₦airaland Forum

coogar:
the same romero is the #1 goalie of argentina that is currently number one club in FIFA ranking. it's fair to say you are either high on shrooms or angel dust to believe the nonsense you typed up there. you mean a huge football nation like argentina cannot do better than romero? what is it with chelsea fans and their uncanny ability to let shyte fall out of their mouths?

My friend shut up if you have nothing reasonable to say.

Romero is a professional number 2, that's why he has played less than 15 games in the last 2 seasons whilst being fully fit.

He was a number 2 at sampdoria. Went on loan to Monaco to become number 2 there. Came back to Sampdoria to become number 2 again. Was released from his contract.

Then signed for Manyoo as a number 2 again. That he is a the number 1 keeper for Argentina merely underlines the paucity of options they have in that department.

afrodoc2:
Who would like to exit your squad and who would u like in?

Mikel and Cuadrado out

my ideal Mikel signing would be Pogba, though I would also have been extremely happy with Milner.

I like Oxlade Chamberlain a lot too, but my ideal replacement for Cuadrado would be C. Ororo.

JayKayMaybachz:
✔ ✔ What do you expect?
Brit things.. . Mou said he doesn't need much recruits
That he's team is quite okay

The team is very OK, but I feel if we must spend 28 million, we should spend it on a player that actually improves the team.

Stones will not even see shirt till maybe next season when JT retires. That money is too much for him

JayKayMaybachz:
✔ ✔ Same brov

So how's it going down Mou with transfers?

Mou na ode this window. Either that or his hands have been tied by the powers that be.

28 million on stones is the height of madness, especially when we still need a CM

JayKayMaybachz:


Don't worry

Good.

Make just keep am cool. Me sef respect you.

One love

JayKayMaybachz:
Nihilist no dhey quote me when you no wan provoke me


You are the only Chelsea fan that I respect in this thread

So let it be that way.. . If you quote me aqain in an ardent way

I'mma find you, and I'll slap understanding into ya life. So that next time you'll always understand me before quoting negatively

Slap with which hand?

Boss PM your location to jackbauersballs@gmail.com

I will save you the stress of finding me so that I can recieve that slap.

It's one thing to yab.It's another to physically threaten.

peleson:
U can't say what u do not know! The ruling house of England what do u call them? The same principle of treaty king jaja was using! Have u read King Jaja's account while in exile? U can only be marvelled! Pul him down nigeria syndrome! Ever wonder why our children do not read about thepre colonial concept of of niger delta long b4 ur forefathers met the Europeans! Even lor luggard lived in king jaja's Opobo territory all through his sojourn in Nigeria . Opobo people were so enlighten even before the rest of Nigeria started going to schoo! They r more professionals reason they v the highest number of professors in River State! Very calculative and peace loving and prosperous and educated.u need to visit the kingdom of Opobo where the 1st port in nigeria is located to know.u l still see the prosperity in the culture, architectural buildings and delegations of power.king Jaja was the only king inwhounderstod west Africa who understood English,read and wrote english,spoke portugese and dutch.he had ambassadors in powerful earopean kindoms nd countries to further diplomacy! The Opobo Ibani Ijaw people were the 1st to settle in earope nd USA as free people with stamp recognition s diplomts from Jaja the great king. Read what is on the sculpture I posted. Chief Peterside was one of the Ambassadors of King Jaja in Europe! One of his great grand children dr peterside happens to bethe first optician in Nigeria and another of his son 1st engineer in nigeria. Another of his offspring Atedo peterside chairman ibtc and nother soon to be governor of Rivers State. The chief Epelle built the 1st Anglican church in Nigeria. One of his grand child,the 1st mass communication expert innigeria! Introducing the course in nigeriawUnil 1st in Unilag! 1st director general nigeria ministry of information! Capt. uranta,the. 1st known black to navigate a shipto earope! How then did u think King Jaja went to Earope to make sale and make profit?how then do u think king Jaja send his kids to study in England? How then did he send his diplomats and lawyers to Europe?King jaja had afleet of royal vessels/ships that traded in open waters just like earopean kingdoms! We hd engineers,administrators,capts.lawyers! The kingdom was organise! The European business men had had houses in Opobo town and related with the people as equals ! Visit and blow ur mind and don't rely on secondary data. Till date the Kingdom of Opobo is still pressing the Un to compel the British to pay damages to Opobo kingdom

Mate the only thing I can get from your post is that he was a rich businessman who could afford to send his children abroad to study.



And that the same few privileged people in Jaja's time are the same privileged ones now.

Did I miss anything?

SailorXY:
he's a back up, an experienced one so its a good signing.
not as bad as your Begovic recommendations to be our no. 1

Are you kidding me?

Begovic was no 1 at Stoke and widely regarded as one of the better keepers in the league.

Romero has been a professional backup for the last 3 seasons, and has been without a contract for the last 2 months after being released by Sampdoria.

His appearance at the WC and Copa final was only because he had the forwards to fire his team through.

JayKayMaybachz:
Signed Argentina's no.1 keeper for free to be backup to big Dave....Great signing King Louis !

That's Romero who started only 10 games in the last two seasons...and not due to injury.

Same Romero that could not displace Emilio Viviano?

Great signing King Louis!

GooseBaba:
If you like you done or you cook that one na your own..

Meanwhile, there is something called critical thinking, which you clearly lack. After reading about history do you just accept it without question. So informed opinions can no longer be questioned ba?

King Jaja becomes a hero, when his people says so..not when historians point out his tactics of survival, his ego or personal interest. You read but you don't think.

Mate you really need to stop quoting me out of context.

You keep exposing a lack of intelligence, and comprehension skills.

If at this stage in the discussion, you are contending that Jaja was a hero merely because his 'people' say so, then you are so far back mentally, there is no point trying to drag you along.

I'm done with this.

Elipsis:
I really don't get your argument. This is a man who grew from being a mere slave to a King. He then went ahead to establish his own Kingdom and named it himself. From the biography we just read, 14 out of the 18 houses in Bonny left their homes and followed him.

The guy didn't stop there. He established a successful business empire and controlled trade along the Imo River region. He built schools for his people that were at par with those in England.

He was so powerful that he even lent some of his soldiers to the British to fight the Ashanti people of Ghana. Tales of his deeds reached the Queen herself and she even recognized him personally for it!

Then most importantly, he was still able to stand up to the British government when he felt the existence of his people were threatened.

All these great feats for a mere slave boy! He may not be a hero to you, but to his people, he surely is one.

Read the article again.

Then read my post again.

Then read this article
http://www.jpanafrican.com/docs/vol2no7/2.7_JajaAndNana.pdf

I'm done with this.

GooseBaba:
You lack foresight. This is an open book discussion and you're still failing. Wealth moved out of the country after he was exiled, Are you expecting him to use supernatural power to negotiate a hostile takeover . You need power and leverage to bargain. A leader that already shows great vision for his people. What did the bristish build after they ruled for 80 years..?

Nowadays, a police or soldier dies in the line of duty, he is considered a hero. And a man that defended his vision and lived it, you want to call a greedy businessman.. " smh..

Great foresight for his people?

How?

Where?

Even presented with informed opinions from learned fellows of the field, backed by historical accounts, you continue to spout utter hogwash.

I'm done.

GooseBaba:
Smh, are this people you mentioned representing a people or community..!?
.

That is exactly the point.

At no point in history is it recorded that Jaja of Opobo was representing any other interests other than his own during his tete a tete with the British.

If You can consider Jaja a hero for protecting his narrow interests, then it follows Dangote and Cosmas are also heroes in their own rights

In regards to hitler he remains a hero to his people. Go study why he started annexing other european countries. Simple resources control. Germany did not get her share of world War 1. The German economy was in ruins. Hitler simple wanted his share of the bounty. You're not looking at the big picture. After world War 2, what were europeans sharing.? The african bounty. You are looking at the means he used to make him less a hero. But forgetting that he was trying to collect what was due. Why do you think germany was allowed to flourish after world War 2..? Think man... Follow the money. It's all about resources.

You're veering off into mumbo jumbo territory here now.

The Hitler example was to show you how subjective your criteria for the defining a hero was. This is not a discussion Hitler and/or Nazi Germany, but I have to correct you yet again. The treaty of Versailles was punitive, ergo Germany was paying reparation for it's aggression during the great war which it lost. If Germany lost the war, what bounty was Germany and/or Hitler trying to get?

Mate your knowledge of history, politics, and economics is suspect

The fact that Jaja is celebrated by his people does not make him a hero. He brought immense financial fortitude to his family who continue to rule Opobo today. This hereditary rule of Opobo alone is enough explanation for his deification in those parts.

GooseBaba:
Lmao!!! The issue here is if he was/ a hero... A good business man who was celebrated by his people and upon his death, they demanded for his remains and gave him a kings burial.

That tells you that any PHD thesis on the subject matter does not take away his heroic accomplishment. Till this day, he is remembered for his accomplishment by his people for his heroic endeavor.

You talk about hostile takeover and you still blame Jaja for protecting his interest. You just dey throw words around anyhow..

It seems that, like your friend earlier, you lack comprehension skills.

What Blame did I place anywhere?

I only pointed that Jaja was solely protecting his interests when he squared up to the British, and not protecting the interest of his people.

Was there a hostile takeover? Yes.

Did I give him props for being a business man? Yes.

Was he a nationalist hero? No

GooseBaba:
Lmao!!! The issue here is if he was/ a hero... A good business man who was celebrated by his people and upon his death, they demanded for his remains and have him a kings burial.

Mate Hitler was celebrated by his people so that doesn't mean much.

Being a successful businessman does not make you a hero.

Otherwise Dangote, Cosmas Maduka, and Theophilus Danjuma are positively heroic.

My final submission on this article.

Goosebaba, have a look at this article authored by Kemi Rotimi, (Ph.D. Department of History, Obafemi Awolowo University) and Olukoya Ogen, (Ph.D. Leventis Foundation Visiting Postdoctoral Fellow, Centre of African Studies, School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London).

Not only are the authors very learned in African history, this article appeared in a PAN AFRICAN MAGAZINE

Therefore, it is the humble position of this paper that the wars that Jaja and Nana fought were basically trade wars meant for the protection of their trading monopolies. Hence, their greatest significance lies in their roles as entrepreneurs cum super-merchants and not as proto-nationalists.

For example, they did not hesitate to sign treaties that effectively placed their kingdoms under the British Crown; and second, they mainly kicked against the clauses that granted free access to European traders.

This is the major reason why they deployed military forces which they were used to maintain their trading monopolies in the Niger Delta in defense of their strategic commercial interests against British interlopers.

Yet, in contrast, Jaja and Nana’s contemporaries such as Sultan Attahiru of Sokoto, Oba Ovonramwen of Benin and Awujale Aboki Tunwase of Ijebuland, to mention but a few, fought relentlessly to defend the corporate existence and political sovereignties of their respective kingdoms (Crowder 1968:134-136; Oduwobi 2004:34-36; Ayandele 1992: 21);


Jaja and Nana were not too fastidious about political sovereignty, but were primarily interested in obtaining explicit guarantees for the maintenance of their exclusive trading rights.

And most interestingly in this saga, Jaja and Nana also frustrated and prevented fellow African merchants living in their domains from threatening the trade monopolies which they enjoyed.

http://www.jpanafrican.com/docs/vol2no7/2.7_JajaAndNana.pdf

A40:
More reason why he should be the last person whining about his rivals activities in the transfer market. What he did at the time is tantamount to buying titles and the numbers show he is the Master at it

Jose has always been the underdog trying to break into a closed shop.

That's all his statement implies. Nothing more, Nothing less.

GooseBaba:
*faints*....!!!!! Smh


Slippery slope bro, Colonization Happened... Mind you we are not guessing the future. This already happened. The rich african men of that era leading up to 1914 were merchants not farmers.

Trickle down economy happened, monopoly continued. The well to do african merchant that dealt directly with bristish businessmen set his own price with the locals. Now from one middle man they now have 2 middle men. Whose profit do you think will be shaved..?

Study simple economics....

Mate your arguments are just hilarious.

Jaja signed away Opobo's sovreignty showing that he was not really opposed to a British Political Takeover.

That already rules out your theory that Jaja was some sort of bastion of indigenous rule.

The only thing Jaja is recorded opposing is an action that directly impacted on his finances.

your trickle down economics theory is not supported by the historical facts. Jaja was not an employer of labour. Jaja was not a producer. Jaja was not creating jobs or wealth. Jaja was not an industrialist. If I am wrong, produce some historical evidence to that effect.

Jaja was a wholesaler who forced farmers to sell to him on his terms,before selling that on for a profit.

Stop trying to over intellectualize an issue that only calls for common sense.

Good business man. Not a Hero

standd:
Nihilist whose pictures have you posted biko
The guy eh

Warlord3000, why won't I summon you when I miss you

But that's me in the photo

GooseBaba:
Exactly..!!! You've eyes but you can't see.

What happened after the bristish took over..? Did the farmers benefit from direct access to the British market. Did the bristish not set their own price. Did the bristish let the farmer trade with other countries directly. The end result was still monopoly. From fry pan to fire..

The destructive aspect is that the whiteman now controls the destiny of the so called protectorate. Which has led to the destruction of the independent civilization of King Jaja struggles. There lies his heroism. For he had foresight and he defended it..

What kind of weak argument is this?

Jaja was removed, what suggests to you that the traders of Opobo were worse off?

A40:
Alaye why so salty nau. Numbers don't lie. At least everyone now knows what we all suspected, that Jose is the Ayatollah of spending moolah when it comes to the transfer market. So when he talks about teams trying to buy titles, all of Europe converge to deliver a colossal yinmu

Salty?

At all o.

Nobody doubted that Jose has spent, but numbers without context are just numbers.

It's 2004, You arrived at a club who last won a league title in 1954. You want to compete for the title with a club that has been winning almost every year non-stop since 1992, under a manager that had broken the British transfer records at least thrice in under a decade.

What does A40 do?

It's 2010, You arrived at a club that last won a league title 4 years ago, in a league dominated by the best team and players in the world, managed by one of the best coaches in football at the time.

Your club had not even defeated your nearest rivals in a league game for over 4 years, and these same rivals have won the league 5 times in the last 7 years.

What does A40 do?

Phut:
*pats him on the head* Now, that is much better

How old are you? 12?

Phut:
You are a complete asshole. Talking about comprehension and the like. Try making some sense. Then and only then will people "understand" you. Doofus!

I am sorry.

I am only responsible for what I write. I am not responsible for what you comprehend.

Keep it moving please.

Phut:
So capitalism is a self serving and dangerous ideology, even today? By extension, all capitalists are self serving and dangerous?
If your problem was with capitalism as a whole, you for talk as opposed to singling King Jaja out.

This is why I've asked you to read conscentiously.

Go back to the very first post you quoted, and see if my position on capitalism was not explicitly stated.

It is better to read and understand, before rushing in to argue for a position that was stated 6 posts ago.

GooseBaba:
Stop adding your own version to history...

Look at the "Era" we're discussing. For crying out loud. Foreign power forced down their offer down your throat in guise of protectorate. You ignore that part and worry about monopoly.. Really!!!!!!

Like your friend who keeps quoting me out of context, you keep missing the point.

I am firmly focused on the era. Maybe I should break it down for you so that what is already simple might become apparent.

1. Jaja forced all Palm oil farmers in the opobo region to sell their produce to him alone, leaving him free to dictate the buying price. If a farmer chose not to sell to Jaja, that farmer had no access to the British market.

2. Jaja prevented the British traders from buying from farmers, leaving him free to dictate the selling price. The only way for a British trader to access Opobo oil was through Jaja.

3. He did not resist the offer of a protectorate, but he resisted British attempts to bypass him as a middle man and deal directly with producers.

Good business, but what is heroic about that?

Phut:
I quoted you. And so? What does that have to do with anything?
I quoted you and in response, you acknowledged that he was a great man. That was all I sought to hear. Did I go into any back and forth with you as to whether you should see him as a hero? No I did not. But you felt the need to tell me I was running away?
Fact of the matter is he was a great business man. Nobody can ever take that away from him. As to your subjective feelings as to whether he is a hero, I won't waste my time.

As for the Ana Pepple House owning slaves, all societies in Nigeria owned slaves, which is a far cry from the slavery practiced in the West. Some of these slaves were captives of war and such. "Slaves" by working hard, could rise to the pinnacle, which is exactly what Jaja did. By your argument, all prominent men from back then should be condemned because by virtue of their prominence, there might be some slaves under them. Heck, even regular people had war captives who were classified as slaves. To paraphrase Goosebaba, stop comparing Apples to Oranges.

Like I said, keep it moving.

I stated that Jaja was a businessman not a Hero.

You quoted me to argue that Jaja was a great businessman which is all well and good but I never actually disputed that.

Take your aggression and lack of comprehension elsewhere. Don't really have time for all of that.

GooseBaba:
The hero that built schools to educate his populace while protecting them from destructive influence from foreign religion. Also, by him defending his personal wealth he was also protecting the common interests of the interlands. We all know what happened when the bristish empire took over and colonized us...

Look at our present reality in the 21st century. What he fought against is now what has crippled us. Destructive influence everywhere.. We're like sitting ducks.

Building a school does not make you a hero. There is nothing in the article that suggests that he wasn't running the school as yet another business.

Mate, there is no reasonable argument for a monopoly. You deliberately block your fellow traders from access to the market but claim you're acting in their interest?



Are you even reading what you're writing?

The only thing Jaja fought was free trade in his dominions. Read the article again, that was the one thing he absolutely refused to cede, even after submitting Opobo as a protectorate.

Phut:
king Jaja of Opobo was not a slave trader. That is a lie from the pit of hell.

And as for hostile takeovers, it stil happens today and is perfectly legit in the Western world that taught you about "fair trade" and "regulated economies"

Of course they still happen.

But you don't openly get kidnapped by a rival seeking to buy your business today, do you?

Listen, it seems that comprehension is your problem. The fact that capitalism was a self-serving dangerous ideology 200 years ago, does not make it any less so today.

You keep trying to argue against points that I did not make.

Read conscentiously before responding, or keep it moving.

GooseBaba:
Kindly go and study up on african type slavery versus europeans /transatlantic slavery. Reading up on this article it talks about slaves earning higher recognition than non slaves in regards to merits. So calm down with this your useless "greedy businessman " statement.

You want to hold him up to standards that even today's Europe and America cannot boasts of genuine free trade. Mangoes to mangoes bro, not mangoes to oranges...

Nothing you posted up there invalidates my simple post that Jaja was a greedy businessman and not a hero.

He was a slave who sold slaves.

He was a trader that blocked the access of other traders to the market by monopolising access to the british.

What exactly is heroic about that?

Conversely, what isn't greedy about that?

Phut:
Run where?
I am not going to engage in any useless back and forth with you. In the post I originally quoted, you took great pleasure in highlighting only the "perceived" negatives. An objective person would state the positives as well as any negatives, seeing as no one is perfect. And as to your slave trading claims where is your proof? When did he rise to become King and when was slave trading abolished? Mind you this is a man that did in 1891

Mate, I did not quote you. You quoted me.

You have yet to counter my main submission that Jaja was no hero, but merely a greedy business man, instead you've been challenging me on arguments I never made.

So if you were looking to avoid a 'useless back and forth' perhaps you should have excercised restraint.

Now to answer your question about slavery. If you even read the article with any amount of conscientiousness, you would have seen the political houses consisted of both freemen and slaves. Therefore it is implied in the article that Jaja was still involved in slavery.

Furthermore, even after the British abolished slavery in their domains, Jaja and his fellow Chiefs continued to sell his fellow brethren to the Spanish and Portuguese. They even recieved compensation for the loss of the slave markets! See below.

Jaja was nothing but a cutthroat businessman who got screwed over by greed. Nothing more. Nothing less.

But further change was already taking place that would alter for ever the structure of trade in the Delta economy. Bonny’s ‘open door’ policy meant in effect that while it was thriving on the increasing sales of palm oil fuelled by the new industrial processes being developed in the United Kingdom, it chose at the same time to provide with slaves those nations which had not yet abolished the trade like France, Brazil, Portugal and the United States of America. As a result of a treaty between Spain and Britain, British warships could seize Spanish slave ships north of the equator if carrying slaves or the equipment of slavery like manacles. Under this agreement a warship of the British West Africa squadron seized four Spanish ships in Bonny waters. This was during the minority of the King of Bonny. The Regent ordered the arrest and imprisonment of the British party which was having a parley on shore with some traders and the Spanish slavers for what he saw as unwarranted challenge to the city-state’s sovereignty. When various other ships of the West Africa squadron arrived the Regent ordered the release of the prisoners. The British government eventually paid compensation to Bonny for loss of the slave trade.

Phut:
@ Nihilist: just as long as you acknowledge that he was great, that's all I am interested in

Yeah but I never argued that he wasn't great.

The post you quoted categorically stated that he wasn't a hero.

Unfortunately you had to run when confronted with the simple fact that Jaja was nothing but a greedy businessman.

But this party looks dead na