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nateevs:
Feel so sorry for him. Now he understands that real football management is different from Sky analysis.

Ibime:
Modric lacks first time vision.

Does he lack vision to find his man in the midfield? No.

90% of the time his pass will find you and you lot can play give I give football. If Im looking for a ninja to control possession in my midfield, Modric is one of the first ninjas I will call.

But he ABSOLUTELY lacks the first time vision to release his man in the final third. This kind of vision is a split second vision to put the man through before the defence can organise themselves. To have this kind of vision, your head must be swivelling on your neck at all times to know where your strikers are even BEFORE you receive the ball. If you pause for a millisecond, it is too late as the defence would block off the striker. Hesitation is fatal and speed of the action is key. Sometimes you cant even afford to trap the ball or the chance may be lost. Modric aint got that. He is no killer.

hensben:
I will not say modric lack vision due to his no of assist all this years, he is a cmf even if he was played as AMF during his time at Tottenham. Lampard is king of one-time pass. Over all lampard is superior to him.

hensben:
Im not the only person in support of ibime's assertion. Can't you see, their mutism on this matter says it all. Just that their sentimental mind(anti-Chelsea madness) can't allow them say it out.

Ibime:
And where do you believe Xavi played?

50% of the time Xavi is the first man to receive the ball from Barca back four, spin the half turn and start the possession game. Xavi can be found in his own half often as much as Toure or Bousquets. Thats why I call him a typical no4 ie deep lying playmaker. Iniesta is the one you can compare to Lampard positionally.

Meanwhile I want to recommend you for acknowledging that Lampard was never a no10. It just puts his achievements into perspective because he was involved in all aspects of midfield play from defending to attacking and still posted astronomical assists and goals. These days you have lazy no10s whose work only starts in the opposition half and theyll be contributing only 1/3rd of the goals and assists that Lampard was posting. *****Spits on no10s****

Ibime:
Xavi at his best posted great numbers from a deeper position.

I expect Lampard to post the same or less if he played in the no4 position.

Why is it so difficult for you to understand English?

Ibime:
Xavi of the early years is not the Xavi we talk about. Simples.

In 2005, you dare not mention Xavi and Lampard in the same sentence. Lampard was already World renowned while Xavi was still finding his feet.

Xavi was not assured of his place and wasnt a killer. Im sure quite a few of his appearances back then are off the bench.

When you talk of Barca midfield up till 2007, only Van Bommel and Deco are assured of their shirt. Xavi, Iniesta and the rest of them rotate in and out.

Mikel also posts 30-40 appearances per season for most of his Chelsea career and is by no means an assured nigga.

Im sure Anelka has lot more career goals than Drogba. We cannot compare Drogba pre-2004 with Anelka when weighing up their productivity.

When you talk of Xavi, talk of the Xavi we laud from after 2007.

All that early comparisons dont count here. Even before we started this argument, I already set you the frame of reference for Xavi as 2009-2013 ab initio.

Modric is not to be classed with first time killers. Simples.

Ibime:
Youre the one missing the point entirely.

You cant claim to have killer instinct vision and not have assists.

Xavis nos from 2009 to 2013 stack up against Lampards especially from a deep position.

You cant look at Lampards whole career assists and say Xavis doesnt add up.

We compare them in their peak years which is what makes them what they are.

Pre-2007 when Xavi was seeking exit from Barca and sitting on the bench for Deco cannot be counted. By the time Xavi even became assured of his place in Barca team, Lampard was already 2nd in WPOTY and has 80-100 assist head start.

We would not look at Xavis early years anymore than we would judge Riyad Mahrez on his early years in France. The Xavi we know as overseer is the Xavi of the later years.

Modric however is a confirmed unproductive nigga. He has been given first team shirt as an attacking midfielder at Spurs and could not kill. He came to Madrid and often plays further up than Xavi. Still cannot kill. His career record of assists reads 3, 4, 4, 3 etc with only one season where he managed 9 assists. I posted those gifs of Lampard to show how killer first-time vision translates into assists. Modric aint got it!!!

Ibime:
Can you show me where I mentioned league only?

Do you know that 10 assists in league only is considered a good season?

Do you know that Lampard once won award for highest assister in the league with only 10 assists?

Do you know that Thierry Henry holds the record for league assists with only 19 assists?

Do you know that for a player in Xavis deep position to post 10 league assists is a minor miracle? Much less the 13 he posted in 09/10.



See above. In the position Xavi plays, it is a miracle.

Which is why Fabregas is a VISION GOD for posting 18 assists from the pivot last season.

Ibime:
Nigga your father does not pay me school fees to educate you in simple arithmetic.

I said in Xavis peak years from 2009 to 2013, he is a double figure nigga.

You posted up stats which prove he is a double figure nigga and now asking me stupid arithmetic question.

Xavi posts double figures per season from a deeper position which tells me his vision is spot on.

Are you dense or are you dumb? Do you expect a grown man like me to have to add up the figures you posted to drum it in your head?

Oya lemme add them up. . . . next time, pay your school fees first.

Below is two ninjas in two different categories of vision:

You can see from the stats above how Xavi only got 'double figure assists' once in la liga between 2009 and 2015

hensben:
I quit understand your point bro. The problem with most guys on here when you say delap had a better throw than okocha then they think you are implying delap is a better footballer than okocha. Their sentimental mind make them reason illogical..Lampard>>>>modric though.

Ibime:
That's just a sample of some of Lampard's first-time assists. . . which should be more that Modric's whole career assists in the top leagues.

When I talk of first-time vision, I already know what I am saying before I said it.

Some shyt happens too fast for slow niggas to catch. . . they will be busy hailing ineffective touches of the ball that look good.

Lampard's first-time vision belongs in an elite category you don't mention any and any nigga in.

That's why some niggas be closing on 200 career assists and some niggas cannot hit double figures for one season in their life. . . they cannot be compared because they are not effective enough, and do not have the vision of their teammates positions BEFORE they receive the ball to release balls with urgency.

Sorry for blowing una data.

Ibime:
I know Maths isnt your strong point as you have proved in the past.

Get your calculator out and show me where he posted single digit assists bar 1 year from 2009-2013. Thats without Copa Del Rey stats sef. You just proved my point nigga.

When you are finished, show me a single season with double digit assist from Modric.

Even on crutches and on bench in 2015, he still outassisted Modric in the league!!

Ibime:
Nigga Xavi had a run of years of assisting double figures. One season he assisted either 17 or 23 goals. Cant remember. Im on train.

Modric has never assisted more than 9 goals in his career. Almost every year he assists 4 or 5.

Modric would sell his grandmother to have KDBs vision.

Every ninja would give reason why they cant assist until a nigga with vision join their club and start assisting double figures.

Na so Modric fans talk say he is only assisting 4 or 5 goals at Tottenham because na Spurs and if he come to Chelsea he will assist double figures. Even better he went to Madrid and still putting up disgraceful no of assists.

At Spurs, VDV came and started producing instantly. In the same Spurs. They even had to push Modric back into CM due to lack of productivity.

If Modric goes to Man City today, fan boys will start giving us stories why he cant assist. Something KDB is finding like water.

Ibime:
Nigga Xavi had a run of years of assisting double figures. One season he assisted either 17 or 23 goals. Cant remember. Im on train.

Modric has never assisted more than 9 goals in his career. Almost every year he assists 4 or 5.

Modric would sell his grandmother to have KDBs vision.

Every ninja would give reason why they cant assist until a nigga with vision join their club and start assisting double figures.

Na so Modric fans talk say he is only assisting 4 or 5 goals at Tottenham because na Spurs and if he come to Chelsea he will assist double figures. Even better he went to Madrid and still putting up disgraceful no of assists.

At Spurs, VDV came and started producing instantly. In the same Spurs. They even had to push Modric back into CM due to lack of productivity.

If Modric goes to Man City today, fan boys will start giving us stories why he cant assist. Something KDB is finding like water.

sleekdot:
How do you mean Nkem?

Ibime:
I dont deal in circumstantial evidence.

Tell me how many assists Modric makes a season from these.

Madrid and Spurs strikers must be wastemen.

Sunday Oliseh made 5 first time balls in Tunisia 94 for strikers to score. This is the kind of indisputable fact I want to see, not dem say dem say. He proved his first time vision and sense of urgency in that tournament. Not telling me conjectures.

Ibime:
Nobody is arguing importance or midfield dominance. We are talking 1st time vision with no dulling.

Dembele is uber important to Spurs and can match all the regular passing stats but cannot match the vision to put niggas clear on goal with regularity.

Demvele like Modric is more focused on taking a neat touch first by which time niggas like Lampard have already released the striker.

The qualities that come together to make the above pass happen each deserve mention–Modric’s first touch keeps the ball under control so that he can use his body to hold off the man just behind him. He then dribbles into exactly the right area of space to give him room to make the pass so that the onrushing defender can’t break the pass up before it gets to the Madrid striker. Once Modric has the ball in the right position, he then has to weight the ball correctly and place it in an area where the striker can pick it up and run with it–and this is about a 35 yard pass that he is hitting on the run with a defender bearing down on him.

And Modric does this sort of thing routinely. But he also is able to pick up the ball in more advanced positions and run directly at the defense. The clip below shows this aspect of his game:

Ibime:
What line is there to tow about clear numbers?

Does Modric break defence line 50 times a season with first time mid-long range pass and strikers only score 5 of them? GTFOH.

If I show you KDB, Fab4 or Lampard assist videos you will see assist after assist of when they get the ball and spring mid-long range pass instantly without dribbling, shimmying or even controlling the ball and bang, its a goal. [/b]They see the picture before they receive the ball. Thats the key difference.

If I show you Sunday Olisehs 5 assists for SE in Tunisia 1994, you would understand the discussion we are having here.

The Madrid press was circling. Speculation on Ancelotti's future was rife. Supporters' groups were ready to revolt. The Bernabeu was tense, uncompromising—especially so.

But then, Luka Modric intervened.
[b]Receiving a pass from Cristiano Ronaldo, the Croatian, just ahead of the halfway line, didn't bother with a touch and instead hit the most sublime, first-time, outside-of-the-boot chip to a surging Gareth Bale. Goal. As the Welshman finished the move, Modric could be seen in the background, twisting his posture like a golfer watching a long putt, admiring his work.

Less than a minute later, Modric played exactly the same ball to Bale again, wiping out the Basel defence once more and releasing the former Tottenham Hotspur forward into space down the right flank. With the most simple of passes, Bale found Ronaldo. Goal.

Most notable is his passing, with the 878 Modric has completed in the opposition half of the pitch in La Liga easily the highest of any Real player (Di Maria is next with 650).

His passing accuracy in the league (90%) is the highest it has been since leaving Dinamo and the highest of any midfielder in Europe's top five leagues who have five or more assists this season

His involvement was classic Modric –the assist to the assist. There is an unselfishness to his game that defies statistical analysis. Modric is more than the numbers – both a visceral joy to watch and the perfect partner to those around him. As Sevilla star and international team-mate Ivan Rakitic puts it: “Modric is a great player who is different from the rest and thinks before everybody else.”

Ibime:
If you like faint sef.

Modric has not got the first time vision of the niggas I mentioned. I say the same for Iniesta.

We're not talking about bossing midfield here. We're talking about releasing niggas on goal instantly before the opposition defence know whats happening.

Mr Modric can never be classed in those category of niggas with his 5 assists a season average. His vision cannot compare.

Men lie, women lie, numbers dont.

afrodoc2:
Where are Coogar's hype men?

Otamendi has been a really big heap of shyte this season and the Otamendi/Mangala partnership is the main reason City have not run away with the title yet.

RVP has not exactly set the Turkish league alight either.

Lacazette has been firing blanks on all cylinders in the French league and Anderson has disappeared from Europe like the fart of a leprous witch

And Torres? Torres that has scored just.....in fact the less said about Torres the better.