Obere, close your eyes and listen hard. There is a quiet voice whispering to you. It is telling you to switch off your laptop, disconnect your modem, remove the electric phase cutout for your house, then go to church tonight to pray for forgiveness.

That's the voice of your conscience bro.

Listen to it.

Ibime:
What is funny about this?

Ibime has been proven right about Mata to the point you actually agreed few months later . . . . despite screeching like a castrated goat at the loss of your hero.

Nobody is missing Mata nigga. . . . Manure fans are ready to pursue him out their club.

That's why I like my nigga Lampard. . . . a productive ninja who holds his own in any situation, whether the game turns defensive or whether attacking, he carries his own weight and that of his teammates.

You need to accept that Lampard was a unique, one-off talent.

You also need to accept that he has gone...and he's not coming back

A lot of these guys supporting your inane arguments don't realise that you compare every single midfielder to Lampard, instead of appreciating their own unique qualities

Ibime you need to let go....and stop acting like a psychotic ex who's boyfriend left her 10 years ago, but she still texts him every night...

teechudleyy:
Lol! @nihilist I see you. I see your brain but i'll say this.

That is not a mathematical proof of God. I have no proof except the believe tht theres more to life, and the existential questions i ask my universe.

Using Mathematics because it is the most logical item i can get hold of. I Only used to to quesrion the logic behind atheism, not to proove the existence of God.

Blind faith is not a bad thing.

I myself still have faith that a fantasised 3sum involving Giselle Bundchen,Aisha Buhari and dear old nihilist will soon become reality

I just don't go around pretending that this faith is grounded in any kind of logic...unlike one of your colleagues on this thread

sonOfLucifer:
Nihilist
I swear, when we take these arguments serious, we only encourage nonsense.

Oh boy, wetin man go do?

Dadehmola:
Iniesta is unproductive and rides on the efforts of others. ..

Fabregas is productive but cannot run and many chelsea fans want him out...

Una see wetin unnecessary stats-based punditry don cause??

Coogar - wherever you are, fùck you!!!


Meanwhile , I can see that Dayo is kinda treading softly cause hinself don misyarn untop this stats matter in the past!!

The same way Ibime pronounced 'productive nigga' Mata a passenger....and a gaggle of fans here actually agreed

I blame that useless coogar for this nonsense tbh

teechudleyy:
What is atheism? a lack of belief in theism. A belief that theres no God.

Mathematically, an entity created out of a null entity is a null entity. Its Like 8×0=0.

in that case, the existence of atheism itself, is the acknowledgment of God, but presenting God as a null entity.

If God doesnt exist dont you think Atheism wouldnt exist?

In conclusion, can we just say atheism is just a barrage. Of Words and conceptualization of what we dont really understand?

oya Debate. Cc amicable09, nihilist

Onus of proof lies with the theist

All this one is story.

We're talking about genderless featureless deity who is advertised as an ethereal money doubler, and extremely spiteful character who is unable to forgive until blood is spilled...including his own son's...

But why you are trying to use mathematics to prove his existence?

I mean this guy has a backstory spanning thousands of years, a huge and fully developed cast of supporting characters, a large number of watershed(literally) events, and a merchandise line patronised by billions of customers....and the best you can do to 'prove' his existence is give me a maths analogy?

teechudley I hail o

Ibime:
Don't be foolish. . . . is Fab4 not facing same problem at Chelsea?

The ninja is productive, but he can't run. . . . even with his assists upon assists, many Chelsea fans would prefer a more mobile midfielder.

I brought him up to show up the foolish excuses that Barcelona play a system that does not allow midfielders to produce.

What does that have to do with Iniesta aka Mr "Carry me Along"?

At least you finaly agree that Fab is lacking something.

That thing that he is lacking is what led him to be kicked out the most successful team of the modern era...despite being homegrown, schooled in the arts, and being in the prime of his life...

You call it 'mobility'. Whatever it was, it was clearly far far more important to Barca than the 8 goals and 12 assists in Fab's last season, and the 11 goals and 11 assists the season before....

Iniesta had 1 league assist last season, and only 7 the season before.

Rakitic had 11 league goals and 10 league assists in his last season at Sevilla...his first season at Barca it dropped to 5 and 7. This season his numbers are 4 and 0

You call it mobility. I call it je ne sais quoi...and it's the difference between being good...and being great.

amicable09:
Lol. I don't know about all these features you mentioned but I know he is God. He isn't human, he's a Spirit and I started earlier by saying there is neither male nor female.

God is indescribable.

So Basically God is a blank canvass upon which you project your expectations, beliefs, ideas, dogmas, morality, and looks?

Kingebukasblog...what do you have to say to this?

sleekdot:
OK. Anyone willing to moderate this

$1,000 Paypal account

This Poster said Iniesta went a whole season in La Liga without a goal or assist

I said he is wrong

This is how you chase them away...

So you honestly feel that guy has 1k dolls to waste?

Guy put 50-50 dolls and I go do boardman

amicable09:
Yes!

Now I rushed out the other time and couldn't explain why I said that earlier. Let me do so.

We call God different names based on our revelation of him. When he appeared to Moses, he referred to himself as the I am that I am, to Abraham his revelation of himself was different and to David he was so many things, his shepherd, his defense, his fortress, and so on. Many have called him the strong and breasted one and others have called him what they felt at that moment was appropriate for a God who showed up for them in a situation.

It was only once on the cross that Jesus called him, 'My God, My God...' because of the situation at the time. I've heard people say my mother has been a father and mother to me, that doesn't mean their mothers are male.

Then about us created in the image and after the likeness of God, that Scripture has a deeper meaning. It doesn't mean physical features like nose, mouth, eyes, hands and so on. As a matter of fact, the bible says "In his wings, there is healing...", the question then is, do we have wings? Do we say now that we weren't created in his image again? No.

In other words, 'God' is really just a subjective featureless 'experience' that can't really be described?

Genderless, possibly winged, potentially a military building, and possessing a set of jugs?

I'm only asking because I want to be absolutely certain of your position

hensben:
what does iniesta do that lampard is not better at?

Bro lets not go there....

Lampard is our legend...let us just respect him as such

[quote author=hensben post=43562275][/quote]Meme of the year!!!!

Ibime:
Fab left because he wasn't mobile enough, not because of no phucking contribution.

Barcelona underachieved in that period because Messi and Pedro went down a little bit, Suarez was not there, Xavi lost his ankles etc.

WTF did Iniesta do to contribute? Nothing!

He waited for MSN to come and carry him along again.

Iniesta always waits for go-getters to come and carry him along. Never compare him to real difference makers in terms of production.

But this doesn't make sense

Fab(8 goals 12 assists in his last league season at Barca) was sent away to be replaced by Rakitic(5 goals and 7 assists in his last league season at Barca)

Mobility.

You don't need a prophet to tell you that Barca require something different from their midfielders

My friend bite the bullet and accept that you've goofed once again...to add to your large catalogue of goofs from the past.

amicable09:
Because that's how we chose him to be.

So we can choose God to be our mother?

amicable09:
Sorry to come in here but I should say in the realm of the spirit there is neither male nor female.

So why is God constantly referred to as 'our father'?

Ibime:
The big difference is that Schweinsteiger and Pirlo play in the pivot/DM so comparison holds no water.

Iniesta controlling the tempo is bollocks - an excuse not to be productive. Busquets and Xavi control the tempo, not Iniesta.

Take Iniesta out that team and the tempo is still overly controlled. It does not need Iniesta.

Barca never lost one percentage of possession or tempo if they took out Iniesta and brought in Seydou Keita.

The DMs control tempo, the AMs produce. That is the way of football.

Oga park well and on ya inner light

We've shown you several articles that have proven that Iniesta plays as a CM not AM

That being said, how can you say Iniesta does not control tempo? Have you been smoking lala?

Ibime have you asked yourself why Fabregas that gives goals and assist was chased from Barca while Iniesta stayed?

Or why Toure left and Busquet stayed?

Goals and assists are secondary deliverables to being able to keep the ball at Barca.

Raised and taught to play tiki-taka, Fabregas played like he was restricted by the style of football...

....Arsenal’s style of football is said to be the closest to that of Barcelona. Both teams always like to keep possession. However, Arsenal are much more direct than Barcelona. Fabregas always tried playing through-balls behind opposition defenses at Arsenal, and this continued trend did him no favors at Barcelona.

At Barcelona, the players pass the ball until they find a true opening in the opposition defense to exploit, and then the ball is played in to that player. Fabregas, in his time at Barcelona, was often accused of giving away possession all too often. He tried playing the ball in behind too many times, often resulting in the opposition gaining possession of the ball

http://worldsoccertalk.com/2014/10/12/why-cesc-fabregas-never-lived-up-to-his-potential-at-barcelona/

Even when he had far more goals and assists than Iniesta, this so called productive nigga was either played out of position or riding the bench before being chased away and replaced by Rakitic.

Barca paint football...they don't play it.The point is that they play a style that isn't necessarily quantifiable by numbers in the way other teams are. Goals and assists from midfield are less relevant than keeping the ball. Difference between defence and midfield is blurred...we heard the other day how Machsherano said he starts pressing in the same area as Busquets.

They average 62% possesion per game....for around 56 whole minutes of a 90 minute game, their oponnents don't even see ball to touch. You think they can maintain that with the assist chasing CMs?

Dude lay off the chiba!

KingEbukasBlog:
The revelation of God unto man gave the perception of him being masculine - Father , Son of Man , Protector , Avenger , Our Strength , Judge , Powerful etc .

I'm asking how you know...not how you were told in a book.

I mean even the bible says God made man his image...Are you suggesting that Eve(and females) are not made in the image of God?

KingEbukasBlog:
Oh brother ... You still have not understood the Logic of God and Everything
God is eternal . And the existence of an uncaused creator is logical . People who fight against the belief in God are proposing that the universe is uncaused . There are still and will never be an evidence for that .
The existence of the constituents of the universe and their functionalities plead for the existence of an eternal creator , an ALL in ALL . Can you prove the universe needs no creator or you gona entertain me with rational assumptions .
A rational stance, aside Religion , is understanding the "God model" - EVERYTHING is His/Him and He is EVERYWHERE . Can you refute that ?
Oh dear ! You did not just being up the omnipotence paradox !
Can you arm wrestle with yourself ? Oh beat yourself in a wrestling contest ? So that statement alone is illogical
Guy this is the modern age and you are bringing up obsolete mentally vapid arguments ? You need to understand the Logic of God and EVERYTHING .
If the mental picture I want you to grasp is too bright and sharp and I can tone it down you know

How do you even know God is a 'Him'?

Is his gender provable?

JackBizzle:
Logic and God are opposites. There is no way you can argue for God logically. What you have is faith.

Who created God? Logic fail
Can God create a rock he cannot lift? Logic fail

That argument irritates me greatly.

The whole concept of intelligent design too.

Here on planet earth,commercial products are usually designed by a team of designers, and can involve as many a couple thousand people to bring the product to market.

I wonder what the celestial labour force consists of...and if they are unionised

That'w why I think the Hindus and the 33 million gods they believe in are actually a bit more grounded in reality...economic reality that is.

Emaprince:
My question is: why do barca fans and dayo use stats to judge and diminish hazards good jobs in the field of play?

Iniesta is now on the receiving end of the same kind of criticism, story don change. Hypocrites!!

This was an argument between myself and Ibime and then Dayo weighed in. I don't know if other people are getting involved to wind Barca fans up or whatnot...between the 3 of us, I don't think there's anything like hypocrisy involved.

sebod:
You have seen Iniesta play and understand how the system works in Barca and the national team. Xavi-Iniesta combination is hailed as probably the best dual combo in the world. How Xavi is praised and Iniesta crucified is laughable. Messi was once louded for being aided by Xavi and Iniesta. Only those that check highlights and run to the Internet for stats would underrate his achievement in the world of football.

Riquelme is widely regarded as the greatest if not one of the greatest number 10s in the history of the game...he retired with 52 career assists. Zidane retired with 46.. The great Ronaldinho finished with 127 assists....incidentally the same number as Iniesta...except half of those were in lesser leagues sef...

Goddam unproductive niggas...