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Pocahontas is on this thread?

Flickzvill:
is it possible that Nigeria might have been relocated to an area that has a high altitude?

Are you referring to the migration of Nigerians to other climes?

Nlers are obsessed with posters bank accounts, why?

Some Nigerian women typically do this, it's not good.

RiyaGoddess:
Read it again sir if you can and you will get the picture...
Happy new year to me sir

The comment I quoted explains everything you mentioned .

Please reread it.

I'm sure they are.

Are you the same lady who said she wants to move overseas to do hair?

macof:
You just sent some Binis to school with this

You're Yoruba and you dont know omonoba means child or descendants of the Oba (referring to royal lineage possibly from the Yoruba side)? Ie people of the Oba. Omo which translates as Umu in eastoid languages?

Can you explain how Ba means shine.

TAO11:
I am presenting factual information before you not my opinion or anyone else's.

And you're very funny about a lot of things here like me coming prepared, having been practicing, or even not being Yoruba. Lol.

I guess someone found me a new cultural identity ... I can't wait to hear from you, sir, what my latest cultural identity is.

I did not say I had anything to do with your preparations.

I said you came prepared to debate. Nothing to do with me.

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What are the uninspiring structures?

Lagos, 1960s

https://66.media.tumblr.com/ed2ee3e9f709e3bc98af1d49399f974c/tumblr_mgbqr9aSEr1s0i6geo1_1280.jpg

That's nice.

Jaymaestro:
I hope this is not another concocted attention seeking problem. It's interesting how females flock this thread more than males.

Celebrity things.

I think many nl ladies daydream about such. You've got to admit, the lifestyle does appear very glamorous .

@ topic

Well, it's all very interesting.

@ riyagoddess

A man who sleeps around, will always continue to. Unless the Spirit of God convicts him.

Your long post got me confused because I wasnt sure what exactly you were trying to point out.

Was it your friend's beauty? Desirability? Ability to hook a married man?

Everything is summarized by the quoted comment above.

Which version of the n word is considered acceptable to use?

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Tell me if "OMO" (CHILD) is a loanword because its constituent parts has no obvious meaning to you.

What about "OJÚ" (EYE(s)), IMÚ" (NOSE), etc. among uncountable others.

Check the meaning of noun, it's not different in English than it is in Yoruba. Describing body parts is not applicable to your argument because you keep bringing in unrelated words and issues that derail the discussion. It's like jumping everywhere without a solid base.

If you say idi (buttocks) should be an indigenous word as opposed to a loan word, on what basis are you making your claim? Are you saying you dont believe Yorubas can come up with words of their own making in a scientifically acceptable context such as naming body parts?

I did not say every Yoruba word can or should be broken into constituent parts, I said a test to determine the foreign-ness or otherwise of a word can be applied by breaking it into smaller units for analysis.

Do you understand what I am saying? Dont just argue for argument's sake or because you were being hailed by your friends.

Actually think about things.

But, since you seem to be a typical nler, I am not surprised. The arguments always tend to be circular and restricted in scope.

You are welcome to your opinions, it's been nice engaging in this discussion. I see you came prepared to debate, which is a good thing. You might have been practising for a while.

I trust we all learned something. If not, well it's a free world.

I could return to the thread later, dunno. I do suspect you are not Yoruba, but if you insist you are, then I should take you at your word until proven otherwise.

yes, I am tpiar, justaposed ids because I opened a thread with the other one. Sometimes the nairaland server limits topics, rather worrisome but it is what it is.

A meaning of buzzword:

Ambiguous word (often hyphenated) that is repeated over and over to win support for a cause.

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TAO11:
Does the fact that some bigots use the innocent phrase "Yoruba Muslim" (or "Muslim Yoruba" ) for their bigotry alter the fact some Yorubas are Muslims (and others Christian) for a long period of their history??

I'm not sure what you're on about with your response. I am also not sure how my foregoing comment was supposed to be toeing the lines of political and tribal bigots who use the phrase "Yoruba Muslim" (or "Muslim Yoruba" ) for twisted and weird politicking.


My argument is simply that ---- just as with all languages in the world ---- some words ("SONMO" in this case) became accepted as a loanword into the Yoruba lexicon, from other languages ("Arabic" in this case) through the influence of Yorubas who embraced and identify with the Islamic faith whose linguafranca is Arabic..

How is this supposed to be close to anything divisive by any stretch of the imagination

The term "Yoruba muslim" is a nairaland buzzword used by nlers who are recent acquaintances with SW Nigeria. Possibly also an effect of globalization and modern information technology (read power struggle).

By recent acquaintance I mean either fairly recent arrivals or living in the SW but not integrated with the people there.

I've explained why there is a similarity between sonmo and sama in my previous post. I don't consider it a loan word but a common root word. Also, google translate is not to be used as an only research tool.

ETWs:
Your headline is not in tandem with the story.





How do you reconcile the 2 statements above?

op?

I think it's just the Nigerian thing where people imagine what they assume to be true. Or they anticipate it happening and report as if it did.

No, I mean that "SONMO" (which is the actual BASE WORD here) is a relatively recent word because is is a LOANWORD from "SAMA' ".

It's a Yoruba word, not a loan word. Similarities with Arabic means they have the same root, possibly Yorubas (either assimilated or original) brought it along after they left the middle east.

Sonmo is from osan meaning afternoon. Osan mo means day has dawned.

It's like saying Oju ti mo meaning it's morning ie the sky has cleared.

Sonmo also shares similarities with English sun, why do you exclude that?

And "OFURUFU" actually and specifically means "SKY".

Ofurufu is more recent than awo sonmo. When you break it down, it has little meaning hence the association with afefe which means wind or aimless. When you check efulefu in Igbo language, it also shares this resemblance because it means shiftless person.

Awo sonmo implies there is something beyond the visible sky ie something covering something else, hence it's more intense meaning. Ofurufu just means expanse.

It is often found that the usage of "SONMO" for "SKY" is particularly among the Muslim Yorubas.

Awo sonmo is a traditional Yoruba term, perhaps that's what you mean.

Whereas other Yorubas who aren't Muslim tend to lean towards referring to "SKY" as "OFURUFU"

Yorubas use ofurufu interchangeably with awo sonmo (to varying degrees) but awo sonmo is more profound because ofurufu sounds like nothingness or wind (afefe/fluff). It's more general and not as descriptive.

The constant references to "Muslim Yorubas" are a nairaland peculiarity, if you follow the same path that means your knowledge of Yoruba dialectics is mainly based on what you read on this forum.


My opinion.


Yorubas do not divide themselves the way it's done on nairaland.

How many Ifes are there?

Olu317:
The ‘perfection' in this sense is about the accurate meaning of names and words!

Perfection has no place in linguistic analysis (different from interacting in a language with a view to being understood by the speakers).

Context is what you consider (when you have a good understanding of the language). And various languages have varied modes of discourse. Yoruba for example, typically talks at more than one level in interactions, meaning a traditional Yoruba person conversing with you is is in more than one context- the one you think is it and other levels unknown to you.




having said all that, accurate meanings are definitely important in order to reduce ambiguity.

And my reason for this is quite simple and straightforward ---- the Yoruba word "AWOSONMO" (or simply "SONMO" ) is a relatively recent loanword

Awosonmo is ancient Yoruba, ofurufu is recent Yoruba.

And no , it does not appear to be a loan word since it is descriptive (skin or cover of the expanse).

It's like saying oorun (sun) is from Horus. Or osan (afternoon) was derived from the English word sun. Also note oorun/oru meaning sun and darkness, both referring to the condition of the sky. And also included in Y oru ba.

Awo in Yoruba typically applies to ancient secrets eg wizard, skin, cover, conceal, etc in certain contexts.

A word like alubosa could be considered a loan word since you cannot break it into constituent parts, it would have no meaning.

Olu317:
‘Okin' is feminine in Yoruba's lexicon.The name represents peacock identity and birds with hairy tails,which makes them beautiful birds.

"Okin ni baba eiye" means Okin (peacock) is the father, ie king, of all birds.

Therefore Okin is used in a masculine context, it could also be feminine.

Besides, the actual beauty of a peacock is displayed by the male, not the female.

TAO11:
I like this angle. It's eye-opening.

I think I also need your genius insight is neede for the older Edo ROYAL TITLE which came to be scrapped and replaced with "OBA" by Oranmiyan, namely:

"OGISO" (from: "OGIE-ISO" meaning "KING from the SKY" ).

In other words, how can the Edo word "ISO" possibly be interpreted as meaning "SKY" from the lenses of the Yoruba language??

Thanks much!

Thank you, your post was quite brilliant also.

If you check the Yoruba word for sky, it might correlate with the Bini cognate.

Modern Yoruba has sky as ofurufu but an older term possibly is awosanmo (awosonmo). A theoretical match.

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macof:
pawon
You just sent some Binis to school with this

TAO11:
Killing the distortionists among the Binis.

Dont use inciting language with them because they take you up on it.(Anywhere from the midwest to east and southsouth. They are not Yorubas.)

Is there a threat you are responding to?